"Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>> doesnt,
>> than the reverse.
>
> Clearly, then, someone has got their 98 and 99 percents mixed up
> somewhere.
> Perhaps whoever is responsible for the PR should have a chat to whoever is
> responsible for the tech side of things. Hopefully then, they can get
> their
> stories straight. But right now, I can tell you that in quite a few places
> that
> I've been since getting the NextG phone, its coverage isn't as good as
> when I
> had my CDMA phone, starting with areas in NE Victoria, some places near
> where I
> live, one or two spots on the 90 Mile Beach (SE Victoria coastline), and
> Phillip
> Island. Cowes to be precise.
>
>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq km,
>> CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>
> I only made reference to it because some spots that we go bush, we could
> get an
> AMPS signal, but GSM, CDMA and now NextG is still non-existant.
>
> So, for those areas that had good AMPS coverage, chances are that CMDA or
> NextG
> won't have been made as good.
Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the Government,
all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.
If one doesn't report it, one has no business complaining about it.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:25:34 GMT mattic may have written:
> > Same for CDMA, really. So what if it's "aging". The new features
> > that NextG has to offer won't be used by most people anyway
>
> I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
> That's now up to a million a month.
> I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
> That's now up to a million a month.
How many of these calls are once off ones? You know, people who try it out for
the novelty factor? Of course, I'd be tipping that most of these calls will be
from teenagers to teenagers.
Anyway, where did you get these figures from?
> > Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a crappy
> > mobile phone display is like pushing shit uphill...
>
> You're doing it wrong.
How can I be "doing it wrong"? I open Internet Explorer. I enter a URL. It
navigates to that URL. It displays a webpage, one that's meant to be displayed
on a normal computer monitor, in a fucked up manner.
If there is another way of viewing web pages so that they're not fucked up,
perhaps you could enlighten us.
Not to mention that despite the claims by Telstra and its apologists that it's
"fast", it's slow loading. And I'm talking from experience. First using a
Samsung A501 and now a Palm Treo 750. I've also played with a mate's Samsung
Blackjack and another's Motorola Vxx (can't remember the model number but it's
NextG).
Now, if the cost of accessing data services was more reasonable, I'd probably
put up with the substandard service. But as it's hideously expensive, I don't
bother using said data services any more.
The Treo is used primarily as a PDA and as a basic phone.
--
A bachelor is someone who doesn't make the same mistake once..
> http://www.telstra.com/coveragefeedback
>
> Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the Government,
> all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.
I've reported poor coverage around the Corryong district (NE Vic). It had a
marginal CDMA service, NextG is non-existant.
So far, 9 months later, coverage hasn't improved. I'll be up there in Feb. Being
post-CDMA switchoff it'll be interesting to see how it is performing, then.
>>>>>>> It aint closed in Jan, stupid.
>
>>>>>> sure is lovey, it closes on 28 jan,
>
>>>>> Probably - Not definitely though.
>
>>>> Its definately unless the Govt changes its mind
>
>>> The govt has already done that, and decided that the govt gets to
>>> set that date, not telstra, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
>
>> The Govt has not changed the date.
>
> Its decided that the govt gets to set that date, not
> telstra, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
Well, Roddles, either the Govt have changed the date or they havent.
And they havent
>> I have not seen anything from the Govt that says, "CDMA will not close on
>> 28/1/8 - it will close on some other day"
>
> Govts dont change license conditions without a reason, you stupid dunny
> cleaning fuckwit child.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>>> Michael wrote...
>>>
>>>>> There would have to be provisions
>>>>> under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer
>>>>> such "incentives", anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so
>>>> they arent
>>>> forced to offer you anything
>>>
>>> ETC?
>>
>> Early termination charge; any fees payable due to you or Telstra
>> terminating your contract.
>>
>> For example, you connect to a new CDMA contract for two years on
>> 1/7/6. But network closes 28/1/8, so the contract is terminated and
>> ETCs are applied to the service.
>>
>> You are not eligible to pay those ETCs because Telstra chose to close
>> the network, not you
>>
>>> Anyway, that Telstra owes the customer nothing, I doubt is in
>>> dispute. I think
>>> that what people are disputing is that Telstra is offering
>>> "incentives" to move
>>> to NextG, or at least, off CDMA.
>>>
>>> It appears that it is making these incentives sound like some sort of
>>> reward or
>>> perhaps compensation. Waiving a termination fee is no biggy,
>>> particularly if
>>> there is 3 months to go and the bulk of most CDMA contracts out there
>>> would be
>>> nearly expired, anyway.
>>>
>>> What would be a true incentive is if Telstra offered discounts on
>>> rental plans,
>>> bundled calls at reduced prices for X months or whatever. However I'm
>>> unaware of
>>> any such offers. Not that it matters to me, given that I moved over
>>> to NG last
>>> year after my CDMA contract expired.
>>>
>>> Got a flyer in the paper. Telstra advert on NextG and how its
>>> coverage is better
>>> and bigger than CDMA. Thing is, I've yet to see this. Lots of place
>>> where CDMA
>>> was better than NG. Some places have yet to get back to the level of
>>> coverage
>>> that analog used to offer.
>>
>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>> doesnt, than the reverse.
>>
>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq
>> km, CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>>
>> There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>> technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>> is important.
>
> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>
> Legally telstra has to continue to be able to provide them with a service,
> and if they cant do that, they are legally entitled to a full refund.
A refund of what?
If you are under contract for your handset - your ETC is waived
They wont charge you network access past 28 Jan, so, I ask again, what is
there to refund?
>
>
"Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote...
>
>> > There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>> > technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>> > is important.
>>
>> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
>> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>
> Dunno what that doublespeak of Michael's is about but as for your comment,
> Telstra on 1st November, switched off the CDMA network. The locals weren't
??? What are you talking about?
CDMA hasnt been closed anywhere
> One guy I know said that NextG coverage up there is woeful.
>
> Oh, Dargo is a small farming community in NE Gippsland, heading into the
> high
> country. Mt Hotham is probably one of the closer landmarks. Ditto for
> Wonnangatta Valley. It's a popular place for offroaders to visit.
It's a boil on the bum of Victoria. If you are economically viable, you will
be covered.
>
"Core2Duo" <Core2Duo@theinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:nuj4j35cqrrk5rk1mq824oflstpose823c@martz_57.c om...
>> Rod Speed wrote...
>>
>>> > There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>>> > technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>>> > is important.
>>>
>>> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
>>> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>>
>> Dunno what that doublespeak of Michael's is about but as for your
>> comment,
>> Telstra on 1st November, switched off the CDMA network. The locals
>> weren't
>> informed of this. When Telstra was contacted by one or two of the locals
>> they
>> were told that NextG was in operation.
>>
>> One guy I know said that NextG coverage up there is woeful.
>>
>> Oh, Dargo is a small farming community in NE Gippsland, heading into the
>> high
>> country. Mt Hotham is probably one of the closer landmarks. Ditto for
>> Wonnangatta Valley. It's a popular place for offroaders to visit.
>>
>
>
> "Telstra was contacted by one or two of the locals they were told that
> NextG was in operation"
> Tough is you can't receive the signal though. Maybe semaphore will help.
>
> I doubt if the 'apologist' Michael can do anything about the situation.
If they had CDMA before, and CDMA is not yet closed down, then they have a
fault. Just raise a fault and the base will be fixed.
>
>
"Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only covers
>> 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>> doesnt,
>> than the reverse.
>
> Clearly, then, someone has got their 98 and 99 percents mixed up
> somewhere.
Nope, you have
> Perhaps whoever is responsible for the PR should have a chat to whoever is
> responsible for the tech side of things. Hopefully then, they can get
> their
> stories straight. But right now, I can tell you that in quite a few places
> that
> I've been since getting the NextG phone, its coverage isn't as good as
> when I
> had my CDMA phone, starting with areas in NE Victoria, some places near
> where I
> live, one or two spots on the 90 Mile Beach (SE Victoria coastline), and
> Phillip
> Island. Cowes to be precise.
Great, 4 or 5 places. Have you sampled 1000 places across Australia?
Clearly not, so you get no say to refute CDMA's 98.n% population coverage vs
NextG's 99.n% population coverage
>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m sq km,
>> CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>
> I only made reference to it because some spots that we go bush, we could
> get an
> AMPS signal, but GSM, CDMA and now NextG is still non-existant.
Irrelevant, only the aggregate counts
> So, for those areas that had good AMPS coverage, chances are that CMDA or
> NextG
> won't have been made as good.
Clearly wrong, given the 0.7m sq km AMPS coverage vs the 1.9m sq km NextG
coverage
>
"Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> mattic wrote...
>
>
>> http://www.telstra.com/coveragefeedback
>>
>> Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the Government,
>> all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.
>
> I've reported poor coverage around the Corryong district (NE Vic). It had
> a
> marginal CDMA service, NextG is non-existant.
And from the CDMA coverage map, was their even CLAIMED coverage?
"mattic" <this@wontwork.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Michael wrote...
>>
>>> If CDMA is an aging relic I wonder what their GSM network is?
>>
>> It's a stable, if age proven system that tends to provoke the adage, "if
>> it
>> ain't broke, then don't fix it."
>>
>> Same for CDMA, really. So what if it's "aging". The new features that
>> NextG has
>> to offer won't be used by most people anyway
>
> I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
> That's now up to a million a month.
Still a complete wank. I've now got a NextG phone and I bought a '3' phone
in the month '3' launched.
Made precisely 1 video call on each phone - what a wank
Do you have any idea how many VOICE calls Telstra processes on a day -
compare that to video calls
>> Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a crappy
>> mobile phone display is like pushing shit uphill...
>
> You're doing it wrong.
> Not to mention that despite the claims by Telstra and its apologists that
> it's
> "fast", it's slow loading. And I'm talking from experience. First using a
> Samsung A501 and now a Palm Treo 750. I've also played with a mate's
> Samsung
> Blackjack and another's Motorola Vxx (can't remember the model number but
> it's
> NextG).
Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5p5158Fpo1l2U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>>>> Michael wrote...
>>>>
>>>>>> There would have to be provisions
>>>>>> under the Trade Practices Act that would force Telstra to offer
>>>>>> such "incentives", anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from the issue of ETC waiving, Telstra owe you NOTHING, so
>>>>> they arent
>>>>> forced to offer you anything
>>>>
>>>> ETC?
>>>
>>> Early termination charge; any fees payable due to you or Telstra
>>> terminating your contract.
>>>
>>> For example, you connect to a new CDMA contract for two years on
>>> 1/7/6. But network closes 28/1/8, so the contract is terminated and
>>> ETCs are applied to the service.
>>>
>>> You are not eligible to pay those ETCs because Telstra chose to
>>> close the network, not you
>>>
>>>> Anyway, that Telstra owes the customer nothing, I doubt is in
>>>> dispute. I think
>>>> that what people are disputing is that Telstra is offering
>>>> "incentives" to move
>>>> to NextG, or at least, off CDMA.
>>>>
>>>> It appears that it is making these incentives sound like some sort
>>>> of reward or
>>>> perhaps compensation. Waiving a termination fee is no biggy,
>>>> particularly if
>>>> there is 3 months to go and the bulk of most CDMA contracts out
>>>> there would be
>>>> nearly expired, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> What would be a true incentive is if Telstra offered discounts on
>>>> rental plans,
>>>> bundled calls at reduced prices for X months or whatever. However
>>>> I'm unaware of
>>>> any such offers. Not that it matters to me, given that I moved over
>>>> to NG last
>>>> year after my CDMA contract expired.
>>>>
>>>> Got a flyer in the paper. Telstra advert on NextG and how its
>>>> coverage is better
>>>> and bigger than CDMA. Thing is, I've yet to see this. Lots of place
>>>> where CDMA
>>>> was better than NG. Some places have yet to get back to the level
>>>> of coverage
>>>> that analog used to offer.
>>>
>>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only
>>> covers 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>>> doesnt, than the reverse.
>>>
>>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m
>>> sq km, CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>>>
>>> There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>>> technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>>> is important.
>>
>> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
>> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>>
>> Legally telstra has to continue to be able to provide them with a
>> service, and if they cant do that, they are legally entitled to a
>> full refund.
> A refund of what?
> If you are under contract for your handset - your ETC is waived
Pity about what you paid on the contract up till that time, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
> They wont charge you network access past 28 Jan, so, I ask again, what is there to refund?
What you paid on the contract up till that time, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:jleti3d1gogjhs0qigr1b4r19h6d8ggv7j@martz_57.c om...
>> Michael wrote...
>>
>>> Given that NextG covers 99% of the Aus population and CDMA only
>>> covers 98.8%, clearly there are more locations where NextG works, and CDMA
>>> doesnt,
>>> than the reverse.
>>
>> Clearly, then, someone has got their 98 and 99 percents mixed up
>> somewhere.
>
> Nope, you have
>
>> Perhaps whoever is responsible for the PR should have a chat to
>> whoever is responsible for the tech side of things. Hopefully then,
>> they can get their
>> stories straight. But right now, I can tell you that in quite a few
>> places that
>> I've been since getting the NextG phone, its coverage isn't as good
>> as when I
>> had my CDMA phone, starting with areas in NE Victoria, some places
>> near where I
>> live, one or two spots on the 90 Mile Beach (SE Victoria coastline),
>> and Phillip
>> Island. Cowes to be precise.
>
> Great, 4 or 5 places. Have you sampled 1000 places across Australia?
> Clearly not, so you get no say to refute CDMA's 98.n% population
> coverage vs NextG's 99.n% population coverage
>
>>> Your point about analog is irrelevant, AMPS only ever covered 0.6m
>>> sq km, CDMA covered 1.6m sq km, and NextG covers 1.9-2.0m sq km
>>
>> I only made reference to it because some spots that we go bush, we
>> could get an
>> AMPS signal, but GSM, CDMA and now NextG is still non-existant.
>
> Irrelevant, only the aggregate counts
Wrong, as always.
>> So, for those areas that had good AMPS coverage, chances are that CMDA or NextG won't have been made as good.
> Clearly wrong,
Nope.
> given the 0.7m sq km AMPS coverage vs the 1.9m sq km NextG coverage
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:nuj4j35cqrrk5rk1mq824oflstpose823c@martz_57.c om...
>> Rod Speed wrote...
>>
>>> > There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>>> > technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>>> > is important.
>>>
>>> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
>>> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>>
>> Dunno what that doublespeak of Michael's is about but as for your
>> comment,
>> Telstra on 1st November, switched off the CDMA network. The locals
>> weren't
>
> ??? What are you talking about?
>
> CDMA hasnt been closed anywhere
>
>> One guy I know said that NextG coverage up there is woeful.
>>
>> Oh, Dargo is a small farming community in NE Gippsland, heading into the
>> high
>> country. Mt Hotham is probably one of the closer landmarks. Ditto for
>> Wonnangatta Valley. It's a popular place for offroaders to visit.
>
> It's a boil on the bum of Victoria. If you are economically viable, you
> will be covered.
>>
>
>
"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> mattic wrote...
>>
>>
>>> http://www.telstra.com/coveragefeedback
>>>
>>> Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the
>>> Government,
>>> all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.
>>
>> I've reported poor coverage around the Corryong district (NE Vic). It had
>> a
>> marginal CDMA service, NextG is non-existant.
>
> And from the CDMA coverage map, was their even CLAIMED coverage?
>
> Stupid cocky.
>
>
Core2Duo <Core2Duo@theinternet.com> wrote:
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jIP%i.14151$CN4.7965@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:7p0nj3t22q10hv0656kc24e6kg2h5j5j22@martz_57.c om...
>>> mattic wrote...
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.telstra.com/coveragefeedback
>>>>
>>>> Report it here. With equivilence being a major issue with the
>>>> Government,
>>>> all feedback is being monitored and acted upon.
>>>
>>> I've reported poor coverage around the Corryong district (NE Vic).
>>> It had a
>>> marginal CDMA service, NextG is non-existant.
>>
>> And from the CDMA coverage map, was their even CLAIMED coverage?
>>
>> Stupid cocky.
>>
>>
>
> Loser
> > Dunno what that doublespeak of Michael's is about but as for your comment,
> > Telstra on 1st November, switched off the CDMA network. The locals weren't
>
> ??? What are you talking about?
>
> CDMA hasnt been closed anywhere
To quote others when they're talking about you - bullshit.
CDMA was switched off in Dargo on 1st November. The locals are saying that no
warning was given. And that NextG coverage, for those who have the phones for
it, isn't as good.
> Great, 4 or 5 places. Have you sampled 1000 places across Australia?
> Clearly not, so you get no say to refute CDMA's 98.n% population coverage vs
> NextG's 99.n% population coverage
When it comes to my personal experience over a wide range of Victoria, from its
NE to its south and eastern boundaries, and seeing that existing CDMA is or was
superior to the new NextG coverage, then yeah, I do get a say.
And there's fuck all that you can do about it. You can either believe me,
disbelieve me, stamp your foot, as you tend to do, metaphorically or do what Rod
says about dead bears...
> Clearly wrong, given the 0.7m sq km AMPS coverage vs the 1.9m sq km NextG
> coverage
That only applies if the same coverage is in effect. ie. if they install the
required number of cells in order to match or better the coverage that AMPS or
CDMA gave.
If, in the past, one used to get say AMPS in a region, but in recent years,
neither CDMA nor NextG has managed to match that original level of service, then
Telstra and its apologists can't claim to say that NextG is superior, not
without either lying, or not knowing what's really happening out there.
> >> Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a crappy
> >> mobile phone display is like pushing shit uphill...
> >
> > You're doing it wrong.
>
> agree
Agree all you want. Doesn't make it true, what either of you say. Mobile
internet's a wank, trying to view web pages that were designed for viewing on
desktop or laptop screens.
Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote
> Michael wrote...
>>>> Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages
>>>> on a crappy mobile phone display is like pushing shit uphill...
>>> You're doing it wrong.
>> agree
> Agree all you want. Doesn't make it true, what either of you say.
> Mobile internet's a wank, trying to view web pages that were
> designed for viewing on desktop or laptop screens.
Can be handy when you rock up at some place where you
thought you knew where some place was and it turns out
that you were remembering it wrong and you need to use
google maps etc to find out where it actually is etc.
Online will always be more up to date than the GPS for example.
I find it handy to be able to use my home system when out
of the house, like when I want to check the model number
of the washing machine when buying a part for it etc.
A properly designed system can use standard web pages fine.
"Paul Day" <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:25:34 GMT mattic may have written:
>> > Same for CDMA, really. So what if it's "aging". The new features
>> > that NextG has to offer won't be used by most people anyway
>>
>> I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
>> That's now up to a million a month.
>
> versus how many voice-calls in the same period/s?
>
Not sure, Paul, considerably more, for certain. But a year ago, there wasn't
even a ratio.
"Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> mattic wrote...
>
>> I don't buy that. Over a million video calls were made in the first year.
>> That's now up to a million a month.
>
> How many of these calls are once off ones? You know, people who try it out
> for
> the novelty factor? Of course, I'd be tipping that most of these calls
> will be
> from teenagers to teenagers.
>
> Anyway, where did you get these figures from?
>
>> > Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a
>> > crappy
>> > mobile phone display is like pushing shit uphill...
>>
>> You're doing it wrong.
>
> How can I be "doing it wrong"? I open Internet Explorer. I enter a URL. It
> navigates to that URL. It displays a webpage, one that's meant to be
> displayed
> on a normal computer monitor, in a fucked up manner.
>
> If there is another way of viewing web pages so that they're not fucked
> up,
> perhaps you could enlighten us.
There's no other way of doing that mechanical task, no. But think outside
the box and you'll discover a world of web content specifically made for
mobile. Most of the ones I know are straight off the Mobile BigPond
homepage, (Qantas, News, V8s etc) but there are plenty of companies and
websites who offer a made for mobile site.
Don't confuse that with "WAP-Enabled" which invariably means they've
stripped everything out of it so it loads fast.
"Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote...
>
>> >> Too expensive, too slow and trying to look at internet pages on a
>> >> crappy
>> >> mobile phone display is like pushing shit uphill...
>> >
>> > You're doing it wrong.
>>
>> agree
>
> Agree all you want. Doesn't make it true, what either of you say. Mobile
> internet's a wank, trying to view web pages that were designed for viewing
> on
> desktop or laptop screens.
> I find it handy to be able to use my home system when out
> of the house, like when I want to check the model number
> of the washing machine when buying a part for it etc.
How do you do that?
> A properly designed system can use standard web pages fine.
The main webpages that I had loaded as favorites in the two NextG phones that
I've owned to date didn't look that flash. Plus they were slow as treacle to
load. The Age website, BoM weather radar, BoM weather observations, my webmail
and my netbank all look like the pages are stuffed and are slow to load.
And despite what these other guys have said, I can't accept that I've "done it
wrong". How can you do something like that "wrong"?
Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> I find it handy to be able to use my home system when out
>> of the house, like when I want to check the model number
>> of the washing machine when buying a part for it etc.
> How do you do that?
I keep all that stuff in a proper database. Completely trivial
to allow online access to that from a net capable phone.
>> A properly designed system can use standard web pages fine.
> The main webpages that I had loaded as favorites in the two
> NextG phones that I've owned to date didn't look that flash.
Thats always been the real problem with NextG, your choice of
handsets is so dramatically limited by the frequency they chose
to use that you cant choose the handset on functionality properly.
> Plus they were slow as treacle to load.
Thats been fixed. Its now good enough for a broadband
replacement, albeit at a significantly higher price than DSL.
> The Age website, BoM weather radar, BoM weather observations,
> my webmail and my netbank all look like the pages are stuffed
They dont on a properly designed mobile phone.
> and are slow to load.
Thats been fixed and doesnt matter much for
the convenience of mobile access anyway.
> And despite what these other guys have said, I can't accept that
> I've "done it wrong". How can you do something like that "wrong"?
By not using a mobile phone that has a properly designed
browser that can handle standard web pages fine.
>>>> There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>>>> technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>>>> is important.
>>>
>>> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
>>> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>>>
>>> Legally telstra has to continue to be able to provide them with a
>>> service, and if they cant do that, they are legally entitled to a
>>> full refund.
>
>> A refund of what?
>> If you are under contract for your handset - your ETC is waived
>
> Pity about what you paid on the contract up till that time, you stupid
> dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
So you buy a handset on MRO for $240 over 24 mths (to make the numbers
easy).
The network exists for 23 months, and then they close it.
They waive the remaining $10 MRO charge as required by law
How is that unfair???
>> They wont charge you network access past 28 Jan, so, I ask again, what is
>> there to refund?
>
> What you paid on the contract up till that time, you stupid dunny cleaning
> fuckwit child.
"Core2Duo" <Core2Duo@theinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>>> Rod Speed wrote...
>>>
>>>> > There are places in Aus where you can show that any particular
>>>> > technology works where any other does not. The aggregate is all that
>>>> > is important.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong when the cdma system is being turned off and telstra never
>>>> told those who signed up for it that it was going to be turned off.
>>>
>>> Dunno what that doublespeak of Michael's is about but as for your
>>> comment,
>>> Telstra on 1st November, switched off the CDMA network. The locals
>>> weren't
>>
>> ??? What are you talking about?
>>
>> CDMA hasnt been closed anywhere
>>
>>> One guy I know said that NextG coverage up there is woeful.
>>>
>>> Oh, Dargo is a small farming community in NE Gippsland, heading into the
>>> high
>>> country. Mt Hotham is probably one of the closer landmarks. Ditto for
>>> Wonnangatta Valley. It's a popular place for offroaders to visit.
>>
>> It's a boil on the bum of Victoria. If you are economically viable, you
>> will be covered.
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Loser
>
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