> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them "books"....
And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to download a few
thousand books in electronic format for free and read them on something like that.
> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and real) book.
I burn them up at better than one a day, so the old
fashioned format at say $30 each gets a tad expensive.
> Or sitting outside on the patio reading the morning paper.
Some of us moved on from that to reading those online instead.
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:11:13 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
> > doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and real) book.
>
> I burn them up at better than one a day, so the old
> fashioned format at say $30 each gets a tad expensive.
Little Golden Books don't take very long to read. <g d r>
> I burn them up at better than one a day, so the old
> fashioned format at say $30 each gets a tad expensive.
I don't read that much. But if I did I'd probably use the local library or book
exchange. Still, I like the look of a personal library in my study.
> > Or sitting outside on the patio reading the morning paper.
>
> Some of us moved on from that to reading those online instead.
Yep, I do too, especially when you want to catch up on the latest news. But for
simply relaxing while having breakfast, reading the paper is a great way to
start the day, whether it's on the patio by the pool, if it's a nice morning, or
catching the morning sun in the family room next to the fire if it's a cold
winter's day.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qf534Fst0jqU1@mid.individual.net...
> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztec...321728246.html
>
>> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them "books"....
>
> And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to download a few
> thousand books in electronic format for free and read them on something
> like that.
Yes, I was right. Rod's poor. Not just poor, but a thief to boot.
>
>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
>> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and real) book.
>
> I burn them up at better than one a day, so the old
> fashioned format at say $30 each gets a tad expensive.
Ha! Liar. Unless you actually mean "set fire to them". But that would
involve being able to work a lighter.
>
>> Or sitting outside on the patio reading the morning paper.
>
> Some of us moved on from that to reading those online instead.
Some of us do not see this as a progression. Screen resolution, for a start,
makes reading and endurance more difficult.
Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> I burn them up at better than one a day, so the old
>> fashioned format at say $30 each gets a tad expensive.
> I don't read that much.
I dont either most of the time, for that reason.
But it can be a real problem if you end up in hospital with
nothing else to do except day time TV etc. Fuck that.
> But if I did I'd probably use the local library or book exchange.
It aint that easy when you're in hospital. The second last time
20 years ago I nearly went mad with boredom hundreds of
miles from home with nothing to read for a couple of weeks.
Fortunately most recently it wasnt as bad, when they wouldnt
even let me get out of bed for a piss, one of the neighbours
could show up with a big pile of books, and I chose to have
a big bag of books and fuck all else in the air ambulance
where they only allow you to have a single bag total 5KG.
Much more convenient to have one of those electronic
books with a few thousand books on it instead.
> Still, I like the look of a personal library in my study.
Sure, and I do have immense piles of books, but its much
more practical to have thousands in electronic form than
to pay $30 each. Specially as my memory is so good
that I cant read them again for 20+ years, and never
watch movies or docos more than oncefor the same reason.
>>> Or sitting outside on the patio reading the morning paper.
>> Some of us moved on from that to reading those online instead.
> Yep, I do too, especially when you want to catch up on the latest
> news. But for simply relaxing while having breakfast, reading the
> paper is a great way to start the day, whether it's on the patio
> by the pool, if it's a nice morning, or catching the morning sun
> in the family room next to the fire if it's a cold winter's day.
I only do that when in hospital now and my current rate is once every 20+ years.
And I watch recorded TV when bottling the beer, its a bit too boring and
takes about an hour or so to bottle a batch, much more enjoyable watching
what the PVR recorded on a wireless laptop next to the bottling and
updating the beer database on that laptop as each box of stubbys is filled etc.
Thats an ideal electronic book reader too.
Main problem is that even the most recent major capital city hospital
still doesnt have wifi, even if you're prepared to pay for that, let alone
the local base hospital. NextG would be quite viable in that situation tho.
>>> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them "books"....
>> And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to download a few thousand books in electronic format for
>> free and read them on something like that.
> Yes, I was right. Rod's poor.
The reason I'm not poor is that I'm not actually stupid enough
to piss $30+ per day against the wall on physical books.
> Not just poor, but a thief to boot.
Its no more stealing than getting the book from the library is, fuckwit.
>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a
>>> good (and real) book.
>> I burn them up at better than one a day, so the old
>> fashioned format at say $30 each gets a tad expensive.
<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
>>> Or sitting outside on the patio reading the morning paper.
>> Some of us moved on from that to reading those online instead.
> Some of us do not see this as a progression.
Yep, there will always been fuckwit dinosaurs like you around.
I had to physically remove the card punches when fools like you
wanted to keep using them instead of something a tad more recent.
> Screen resolution, for a start, makes reading and endurance more difficult.
Only for the fools that cant manage to use what font they prefer.
Buy and old PPC (or a new sexy phone) and load it up with MSREADER and a few
hundred books and give it a go. Some of the good things about these devices
are..........
When reading in bed at night you can do so with the light off as most of
these devices have back lights so when done reading just turn it off and go
to sleep. Also when you wake the next day you don't have to read half a
chapter again to find where you were at because the device resumes from last
page read.
Another great feature about an "eBook" is that when you are reading while
lying down you don't have to roll over and change sides when you change
pages.
You can also read easily with one hand while doing something else with your
other hand.
Install avantgo and have the news updated for free each day. When I go to a
coffee shop and read a real paper I find most of it I have read and the rest
I wish I had missed.
:-P
> Buy and old PPC (or a new sexy phone) and load it up with MSREADER and a few hundred books and give it a go. Some of
> the good things about these devices are..........
> When reading in bed at night you can do so with the light off as most of these devices have back lights so when done
> reading just turn it off and go to sleep.
Yeah, I do it that way during mains failures, read ebooks on the laptop like that.
Currently about half way thru Slick's memoirs.
> Also when you wake the next day you don't have
> to read half a chapter again to find where you were at because the device resumes from last page read.
> Another great feature about an "eBook" is that when you are reading while lying down you don't have to roll over and
> change sides when you change pages.
Yep.
> You can also read easily with one hand while doing something else with your other hand.
We'll leave that to you.
> Install avantgo and have the news updated for free each day. When I go to a coffee shop and read a real paper I find
> most of it I have read and the rest I wish I had missed.
> :-P
I've never bothered with coffee shops, and dont even bother
with coffee at home anymore, just water and beer/grog.
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:56:34 +1100, Cerberus
<styx.sentinel.PAY@FERRYMAN.gmail.com> wrote:
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztec...kindle-ebook-r
>>> eader/2007/11/20/1195321728246.html
>>
>>> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them
>>> "books"....
>>
>> And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to download
>> a few thousand books in electronic format for free and read them on
>> something like that.
>>
>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
>>> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and real)
>>> book.
>>
>> I burn them up at better than one a day,
>
>Is that because you are a completely unemployable dole bludger with
>nothing better to do than troll usenet all day?
Got it in 1..
>Or is it simply because
>you are in fact reading Dr Seuss titles at slightly better than a first
>grade level?
> Buy and old PPC (or a new sexy phone) and load it up with MSREADER and a few
> hundred books and give it a go. Some of the good things about these devices
> are..........
It would have to be a PPC with a large screen. And that would make it
inconvenient, anyway.
> When reading in bed at night you can do so with the light off as most of
Dunno why this is an advantage. It's not hard to turn a beside light on and off.
> to sleep. Also when you wake the next day you don't have to read half a
> chapter again to find where you were at because the device resumes from last
> page read.
I use a device called a "bookmark". Works well, too.
> Another great feature about an "eBook" is that when you are reading while
> lying down you don't have to roll over and change sides when you change
> pages.
What????
> You can also read easily with one hand while doing something else with your
> other hand.
Too much information.
> Install avantgo and have the news updated for free each day. When I go to a
I tried that. It made the Treo crawl and would give the usual Windows "task has
stopped responding" messages. For that reason alone, I regret moving to a PDA
with WM5 on it. It's a pity that Palm moved over to the dark side and away from
PalmOS. My Zire 71 never missed a beat in the years that I've owned it. Ditto
for the IIIxe that it replaced.
Andy wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:56:34 +1100, Cerberus
> <styx.sentinel.PAY@FERRYMAN.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztec...kindle-ebook-r
>>>> eader/2007/11/20/1195321728246.html
>>>
>>>> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them
>>>> "books"....
>>>
>>> And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to download
>>> a few thousand books in electronic format for free and read them on
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
>>>> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and real)
>>>> book.
>>>
>>> I burn them up at better than one a day,
>>
>> Is that because you are a completely unemployable dole bludger with
>> nothing better to do than troll usenet all day?
>
> Got it in 1..
>
>> Or is it simply because
>> you are in fact reading Dr Seuss titles at slightly better than a
>> first grade level?
>
> Hope that helps.
If I had of known that reading Dr Seuss books, is responsible for angry
little man syndrome, then I would have banned my kids from reading them
years ago.
Luckily, those books are not as popular as they used to be.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qh866F101uu4U1@mid.individual.net...
> It aint that easy when you're in hospital. The second last time
> 20 years ago I nearly went mad with boredom hundreds of
> miles from home with nothing to read for a couple of weeks.
>
They let you have books in the psych ward now, Roddles?
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qhehgFvshmeU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> I've never bothered with coffee shops, and dont even bother
> with coffee at home anymore, just water and beer/grog.
>
Well firstly it's not like anyone would WANT to have coffee with you, dear
Roddles, and secondly I imagine the beer/grog doesn't go well with your
medication.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qh8g1FvououU1@mid.individual.net...
> mattic <this@wontwork.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>
>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztec...321728246.html
>
>>>> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them "books"....
>
>>> And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to download a
>>> few thousand books in electronic format for free and read them on
>>> something like that.
>
>> Yes, I was right. Rod's poor.
>
> The reason I'm not poor is that I'm not actually stupid enough
> to piss $30+ per day against the wall on physical books.
>
>> Not just poor, but a thief to boot.
>
> Its no more stealing than getting the book from the library is, fuckwit.
>
>>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me doesn't
>>>> come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and real) book.
>
>>> I burn them up at better than one a day, so the old
>>> fashioned format at say $30 each gets a tad expensive.
>
> <reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>
>
>>>> Or sitting outside on the patio reading the morning paper.
>
>>> Some of us moved on from that to reading those online instead.
>
>> Some of us do not see this as a progression.
>
> Yep, there will always been fuckwit dinosaurs like you around.
>
> I had to physically remove the card punches when fools like you
> wanted to keep using them instead of something a tad more recent.
>
>> Screen resolution, for a start, makes reading and endurance more
>> difficult.
>
> Only for the fools that cant manage to use what font they prefer.
Great! I get to use this one: Bare-faced lie. (Tick!)
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qh866F101uu4U1@mid.individual.net...
> Sure, and I do have immense piles of books, but its much
> more practical to have thousands in electronic form than
> to pay $30 each. Specially as my memory is so good
> that I cant read them again for 20+ years, and never
> watch movies or docos more than oncefor the same reason.
Don't knock masturbation, kiddies, it's sex with someone you love.
"-=Spudley=-" <-=Spudley=-@work.com> wrote in message
news:r7O0j.15315$CN4.10069@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> If I had of known that reading Dr Seuss books, is responsible for angry
> little man syndrome, then I would have banned my kids from reading them
> years ago.
> Luckily, those books are not as popular as they used to be.
>
I'm truly shocked that you are old enough to have children with the way you
behave in here....
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qiaflFuk078U1@mid.individual.net...
> mattic <this@wontwork.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't knock masturbation, kiddies, it's sex with someone you love.
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of what you get up to.
Tell me why you think that accusing someone of having a wank is an insult.
"Cerberus" <styx.sentinel.PAY@FERRYMAN.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99EFEE342730DNoneShallPass@127.0.0.1...
> "-=Spudley=-" <-=Spudley=-@work.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:56:34 +1100, Cerberus
>>> <styx.sentinel.PAY@FERRYMAN.gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztec...es-kindle-eboo
>>>>>> k-r eader/2007/11/20/1195321728246.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them
>>>>>> "books"....
>>>>>
>>>>> And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to
>>>>> download a few thousand books in electronic format for free and
>>>>> read them on something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
>>>>>> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and
>>>>>> real) book.
>>>>>
>>>>> I burn them up at better than one a day,
>>>>
>>>> Is that because you are a completely unemployable dole bludger
>>>> with nothing better to do than troll usenet all day?
>>>
>>> Got it in 1..
>>>
>>>> Or is it simply because
>>>> you are in fact reading Dr Seuss titles at slightly better than a
>>>> first grade level?
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> If I had of known that reading Dr Seuss books, is responsible for
>> angry little man syndrome, then I would have banned my kids from
>> reading them years ago.
>> Luckily, those books are not as popular as they used to be.
>
> Banned your kids from reading them? Cripes, they are often the subject
> of them! What else would you expect from the unholy union of a potato
> and a turnip?
>
>
> --
> Cerberus
>
> None Shall Pass!
That would be the reason you wouldn't have kids.
Mr, None shall pass!
The tight fisted turd.
> It would have to be a PPC with a large screen. And that would make it
> inconvenient, anyway.
>
My phone works well and I always have some books!
>> When reading in bed at night you can do so with the light off as most of
>
> Dunno why this is an advantage. It's not hard to turn a beside light on
> and off.
>
I dont need one.
>> to sleep. Also when you wake the next day you don't have to read half a
>> chapter again to find where you were at because the device resumes from
>> last
>> page read.
>
> I use a device called a "bookmark". Works well, too.
>
So long as you remember/awake to put it in and it doesnt fall out.
>> Another great feature about an "eBook" is that when you are reading while
>> lying down you don't have to roll over and change sides when you change
>> pages.
>
> What????
>
Try reading a book while on your side.
>> You can also read easily with one hand while doing something else with
>> your
>> other hand.
>
> Too much information.
>
I was thinking about your comment regarding while outside on the patio and
thought about reading while eating outside in the sun.
>> Install avantgo and have the news updated for free each day. When I go to
>> a
>
> I tried that. It made the Treo crawl and would give the usual Windows
> "task has
> stopped responding" messages. For that reason alone, I regret moving to a
> PDA
> with WM5 on it. It's a pity that Palm moved over to the dark side and away
> from
> PalmOS. My Zire 71 never missed a beat in the years that I've owned it.
> Ditto
> for the IIIxe that it replaced.
>
Isnt Treo PALM?
I havnt used WM5 though have had PPC in diffrent formats for years and love
them!
Found them very reliable and have all the software I need.
One thing is a lot of PPC that are sold dont have enough memorey so go and
buy a SD and throw that in.
Another option people go for (not me) is audio books. Plenty to download
aparently.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qjfthF10drt5U1@mid.individual.net...
> mattic <this@wontwork.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> mattic <this@wontwork.com> wrote
>
>>>> Don't knock masturbation, kiddies, it's sex with someone you love.
>
>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of what you get up to.
>
>> Tell me why you think that accusing someone of having a wank is an
>> insult.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, wanker.
> > I use a device called a "bookmark". Works well, too.
> So long as you remember/awake to put it in and it doesnt fall out.
It's not that hard to do, actually. Certainly simpler than say, operating an
e-book.
> Try reading a book while on your side.
When in bed it's how I read.
> I was thinking about your comment regarding while outside on the patio and
> thought about reading while eating outside in the sun.
Holding a book open with one hand isn't hard. In any case, I tend to read the
newspaper which, if it's the Age, may be spread out over the patio table.
> Isnt Treo PALM?
The Treo 750 runs WM5.
> One thing is a lot of PPC that are sold dont have enough memorey so go and
> buy a SD and throw that in.
It has a 1 gig mini-SD card. Unfortunately the Treo can't access it. Apparently
there may be a factory flaw with the unit. I won't know til I get another card
to try in it. Whatever, the unit can see the card but it can't see any of its
contents, other than the folders. And if, for example, I take a photo the Treo
can't save it to the card. Rather, it needs to be configured for Main Memory.
"Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4nd9k3hgdtgbhckkuia5ugtlih7cek0rup@martz_57.c om...
>
> It has a 1 gig mini-SD card. Unfortunately the Treo can't access it.
> Apparently
> there may be a factory flaw with the unit. I won't know til I get another
> card
> to try in it. Whatever, the unit can see the card but it can't see any of
> its
> contents, other than the folders. And if, for example, I take a photo the
> Treo
> can't save it to the card. Rather, it needs to be configured for Main
> Memory.
>
> > can't save it to the card. Rather, it needs to be configured for Main
> > Memory.
> >
>
> Have you formatted it from the device?
No. It was working fine for a while. Then I needed to take a photo of something.
It was then that I discovered that there was something wrong with it.
The folders are there and can be seen but their contents appear to have
disappeared. But if I try to write something, say a photo, to the card it aborts
with an error.
"-=Spudley=-" <-=Spudley=-@work.com> wrote in message
news:r7O0j.15315$CN4.10069@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
>>>>> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and real)
>>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> I burn them up at better than one a day,
>>>
>>> Is that because you are a completely unemployable dole bludger with
>>> nothing better to do than troll usenet all day?
>>
>> Got it in 1..
>>
>>> Or is it simply because
>>> you are in fact reading Dr Seuss titles at slightly better than a
>>> first grade level?
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>
> If I had of known that reading Dr Seuss books, is responsible for angry
> little man syndrome, then I would have banned my kids from reading them
> years ago.
You're breeding now?
If I had seen that coming (and I truly never imagined such a thing might
ever be possible) I know what I would have banned...
> Luckily, those books are not as popular as they used to be.
No prizes for guessing what story you've graduated to...
"Cerberus" <styx.sentinel.PAY@FERRYMAN.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99EFEE342730DNoneShallPass@127.0.0.1...
> "-=Spudley=-" <-=Spudley=-@work.com> wrote:
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:56:34 +1100, Cerberus
>>> <styx.sentinel.PAY@FERRYMAN.gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Marts <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztec...es-kindle-eboo
>>>>>> k-r eader/2007/11/20/1195321728246.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, a "portable" reader. Gee, back in my day we called them
>>>>>> "books"....
>>>>>
>>>>> And then the world moved on and its much more convenient to
>>>>> download a few thousand books in electronic format for free and
>>>>> read them on something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
>>>>>> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and
>>>>>> real) book.
>>>>>
>>>>> I burn them up at better than one a day,
>>>>
>>>> Is that because you are a completely unemployable dole bludger
>>>> with nothing better to do than troll usenet all day?
>>>
>>> Got it in 1..
>>>
>>>> Or is it simply because
>>>> you are in fact reading Dr Seuss titles at slightly better than a
>>>> first grade level?
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> If I had of known that reading Dr Seuss books, is responsible for
>> angry little man syndrome, then I would have banned my kids from
>> reading them years ago.
>> Luckily, those books are not as popular as they used to be.
>
> Banned your kids from reading them? Cripes, they are often the subject
> of them! What else would you expect from the unholy union of a potato
> and a turnip?
ROFL!
I can't believe someone else was pondering the exact same thing as me!
Truly, Steven's legacy is secured...
--
"I'm a turnip fucker" - Steven "Spudley" Campbell
"-=Spudley=-" <-=Spudley=-@work.com> wrote in message
news:uDV0j.15495$CN4.13550@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>>> Dunno about you guys, but mobile comms and book reading to me
>>>>>>> doesn't come close to actually snuggling up with a good (and
>>>>>>> real) book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I burn them up at better than one a day,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that because you are a completely unemployable dole bludger
>>>>> with nothing better to do than troll usenet all day?
>>>>
>>>> Got it in 1..
>>>>
>>>>> Or is it simply because
>>>>> you are in fact reading Dr Seuss titles at slightly better than a
>>>>> first grade level?
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> If I had of known that reading Dr Seuss books, is responsible for
>>> angry little man syndrome, then I would have banned my kids from
>>> reading them years ago.
>>> Luckily, those books are not as popular as they used to be.
>>
>> Banned your kids from reading them? Cripes, they are often the subject
>> of them! What else would you expect from the unholy union of a potato
>> and a turnip?
>>
>> --
>> Cerberus
>>
>> None Shall Pass!
>
> That would be the reason you wouldn't have kids.
> Mr, None shall pass!
> The tight fisted turd.
Presumably the only purpose of that post was to prove that reading isn't the
only pursuit that can be accomplished by an adult at a first grade level...
You really should try to limit your intellectual jousting to people (or
woodland critters, NYE bots and vegetables) in your own weight division...
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- Sensing yet another imminent usenet mauling...
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