On 2008-03-05, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:30:30 -0000, Chris Mattern wrote:
>
>> On 2008-03-05, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back doors in
>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to get by
>>
>> Linux is not a protocol, standard or otherwise.
>
> To a Linux advocacy loon:
>
> A. Linux is the kernel.
> B. Except when Linux is not the kernel.
>
> Pick either A or B depending upon what argument you are involved in and
> which one suits your POV at the moment.
>
Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
airplane as being a flight plan.
--
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On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:39:47 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:54:19 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>> plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back doors in
>>>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to get by
>>>>> unless you are a security professional (I'm not). What about hardware-based
>>>>> hacks [5] (in which case "Intel" might be just an abbreviation)? Remember that
>>>>> they just need to sniff packets and then decrypt successfully in order to gain
>>>>> remote access.
>>>> Finally a mature response. I was beginning to think I was dealing with
>>>> 11-year-olds.
>>> If you don't think the NSA (or anybody else) gets into your computer,
>>> how about this, my experience so far. I used a torrent engine to
>>> download 'Dreamgirls' for my daughter. What I got was a crappy copy and
>>> a nasty e-mail from the MPAA police.
>>
>> Maybe you should have considered paying for it?
>
> Idiot. Then I would have bought a junk movie.
Why not just steal like you did the Dreamgirls movie?
A great example you set for your daughter.
>>> About 30 years ago I got a visit from 2 FBI gorillas in $1,000 suits
>>> knocking on my door (at home, 8:00 P.M.) for a very minor infraction of
>>> FCC regulations, and they gave me a pink ticket and a warning that if I
>>> dot another warning it would be a RED ticket. The RED ticket is one step
>>> from having you license pulled for a year.
>>
>> FBI agents don't make enough money to afford $1,000 suits.
>> Perhaps you meant $100.00 suits?
>
> More like $1,000 suits when they go calling on people.
Not quite.
Most of the people they are calling on wouldn't know the difference between
a $1000.00 suit and a $100.00 suit.
Especially someone with violations like you evidently had.
IOW you are a very small fish.
>> Sounds like you are an Amateur Radio operator who was violating FCC
>> regulations.
>> Maybe more than 100 percent modulation or something like that.
>>
>> Rex Ballard is this you?
>> Rex is a HAM as well.
>
> And you are an idiot. I am not a HAM operator and never have been.
> The license was for a first class radiotelephone engineer with shipboard
> radar endorsement. That was required for me to work on transmitters.
Even worse.
As a professional you should know better.
>>
>>> If you don't think the FBI monitors your activities just write something
>>> that says "A$$a$$inate p-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t 'WEED'" in it and wait for the
>>> FBI at your door.
>>> I'm not paranoid, I have been hassled over trivial stuff.
>>> A few years back, like 2004 (I think) I was detained by both DHS and FBI
>>> agents on duty at Beale A.F.B. for riding my bike on a PUBLIC road and
>>> taking a few pictures with me 1.2 M Pixel fixed focus el-cheapo camera.
>>
>> I guess you were too young to read the signs that are invariably around
>> places like AFB, Nuke facilities and more recently since 9-11 bridges,
>> tunnels, skyscrapers etc that say "Photography Prohibited".
>
> 59 is too young? I have time to read ALL signs at bicycle speed and
> there were none since I was at a back entrance and they only keep
> private planes and a few A-10 Warthogs and some KC-135's.
Some people never learn to read.
You might be one of them.
So you didn't read the signs.
That's your problem.
Do you also complain to the highway patrol that because the 55 mph speed
limit signs go by so fast you can't read them and that's why you were going
90 mph?
>>
>>> Even after proving I was born here, 3rd generation, they held me for a
>>> local Sheriff to pick me up and take me straight home with the bike
>>> loosely in his trunk.
>>> They do it because they can.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> Yea they can and they will, but you can avoid it by being honest.
>> It's like the loons that trespass at Area 51 and ignore the signs that
>> prohibit trespassing.
>> When the goons come for them they cry like you are doing.
>>
> The 'goons' have harassed me enough to prove that it is really 'because
> they can', from personal experience. I rode to the end of a gate road
> that had been 'dead ended' by a chain link fence and 2 guys, 1 DHS and
> the other CIA pulled up and asked me what I was doing there. I reminded
> them that I was riding a friggin' bicycle and I was taking a refreshment
> break, on MY side of the fence, and they finally went away.
Good for you.
I'm surprised they didn't cite you for not having enough air in your tires.
> It's real, even if you haven't been on the receiving end.
> Bill Baka
I am rarely on the receiving end, as you put it, but evidently you have,
mostly due to your own stupidity and BTW I don't doubt this happened, at
least some version of it, but you are your own worst enemy.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:20:34 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> ____/ Chris Mattern on Wednesday 05 March 2008 16:30 : \____
>
>> On 2008-03-05, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back doors in
>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to get by
>>
>> Linux is not a protocol, standard or otherwise.
>
> A kernel does not make an operating platform complete, either. The question
> about 2.4 fallback is irrelevant here, but the argument still stands.
Linux is the kernel.
Linux is not the kernel.
You Linux dweebs change your arguments more than you change your panties.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:13:52 -0000, Chris Mattern wrote:
> On 2008-03-05, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:30:30 -0000, Chris Mattern wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-03-05, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back doors in
>>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to get by
>>>
>>> Linux is not a protocol, standard or otherwise.
>>
>> To a Linux advocacy loon:
>>
>> A. Linux is the kernel.
>> B. Except when Linux is not the kernel.
>>
>> Pick either A or B depending upon what argument you are involved in and
>> which one suits your POV at the moment.
>>
> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
> airplane as being a flight plan.
You are correct, I agree with you.
I was merely using an illustration to demonstrate how Roy Schestowitz is
going to squirm and try and twist this one all over the place.
BTW would you like to hear Roy Schestowitz discussing OOXML vs ODF?
Here you go!
Click on the podcast.
It's a real eye opener.
plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I've learned that there are bits of NSA's SELinux in various
> places in kernel 2.6. How can I be sure that Big Brother isn't
> using back doors or bugs to break into my computer?
> Especially with all the illegal spying done these days...
> How much safer would it be to just switch back to 2.4 or 2.5?
As someone who has lurked on the Linux Kernel Mailing List for
quite a few years, I can assure you that the whole 'many eyes'
argument in favor of Linux's open source nature is absolutely
true. While not a 100% guarantee, it makes it very unlikely that
purposeful security backdoors would survive peer review. It is
much more likely that a closed source operating system, with its
budget constraints and release date pressures, would let
something like that slip through.
Also, keep in mind that Linux, with its popularity as an embedded
OS in the safety conscious aerospace, automotive, and medical
technology industries, has been put through some rather rigorous
source code audits (some mandated by the government) even over
and above the usual scrutiny by the core kernel hackers.
I've no worries about the 2.6 kernel.
Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.
> <seppi@seppig.de>
> wrote
> on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:46:40 +0100
> <6384laF26l55mU1@mid.dfncis.de>:
>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> They do it because they can.
>>>> They don't do it because they can't.
>>> Do you ever get out??
>>> Just because you personally haven't gotten harassed by the government
>>> doesn't mean they aren't watching you.
>>
>> No. You were claiming that they're accessing people's computers
>> at the time, by an included backdoor. And that's obviously nonsense.
How do you know for sure? The government can easily tell them to include
a piece of code for them to use, and if it can be abused the government
will abuse it, Republicans or Democrats.
>
> Not as obvious as one might think. I'd have to look to
> see how BitTorrent works but my understanding is that a
> daemon uses surplus bandwidth, for example.
>
My point was that if the MPAA is allowed access to tracker information
so easily at demonoid.com then they would definitely give it to the
feds. The X-Files had it right, "Trust no one.".
Bill Baka
BTW, most of us hate cross posting so for the record I am on
comp.os.linux.setup.
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.
> <seppi@seppig.de>
> wrote
> on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:46:40 +0100
> <6384laF26l55mU1@mid.dfncis.de>:
>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> They do it because they can.
>>>> They don't do it because they can't.
>>> Do you ever get out??
>>> Just because you personally haven't gotten harassed by the government
>>> doesn't mean they aren't watching you.
>>
>> No. You were claiming that they're accessing people's computers
>> at the time, by an included backdoor. And that's obviously nonsense.
>
> Not as obvious as one might think.
None of the things you mentioned gives any evidence that such a thing is
happening.
> I'd have to look to see how BitTorrent works but my understanding is that
> a daemon uses surplus bandwidth, for example.
Which is an obvious instance of the reasons why one shouldn't use untrusted
software. The BitTorrent client from Bram Cohen became untrustworthy when he
decided to cooperate with the media mafia.
Chris Mattern wrote:
> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
> airplane as being a flight plan.
>
I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
to hijack me, good luck.
Bill Baka
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:39:47 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:54:19 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>
>>>> plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back doors in
>>>>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to get by
>>>>>> unless you are a security professional (I'm not). What about hardware-based
>>>>>> hacks [5] (in which case "Intel" might be just an abbreviation)? Remember that
>>>>>> they just need to sniff packets and then decrypt successfully in order to gain
>>>>>> remote access.
>>>>> Finally a mature response. I was beginning to think I was dealing with
>>>>> 11-year-olds.
>>>> If you don't think the NSA (or anybody else) gets into your computer,
>>>> how about this, my experience so far. I used a torrent engine to
>>>> download 'Dreamgirls' for my daughter. What I got was a crappy copy and
>>>> a nasty e-mail from the MPAA police.
>>> Maybe you should have considered paying for it?
>> Idiot. Then I would have bought a junk movie.
>
> Why not just steal like you did the Dreamgirls movie?
I thought it stunk, and I don't steal movies. All I have to do is wait
3-6 months and they are either on television or DVD rentals.
>
> A great example you set for your daughter.
I download Doctor Who and Torchwood from BBC. Doctor Who is on Sci-Fi
but Torchwood is on a digital channel I can't get.
I spent over $3,000 a few years back buying 3 sets of 27" NTSC
televisions, VCR's, and DVD players (NTSC only), so I am not hurrying to
buy 3 HDTV setups or converters.
>
>>>> About 30 years ago I got a visit from 2 FBI gorillas in $1,000 suits
>>>> knocking on my door (at home, 8:00 P.M.) for a very minor infraction of
>>>> FCC regulations, and they gave me a pink ticket and a warning that if I
>>>> dot another warning it would be a RED ticket. The RED ticket is one step
>>>> from having you license pulled for a year.
>>> FBI agents don't make enough money to afford $1,000 suits.
>>> Perhaps you meant $100.00 suits?
>> More like $1,000 suits when they go calling on people.
>
> Not quite.
> Most of the people they are calling on wouldn't know the difference between
> a $1000.00 suit and a $100.00 suit.
I would. I deal with suit crowd more than I like. Sweats are fine for me
to work in at home.
> Especially someone with violations like you evidently had.
> IOW you are a very small fish.
I'm such small fish I am wondering why they bothered at all.
>
>
>>> Sounds like you are an Amateur Radio operator who was violating FCC
>>> regulations.
>>> Maybe more than 100 percent modulation or something like that.
>>>
>>> Rex Ballard is this you?
>>> Rex is a HAM as well.
>> And you are an idiot. I am not a HAM operator and never have been.
>> The license was for a first class radiotelephone engineer with shipboard
>> radar endorsement. That was required for me to work on transmitters.
>
> Even worse.
> As a professional you should know better.
My boss asked (err, told) me to install that setup since the guy was a
major customer. He owned 12 charter boats and bought all his electronics
at the place I worked. Since he assured the boss that he would only be
monitoring his charter boats for an emergency, it was a go. The customer
was yakking all over Silicon Valley like a kid with a cell phone and
when he got nailed by the FCC he lied and told them we said it was OK.
>
>
>
>>>> If you don't think the FBI monitors your activities just write something
>>>> that says "A$$a$$inate p-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t 'WEED'" in it and wait for the
>>>> FBI at your door.
>>>> I'm not paranoid, I have been hassled over trivial stuff.
>>>> A few years back, like 2004 (I think) I was detained by both DHS and FBI
>>>> agents on duty at Beale A.F.B. for riding my bike on a PUBLIC road and
>>>> taking a few pictures with me 1.2 M Pixel fixed focus el-cheapo camera.
>>> I guess you were too young to read the signs that are invariably around
>>> places like AFB, Nuke facilities and more recently since 9-11 bridges,
>>> tunnels, skyscrapers etc that say "Photography Prohibited".
>> 59 is too young? I have time to read ALL signs at bicycle speed and
>> there were none since I was at a back entrance and they only keep
>> private planes and a few A-10 Warthogs and some KC-135's.
>
> Some people never learn to read.
> You might be one of them.
600+ words per minute, a little slower upside down or in a mirror.
My dad was a printer/proofreader so he brought home things like the
print plates after an overnight printing run.
>
> So you didn't read the signs.
> That's your problem.
IDIOT.
There are no signs, except on the fence that says "Do not trespass".
That means if you climb the fence you can be shot.
That means the highway is a public road and not under their jurisdiction.
Again....IDIOT.
>
> Do you also complain to the highway patrol that because the 55 mph speed
> limit signs go by so fast you can't read them and that's why you were going
> 90 mph?
On a bicycle? I wish! I haven't driven a car for 1.5 years, by choice.
Gas prices = bad.
Exercise = good.
>
>>>> Even after proving I was born here, 3rd generation, they held me for a
>>>> local Sheriff to pick me up and take me straight home with the bike
>>>> loosely in his trunk.
>>>> They do it because they can.
>>>> Bill Baka
>>> Yea they can and they will, but you can avoid it by being honest.
>>> It's like the loons that trespass at Area 51 and ignore the signs that
>>> prohibit trespassing.
>>> When the goons come for them they cry like you are doing.
>>>
>> The 'goons' have harassed me enough to prove that it is really 'because
>> they can', from personal experience. I rode to the end of a gate road
>> that had been 'dead ended' by a chain link fence and 2 guys, 1 DHS and
>> the other CIA pulled up and asked me what I was doing there. I reminded
>> them that I was riding a friggin' bicycle and I was taking a refreshment
>> break, on MY side of the fence, and they finally went away.
>
> Good for you.
> I'm surprised they didn't cite you for not having enough air in your tires.
Not their problem.
>
>> It's real, even if you haven't been on the receiving end.
>> Bill Baka
>
> I am rarely on the receiving end, as you put it, but evidently you have,
> mostly due to your own stupidity and BTW I don't doubt this happened, at
> least some version of it, but you are your own worst enemy.
>
Again, IDIOT!
Beale AFB is over 10 square miles, maybe a lot more and they are
directly in the way of the mountains I like to ride in.
All the roads to get around are bordered by their fence, with signs.
Too far OT, and this damn thing is cross-posted.
Bill Baka
> Chris Mattern wrote:
>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>
> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
> to hijack me, good luck.
> Bill Baka
>
Lovely. The old a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing once
more.
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:56:40 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
> Chris Mattern wrote:
>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>
> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
> to hijack me, good luck.
> Bill Baka
So?
Assuming you are on broadband, there is traffic on your node.
Probably some kid down the road with a Quake server.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Sebastian G. wrote:
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.
>> <seppi@seppig.de>
>> wrote
>> on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:46:40 +0100
>> <6384laF26l55mU1@mid.dfncis.de>:
>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> They do it because they can.
>>>>> They don't do it because they can't.
>>>> Do you ever get out??
>>>> Just because you personally haven't gotten harassed by the
>>>> government doesn't mean they aren't watching you.
>>>
>>> No. You were claiming that they're accessing people's computers
>>> at the time, by an included backdoor. And that's obviously nonsense.
>>
>> Not as obvious as one might think.
>
>
> None of the things you mentioned gives any evidence that such a thing is
> happening.
Like they would leave evidence?
>
> > I'd have to look to see how BitTorrent works but my understanding is
> that
> > a daemon uses surplus bandwidth, for example.
>
> Which is an obvious instance of the reasons why one shouldn't use
> untrusted software. The BitTorrent client from Bram Cohen became
> untrustworthy when he decided to cooperate with the media mafia.
>
>
>
So far I haven't used BitTorrent, just Ktorrent and utorrent.
I'm starting to play with Azureus but haven't downloaded anything with
it yet.
I have all the music I could ever want or listen to so I don't download
MP3 files, only the odd something I may want to check out.
As to the bandwidth, Ktorrent sucks up all it can get and it really
messes up my mail and news, and even my browser (Firefox).
Never underestimate the government. Who do you think hires the best and
brightest?
Bill Baka
Hadron wrote:
> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> Chris Mattern wrote:
>>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>>
>> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
>> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
>> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
>> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
>> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
>> to hijack me, good luck.
>> Bill Baka
>>
>
> Lovely. The old a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing once
> more.
>
> "any internet stuff running". LOL.
Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:56:40 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>
>> Chris Mattern wrote:
>>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>>
>> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
>> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
>> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
>> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
>> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
>> to hijack me, good luck.
>> Bill Baka
>
> So?
>
> Assuming you are on broadband, there is traffic on your node.
> Probably some kid down the road with a Quake server.
>
>
>
>
The Internet light blinks all the time, day and night, but I think that
is just a 'keep alive' ping.
I was talking about my Ethernet light to my computer where the server
NIC should block even more junk. If my Ethernet light is busy that
probably means someone is trying to hack me or maybe just anybody on the
system that responds. It doesn't get into my computer, AFAIK.
Bill Baka
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:20:07 -0800, Bill Baka wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:39:47 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:54:19 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back doors in
>>>>>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to get by
>>>>>>> unless you are a security professional (I'm not). What about hardware-based
>>>>>>> hacks [5] (in which case "Intel" might be just an abbreviation)? Remember that
>>>>>>> they just need to sniff packets and then decrypt successfully in order to gain
>>>>>>> remote access.
>>>>>> Finally a mature response. I was beginning to think I was dealing with
>>>>>> 11-year-olds.
>>>>> If you don't think the NSA (or anybody else) gets into your computer,
>>>>> how about this, my experience so far. I used a torrent engine to
>>>>> download 'Dreamgirls' for my daughter. What I got was a crappy copy and
>>>>> a nasty e-mail from the MPAA police.
>>>> Maybe you should have considered paying for it?
>>> Idiot. Then I would have bought a junk movie.
>>
>> Why not just steal like you did the Dreamgirls movie?
>
> I thought it stunk, and I don't steal movies. All I have to do is wait
> 3-6 months and they are either on television or DVD rentals.
So why did you download an illegal copy?
You don't think that is stealing?
Hint: It doesn't matter if the movie stinks.
>> A great example you set for your daughter.
>
> I download Doctor Who and Torchwood from BBC. Doctor Who is on Sci-Fi
> but Torchwood is on a digital channel I can't get.
> I spent over $3,000 a few years back buying 3 sets of 27" NTSC
> televisions, VCR's, and DVD players (NTSC only), so I am not hurrying to
> buy 3 HDTV setups or converters.
Why?
>>>>> About 30 years ago I got a visit from 2 FBI gorillas in $1,000 suits
>>>>> knocking on my door (at home, 8:00 P.M.) for a very minor infraction of
>>>>> FCC regulations, and they gave me a pink ticket and a warning that if I
>>>>> dot another warning it would be a RED ticket. The RED ticket is one step
>>>>> from having you license pulled for a year.
>>>> FBI agents don't make enough money to afford $1,000 suits.
>>>> Perhaps you meant $100.00 suits?
>>> More like $1,000 suits when they go calling on people.
>>
>> Not quite.
>> Most of the people they are calling on wouldn't know the difference between
>> a $1000.00 suit and a $100.00 suit.
>
> I would. I deal with suit crowd more than I like. Sweats are fine for me
> to work in at home.
Maybe they heard you were a suit man and up dressed for the occasion.
Stuff like that gets around you know.
>> Especially someone with violations like you evidently had.
>> IOW you are a very small fish.
>
> I'm such small fish I am wondering why they bothered at all.
Maybe there is more to the story?
>>
>>>> Sounds like you are an Amateur Radio operator who was violating FCC
>>>> regulations.
>>>> Maybe more than 100 percent modulation or something like that.
>>>>
>>>> Rex Ballard is this you?
>>>> Rex is a HAM as well.
>>> And you are an idiot. I am not a HAM operator and never have been.
>>> The license was for a first class radiotelephone engineer with shipboard
>>> radar endorsement. That was required for me to work on transmitters.
>>
>> Even worse.
>> As a professional you should know better.
>
> My boss asked (err, told) me to install that setup since the guy was a
> major customer. He owned 12 charter boats and bought all his electronics
> at the place I worked. Since he assured the boss that he would only be
> monitoring his charter boats for an emergency, it was a go. The customer
> was yakking all over Silicon Valley like a kid with a cell phone and
> when he got nailed by the FCC he lied and told them we said it was OK.
Of course you had a rider to your contract which stipulated the above?
I know you'll answer yes, but I doubt you did.
>>
>>
>>>>> If you don't think the FBI monitors your activities just write something
>>>>> that says "A$$a$$inate p-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t 'WEED'" in it and wait for the
>>>>> FBI at your door.
>>>>> I'm not paranoid, I have been hassled over trivial stuff.
>>>>> A few years back, like 2004 (I think) I was detained by both DHS and FBI
>>>>> agents on duty at Beale A.F.B. for riding my bike on a PUBLIC road and
>>>>> taking a few pictures with me 1.2 M Pixel fixed focus el-cheapo camera.
>>>> I guess you were too young to read the signs that are invariably around
>>>> places like AFB, Nuke facilities and more recently since 9-11 bridges,
>>>> tunnels, skyscrapers etc that say "Photography Prohibited".
>>> 59 is too young? I have time to read ALL signs at bicycle speed and
>>> there were none since I was at a back entrance and they only keep
>>> private planes and a few A-10 Warthogs and some KC-135's.
>>
>> Some people never learn to read.
>> You might be one of them.
>
> 600+ words per minute, a little slower upside down or in a mirror.
> My dad was a printer/proofreader so he brought home things like the
> print plates after an overnight printing run.
That sounds pretty cool!
My dad was a pilot for a major airline.
He didn't bring planes home but we got to fly anywhere for free+sales tax.
>> So you didn't read the signs.
>> That's your problem.
>
> IDIOT.
> There are no signs, except on the fence that says "Do not trespass".
> That means if you climb the fence you can be shot.
No it means, get out of there fast!
Especially in today's hyper sensitive LE environment...
IOW use some common sense.
> That means the highway is a public road and not under their jurisdiction.
> Again....IDIOT.
Let's see:
You steal movies for your kid and get caught.
You do a job for an idiot and he gets you in trouble.
You get harassed for hanging out, with a camera BTW, where you just maybe
should not be.
And you're calling *ME* an idiot?
That's a good one!
>> Do you also complain to the highway patrol that because the 55 mph speed
>> limit signs go by so fast you can't read them and that's why you were going
>> 90 mph?
>
> On a bicycle? I wish! I haven't driven a car for 1.5 years, by choice.
> Gas prices = bad.
> Exercise = good.
True..
Better learn to pedal faster though if you are going to frequent places
where you might get shot at.
I can hear it now:
" Gee Sargent, all I wanted to do was take a picture of that funny looking
aircraft over there so I could use it for a background on my Linux
machine's screen saver."
> Again, IDIOT!
See above.
I'd learn to pedal faster and leave the camera home.
> Beale AFB is over 10 square miles, maybe a lot more and they are
> directly in the way of the mountains I like to ride in.
> All the roads to get around are bordered by their fence, with signs.
> Too far OT, and this damn thing is cross-posted.
> Bill Baka
So?
You can drive over the Verrazano Bridge for $10.00 all day long.
Stop and take a picture and you very well might find yourself in jail.
And oh yea, the sign is the size of a postage stamp, well not really, but
very small.
> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> Chris Mattern wrote:
>>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>>
>> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
>> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
>> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
>> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
>> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
>> to hijack me, good luck.
>> Bill Baka
>>
>
> Lovely. The old a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing once
> more.
>
> "any internet stuff running". LOL.
It's traffic on his node.....
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>> None of the things you mentioned gives any evidence that such a thing is
>> happening.
>
> Like they would leave evidence?
You claimed that they're accessing people's computers, and you presented
many things that were perfectly possible and most likely done without
accessing your computer at all.
So unless you can present any evidence, there's no reason why these things
should be assumed to be related to any computer intrusion whatsoever.
> So far I haven't used BitTorrent, just Ktorrent and utorrent.
uTorrent has been bought by Cohen's company, so any versions released after
this date should be considered as compromised.
> Never underestimate the government. Who do you think hires the best and
> brightest?
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:38:52 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:56:40 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Mattern wrote:
>>>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>>>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>>>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>>>
>>> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
>>> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
>>> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
>>> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
>>> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
>>> to hijack me, good luck.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> So?
>>
>> Assuming you are on broadband, there is traffic on your node.
>> Probably some kid down the road with a Quake server.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The Internet light blinks all the time, day and night, but I think that
> is just a 'keep alive' ping.
> I was talking about my Ethernet light to my computer where the server
> NIC should block even more junk. If my Ethernet light is busy that
> probably means someone is trying to hack me or maybe just anybody on the
> system that responds. It doesn't get into my computer, AFAIK.
> Bill Baka
So run Ethereal or some other packet sniffer on it and see what's going on.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:38:52 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:56:40 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Mattern wrote:
>>>>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>>>>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>>>>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>>>>
>>>> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
>>>> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
>>>> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
>>>> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
>>>> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
>>>> to hijack me, good luck.
>>>> Bill Baka
>>>
>>> So?
>>>
>>> Assuming you are on broadband, there is traffic on your node.
>>> Probably some kid down the road with a Quake server.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The Internet light blinks all the time, day and night, but I think that
>> is just a 'keep alive' ping.
>> I was talking about my Ethernet light to my computer where the server
>> NIC should block even more junk. If my Ethernet light is busy that
>> probably means someone is trying to hack me or maybe just anybody on the
>> system that responds. It doesn't get into my computer, AFAIK.
>> Bill Baka
>
> So run Ethereal or some other packet sniffer on it and see what's
> going on.
> I was talking about my Ethernet light to my computer where the server
> NIC should block even more junk. If my Ethernet light is busy that
> probably means someone is trying to hack me or maybe just anybody on the
> system that responds. It doesn't get into my computer, AFAIK.
Maybe you're just too stupid to understand ARP and PPPoE?
> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:38:52 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:56:40 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Mattern wrote:
>>>>>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>>>>>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>>>>>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
>>>>> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
>>>>> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
>>>>> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
>>>>> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
>>>>> to hijack me, good luck.
>>>>> Bill Baka
>>>>
>>>> So?
>>>>
>>>> Assuming you are on broadband, there is traffic on your node.
>>>> Probably some kid down the road with a Quake server.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Internet light blinks all the time, day and night, but I think that
>>> is just a 'keep alive' ping.
>>> I was talking about my Ethernet light to my computer where the server
>>> NIC should block even more junk. If my Ethernet light is busy that
>>> probably means someone is trying to hack me or maybe just anybody on the
>>> system that responds. It doesn't get into my computer, AFAIK.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> So run Ethereal or some other packet sniffer on it and see what's
>> going on.
>
> Wireshark is a wonder.
Cool!
Never heard of it but I'll take a look.
I'm not really into these things, but I';; admit when I first got broadband
the blinking lite on the cable modem did have me a little concerned.
Now days the answer is in just about all the broadband companies FAQ.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.
<seppi@seppig.de>
wrote
on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:46:26 +0100
<638f6cF26fso2U1@mid.dfncis.de>:
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.
>> <seppi@seppig.de>
>> wrote
>> on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:46:40 +0100
>> <6384laF26l55mU1@mid.dfncis.de>:
>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> They do it because they can.
>>>>> They don't do it because they can't.
>>>> Do you ever get out??
>>>> Just because you personally haven't gotten harassed by the government
>>>> doesn't mean they aren't watching you.
>>>
>>> No. You were claiming that they're accessing people's computers
>>> at the time, by an included backdoor. And that's obviously nonsense.
>>
>> Not as obvious as one might think.
>
>
> None of the things you mentioned gives any evidence that such a thing is
> happening.
Wasn't me in any event. ;-) And I don't use BitTorrent anyway.
>
> > I'd have to look to see how BitTorrent works but my understanding is that
> > a daemon uses surplus bandwidth, for example.
>
> Which is an obvious instance of the reasons why one
> shouldn't use untrusted software.
Agreed. Of course not everyone is competent to vet software.
> The BitTorrent client from Bram Cohen became untrustworthy
> when he decided to cooperate with the media mafia.
>
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Bill Baka
<bbaka@comcast.net>
wrote
on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:38:52 GMT
<MpEzj.14737$0o7.1408@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net >:
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:56:40 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Mattern wrote:
>>>> Whether or not Linux is a kernel can be slippery, yes. But
>>>> it's not a protocol, period. That's like describing an
>>>> airplane as being a flight plan.
>>>>
>>> I do know that stuff is happening since my router's Internet light
>>> sometimes gets all 'blinky' when I don't have any Internet stuff
>>> running. It almost never gets to my hard drive since I also use a 3Com
>>> server grade card with it's own junk blocking.
>>> I don't keep anything financial on my computer so if anyone is looking
>>> to hijack me, good luck.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> So?
>>
>> Assuming you are on broadband, there is traffic on your node.
>> Probably some kid down the road with a Quake server.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> The Internet light blinks all the time, day and night, but I think that
> is just a 'keep alive' ping.
> I was talking about my Ethernet light to my computer where the server
> NIC should block even more junk. If my Ethernet light is busy that
> probably means someone is trying to hack me or maybe just anybody on the
> system that responds. It doesn't get into my computer, AFAIK.
> Bill Baka
In my setup it wouldn't get past my NAT router. (This is a
little box Earthlink gives me as a part of my DSL service.
Dunno what other ISPs do in that area, although cable
providers might have NAT as part of their stuff.)
In fact, Wireshark, Etherial, EtherApe, or good old Tcpdump
would see nothing unless I open the right NAT port.
--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Linux makes one use one's mind.
Windows just messes with one's head.
Sebastian G. wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>
>
>>> None of the things you mentioned gives any evidence that such a thing
>>> is happening.
>>
>> Like they would leave evidence?
>
>
> You claimed that they're accessing people's computers, and you presented
> many things that were perfectly possible and most likely done without
> accessing your computer at all.
>
> So unless you can present any evidence, there's no reason why these
> things should be assumed to be related to any computer intrusion
> whatsoever.
I don't think it is anybody trying to hack in. The Internet light blinks
even when the computer is off so I think it is the router pinging to
keep alive.
>
>> So far I haven't used BitTorrent, just Ktorrent and utorrent.
>
>
> uTorrent has been bought by Cohen's company, so any versions released
> after this date should be considered as compromised.
Damn. There are only about 6 torrent programs and utorrent did work good
under XP.
>
>> Never underestimate the government. Who do you think hires the best
>> and brightest?
>
> Can you present any better than dumb brabbling?
You should know that the dumb ones go to the DMV or some place where
they can piss off the most people.
The CIA, DHS, FBI, DEA, ATF, etc., do go after the bestest, most squeaky
cleanest, 4.0 GPA types. You can't go after the high level professional
hackers and crooks with a bunch of dipsticks at the keyboards.
Bill Baka
Sebastian G. wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>
>
>> I was talking about my Ethernet light to my computer where the server
>> NIC should block even more junk. If my Ethernet light is busy that
>> probably means someone is trying to hack me or maybe just anybody on
>> the system that responds. It doesn't get into my computer, AFAIK.
>
>
> Maybe you're just too stupid to understand ARP and PPPoE?
Stupid does not apply here.
Lack of motivation does apply.
I am now past 30 years of computer use.
In 1978 I took home a 300 baud acoustic terminal and dialed into the
mainframe at work to play Star Trek against the computer.
Bill Baka
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