"HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG
network. The Dual combines the touch-screen functions of the HTC Touch,
which we reviewed last year, with a slide out ...(blah blah & snipped)
This $929 version of the Touch Dual has HSDPA wireless broadband which
works on Telstra's peculiar NextG network"
(Financial Review 08.02.08 Page L10)
So what is the peculiarity compared to other 3G networks?
John Phillips <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote:
> "HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG network.
> The Dual combines the touch-screen functions of the HTC Touch, which we
> reviewed last year, with a slide out ...(blah blah & snipped)
> This $929 version of the Touch Dual has HSDPA wireless
> broadband which works on Telstra's peculiar NextG network"
> (Financial Review 08.02.08 Page L10)
> So what is the peculiarity compared to other 3G networks?
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Phillips <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote:
>
>> "HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG
>> network.
>> The Dual combines the touch-screen functions of the HTC Touch, which we
>> reviewed last year, with a slide out ...(blah blah & snipped)
>
>> This $929 version of the Touch Dual has HSDPA wireless
>> broadband which works on Telstra's peculiar NextG network"
>
>> (Financial Review 08.02.08 Page L10)
>
>> So what is the peculiarity compared to other 3G networks?
>
> The band it uses.
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:23:58 +1100, Kwyjibo wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6158jkF1trd3iU1@mid.individual.net...
>> John Phillips <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "HTC has launched a version of its Touch Dual for Telstra's NextG
>>> network.
>>> The Dual combines the touch-screen functions of the HTC Touch, which we
>>> reviewed last year, with a slide out ...(blah blah & snipped)
>>
>>> This $929 version of the Touch Dual has HSDPA wireless
>>> broadband which works on Telstra's peculiar NextG network"
>>
>>> (Financial Review 08.02.08 Page L10)
>>
>>> So what is the peculiarity compared to other 3G networks?
>>
>> The band it uses.
>
> And it's HSDPA - not 3G
All networks round their Gs down to the nearest unit.
That's why 3 hasn't been done like a dinner for continuing to call itself
"3" after upgrading its ENTIRE network to HSDPA.
> So what exactly is "3G", and is there a standard band it
> should be using?
3G is also known as 3GSM and as UMTS. It's basically the next
generation of GSM, built on a W-CDMA (code division) radio
layer instead of the TDMA (time division) layer used by the
older GSM system.
GSM's initial band was 900 MHz, but 850, 1800 and 1900 MHz GSM
bands are now in common use as well. A world GSM phone is
quad-band.
UMTS's initial band was 2100 MHz, as used by Australian carriers
until NextG. Telstra NextG and the US have gone for 850 MHz,
and 1900 MHz is being used in the US as well: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
John Henderson wrote:
>
>> What about the band / system Optus will be using?
>
> I've read on this newsgroup that they'll be using 900 MHz.
> Maybe someone can confirm this with a reference.
>
> John
>
Optus' 3G network uses 2100 MHz & 900 MHz. 2100 MHz will be used in the
metropolitan areas & 900 MHz will be used as well as 2100 MHz in
regional & rural areas, 900 MHz will be mainly in rural areas.
I think it's on the Optus web site under the media releases/newsroom
section if you really have to read it for yourself.
"John Henderson" <jhenRemoveThis@talk21.com> wrote in message
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> John Phillips wrote:
>
>> So what exactly is "3G", and is there a standard band it
>> should be using?
>
> 3G is also known as 3GSM and as UMTS. It's basically the next
> generation of GSM, built on a W-CDMA (code division) radio
> layer instead of the TDMA (time division) layer used by the
> older GSM system.
>
> GSM's initial band was 900 MHz, but 850, 1800 and 1900 MHz GSM
> bands are now in common use as well. A world GSM phone is
> quad-band.
>
> UMTS's initial band was 2100 MHz, as used by Australian carriers
> until NextG. Telstra NextG and the US have gone for 850 MHz,
> and 1900 MHz is being used in the US as well:
> http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
>
> For the HSPDA extension to 3G, see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPDA
>
>> What about the band / system Optus will be using?
>
> I've read on this newsgroup that they'll be using 900 MHz.
> Maybe someone can confirm this with a reference.
>
> John
>
Thanks. As Stelera Wireless in the US is planning a 1700 MHz
UMTS network, that'll be a pentaband UMTS world phone. With
the inevitable GSM backwards-compatibility, it'll be hexband:
>I think it's on the Optus web site under the media releases/newsroom
>section if you really have to read it for yourself.
I had a bit of a browse of the Optus website looking for more info on
this. Certainly the newly failed-to-finish school sales assistant in the
local Optus shop hadn't a clue as to how its new "3G" service would be
working.
All she could tell me was that new phones would be released on May 1, the
day after CDMA for its Optus CDMA customers closes.
Torque about cutting it fine.
I wonder what they would've been doing had it closed on Jan 28. They'd
have to either migrate over to the piss poor Optus GSM network or move to
Telstra NextG. Currently the Optus option is all that they have if they
wish to stay with Optus.
Which would be rather annoying if, when their CDMA service closes and
Optus hasn't got any 3G service running, they'd have to make a difficult
choice insofar as trying to get an equivalent to CDMA service goes.
"3G/HSPA network operators around the world are increasingly shifting to
the 900 MHz frequency range, meaning that handsets and network equipment
will be produced in high volume in this configuration, leading to cost
efficiencies and bringing value to rural and regional Australia."
>That's why 3 hasn't been done like a dinner for continuing to call itself
>"3" after upgrading its ENTIRE network to HSDPA.
So, explain to us how a company's name has to be related to the services
that it provides that it needs this loophole that you wrote about to stop
it being "done like a dinner".
Optus are already selling the first 3G HSDPA 900/2100 MHz capable phone in
Australia, (It's also Quad-band GSM) the Nokia 6121. I believe it's free on
the cap and YES plans, $49 and above.
"John Henderson" <jhenRemoveThis@talk21.com> wrote in message
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> QUEBURN wrote:
>
>> Here is a link to the Optus media release for the 3G, 2100/900
>> Mhz rollout plan:
>>
> http://www.optus.com.au/portal/site/...extfmt=default
>
> Thanks. As Stelera Wireless in the US is planning a 1700 MHz
> UMTS network, that'll be a pentaband UMTS world phone. With
> the inevitable GSM backwards-compatibility, it'll be hexband:
>
> 850 GSM + UMTS
> 900 GSM + UMTS
> 1700 UMTS
> 1800 GSM
> 1900 GSM + UMTS
> 2100 UMTS
>
> John
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:38:50 +1100, Snapper <snapper_won@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Why didn't Telstra do this:
>
>"3G/HSPA network operators around the world are increasingly shifting to
>the 900 MHz frequency range, meaning that handsets and network equipment
>will be produced in high volume in this configuration, leading to cost
>efficiencies and bringing value to rural and regional Australia."
You need to ask? They ALWAYS wan't to do it a differnt way to try and lock in
anyone silly enough to be one of their users.
On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:42:10 +1100, Snapper wrote:
> Horry wrote...
>
>>That's why 3 hasn't been done like a dinner for continuing to call itself
>>"3" after upgrading its ENTIRE network to HSDPA.
>
> So, explain to us how a company's name has to be related to the services
> that it provides that it needs this loophole that you wrote about to stop
> it being "done like a dinner".
The comment was tongue-in-cheek.
It's frustrating when one has to explain such things, so I won't bother.
In article <47ae94d4@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, nospam@spamontoast.com says...
> Optus are already selling the first 3G HSDPA 900/2100 MHz capable phone in
> Australia, (It's also Quad-band GSM) the Nokia 6121. I believe it's free on
> the cap and YES plans, $49 and above.
Why would optus sell a HSDPA hand set? isnt that a telstra only network?
or did telstra just borrow an existing standard?
> With coverage in Floresville & Poth, Texas only, no doubt no
> phone will work there at all.
>
> Floresville 5,868 (2000 census) and Poth 1,850 people.
>
> WTF? Their web site talks about a wireless modem card, not
> GSM phones.
Sony Ericsson seems to be taking 1700 MHz UMTS more seriously
than the need to cover both 850 and 900. The new XPERIA X1 has
two models. One covers the 4 GSM bands plus 850/1700/1900/2100
UMTS while the other has the same GSM bands plus
900/1700/1900/2100 UMTS.
"DaN" <Dan@win32.trojan> wrote in message
news:MPG.221a43744179a907989691@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In article <47ae94d4@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, nospam@spamontoast.com says...
>> Optus are already selling the first 3G HSDPA 900/2100 MHz capable phone
>> in
>> Australia, (It's also Quad-band GSM) the Nokia 6121. I believe it's free
>> on
>> the cap and YES plans, $49 and above.
>
> Why would optus sell a HSDPA hand set? isnt that a telstra only network?
> or did telstra just borrow an existing standard?
Its a standard. Telstra just use existing standards in the marketplace
>
>
> ~Dan
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