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Old 06-20-2008, 08:33 AM
Alan Parkington
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Default Surely Mr Rudd can't be serious?

Posted by: Rod Bruem

A move by the Federal Government to introduce a 'code of conduct'
(www.smh.com.au) for political lobbyists in Canberra sounds like a great
reform, but one that is easily dismissed as sheer window dressing.

Mr Rudd is proposing to put more restrictions on exactly how and when
lobbyists influence our elected members of parliament - but what makes it
hard to take seriously is that the Prime Minister and the Canberra press
gallery appears to have turned a blind eye to one of the closest lobbying
relationships happening right before our eyes.

The case in question involves ACT Labor Senator Kate Lundy who for years has
engaged in Senate debates on telecommunications policy without adequately
disclosing the potential conflict of interest created by the business
interests of her husband - David Forman - who just happens to be on the
payroll of the anti-Telstra cartel.

Over the past decade I've been watching Senate committees closely and I've
never seen Senator Lundy declare her relationship, or even abstain from any
debate in which there is a risk that she could be seen to be pushing the
interests of her lobbyist husband.

At times you get the impression that Lundy and Mr Forman plan their pincer
attacks on Telstra over the family breakfast table before taking themselves
up the hill and staging a public re-enactment before the cameras in
Parliament House.

Take an example from a fortnight ago.

On the same day the SingTel CEO was out attacking Telstra and Mr Forman was
releasing a bogus report claiming Telstra would be overcharging customers on
the planned high speed fibre network, Senator Lundy diverted Senate
estimates to ask a series of Dorothy dixer questions in pursuit of her
husband's latest cause.

If you read the exchange on Hansard (P44 - www.aph.gov.au), you'll see
Senator Lundy sought the Senate's 'indulgence' to steer the debate away from
the more pressing issue of petrol prices, so she could waste time engaging
the ACCC's Graeme Samuel on her husband's pet cause.

A week later, Mr Forman used the exchange to conduct another anti-Telstra PR
attack , which some in the media (www.computerworld.com.au) swallowed hook,
line and sinker.

None of the journalists who took the Forman bait seemed at all bothered to
question or even mention his relationship with Senator Lundy.

Similarly, none of the bureaucrats who are meant to uphold the standards of
the Senate ever publicly raise objections when Senator Lundy so blatantly
goes off on one of her anti-Telstra tangents.

As for the Liberal and National Party Senators - they're equally silent. Not
surprising really when you consider former Liberal Senator John Tierney used
the Senate committees to stage an extraordinary attack on Telstra a few
years ago, failing to declare that his wife worked for a charity Telstra was
proposing to cease a sponsorship arrangement with at the time. Once again,
all the 'insiders' including the Prime Minister knew about the Senator's
relationship, but no questions were asked and no disclosures were made or
sought.

I find it disgusting and it certainly makes me wonder about the real health
of our democracy and the real prospect of passing meaningful reforms to
control insidious lobbyists.


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Old 06-20-2008, 09:45 AM
Rod Speed
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Default Re: Surely Mr Rudd can't be serious?

Alan Poxington <wanker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote

> Posted by: Rod Bruem


And you dont even bother to mention where this mindless silly shit was posted.

nowerewanking, wota stunningly impeccible site.

> A move by the Federal Government to introduce a 'code of conduct'
> (www.smh.com.au) for political lobbyists in Canberra sounds like a
> great reform, but one that is easily dismissed as sheer window dressing.


We'll see...

> Mr Rudd is proposing to put more restrictions on exactly how and when lobbyists influence our elected members of
> parliament - but what makes it hard to take seriously is that the Prime Minister and the Canberra press gallery
> appears to have turned a blind eye to one of the closest lobbying relationships happening right before our eyes.


Wota fucking wanker.

> The case in question involves ACT Labor Senator Kate Lundy who for years has engaged in Senate debates on
> telecommunications policy without adequately disclosing the potential conflict of interest
> created by the business interests of her husband - David Forman - who just happens to be on the payroll of the
> anti-Telstra cartel.


Pity the fuckwit journos never managed to work the basics out for themselves.

> Over the past decade I've been watching Senate committees closely and I've never seen Senator Lundy declare her
> relationship, or even
> abstain from any debate in which there is a risk that she could be
> seen to be pushing the interests of her lobbyist husband.


Nothing stopping fuckwit journos from pointing that out.

> At times you get the impression that Lundy and Mr Forman plan their pincer attacks on Telstra over the family
> breakfast table before taking themselves up the hill and staging a public re-enactment before the cameras in
> Parliament House.


Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

> Take an example from a fortnight ago.


> On the same day the SingTel CEO was out attacking Telstra and Mr Forman was releasing a bogus report


Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> claiming Telstra would be overcharging customers on the planned high speed fibre network,


Nothing bogus about that.

> Senator Lundy diverted Senate estimates to ask a series of Dorothy dixer questions in pursuit of her husband's latest
> cause.


Like it or lump it, fuckwit.

> If you read the exchange on Hansard (P44 - www.aph.gov.au), you'll see Senator Lundy sought the Senate's 'indulgence'
> to steer the debate
> away from the more pressing issue of petrol prices, so she could waste time engaging the ACCC's Graeme Samuel on her
> husband's pet cause.


Like it or lump it, fuckwit.

> A week later, Mr Forman used the exchange to conduct another anti-Telstra PR attack ,


Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?

> which some in the media (www.computerworld.com.au) swallowed hook, line and sinker.


Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?

> None of the journalists who took the Forman bait seemed at all bothered to question or even mention his relationship
> with Senator Lundy.


Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?

> Similarly, none of the bureaucrats who are meant to uphold the standards of the Senate


No such animal.

> ever publicly raise objections when Senator Lundy so blatantly goes off on one of her anti-Telstra tangents.


No shinybum ever gets to do anything like that, fuckwit.

> As for the Liberal and National Party Senators - they're equally silent.


They're still desperately licking their wounds, fuckwit.

> Not surprising really when you consider former Liberal Senator John Tierney


Who ?

> used the Senate committees to stage an extraordinary attack on Telstra a few years ago,


Like it or lump it, fuckwit.

> failing to declare that his wife worked for a charity Telstra was proposing to cease a sponsorship arrangement with at
> the time.


Like it or lump it, fuckwit.

> Once again, all the 'insiders' including the Prime Minister knew about the Senator's relationship, but no questions
> were asked and no disclosures were made or sought.


Like it or lump it, fuckwit.

> I find it disgusting


You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

> and it certainly makes me wonder about the real health of our democracy and the real prospect of passing meaningful
> reforms to control insidious lobbyists.


Then there's the bare faced lying of fuckwits like you...



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Old 06-20-2008, 03:01 PM
Horry
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Default Re: Surely Mr Rudd can't be serious?

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:45:26 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> Alan Poxington <wanker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote
>
>> Posted by: Rod Bruem

>
> And you dont even bother to mention where this mindless silly shit was posted.
>
> nowerewanking, wota stunningly impeccible site.
>
>> A move by the Federal Government to introduce a 'code of conduct'
>> (www.smh.com.au) for political lobbyists in Canberra sounds like a
>> great reform, but one that is easily dismissed as sheer window dressing.

>
> We'll see...
>
>> Mr Rudd is proposing to put more restrictions on exactly how and when lobbyists influence our elected members of
>> parliament - but what makes it hard to take seriously is that the Prime Minister and the Canberra press gallery
>> appears to have turned a blind eye to one of the closest lobbying relationships happening right before our eyes.

>
> Wota fucking wanker.
>
>> The case in question involves ACT Labor Senator Kate Lundy who for years has engaged in Senate debates on
>> telecommunications policy without adequately disclosing the potential conflict of interest
>> created by the business interests of her husband - David Forman - who just happens to be on the payroll of the
>> anti-Telstra cartel.

>
> Pity the fuckwit journos never managed to work the basics out for themselves.
>
>> Over the past decade I've been watching Senate committees closely and I've never seen Senator Lundy declare her
>> relationship, or even
>> abstain from any debate in which there is a risk that she could be
>> seen to be pushing the interests of her lobbyist husband.

>
> Nothing stopping fuckwit journos from pointing that out.
>
>> At times you get the impression that Lundy and Mr Forman plan their pincer attacks on Telstra over the family
>> breakfast table before taking themselves up the hill and staging a public re-enactment before the cameras in
>> Parliament House.

>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
>> Take an example from a fortnight ago.

>
>> On the same day the SingTel CEO was out attacking Telstra and Mr Forman was releasing a bogus report

>
> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
>
>> claiming Telstra would be overcharging customers on the planned high speed fibre network,

>
> Nothing bogus about that.
>
>> Senator Lundy diverted Senate estimates to ask a series of Dorothy dixer questions in pursuit of her husband's latest
>> cause.

>
> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.


If Lundy is using the time of a Senate committee to further her husband's
business interests, I'd like, as a voter, to be made aware of it.


>> If you read the exchange on Hansard (P44 - www.aph.gov.au), you'll see Senator Lundy sought the Senate's 'indulgence'
>> to steer the debate
>> away from the more pressing issue of petrol prices, so she could waste time engaging the ACCC's Graeme Samuel on her
>> husband's pet cause.

>
> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.
>
>> A week later, Mr Forman used the exchange to conduct another anti-Telstra PR attack ,

>
> Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?


Telstra's wife is a senator?


>> which some in the media (www.computerworld.com.au) swallowed hook, line and sinker.

>
> Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?


Never ever does what? Swallows things hook, line and sinker?


>> None of the journalists who took the Forman bait seemed at all bothered to question or even mention his relationship
>> with Senator Lundy.

>
> Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?


No, it doesn't. Telstra doesn't have a marital relationship with a senator.


>> Similarly, none of the bureaucrats who are meant to uphold the standards of the Senate

>
> No such animal.
>
>> ever publicly raise objections when Senator Lundy so blatantly goes off on one of her anti-Telstra tangents.

>
> No shinybum ever gets to do anything like that, fuckwit.
>
>> As for the Liberal and National Party Senators - they're equally silent.

>
> They're still desperately licking their wounds, fuckwit.
>
>> Not surprising really when you consider former Liberal Senator John Tierney

>
> Who ?
>
>> used the Senate committees to stage an extraordinary attack on Telstra a few years ago,

>
> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.
>
>> failing to declare that his wife worked for a charity Telstra was proposing to cease a sponsorship arrangement with at
>> the time.

>
> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.
>
>> Once again, all the 'insiders' including the Prime Minister knew about the Senator's relationship, but no questions
>> were asked and no disclosures were made or sought.


Apparently, NowWeAreTalking is also an 'insider', because it knows about
the former senator's relationship.

You can't avoid this sort of thing, but it commercial/charitable
interests of politicians and their families ought to be declared on a
publicly-available register.

But it's not the media's job to publicize that register (unless it
wants to).



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Old 06-20-2008, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: Surely Mr Rudd can't be serious?

Horry <horacewachope+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Alan Poxington <wanker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote


>>> Posted by: Rod Bruem


>> And you dont even bother to mention where this mindless silly shit was posted.


>> nowerewanking, wota stunningly impeccible site.


>>> A move by the Federal Government to introduce a 'code of conduct'
>>> (www.smh.com.au) for political lobbyists in Canberra sounds like a
>>> great reform, but one that is easily dismissed as sheer window dressing.


>> We'll see...


>>> Mr Rudd is proposing to put more restrictions on exactly how and
>>> when lobbyists influence our elected members of parliament - but
>>> what makes it hard to take seriously is that the Prime Minister and
>>> the Canberra press gallery appears to have turned a blind eye to
>>> one of the closest lobbying relationships happening right before
>>> our eyes.


>> Wota fucking wanker.


>>> The case in question involves ACT Labor Senator Kate Lundy who for
>>> years has engaged in Senate debates on telecommunications policy
>>> without adequately disclosing the potential conflict of interest
>>> created by the business interests of her husband - David Forman -
>>> who just happens to be on the payroll of the anti-Telstra cartel.


>> Pity the fuckwit journos never managed to work the basics out for themselves.


>>> Over the past decade I've been watching Senate committees closely
>>> and I've never seen Senator Lundy declare her relationship, or even
>>> abstain from any debate in which there is a risk that she could be
>>> seen to be pushing the interests of her lobbyist husband.


>> Nothing stopping fuckwit journos from pointing that out.


>>> At times you get the impression that Lundy and Mr Forman plan their
>>> pincer attacks on Telstra over the family breakfast table before
>>> taking themselves up the hill and staging a public re-enactment
>>> before the cameras in Parliament House.


>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.


>>> Take an example from a fortnight ago.


>>> On the same day the SingTel CEO was out attacking Telstra and Mr
>>> Forman was releasing a bogus report


>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.


>>> claiming Telstra would be overcharging customers on the planned
>>> high speed fibre network,


>> Nothing bogus about that.


>>> Senator Lundy diverted Senate estimates to ask a series of
>>> Dorothy dixer questions in pursuit of her husband's latest cause.


>> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.


> If Lundy is using the time of a Senate committee to further her husband's
> business interests, I'd like, as a voter, to be made aware of it.


Sure, and that's what the journal of record newspapers should be doing.

>>> If you read the exchange on Hansard (P44 - www.aph.gov.au), you'll
>>> see Senator Lundy sought the Senate's 'indulgence' to steer the debate
>>> away from the more pressing issue of petrol prices, so she could waste
>>> time engaging the ACCC's Graeme Samuel on her husband's pet cause.


>> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.


>>> A week later, Mr Forman used the exchange to conduct another anti-Telstra PR attack ,


>> Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?


> Telstra's wife is a senator?


Plenty of Telstra shills engage in anti Optarse PR attacks, stupid.

>>> which some in the media (www.computerworld.com.au) swallowed hook, line and sinker.


>> Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?


> Never ever does what? Swallows things hook, line and sinker?


Gets some fuckwit journo to swallow their shit hook line and sinker, stupid.

>>> None of the journalists who took the Forman bait seemed at all bothered
>>> to question or even mention his relationship with Senator Lundy.


>> Corse Telstra never ever does anything like that, eh ?


> No, it doesn't.


Yes it does.

> Telstra doesn't have a marital relationship with a senator.


That bit was about taking the bait and not bothering
to question the associations of the bait troller, stupid.

>>> Similarly, none of the bureaucrats who are meant to uphold the standards of the Senate


>> No such animal.


>>> ever publicly raise objections when Senator Lundy so
>>> blatantly goes off on one of her anti-Telstra tangents.


>> No shinybum ever gets to do anything like that, fuckwit.


>>> As for the Liberal and National Party Senators - they're equally silent.


>> They're still desperately licking their wounds, fuckwit.


>>> Not surprising really when you consider former Liberal Senator John Tierney


>> Who ?


>>> used the Senate committees to stage an extraordinary attack on Telstra a few years ago,


>> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.


>>> failing to declare that his wife worked for a charity Telstra was
>>> proposing to cease a sponsorship arrangement with at the time.


>> Like it or lump it, fuckwit.


>>> Once again, all the 'insiders' including the Prime Minister
>>> knew about the Senator's relationship, but no questions
>>> were asked and no disclosures were made or sought.


> Apparently, NowWeAreTalking is also an 'insider',
> because it knows about the former senator's relationship.


Thats been well known for a hell of a long time.

> You can't avoid this sort of thing, but it commercial/charitable
> interests of politicians and their families ought to be declared
> on a publicly-available register.


Nothing to stop any journo from pointing it out.

> But it's not the media's job to publicize that register (unless it wants to).


It is the media's job to point out stuff like that tho.



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