I am looking at getting another smartphone. The phone I currently have is a
HTC TyTn II. Loved the HTC. Prior to this I was a Nokia fan. I need advice
on the best smartphone to get. The main feature I need is:
Half decent battery life
MP3 ring tones
The ability to sync calender in Outlook. (I don't sync emails)
Ease of entering dates into Outlook
Decent camera
GPS navigation would be nice
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:46:25 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
<news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>I am looking at getting another smartphone. The phone I currently have is a
>HTC TyTn II. Loved the HTC. Prior to this I was a Nokia fan. I need advice
>on the best smartphone to get.
You will get plenty of advice, and most of it conflicting.
"Polly the Parrot" <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:46:25 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>
>>I am looking at getting another smartphone. The phone I currently have is
>>a
>>HTC TyTn II. Loved the HTC. Prior to this I was a Nokia fan. I need advice
>>on the best smartphone to get.
>
> You will get plenty of advice, and most of it conflicting.
Hi Polly,
I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased myself a
Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online reviews were
excellent for all features.
Derick P Burns wrote
> Polly the Parrot <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote
>> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>>> I am looking at getting another smartphone. The phone I currently
>>> have is a HTC TyTn II. Loved the HTC. Prior to this I was a Nokia fan. I need advice on the best smartphone to get.
>> You will get plenty of advice, and most of it conflicting.
> I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased
> myself a Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online reviews were excellent for all features.
How about posting your comments when you have used it for a while.
I have stuck with Nokia myself, in my case an N95 8GB.
No real regrets except for the lack of a touch screen and it not being
able to play recorded captured free to air TV over wifi from my PVR
without conversion. I can do that on my laptop but not the N95.
You can convert to a format that it will play, but thats a pain in
the arse compared with just playing it without prior conversion.
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:05:37 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
<news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased myself a
>Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online reviews were
>excellent for all features.
>> I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased
>> myself a Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online reviews were excellent for all features.
>
>How about posting your comments when you have used it for a while.
I have one Roddles, pretty good for general use.
Mine has over 600 contacts and I synch with OutofLuck at work for my diary
as well. Nokia Suite works fine here, but sometimes gets corrupted on the
pc.
Good camera with inbuilt flash, and nice tone for music as well.
Once you learn the inbuilt shortcuts on the E71, even easier to use.
If you buy one, make sure you update the firmware - works a lot faster.
One good free Nokia app is "Conversations" - sorts all sms messages into
name of sender/recipient in order, similar to Palm.
Nokia also have a "push" email service like Blackberry - all you need is a
web based email account. However I turned my email off - it was giving me
the ***** getting mail all the time, but for some people it may be needed
for their business.
I would also recommend you get a silicone skin for the phone - slippery case
and easy to drop.
Polly the Parrot wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Derick P Burns wrote
>>> Polly the Parrot <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote
>>>> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>>>>> I am looking at getting another smartphone. The phone I currently
>>>>> have is a HTC TyTn II. Loved the HTC. Prior to this I was a Nokia
>>>>> fan. I need advice on the best smartphone to get.
>>>> You will get plenty of advice, and most of it conflicting.
>>> I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased
>>> myself a Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The
>>> online reviews were excellent for all features.
>> How about posting your comments when you have used it for a while.
> I have one Roddles, pretty good for general use.
I really meant how it compares with the HTC. Could have said that more carefully.
> Mine has over 600 contacts and I synch with OutofLuck at work for my diary
> as well. Nokia Suite works fine here, but sometimes gets corrupted on the pc.
I dont synch the calenda myself, mainly because very little of it is relevant on the mobile.
> Good camera with inbuilt flash,
Yeah, the N95 8GB is fine in that regard, two actually.
> and nice tone for music as well.
I dont bother with music at all myself.
> Once you learn the inbuilt shortcuts on the E71, even easier to use.
Yeah, thats the main thing I was looking for comments on the HTC about.
I have always found the Nokias much better than average in the UI.
> If you buy one, make sure you update the firmware - works a lot faster.
I dont plan to buy one given I have the N95 8GB.
> One good free Nokia app is "Conversations" - sorts all sms
> messages into name of sender/recipient in order, similar to Palm.
> Nokia also have a "push" email service like Blackberry - all you
> need is a web based email account. However I turned my email
> off - it was giving me the ***** getting mail all the time,
Yeah, I dont bother with incoming email on mine either.
> but for some people it may be needed for their business.
Yep.
> I would also recommend you get a silicone skin
> for the phone - slippery case and easy to drop.
"Polly the Parrot" <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:05:37 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>
>>I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased myself a
>>Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online reviews were
>>excellent for all features.
>
> I have that one, pretty good.
>
> Make sure you update the firmware.
Thanks Rod and Polly. I will get back to the newsgroup on how its
functionallity compares to the HTC.
>I really meant how it compares with the HTC. Could have said that more carefully.
I did have the Tytn II (think this is what it is called) with the pull out
keyboard, gave me the Tom Tits having to turn it on the side in order to use
the keyboard.
BTW you mentioned touch screen; Nokia have just released one.
Nokia 5800, but being first in the line of touch screen phones, probably
best to avoid,
Polly the Parrot wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> I really meant how it compares with the HTC. Could have said that more carefully.
> I did have the Tytn II (think this is what it is called) with
> the pull out keyboard, gave me the Tom Tits having to
> turn it on the side in order to use the keyboard.
Yeah, I've given up on full keyboards, too limiting with such small devices.
I just use the camera instead of taking notes, like when checking
who is flogging what at what price etc when doing construction
projects etc where you cant do the research on the net and need
to have a look at what say Bunnings is stocking shelving wise etc.
> BTW you mentioned touch screen; Nokia have just released one.
Yeah, I meant that thats one thing I dont have with
the N95 8GB, because I've had it for a while now.
> Nokia 5800, but being first in the line of touch
> screen phones, probably best to avoid,
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> "Polly the Parrot" <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:05:37 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
>> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased myself a
>>>Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online reviews were
>>>excellent for all features.
>>
>> I have that one, pretty good.
>>
>> Make sure you update the firmware.
>
> Thanks Rod and Polly. I will get back to the newsgroup on how its
> functionallity compares to the HTC.
>
> Derick
Hi Polly and Rod. I went out to my local AllPhones store and got a N71 on
the Optarse $79 business cap. Will report back later about the pros and cons
compared to the HTC.
Now I need to work out how to set up MSN messenger on the damn thing
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> "Derick P Burns" <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote in message
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>> "Polly the Parrot" <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>> news:m8gnt4puiegan0m6lsqpmhl1s4ks962n4t@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:05:37 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
>>> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased myself a
>>>>Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online reviews were
>>>>excellent for all features.
>>>
>>> I have that one, pretty good.
>>>
>>> Make sure you update the firmware.
>>
>> Thanks Rod and Polly. I will get back to the newsgroup on how its
>> functionallity compares to the HTC.
>>
>> Derick
>
> Hi Polly and Rod. I went out to my local AllPhones store and got a N71 on
> the Optarse $79 business cap. Will report back later about the pros and
> cons compared to the HTC.
>
> Now I need to work out how to set up MSN messenger on the damn thing
As I said I would on the N71 v's HTC TyTn II:
N71 is lighter and has a better battery life than the HTC
N71 has FM radio which I will occasionally use. HTC does not have FM radio.
The HTC had threated sms's. I can't work out to install a programme on the
N71 to have this feature.
Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect I will
get used to the N71 in time.
No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
Easy sync with both.
Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates Outlook.
Easy to enter in new events into the calender on the N71.
I love the "advanced call management" programme on the N71. Haven't found
similar for the HTC.
Derick P Burns wrote:
> "Derick P Burns" <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote in message
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>> "Derick P Burns" <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Polly the Parrot" <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:m8gnt4puiegan0m6lsqpmhl1s4ks962n4t@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:05:37 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
>>>> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased
>>>>> myself a Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online
>>>>> reviews were excellent for all features.
>>>>
>>>> I have that one, pretty good.
>>>>
>>>> Make sure you update the firmware.
>>>
>>> Thanks Rod and Polly. I will get back to the newsgroup on how its
>>> functionallity compares to the HTC.
>>>
>>> Derick
>>
>> Hi Polly and Rod. I went out to my local AllPhones store and got a
>> N71 on the Optarse $79 business cap. Will report back later about
>> the pros and cons compared to the HTC.
>>
>> Now I need to work out how to set up MSN messenger on the damn thing
>>
> As I said I would on the N71 v's HTC TyTn II:
> N71 is lighter and has a better battery life than the HTC
> N71 has FM radio which I will occasionally use. HTC does not have FM radio. The HTC had threated sms's.
Que ?
> I can't work out to install a programme on the N71 to have this feature.
Its probably illegal anyway.
> Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
> N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
> HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect
> I will get used to the N71 in time.
> No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
Yeah, I love that on the TomTom.
> Easy sync with both.
> Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates
> Outlook. Easy to enter in new events into the calender on the N71.
> I love the "advanced call management" programme on the N71. Haven't found similar for the HTC.
How do you find the general menu structure between the two ?
Particularly whether stuff is where you expect it should
be so you dont have to use the manual to find it etc.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:13:53 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
<news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>The HTC had threated sms's. I can't work out to install a programme on the
>N71 to have this feature.
Download "Conversations" from Nokia Beta Labs.
>Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
>N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
>HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect I will
>get used to the N71 in time.
>No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
>Easy sync with both.
>Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates Outlook.
So does the N71 (I am presuming by "replicate" you actually mean
"synchronise"?)
Rod Speed wrote
> Derick P Burns wrote
>> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>>> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>>>> Polly the Parrot <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote
>>>>> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>>>>>> I only thought of that after I posted it. I have just purchased
>>>>>> myself a Nokia E71. Hopefully it will do what I need. The online
>>>>>> reviews were excellent for all features.
>>>>> I have that one, pretty good.
>>>>> Make sure you update the firmware.
>>>> Thanks Rod and Polly. I will get back to the newsgroup on how its functionallity compares to the HTC.
>>> Hi Polly and Rod. I went out to my local AllPhones store and got a
>>> N71 on the Optarse $79 business cap. Will report back later about
>>> the pros and cons compared to the HTC.
>>> Now I need to work out how to set up MSN messenger on the damn thing
>>>
>> As I said I would on the N71 v's HTC TyTn II:
>> N71 is lighter and has a better battery life than the HTC
>> N71 has FM radio which I will occasionally use. HTC does not have FM radio. The HTC had threated sms's.
> Que ?
Smacks head. Presumably you mean threaded. Yeah, well worth having.
>> I can't work out to install a programme on the N71 to have this feature.
> Its probably illegal anyway.
Unlikely with threaded.
>> Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
>> N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
>> HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect
>> I will get used to the N71 in time.
>> No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
> Yeah, I love that on the TomTom.
>> Easy sync with both.
>> Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates
>> Outlook. Easy to enter in new events into the calender on the N71.
>> I love the "advanced call management" programme on the N71. Haven't found similar for the HTC.
> How do you find the general menu structure between the two ?
> Particularly whether stuff is where you expect it should
> be so you dont have to use the manual to find it etc.
Polly the Parrot wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:13:53 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>
>> The HTC had threated sms's. I can't work out to install a programme
>> on the N71 to have this feature.
>
> Download "Conversations" from Nokia Beta Labs.
>
>> Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
>> N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
>> HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect
>> I will get used to the N71 in time.
>> No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
>> Easy sync with both.
>> Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates Outlook.
> So does the N71 (I am presuming by "replicate" you actually mean "synchronise"?)
Dunno, I assumed he meant that it looks like outlook on the HTC.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Polly the Parrot wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:13:53 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
>> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> The HTC had threated sms's. I can't work out to install a programme
>>> on the N71 to have this feature.
>>
>> Download "Conversations" from Nokia Beta Labs.
>>
>>> Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
>>> N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
>>> HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect
>>> I will get used to the N71 in time.
>>> No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
>>> Easy sync with both.
>>> Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates Outlook.
>
>> So does the N71 (I am presuming by "replicate" you actually mean
>> "synchronise"?)
>
> Dunno, I assumed he meant that it looks like outlook on the HTC.
>
> Thats certainly desirable if thats what he means.
>
I did mean the HTC contacts and calender looks very similar to Outlook.
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> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Polly the Parrot wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:13:53 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
>>> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The HTC had threated sms's. I can't work out to install a programme
>>>> on the N71 to have this feature.
>>>
>>> Download "Conversations" from Nokia Beta Labs.
>>>
>>>> Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
>>>> N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
>>>> HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect
>>>> I will get used to the N71 in time.
>>>> No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
>>>> Easy sync with both.
>>>> Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates
>>>> Outlook.
>>
>>> So does the N71 (I am presuming by "replicate" you actually mean
>>> "synchronise"?)
>>
>> Dunno, I assumed he meant that it looks like outlook on the HTC.
>>
>> Thats certainly desirable if thats what he means.
>>
>
> I did mean the HTC contacts and calender looks very similar to Outlook.
I did download Conversations from Nokia Beta labs. It seem I have to open
the app every time I want to use threaded messages. The HTC had threaded
messages by default in the sms inbox.
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> "Derick P Burns" <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote in message
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>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Polly the Parrot wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:13:53 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
>>>> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The HTC had threated sms's. I can't work out to install a programme
>>>>> on the N71 to have this feature.
>>>>
>>>> Download "Conversations" from Nokia Beta Labs.
>>>>
>>>>> Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
>>>>> N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
>>>>> HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I suspect
>>>>> I will get used to the N71 in time.
>>>>> No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the HTC.
>>>>> Easy sync with both.
>>>>> Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates
>>>>> Outlook.
>>>
>>>> So does the N71 (I am presuming by "replicate" you actually mean
>>>> "synchronise"?)
>>>
>>> Dunno, I assumed he meant that it looks like outlook on the HTC.
>>>
>>> Thats certainly desirable if thats what he means.
>>>
>>
>> I did mean the HTC contacts and calender looks very similar to Outlook.
>
> I did download Conversations from Nokia Beta labs. It seem I have to open
> the app every time I want to use threaded messages. The HTC had threaded
> messages by default in the sms inbox.
I found that I could start Conversations using a shortcut. So now I am
HAPPY!
Derick P Burns wrote
> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Polly the Parrot wrote
>>>>> Derick P Burns <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote
>>>>>> The HTC had threated sms's. I can't work out to install a programme on the N71 to have this feature.
>>>>> Download "Conversations" from Nokia Beta Labs.
>>>>>> Both have excellant call clarity and volume.
>>>>>> N71 has an alarm that will actually wake me up unlike the HTC.
>>>>>> HTC keyboard is larger and less errors are made typing but I
>>>>>> suspect I will get used to the N71 in time.
>>>>>> No touch screen on the N71. I did like the touch screen on the
>>>>>> HTC. Easy sync with both.
>>>>>> Calender feature's is great on both although the HTC replicates
>>>>>> Outlook.
>>>>> So does the N71 (I am presuming by "replicate" you actually mean "synchronise"?)
>>>> Dunno, I assumed he meant that it looks like outlook on the HTC.
>>>> Thats certainly desirable if thats what he means.
>>> I did mean the HTC contacts and calender looks very similar to Outlook.
>> I did download Conversations from Nokia Beta labs. It seem I have to open the app every time I want to use threaded
>> messages. The HTC had threaded messages by default in the sms inbox.
Yeah, thats one big plus with the HTC.
Corse there is no reason why Nokia cant integrate it the same way
with a firmware update for the N71 any time they decide to do that.
They've already done that with some stuff on the N95,
particularly using the built in flux meter to autoswitch the
screen from horiz to vert when you turn it around physically.
> I found that I could start Conversations using a shortcut. So now I am HAPPY!
Yeah, but still better to have it running all the time auto. You sure that isnt a setting ?
If it isnt, it should be.
Thats one thing I dont like about Nokia, the manuals are too superficial.
I still havent been able to work out how you change the default VOIP VSP when
you have setup the builtin VOIP client with more than one VSP on the N95.
The manual just lists whats obvious from the menus and doesnt cover
the more basic fundamentals at all and Nokia claims that there isnt any
other document that does cover the fundamentals, say just for VOIP.
I havent tried very hard to pin that down outside Nokia tho,
just havent gotten around to it since I dont change VSPs much
because one works a hell of a lot better than the other does.
Pennytel and MyNetFone. Pennytel works a hell of a lot better.
You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MyNetFone for some reason.
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:16:01 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
<news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>I did download Conversations from Nokia Beta labs. It seem I have to open
>the app every time I want to use threaded messages.
It is a bit quirky.
Make sure when you close it, use the "Back" key after opening the message
(you have to open the message even though it scrolls past in Conversation,
otherwise you still get an "unread Message" notification in the front menu),
and when exiting Conversations, use the Exit key and not the red telephone
symbol.
Coming from a Palm environment this threading was what I missed most in the
Nokia, and Conversations, although nearly there, is better than nothing.
Maybe Nokia will improve and build in later models?
I also have the icon for Conversations as the first icon on the main screen,
this makes it easy to open.
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:39:02 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> I havent tried very hard to pin that down outside Nokia tho, just havent
> gotten around to it since I dont change VSPs much because one works a
> hell of a lot better than the other does.
>
> Pennytel and MyNetFone. Pennytel works a hell of a lot better.
>
> You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MyNetFone for some reason.
Pennytel works a hell of a lot better on the Nokia, or works a hell of a
lot better in general?
>> I havent tried very hard to pin that down outside Nokia tho,
>> just havent gotten around to it since I dont change VSPs much
>> because one works a hell of a lot better than the other does.
>> Pennytel and MyNetFone. Pennytel works a hell of a lot better.
>> You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MyNetFone for some reason.
> Pennytel works a hell of a lot better on the Nokia,
On the N95. You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MNF for some
reason, otherwise it just says that the service isnt available over WiFi.
Havent bothered to see just what that applys to, whether you get
the same effect over the mobile service etc, essentially because
it works fine with Pennytel and its marginally cheaper as well.
> or works a hell of a lot better in general?
Nar, Pennytel is reputed to be not quite as reliable.
Havent seen that effect myself, I dont call out a hell of a lot.
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:53:51 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> Horry wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> I havent tried very hard to pin that down outside Nokia tho, just
>>> havent gotten around to it since I dont change VSPs much because one
>>> works a hell of a lot better than the other does.
>
>>> Pennytel and MyNetFone. Pennytel works a hell of a lot better.
>
>>> You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MyNetFone for some reason.
>
>> Pennytel works a hell of a lot better on the Nokia,
>
> On the N95. You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MNF for some
> reason, otherwise it just says that the service isnt available over
> WiFi.
>
> Havent bothered to see just what that applys to, whether you get the
> same effect over the mobile service etc, essentially because it works
> fine with Pennytel and its marginally cheaper as well.
>
>> or works a hell of a lot better in general?
>
> Nar, Pennytel is reputed to be not quite as reliable. Havent seen that
> effect myself, I dont call out a hell of a lot.
Yeah, I use both Pennytel and MNF and find MNF the more reliable.
The new $5pa DID fee is a bit annoying, but it's difficult to get too
annoyed about <$1 a month.
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> On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:16:01 +0930, "Derick P Burns"
> <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
>
>>I did download Conversations from Nokia Beta labs. It seem I have to open
>>the app every time I want to use threaded messages.
>
> It is a bit quirky.
>
> Make sure when you close it, use the "Back" key after opening the message
> (you have to open the message even though it scrolls past in Conversation,
> otherwise you still get an "unread Message" notification in the front
> menu),
> and when exiting Conversations, use the Exit key and not the red telephone
> symbol.
Found that out after a few go's and wondering why I had unread sms's!
> Coming from a Palm environment this threading was what I missed most in
> the
> Nokia, and Conversations, although nearly there, is better than nothing.
>
> Maybe Nokia will improve and build in later models?
>
> I also have the icon for Conversations as the first icon on the main
> screen,
> this makes it easy to open.
Horry wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Horry wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> I havent tried very hard to pin that down outside Nokia tho,
>>>> just havent gotten around to it since I dont change VSPs much
>>>> because one works a hell of a lot better than the other does.
>>>> Pennytel and MyNetFone. Pennytel works a hell of a lot better.
>>>> You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MyNetFone for some reason.
>>> Pennytel works a hell of a lot better on the Nokia,
>> On the N95. You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MNF for some
>> reason, otherwise it just says that the service isnt available over WiFi.
>> Havent bothered to see just what that applys to, whether you get
>> the same effect over the mobile service etc, essentially because
>> it works fine with Pennytel and its marginally cheaper as well.
>>> or works a hell of a lot better in general?
>> Nar, Pennytel is reputed to be not quite as reliable.
>> Havent seen that effect myself, I dont call out a hell of a lot.
Thats not true, I have seen quite a few call failures with pennytel and not one with MNF.
> Yeah, I use both Pennytel and MNF and find MNF the more reliable.
> The new $5pa DID fee is a bit annoying,
I didnt use it at all, so it was a complete yawn for me.
> but it's difficult to get too annoyed about <$1 a month.
True, its hardly likely to destitute you any time soon.
I have been meaning to replace the DSL modem router with a voip capable one,
mainly so everything is completely integrated with the POTS phone service and
the decent DECT cordless phones but just havent gotten around to it.
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:50:52 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> Horry wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Horry wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>> I havent tried very hard to pin that down outside Nokia tho, just
>>>>> havent gotten around to it since I dont change VSPs much because one
>>>>> works a hell of a lot better than the other does.
>
>>>>> Pennytel and MyNetFone. Pennytel works a hell of a lot better.
>
>>>>> You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MyNetFone for some
>>>>> reason.
>
>>>> Pennytel works a hell of a lot better on the Nokia,
>
>>> On the N95. You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MNF for some
>>> reason, otherwise it just says that the service isnt available over
>>> WiFi.
>
>>> Havent bothered to see just what that applys to, whether you get the
>>> same effect over the mobile service etc, essentially because it works
>>> fine with Pennytel and its marginally cheaper as well.
>
>>>> or works a hell of a lot better in general?
>
>>> Nar, Pennytel is reputed to be not quite as reliable. Havent seen that
>>> effect myself, I dont call out a hell of a lot.
>
> Thats not true, I have seen quite a few call failures with pennytel and
> not one with MNF.
I've had quite a few instances of never even hearing the ring tone when
making outgoing calls with Pennytel, but still getting charged
nevertheless.
I'm not sure whether it rings at the B-end.
>> Yeah, I use both Pennytel and MNF and find MNF the more reliable.
>
>> The new $5pa DID fee is a bit annoying,
>
> I didnt use it at all, so it was a complete yawn for me.
You're not on the WhirlpoolSaver plan?
That came with a free DID (now $5pa). Or did you cancel the formerly
free DID?
Horry wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Horry wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Horry wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> I havent tried very hard to pin that down outside Nokia tho,
>>>>>> just havent gotten around to it since I dont change VSPs much
>>>>>> because one works a hell of a lot better than the other does.
>>>>>> Pennytel and MyNetFone. Pennytel works a hell of a lot better.
>>>>>> You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MyNetFone for some reason.
>>>>> Pennytel works a hell of a lot better on the Nokia,
>>>> On the N95. You have to cycle the power on the N95 with MNF for some
>>>> reason, otherwise it just says that the service isnt available over WiFi.
>>>> Havent bothered to see just what that applys to, whether you get
>>>> the same effect over the mobile service etc, essentially because
>>>> it works fine with Pennytel and its marginally cheaper as well.
>>>>> or works a hell of a lot better in general?
>>>> Nar, Pennytel is reputed to be not quite as reliable.
>>>> Havent seen that effect myself, I dont call out a hell of a lot.
>> Thats not true, I have seen quite a few call failures with pennytel and not one with MNF.
> I've had quite a few instances of never even hearing
> the ring tone when making outgoing calls with Pennytel,
Yeah, thats what I get too when it does fail.
> but still getting charged nevertheless.
I havent even checked that, should do.
> I'm not sure whether it rings at the B-end.
Yeah, I've never had a chance to check that.
Must do that next time.
>>> Yeah, I use both Pennytel and MNF and find MNF the more reliable.
>>> The new $5pa DID fee is a bit annoying,
>> I didnt use it at all, so it was a complete yawn for me.
> You're not on the WhirlpoolSaver plan?
Yes I am.
> That came with a free DID (now $5pa).
Yes, but you did have the opportunity to cancel the DID and avoid that charge.
Thats what I did.
> Or did you cancel the formerly free DID?
Yep. And havent bothered to get one with Pennytel.
> Half decent battery life
> MP3 ring tones
> The ability to sync calender in Outlook. (I don't sync emails)
What about something like the Motorola V9 series? While it's not a smartphone,
per se, it does what you've listed as your requirements. Except for the GPS,
that is.
Or the Nokia N95 which is also a good phone. Some say that it's now "outdated"
but that's a good thing. It means that they should be cheaper to buy. It has
A-GPS but you don't need the "A" bit if you're willing to wait for a minute or
two as it aquires the satelite fixes. And the maps are free to download, but the
voice guidance service requires a data connection and a subscription, which may
be a double whammy with respect to costs and depending on which telco you're
with.
Put it this way, I'd avoid a Windows Mobile based phone if I can help it.
Windows Mobile has the same quality about it as the real Windows OS does,
unfortunately...
What smartphone should I get? 
Linear Mode
