I just had a browse of the Telstra iPhone plans. It seems that there is nothing
new there. Usual plans with a browsing pack tacked on.
How far would 100 megs go on one of these phones, do you reckon?
As an article in the Green Guide suggested yesterday, it apparently uses data in
the background and the data component supposedly can't be switched off. In the
US this wasn't a problem as AT&T had unlimited data as a part of the contract.
But with Telstra or indeed, any of the other carriers, this isn't the case.
And these poor slobs, if they're discovering megadollar excess data charges in a
month's time will have another 23 months of it...
> I just had a browse of the Telstra iPhone plans. It seems that there
> is nothing new there. Usual plans with a browsing pack tacked on.
> How far would 100 megs go on one of these phones, do you reckon?
Obviously depends on what you do on it.
You'd burn it up a lot faster if you use google maps in satellite
mode than you would if you stuck with simple text sites etc.
> As an article in the Green Guide suggested yesterday, it apparently
> uses data in the background and the data component supposedly
> can't be switched off. In the US this wasn't a problem as AT&T
> had unlimited data as a part of the contract. But with Telstra or
> indeed, any of the other carriers, this isn't the case.
It still obviously depends on what sites you choose to visit etc.
> And these poor slobs, if they're discovering megadollar excess
> data charges in a month's time will have another 23 months of it...
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Snapper <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> I just had a browse of the Telstra iPhone plans. It seems that there
>> is nothing new there. Usual plans with a browsing pack tacked on.
>> How far would 100 megs go on one of these phones, do you reckon?
> Obviously depends on what you do on it.
> You'd burn it up a lot faster if you use google maps in satellite
> mode than you would if you stuck with simple text sites etc.
>> As an article in the Green Guide suggested yesterday, it apparently
>> uses data in the background and the data component supposedly
>> can't be switched off. In the US this wasn't a problem as AT&T
>> had unlimited data as a part of the contract. But with Telstra or
>> indeed, any of the other carriers, this isn't the case.
> It still obviously depends on what sites you choose to visit etc.
>> And these poor slobs, if they're discovering megadollar excess
>> data charges in a month's time will have another 23 months of it...
> You can upgrade the plan data wise.
It would be clearer to say you can upgrade the datapack in that situation.
Not a bad way to do it in many ways, you can choose to go for a larger
datapack initially while its a new toy and you arent locked into that for
2 years and can drop back to a less expensive datapack when you
see what you end up using every month when the novelty wears off.
> > As an article in the Green Guide suggested yesterday, it apparently
> > uses data in the background and the data component supposedly
> > can't be switched off. In the US this wasn't a problem as AT&T
> > had unlimited data as a part of the contract. But with Telstra or
> > indeed, any of the other carriers, this isn't the case.
>
> It still obviously depends on what sites you choose to visit etc.
Maybe. What about what the writer of that article is claiming? If the new iPhone
does what the old one does, and to conduct "transactions" in the background
without you actually browsing or downloading anything particular, what then?
If the wireless connection HSDPA, UMTS or whatever you want to call it is
permanently active then you could be racking up data charges without even
knowing it.
Snapper <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> As an article in the Green Guide suggested yesterday, it apparently
>>> uses data in the background and the data component supposedly
>>> can't be switched off. In the US this wasn't a problem as AT&T
>>> had unlimited data as a part of the contract. But with Telstra or
>>> indeed, any of the other carriers, this isn't the case.
>> It still obviously depends on what sites you choose to visit etc.
> Maybe.
No maybe about it.
> What about what the writer of that article is claiming?
> If the new iPhone does what the old one does, and to
> conduct "transactions" in the background without you
> actually browsing or downloading anything particular, what then?
If that amounts to more than the minimum datapack
provides, you're always welcome to go for a bigger one.
> If the wireless connection HSDPA, UMTS or whatever you want to call it is permanently
> active then you could be racking up data charges without even knowing it.
You'll soon know about it come the end of the month and you can check what its doing data wise anyway.
And under the TPA, if Telstra doesnt make that stuff clear, you can fuck them over using the TPA anyway.
> > What about what the writer of that article is claiming?
> > If the new iPhone does what the old one does, and to
> > conduct "transactions" in the background without you
> > actually browsing or downloading anything particular, what then?
>
> If that amounts to more than the minimum datapack
> provides, you're always welcome to go for a bigger one.
Which is an expensive exercise, particularly if that data isn't stuff that
you're using. In other words you're paying a premium just to be connected.
Anything useful is then charged extra, either via excess data charges or from a
larger data pack.
That is, of course, if the iPhone 3G works the same as the original iPhone.
Snapper <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> What about what the writer of that article is claiming?
>>> If the new iPhone does what the old one does, and to
>>> conduct "transactions" in the background without you
>>> actually browsing or downloading anything particular, what then?
>> If that amounts to more than the minimum datapack
>> provides, you're always welcome to go for a bigger one.
> Which is an expensive exercise,
No it isnt if you start with one of the higher volume datapacks,
the difference between the higher value one and the minimum
cost one is peanuts in the total cost of ownership of the iphone.
> particularly if that data isn't stuff that you're using.
I bet there's a reason that $5worth of data per month is included in all the plans.
> In other words you're paying a premium just to be connected.
No you arent. You dont have to have any datapack at all if you dont want one.
> Anything useful is then charged extra, either via
> excess data charges or from a larger data pack.
Yes, but that may not amount to much in the total cost of owning the iphone.
> That is, of course, if the iPhone 3G works the same as the original iPhone.
I bet there's a reason that $5worth of data per month is included in all the plans.
"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote...
>
>> > What about what the writer of that article is claiming?
>> > If the new iPhone does what the old one does, and to
>> > conduct "transactions" in the background without you
>> > actually browsing or downloading anything particular, what then?
>>
>> If that amounts to more than the minimum datapack
>> provides, you're always welcome to go for a bigger one.
>
> Which is an expensive exercise, particularly if that data isn't stuff that
> you're using. In other words you're paying a premium just to be connected.
> Anything useful is then charged extra, either via excess data charges or
> from a
> larger data pack.
>
> That is, of course, if the iPhone 3G works the same as the original
> iPhone.
>
Having owned an original iPhone for many months I can confirm that it does
NOT "conduct transactions in the background", I have never unknowingly used
a single byte of data,
Also, you can download software to turn of EDGE/3G and stop ALL data.
> Yes, but that may not amount to much in the total cost of owning the iphone.
>
> > That is, of course, if the iPhone 3G works the same as the original iPhone.
>
> I bet there's a reason that $5worth of data per month is included in all the plans.
Dunno. I have 5 bux worth of data on my plan and it's not an iPhone. If the
iPhone works like Ver. 1 then you're getting ripped. Having it connected in the
background and not getting anything useful from it. Whereas I only use data when
i actually get the phone to connect. For example, send or receive email, browse
the web, that sort of thing.
It's a pity that The Age doesn't have the Green Guide supplement online. I'd
point you to the article.
> Having owned an original iPhone for many months I can confirm that it does
> NOT "conduct transactions in the background", I have never unknowingly used
> a single byte of data,
> Also, you can download software to turn of EDGE/3G and stop ALL data.
Then you're contradicting what you're saying. If you can download software to
stop "ALL" data then data must be transfering at some point where you need to
run special software to stop it.
But then the original iPhone was designed for the AT&T network, not for any
here. So maybe you can't establish a data connection here in the same manner.
Remember, I'm only repeating what the article said and I've also made the usual
disclaimer "if the guy is correct in what he's saying..." kinda thing.
"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Me wrote...
>
>> Having owned an original iPhone for many months I can confirm that it
>> does
>> NOT "conduct transactions in the background", I have never unknowingly
>> used
>> a single byte of data,
>> Also, you can download software to turn of EDGE/3G and stop ALL data.
>
> Then you're contradicting what you're saying.
No he's not - unless you speak a different version of English to everyone
else.....
> If you can download software to
> stop "ALL" data then data must be transfering at some point where you need
> to
> run special software to stop it.
Wrong. He's referring to stopping ALL data - meaning *intentional* data
connections.
> "Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:umch74diegrojn6v340urdqgpvu95501an@yarwho.com ...
> > Me wrote...
> >
> >> Having owned an original iPhone for many months I can confirm that it
> >> does
> >> NOT "conduct transactions in the background", I have never unknowingly
> >> used
> >> a single byte of data,
> >> Also, you can download software to turn of EDGE/3G and stop ALL data.
> >
> > Then you're contradicting what you're saying.
>
> No he's not - unless you speak a different version of English to everyone
> else.....
Perhaps you should go back to school. SCOPE will be able to accommodate you. It
has remedial English classes.
Then there's his comment "I have never unknowingly..."
How is he to know if it uses data if he doesn't know if it's using data?
> > If you can download software to
> > stop "ALL" data then data must be transfering at some point where you need
> > to
> > run special software to stop it.
>
> Wrong. He's referring to stopping ALL data - meaning *intentional* data
> connections.
Again, if there's a need for such software there must be something happening
that normal phone operation cannot stop. ie. turning off the wireless, hitting
the cancel button, whatever.
"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Kwyjibo wrote...
>
>> "Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:umch74diegrojn6v340urdqgpvu95501an@yarwho.com ...
>> > Me wrote...
>> >
>> >> Having owned an original iPhone for many months I can confirm that it
>> >> does
>> >> NOT "conduct transactions in the background", I have never unknowingly
>> >> used
>> >> a single byte of data,
>> >> Also, you can download software to turn of EDGE/3G and stop ALL data.
>> >
>> > Then you're contradicting what you're saying.
To clarify for the anal amongst us... I have NEVER used the software I spoke
of above and have NEVER unexpectedly/unknowingly transfered data
>>
>> No he's not - unless you speak a different version of English to everyone
>> else.....
I thought I made sense.. :-)
>
> Perhaps you should go back to school. SCOPE will be able to accommodate
> you. It
> has remedial English classes.
>
> Then there's his comment "I have never unknowingly..."
>
> How is he to know if it uses data if he doesn't know if it's using data?
For info, the iPhone has a table/page that counts every byte of transmitted
and received data, very easy to keep track of. I know EXACTLY how much data
I am using, pretty easy really..
>
>> > If you can download software to
>> > stop "ALL" data then data must be transfering at some point where you
>> > need
>> > to
>> > run special software to stop it.
This software is to independently stop/start wifi and edge/3g data when
needed (I leave mine on all the time)
>>
>> Wrong. He's referring to stopping ALL data - meaning *intentional* data
>> connections.
Correct!
>
> Again, if there's a need for such software there must be something
> happening
> that normal phone operation cannot stop. ie. turning off the wireless,
> hitting
> the cancel button, whatever.
Has NEVER happened, if you research further, you will find that the main
reason a lot of the yanks had huge iPhone bills (hundreds of pages) when it
first came out is because they has email checking on in the background...
> I bet there's a reason that $5worth of data per month is included in all the plans.
Which won't go far if you use it for basic things like Google Maps. There are a
few threads on Whirlpool discussing this. One guy said that he's already gone
through around 90 megs just with Google Maps. Dunno what sort of plan that he's
on, but as all the reviewers are saying, if you buy the iPhone then expect to
use a lot of data. Otherwise don't bother with it.
It'd be like buying a DVD recorder then only using it to watch shows, not to
record anything on it.
I s'pose it's a matter of "watch this space" to see what feedback from iPhone
users after they get their first bills.
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Snapper <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> I bet there's a reason that $5worth of data per month is included in all the plans.
> Which won't go far if you use it for basic things like Google Maps.
Sure, I meant that about the alleged background stuff that the iphone does.
Turns out that it doesnt, and that the $5 worth of data is in all plans, not just those for the iphone, as you pointed
out.
> There are a few threads on Whirlpool discussing this. One guy said
> that he's already gone through around 90 megs just with Google Maps.
Yeah, specially in satellite mode, it does go thru quite a bit.
> Dunno what sort of plan that he's on, but as all the reviewers are
> saying, if you buy the iPhone then expect to use a lot of data.
Like I said, depends entirely on what you do data wise.
> Otherwise don't bother with it.
Thats just plain wrong. Its also a very decent user interface very portable
laptop type device that can do heaps over wifi very conveniently.
Thats what I do with the N95 8GB, move fuck all data over the radio link, all of it
over wifi and I pump the lists into it using bluetooth before heading out of the house.
> It'd be like buying a DVD recorder then only using it to watch shows,
> not to record anything on it.
Nope, nothing like if you use wifi for most of the net access.
> I s'pose it's a matter of "watch this space" to see what
> feedback from iPhone users after they get their first bills.
Yep, but like I said, its completely trivial to start with a decent datapack
while its a new toy and then once you see what you stabilise down to
and change to an appropriate lower cost datapack once you know that.
"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Kwyjibo wrote...
>
>> "Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:umch74diegrojn6v340urdqgpvu95501an@yarwho.com ...
>> > Me wrote...
>> >
>> >> Having owned an original iPhone for many months I can confirm that it
>> >> does
>> >> NOT "conduct transactions in the background", I have never unknowingly
>> >> used
>> >> a single byte of data,
>> >> Also, you can download software to turn of EDGE/3G and stop ALL data.
>> >
>> > Then you're contradicting what you're saying.
>>
>> No he's not - unless you speak a different version of English to everyone
>> else.....
>
> Perhaps you should go back to school. SCOPE will be able to accommodate
> you. It
> has remedial English classes.
You seem to be the expert on that........
> Then there's his comment "I have never unknowingly..."
And?
> How is he to know if it uses data if he doesn't know if it's using data?
There's a data counter, fuckwit.
>> > If you can download software to
>> > stop "ALL" data then data must be transfering at some point where you
>> > need
>> > to
>> > run special software to stop it.
>>
>> Wrong. He's referring to stopping ALL data - meaning *intentional* data
>> connections.
>
> Again, if there's a need for such software there must be something
> happening
> that normal phone operation cannot stop. ie. turning off the wireless,
> hitting
> the cancel button, whatever.
Bullshit.
Try reading his post again. Get an adult to help you out if you don't
understand some of the words.
> Yes, but that may not amount to much in the total cost of owning the
> iphone.
>
>> That is, of course, if the iPhone 3G works the same as the original
>> iPhone.
>
> I bet there's a reason that $5worth of data per month is included in all
> the plans.
They werent new plans, they are the same plans in use before the iphone was
invented
>
>
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