> The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week
> so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs has
> increased significantly as well.
Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top data pack has
gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29.
Had you said, say, 100 megs, then yeah, I might have considered that as
"significant".
The lower end packs don't seem to have changed much, if at all.
Marts wrote:
> davmel wrote...
>
>> The casual PAYG rate has dropped from $15/MB to $2/MB in the past week
>> so that is a HUGE cut in data rates plus the value of the data packs has
>> increased significantly as well.
>
> Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top data pack has
> gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29.
You're obviously not looking at the available data packs correctly. The
previous top data pack was $179 for 2GB. You now get 3GB for $119 which
is a big saving.
> davmel wrote...
>
>> If you don't like the pricing then use another service.
>
> Dunno about Will's circumstances, but I don't have that luxury. So, I
> don't use the service at all.
My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i felt
inclined to waste the hundreds of dollars a month it would cost me to get
a minimal internet service via nextg, i wouldn't - because i refuse to
give tel$cum that sort of money for virtually nothing.
If i wanted broad-ish-band internet badly enough, i'd get satellite. But
i figured it wasn't worth paying out all that money for installation and
then get stuck with a 2 year contract, when Opel's service will be along
in a few months anyway - and it will be better than satellite.
> > Wow! Only $2000 a GB!!!
> >
> > That means only $40,000 for 20GB, ey? That's amazingly competitive! The
>
> No, there isnt a 20gb data pack for $40000, fuckwit
> > Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top data pack has
> > gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29.
>
> You're obviously not looking at the available data packs correctly. The
I was looking at the data packs that are available for my mobile service. I'm
not interested in datapacks that aren't available for it. There'd be no point,
would there?
> previous top data pack was $179 for 2GB. You now get 3GB for $119 which
> is a big saving.
Depends on what you think the word "saving" means.
--
First things first, but neccesarily in that order
> My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i felt
Have you considered ISDN?
I know that it's a Telstra product, but ISDN Home, together with Bigpond ISDN
isn't that bad when all things are considered. You get "two" phone "lines" and a
128k service. Caller ID is free and the Bigpond service has no download limits.
And yeah, it IS significantly quicker than dialup, with 128/128 speeds, there's
bugger all lag compared to a dialup connection.
Also, where are you located? There are regional ISPs which are now offering some
fairly good deals on Satellite (well, they're "good" for satellite). Wideband
Networks is one. http://www.wideband.net.au/
Marts wrote:
> davmel wrote...
>
>>> Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top data pack has
>>> gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29.
>> You're obviously not looking at the available data packs correctly. The
>
> I was looking at the data packs that are available for my mobile service. I'm
> not interested in datapacks that aren't available for it. There'd be no point,
> would there?
If you have ANY GSM/3G/NextG mobile service with Telstra those data
packs ARE available. Just call up and add or remove them at will. Simple.
>> previous top data pack was $179 for 2GB. You now get 3GB for $119 which
>> is a big saving.
>
> Depends on what you think the word "saving" means.
As per the dictionary:
1. Rescue from harm, danger, or loss.
2. Avoidance of excess expenditure; economy.
3. A reduction in expenditure or cost.
4. Something saved.
If you were on the 2GB plan previously and paying $179 you can now pay
$119/month to get 50% more data, hence a $60/month SAVING.
> If you were on the 2GB plan previously and paying $179 you can now pay
> $119/month to get 50% more data, hence a $60/month SAVING.
>
> Even a dickhead could work that one out.
I think that definition "2" above is what applies here, or indeed, to any
Telstra product that you can avoid purchasing, or that you don't really need to
keep that heart/lung machine going...
--
I must confess, I was born at a very early age. - Groucho Marx
davmel wrote:
> Given that you're saving $13,000/GB over the old casual pricing it's a
> big discount.
>
> If you don't like the pricing then use another service.
What a fucking ridiculous argument, you terminal fuckwit.
That's like saying "Given we're going to rape you up the arse with blunt
butchers knife instead of an electrified welding arc, it's a big
improvement!"
davmel wrote:
> Given that you're saving $13,000/GB over the old casual pricing it's a
> big discount.
>
> If you don't like the pricing then use another service.
What a fucking ridiculous argument, you terminal fuckwit.
That's like saying "Given we're going to rape you up the arse with blunt
butchers knife instead of an electrified welding arc, it's a big
improvement!"
James Bell wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month
>
> 5MB? 5MB? WTF!!!!!
>
> Is this 1975 again you FUCKWIT? How the fuck can anybody justify ANY
> service when anything over 5MB starts being excessive in cost.
>
> ROFL.
>
> LUDICROUS.
Oh quit whining you little child. If you don't like the prices then
build your own network or wait a long time before a competitor bothers
to build a network with adequate coverage.
James Bell wrote:
> davmel wrote:
>> Given that you're saving $13,000/GB over the old casual pricing it's a
>> big discount.
>>
>> If you don't like the pricing then use another service.
>
> What a fucking ridiculous argument, you terminal fuckwit.
It's not an 'argument' FUCKWIT. It's a simple statement that expresses
our freedom to choose what services we choose to pay for. If you don't
have competition to choose from then build your own network.
Companies aren't going to spend an obscene amount of money for little to
no profit just to stop you whining like a baby.
> Marts wrote:
>> davmel wrote...
>>
>>>> Depends on what you think the word "significantly" means. The top
>>>> data pack has gone from 70 megs to 80 megs for the same amount - $29.
>>> You're obviously not looking at the available data packs correctly.
>>> The
>>
>> I was looking at the data packs that are available for my mobile
>> service. I'm not interested in datapacks that aren't available for it.
>> There'd be no point, would there?
>
> If you have ANY GSM/3G/NextG mobile service with Telstra those data
> packs ARE available. Just call up and add or remove them at will.
> Simple.
>
>>> previous top data pack was $179 for 2GB. You now get 3GB for $119
>>> which is a big saving.
>>
>> Depends on what you think the word "saving" means.
>
> As per the dictionary:
>
> 1. Rescue from harm, danger, or loss. 2. Avoidance of excess
> expenditure; economy. 3. A reduction in expenditure or cost. 4.
> Something saved.
It'll be number 1 then, i guess. Cos it certainly ain't number 2. And it
ain't number 3 - unless you were stupid enough to have been paying that
extortionate price in the first place.
> If you were on the 2GB plan previously and paying $179 you can now pay
> $119/month to get 50% more data, hence a $60/month SAVING.
Yeah, but if you weren't, you won't save anything at all by signing up
for it now!
> Will Kemp wrote...
>
>> My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i felt
>
> Have you considered ISDN?
Hmmm... It crossed my mind. But i couldn't be bothered with it really.
> I know that it's a Telstra product, but ISDN Home, together with Bigpond
> ISDN isn't that bad when all things are considered. You get "two" phone
> "lines" and a 128k service. Caller ID is free and the Bigpond service
> has no download limits.
>
> And yeah, it IS significantly quicker than dialup, with 128/128 speeds,
> there's bugger all lag compared to a dialup connection.
Maybe i should have looked into it. We've got it at work and it's not too
bad.
> Also, where are you located?
Arnhem Land, NT.
> There are regional ISPs which are now
> offering some fairly good deals on Satellite (well, they're "good" for
> satellite). Wideband Networks is one. http://www.wideband.net.au/
>
> http://www.wideband.net.au/satellite_plans.html
>
> 256K/64K 500Mb $29.95
> 512K/128K 1Gb $39.95
> 512K/128K 3Gb $79.95
> 512K/128K 5Gb $124.95
> 1024K/256K 1Gb $49.95
> 1024K/256K 3Gb $94.95
> 1024K/256K 5Gb $139.95
Hmmm... Those are bloody good rates for satellite. And no contract
period! I'm out of here in a few weeks though, so it's not worth
bothering about - i'm going to ADSL land! ;-)
I wish i'd found that satellite service when i got here though - not
having to pay for a landline would have almost covered the monthly charge
on its own! No bloody installation fee, either (it looks like i'm just
inside a spot beam coverage area).
> James Bell wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month
>>
>> 5MB? 5MB? WTF!!!!!
>>
>> Is this 1975 again you FUCKWIT? How the fuck can anybody justify ANY
>> service when anything over 5MB starts being excessive in cost.
>>
>> ROFL.
>>
>> LUDICROUS.
>
> Oh quit whining you little child. If you don't like the prices then
> build your own network or wait a long time before a competitor bothers
> to build a network with adequate coverage.
On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:27:56 +0000, Will Kemp wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:46:39 +1000, Marts wrote:
>
>> Will Kemp wrote...
>>
>>> My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i felt
>>
>> Have you considered ISDN?
>
> Hmmm... It crossed my mind. But i couldn't be bothered with it really.
>
>> I know that it's a Telstra product, but ISDN Home, together with
>> Bigpond ISDN isn't that bad when all things are considered. You get
>> "two" phone "lines" and a 128k service. Caller ID is free and the
>> Bigpond service has no download limits.
>>
>> And yeah, it IS significantly quicker than dialup, with 128/128 speeds,
>> there's bugger all lag compared to a dialup connection.
>
> Maybe i should have looked into it. We've got it at work and it's not
> too bad.
>
>> Also, where are you located?
>
> Arnhem Land, NT.
>
>> There are regional ISPs which are now offering some fairly good deals
>> on Satellite (well, they're "good" for satellite). Wideband Networks is
>> one. http://www.wideband.net.au/
>>
>> http://www.wideband.net.au/satellite_plans.html
>>
>> 256K/64K 500Mb $29.95
>> 512K/128K 1Gb $39.95
>> 512K/128K 3Gb $79.95
>> 512K/128K 5Gb $124.95
>> 1024K/256K 1Gb $49.95
>> 1024K/256K 3Gb $94.95
>> 1024K/256K 5Gb $139.95
>
> Hmmm... Those are bloody good rates for satellite. And no contract
> period! I'm out of here in a few weeks though, so it's not worth
> bothering about - i'm going to ADSL land! ;-)
>
> I wish i'd found that satellite service when i got here though - not
> having to pay for a landline would have almost covered the monthly
> charge on its own! No bloody installation fee, either (it looks like i'm
> just inside a spot beam coverage area).
>
> Thanks for that, anyway.
Oh, Victoria only... Wouldn't have been much good to me anyway!
Will Kemp <Will@xxxx.Swaggie.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:27:56 +0000, Will Kemp wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 22:46:39 +1000, Marts wrote:
>>
>>> Will Kemp wrote...
>>>
>>>> My circumstances are that i'm stuck with crappy dialup. Even if i
>>>> felt
>>>
>>> Have you considered ISDN?
>>
>> Hmmm... It crossed my mind. But i couldn't be bothered with it
>> really.
>>
>>> I know that it's a Telstra product, but ISDN Home, together with
>>> Bigpond ISDN isn't that bad when all things are considered. You get
>>> "two" phone "lines" and a 128k service. Caller ID is free and the
>>> Bigpond service has no download limits.
>>>
>>> And yeah, it IS significantly quicker than dialup, with 128/128
>>> speeds, there's bugger all lag compared to a dialup connection.
>>
>> Maybe i should have looked into it. We've got it at work and it's not
>> too bad.
>>
>>> Also, where are you located?
>>
>> Arnhem Land, NT.
>>
>>> There are regional ISPs which are now offering some fairly good
>>> deals on Satellite (well, they're "good" for satellite). Wideband
>>> Networks is one. http://www.wideband.net.au/
>>>
>>> http://www.wideband.net.au/satellite_plans.html
>>>
>>> 256K/64K 500Mb $29.95
>>> 512K/128K 1Gb $39.95
>>> 512K/128K 3Gb $79.95
>>> 512K/128K 5Gb $124.95
>>> 1024K/256K 1Gb $49.95
>>> 1024K/256K 3Gb $94.95
>>> 1024K/256K 5Gb $139.95
>>
>> Hmmm... Those are bloody good rates for satellite. And no contract
>> period! I'm out of here in a few weeks though, so it's not worth
>> bothering about - i'm going to ADSL land! ;-)
>>
>> I wish i'd found that satellite service when i got here though - not
>> having to pay for a landline would have almost covered the monthly
>> charge on its own! No bloody installation fee, either (it looks like
>> i'm just inside a spot beam coverage area).
>>
>> Thanks for that, anyway.
>
> Oh, Victoria only... Wouldn't have been much good to me anyway!
davmel <davmel_not_here@notvalid.com> wrote:
> James Bell wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month
>>
>> 5MB? 5MB? WTF!!!!!
>>
>> Is this 1975 again you FUCKWIT? How the fuck can anybody justify ANY
>> service when anything over 5MB starts being excessive in cost.
>>
>> ROFL.
>>
>> LUDICROUS.
>
> Oh quit whining you little child. If you don't like the prices then
> build your own network or wait a long time before a competitor bothers
> to build a network with adequate coverage.
Or just notice that Opel will be available soon. Too much for you tho.
> Hmmm... Those are bloody good rates for satellite. And no contract
> period! I'm out of here in a few weeks though, so it's not worth
> bothering about - i'm going to ADSL land! ;-)
Firstly, I'm not sure if they're available to people outside of this ISP's
region.
> I wish i'd found that satellite service when i got here though - not
It's only been introduced in the past couple of weeks. But there are other ISPs
with comparable packages.
--
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." - Einstein
"850 and 900MHz UMTS has its distinct advantages"
Please explain...
"Paul Day" <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:53:13 -0700 Spokes may have written:
>> > - Show quoted text -
>
>> According to gsm world, there's about 70 carriers in the USA, 27 of
>> which are 850
>
> Only two (2) of which are _3G_ 850, one which apepars to be a new small
> ma and pa operation. So that really only leavs AT&T and Telstra as the
> only two in the world with UMTS at 850MHz, with Telstra being the first
> cab off the rank.
>
> They will come though... 850 and 900MHz UMTS has its distinct advantages
> and others are looking into it (eg, Optus and Telecom NZ).
>
> PD
>
> --
> Paul Day
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:24:11 GMT Core2Duo may have written:
> "850 and 900MHz UMTS has its distinct advantages"
> Please explain...
A 850Mhz transmission is useable further from the base station than a
2100MHz one at the same power, resulting in less cells being required to
cover the same (sparesly populated) area, thus saving cost.
I think when Optus did the maths earlier this year, they felt they'd
save 40% on the project cost if they used UMTS at 900MHz instead of
2100MHz to match their current GSM footprint.
>> Maybe you are that fuckwit :-)
>
> There's no way i'd use any amount of data a month via nextg, little boy.
> And the nextg PAYG phones don't work anyway - so you can't use the
> network at all, not even your "5 milli bits in a month".
Good, you needn't be concerned with charging then
>
"James Bell" <jamesbell@tellthetruthtelstra.com.au> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month
>
> 5MB? 5MB? WTF!!!!!
Calm down, youll have a coronary
> Is this 1975 again you FUCKWIT? How the fuck can anybody justify ANY
> service when anything over 5MB starts being excessive in cost.
Feel free to pay for PAYG rates for >5 mb if you like, its just extra
revenue in telstra's pockets.
"Will Kemp" <Will@xxxx.Swaggie.net> wrote in message
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>
> Telstra are up to their usual stupid tricks and making sure people in
> rural areas are disadvantaged when they take their phones anywhere else.
"James Bell" <jamesbell@tellthetruthtelstra.com.au> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> Only a fuckwit would be on PAYG when using more than 5mb in a month
>
> 5MB? 5MB? WTF!!!!!
>
> Is this 1975 again you FUCKWIT? How the fuck can anybody justify ANY
> service when anything over 5MB starts being excessive in cost.
>
> ROFL.
>
> LUDICROUS.
Depends. Mobile data, no probs at all, I'd pay for the convenience and the
speed. I certainly wouldn't be using it as my primary internet service. If I
was, I'd be on ADSL or, if that wasn't available, the 3G plan @ $149 isn't
unreasonable given that, if I did live where there wasn't ADSL, there's
probably a really good reason why I chose to live there. I think that's what
we miss when we talk about this subject. We talk as though internet access
fast and cheap is our reason for living. Well, if it is, move to where you
can get it. A major regional town, a cap city, the US of fucking A, if
that's your baby. If it's NOT important enough for you to move for, then
stop whining because you are where you want to be for whatever reason is
most important to you.
Australia's a real twat for Telcos. Massive space, virtually zero
population. When a suburb of Islamabad has 7 million people and can be
covered with 5 base stations, you can see why SingTel and the others don't
want to throw a cent the way of Australia.
I love Australia and the region where I live. My internet needs are
adequately catered for and, while not optimal and more expensive, there's no
way I'd move from all the advantages this country and my region brings to my
lifestyle. We all have choices. Stop whining about it.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Only a fool would use NextG for data of any volume.
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