Chris Hayes wrote:
> Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> >
> > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > "piloted"
> > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > >
> > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > >
> > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> >
> > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > where the planes hit.
> >
> > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
>
> What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
bully down the block."
edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> Chris Hayes wrote:
> > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > >
> > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > "piloted"
> > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > >
> > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > >
> > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > >
> > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > where the planes hit.
> > >
> > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> >
> > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
>
> I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> bully down the block."
That's pretty stupid, actually. You can't do much against a government
with millions of armed people who are going after you. You can,
however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
bother you again.
Chris Hayes wrote:
> edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > > >
> > > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > > "piloted"
> > > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > > >
> > > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > > >
> > > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > > where the planes hit.
> > > >
> > > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> > >
> > > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
> >
> > I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> > bully down the block."
>
> That's pretty stupid, actually.
Yeah, downright stupid, that's Isaac Asimov all over.
> You can't do much against a government
> with millions of armed people who are going after you.
Note that Asimov didn't say *any* government, he specifically
chose the *American* government. Care to consider why
he made that distinction?
> You can,
> however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
> bother you again.
Sure you can. Unless the bully down the street is a little
bit bigger and meaner than you are, which he likely is or
he wouldn't be bullying you.
> Government is more or less welcomed by sheep.
Your alternative? Places without functioning governments
tend to be known as hell holes for a reason.
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> Chris Hayes wrote:
> > edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > > > "piloted"
> > > > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > > > where the planes hit.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> > > >
> > > > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
> > >
> > > I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> > > bully down the block."
> >
> > That's pretty stupid, actually.
>
> Yeah, downright stupid, that's Isaac Asimov all over.
>
Ah yes, you're back to lying as usual as I never said Asimov was
stupid. Smart people can say stupid things. Happens all the time.
> > You can't do much against a government
> > with millions of armed people who are going after you.
>
> Note that Asimov didn't say *any* government, he specifically
> chose the *American* government. Care to consider why
> he made that distinction?
>
Because he was American, obviously.
> > You can,
> > however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
> > bother you again.
>
> Sure you can. Unless the bully down the street is a little
> bit bigger and meaner than you are, which he likely is or
> he wouldn't be bullying you.
>
And government solves this how? More to the point, what do you do if
the government itself is bullying you?
Government, at best, provides the ILLUSION of security.
> > Government is more or less welcomed by sheep.
>
> Your alternative? Places without functioning governments
> tend to be known as hell holes for a reason.
>
Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
Chris Hayes wrote:
> firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > > > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > > > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > > > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > > > > "piloted"
> > > > > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > > > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > > > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > > > > where the planes hit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > > > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > > > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > > > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> > > > >
> > > > > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
> > > >
> > > > I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> > > > bully down the block."
> > >
> > > That's pretty stupid, actually.
> >
> > Yeah, downright stupid, that's Isaac Asimov all over.
> >
>
> Ah yes, you're back to lying as usual as I never said Asimov was
> stupid. Smart people can say stupid things. Happens all the time.
And Isaac would be the first one to agree that he could say pretty
stupid things. But I don't think that qualifies as one of them.
Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > You can,
> > > however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
> > > bother you again.
> >
> > Sure you can. Unless the bully down the street is a little
> > bit bigger and meaner than you are, which he likely is or
> > he wouldn't be bullying you.
> >
>
> And government solves this how? More to the point, what do you do if
> the government itself is bullying you?
>
> Government, at best, provides the ILLUSION of security.
>
> > > Government is more or less welcomed by sheep.
> >
> > Your alternative? Places without functioning governments
> > tend to be known as hell holes for a reason.
> >
>
> Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
You still haven't suggested a viaible alternative. Furthermore, taking
out "the bully down the street" might not be an option if he's
surrounded himself with like-minded friends who take YOU out as you get
too close!
Chris Hayes wrote:
> firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > > > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > > > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > > > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > > > > "piloted"
> > > > > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > > > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > > > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > > > > where the planes hit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > > > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > > > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > > > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> > > > >
> > > > > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
> > > >
> > > > I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> > > > bully down the block."
> > >
> > > That's pretty stupid, actually.
> >
> > Yeah, downright stupid, that's Isaac Asimov all over.
> >
>
> Ah yes, you're back to lying as usual as I never said Asimov was
> stupid. Smart people can say stupid things. Happens all the time.
What's your excuse?
> > > You can't do much against a government
> > > with millions of armed people who are going after you.
> >
> > Note that Asimov didn't say *any* government, he specifically
> > chose the *American* government. Care to consider why
> > he made that distinction?
>
> Because he was American, obviously.
Born in Russia. World traveler. Correspondent on every
issue of his day. Yeah, he was a real provincial yokel-type,
that Asimov. You don't think he saw a difference between,
say, the American government as he saw it and other
powerful governments of the world?
> > > You can,
> > > however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
> > > bother you again.
> >
> > Sure you can. Unless the bully down the street is a little
> > bit bigger and meaner than you are, which he likely is or
> > he wouldn't be bullying you.
>
> And government solves this how? More to the point, what do you do if
> the government itself is bullying you?
Work to change your government. Maybe this feeds into
the reason Asimov specified the *American* government?
> Government, at best, provides the ILLUSION of security.
Which is why I've never had anyone shell my house,
never had my kid hauled away in the middle of the
night so he can be used as a human mine detector,
and never had a gang of local thugs shoot everyone in
my neighborhood who wasn't from their clan.
> > > Government is more or less welcomed by sheep.
> >
> > Your alternative? Places without functioning governments
> > tend to be known as hell holes for a reason.
>
> Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
That's the opinion usually seen from adolescent wannabe
anarchists. Which paradise without a government do you
see as the shining example of how things should be done?
<firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156343913.945538.249660@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> Chris Hayes wrote:
>>
>> Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
>
> That's the opinion usually seen from adolescent wannabe
> anarchists. Which paradise without a government do you
> see as the shining example of how things should be done?
>
Somalia is an excellent example but few immigrants seem to
want to settle there for some reason :)
Keith
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edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > You can,
> > > > however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
> > > > bother you again.
> > >
> > > Sure you can. Unless the bully down the street is a little
> > > bit bigger and meaner than you are, which he likely is or
> > > he wouldn't be bullying you.
> > >
> >
> > And government solves this how? More to the point, what do you do if
> > the government itself is bullying you?
> >
> > Government, at best, provides the ILLUSION of security.
> >
> > > > Government is more or less welcomed by sheep.
> > >
> > > Your alternative? Places without functioning governments
> > > tend to be known as hell holes for a reason.
> > >
> >
> > Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
>
> You still haven't suggested a viaible alternative.
Don't need to.
>Furthermore, taking
> out "the bully down the street" might not be an option if he's
> surrounded himself with like-minded friends who take YOU out as you get
> too close!
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> Chris Hayes wrote:
> > firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > > > > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > > > > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > > > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > > > > > "piloted"
> > > > > > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > > > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > > > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > > > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > > > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > > > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > > > > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > > > > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > > > > > where the planes hit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > > > > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > > > > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > > > > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
> > > > >
> > > > > I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> > > > > bully down the block."
> > > >
> > > > That's pretty stupid, actually.
> > >
> > > Yeah, downright stupid, that's Isaac Asimov all over.
> > >
> >
> > Ah yes, you're back to lying as usual as I never said Asimov was
> > stupid. Smart people can say stupid things. Happens all the time.
>
> What's your excuse?
>
QUACK!
> > > > You can't do much against a government
> > > > with millions of armed people who are going after you.
> > >
> > > Note that Asimov didn't say *any* government, he specifically
> > > chose the *American* government. Care to consider why
> > > he made that distinction?
> >
> > Because he was American, obviously.
>
> Born in Russia.
And came here at 3 years of age. He was an American.
> World traveler. Correspondent on every
> issue of his day. Yeah, he was a real provincial yokel-type,
> that Asimov. You don't think he saw a difference between,
> say, the American government as he saw it and other
> powerful governments of the world?
>
Do you have an actual point? The Cold War has been over for well over
a decade now. Try to catch up. Whatever Asimov said about the Soviets
has fuck all to do with the present day.
> > > > You can,
> > > > however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
> > > > bother you again.
> > >
> > > Sure you can. Unless the bully down the street is a little
> > > bit bigger and meaner than you are, which he likely is or
> > > he wouldn't be bullying you.
> >
> > And government solves this how? More to the point, what do you do if
> > the government itself is bullying you?
>
> Work to change your government. Maybe this feeds into
> the reason Asimov specified the *American* government?
>
Not likely. He certainly didn't refer to the American government
because citizens without the money to buy a bunch of politicians can
change it.
> > Government, at best, provides the ILLUSION of security.
>
> Which is why I've never had anyone shell my house,
> never had my kid hauled away in the middle of the
> night so he can be used as a human mine detector,
> and never had a gang of local thugs shoot everyone in
> my neighborhood who wasn't from their clan.
>
And? That kind of stuff happens all over the US to other Americans.
It's pretty dumb to attribute your good luck to avoid that to a
government which doesn't prevent it. If some random guy really had a
hard on to shoot you, it would take them about two seconds to pull it
off. The government (i.e. cops) CAN'T prevent such a thing.
Like I said, government provides the illusion of security.....
> > > > Government is more or less welcomed by sheep.
> > >
> > > Your alternative? Places without functioning governments
> > > tend to be known as hell holes for a reason.
> >
> > Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
>
> That's the opinion usually seen from adolescent wannabe
> anarchists.
Yadda, yadda, whatever. Like I said, "fuctioning government" is an
oxymoron.
Keith W wrote:
> <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1156343913.945538.249660@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> > Chris Hayes wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
> >
> > That's the opinion usually seen from adolescent wannabe
> > anarchists. Which paradise without a government do you
> > see as the shining example of how things should be done?
> >
>
> Somalia is an excellent example
Nope. Then again, this firelock fellow is a liar. I never claimed
there was a paradise on earth. It's not even possible. There doesn't
have to be an anarchist paradise out there for one to realize that
government is fundamentally evil and worthless.
Chris Hayes wrote:
> Keith W wrote:
> > <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1156343913.945538.249660@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
> > >
> > > That's the opinion usually seen from adolescent wannabe
> > > anarchists. Which paradise without a government do you
> > > see as the shining example of how things should be done?
> > >
> >
> > Somalia is an excellent example
>
> Nope. Then again, this firelock fellow is a liar. I never claimed
> there was a paradise on earth. It's not even possible.
I'm sorry, I was forgetting who I was talking to. I'll simplify
my discussion so that you can keep up with it, as you've
demonstrated that normal rhetorical conventions are
beyond you.
> There doesn't
> have to be an anarchist paradise out there for one to realize that
> government is fundamentally evil and worthless.
If you don't believe that there is any alternative that won't
be worse, then your whining about how governments are
fundamentally evil and worthless is just philosophical
masturbation. I can demonstrate that governments
*have* worth, simply due to the alternatives that some
of those governments (such as those of America and
most European countries) prevent.
Chris Hayes wrote:
> firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > > edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > > > > > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > > > > > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > > > > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > > > > > > "piloted"
> > > > > > > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > > > > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > > > > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > > > > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > > > > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > > > > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > > > > > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > > > > > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > > > > > > where the planes hit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > > > > > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > > > > > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > > > > > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> > > > > > bully down the block."
> > > > >
> > > > > That's pretty stupid, actually.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, downright stupid, that's Isaac Asimov all over.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ah yes, you're back to lying as usual as I never said Asimov was
> > > stupid. Smart people can say stupid things. Happens all the time.
> >
> > What's your excuse?
> >
>
> QUACK!
I see. Thank you, that explains your mental state quite
eloquently.
> > > > > You can't do much against a government
> > > > > with millions of armed people who are going after you.
> > > >
> > > > Note that Asimov didn't say *any* government, he specifically
> > > > chose the *American* government. Care to consider why
> > > > he made that distinction?
> > >
> > > Because he was American, obviously.
> >
> > Born in Russia.
>
> And came here at 3 years of age. He was an American.
Of an immigrant family, in an immigrant community with
links to many other immigrant communities, thus rather
more cosmopolitan than you seem able to comprehend.
> > World traveler. Correspondent on every
> > issue of his day. Yeah, he was a real provincial yokel-type,
> > that Asimov. You don't think he saw a difference between,
> > say, the American government as he saw it and other
> > powerful governments of the world?
>
> Do you have an actual point?
It's the one that passed three feet over your head.
> The Cold War has been over for well over
> a decade now. Try to catch up. Whatever Asimov said about the Soviets
> has fuck all to do with the present day.
Ah, I see. What Asimov said was "stupid" because he said
it a few decades ago, instead of today...because Chris is too
thick to see the general relevance of Asimov's statement.
Tell me, Chris, since you have to choose a government to
live under, would you prefer Switzerland or Somalia?
The USA or North Korea? Australia or Pakistan? You've
presented that they're all evil, worthless, non-functional,
so it should make no difference to you, right?
> > > > > You can,
> > > > > however, take out the bully down the street's kneecaps so he'll never
> > > > > bother you again.
> > > >
> > > > Sure you can. Unless the bully down the street is a little
> > > > bit bigger and meaner than you are, which he likely is or
> > > > he wouldn't be bullying you.
> > >
> > > And government solves this how? More to the point, what do you do if
> > > the government itself is bullying you?
> >
> > Work to change your government. Maybe this feeds into
> > the reason Asimov specified the *American* government?
>
> Not likely. He certainly didn't refer to the American government
> because citizens without the money to buy a bunch of politicians can
> change it.
People in groups create change. You really need to understand
this, because it is what slays the anarchist philosophy: you and
a hundred individuals will not prevail against a hundred people
who have made common cause with each other, whether for
good or ill.
> > > Government, at best, provides the ILLUSION of security.
> >
> > Which is why I've never had anyone shell my house,
> > never had my kid hauled away in the middle of the
> > night so he can be used as a human mine detector,
> > and never had a gang of local thugs shoot everyone in
> > my neighborhood who wasn't from their clan.
>
> And? That kind of stuff happens all over the US to other Americans.
Cite? Who is destroying neighborhoods, without agents of
government trying to stop them? Who is dragging children
out of houses to expend in wars? What gangs are roiling
through neighborhoods performing internicine slaughter
without the police trying to bring them down? You're
demonizing government with writings that say you live
in a fantasy world.
> It's pretty dumb to attribute your good luck to avoid that to a
> government which doesn't prevent it. If some random guy really had a
> hard on to shoot you, it would take them about two seconds to pull it
> off. The government (i.e. cops) CAN'T prevent such a thing.
They prevent it from being the norm. They prevent it from
happening on a mass scale. I have a chance against you,
even you with a gun. I have little chance against you and
a thousand of your armed friends.
> Like I said, government provides the illusion of security.....
>
> > > > > Government is more or less welcomed by sheep.
> > > >
> > > > Your alternative? Places without functioning governments
> > > > tend to be known as hell holes for a reason.
> > >
> > > Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
> >
> > That's the opinion usually seen from adolescent wannabe
> > anarchists.
>
> Yadda, yadda, whatever. Like I said, "fuctioning government" is an
> oxymoron.
Say it three times and it becomes true, eh? Rubbish. Present
your alternative, or keep up the childish ravings about How
The Man Is Oppressing You. My entertainment is nevertheless
assured.
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> Chris Hayes wrote:
> > Keith W wrote:
> > > <firelock_ny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1156343913.945538.249660@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Functioning government? Now THAT is an oxymoron if there ever was one.
> > > >
> > > > That's the opinion usually seen from adolescent wannabe
> > > > anarchists. Which paradise without a government do you
> > > > see as the shining example of how things should be done?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Somalia is an excellent example
> >
> > Nope. Then again, this firelock fellow is a liar. I never claimed
> > there was a paradise on earth. It's not even possible.
>
> I'm sorry, I was forgetting who I was talking to.
Not really. I own your stupid dishonest ass which is why you keep
coming back for more on cue. You won't forget who I am until I say so.
firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> Chris Hayes wrote:
> > firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > edrhodes@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Chris Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > > > Orval Fairbairn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article <1155227364.955607.187030@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
> > > > > > > > > "Regensburg" <z444y@yahoo.com> smoked some dope, sniffed a chemtrail,
> > > > > > > > > wet the bed, howled at the moon and scribbled:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you study the FACTS about the 9/11 terror attacks it's clear
> > > > > > > > > > that Bush's family was involved, that the so-called muslims who
> > > > > > > > > > "piloted"
> > > > > > > > > > the planes were drug-addled gambling libertines, and that the only
> > > > > > > > > > way to get those planes to their targets with the kind of accuracy
> > > > > > > > > > we saw was using autopilot technology. Oh, and the 3 WTC buildings
> > > > > > > > > > collapsed because of an explosive called thermate, not fires or planes;
> > > > > > > > > > thermate left a precise chemical signature at all 3 sites.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So today's "big scare" is more than likely manufactured,
> > > > > > > > > > not unlike the Miami-group scare.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why? It's an age-old ploy to get you to approve of a police state.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The fact is, a 9-year-old child could have flown the planes into the
> > > > > > > > > buildings; thermate doesn't exist; there was no "chemical trail"; the
> > > > > > > > > planes caused major structural damage, finished off by the raging fires
> > > > > > > > > where the planes hit.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is ignoramusus like "Regensburg," who have no knowledge of aviation,
> > > > > > > > > structures or anything else useful, who fuel the idiotic conspiracy
> > > > > > > > > notions, such as "chemtrails", lunar landing hoaxes, "9/11
> > > > > > > > > conspiracies", etc., ad nauseum, who are the real threat to freedom.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What nonsense. The only threat to freedom is the government. Period.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I go by Asimov's statement. "Better the bully in Washington than the
> > > > > > > bully down the block."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's pretty stupid, actually.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, downright stupid, that's Isaac Asimov all over.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ah yes, you're back to lying as usual as I never said Asimov was
> > > > stupid. Smart people can say stupid things. Happens all the time.
> > >
> > > What's your excuse?
> > >
> >
> > QUACK!
>
> I see. Thank you, that explains your mental state quite
> eloquently.
Oooh. Pee Wee Herman. I know you are, but what am I?
>
> > > > > > You can't do much against a government
> > > > > > with millions of armed people who are going after you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that Asimov didn't say *any* government, he specifically
> > > > > chose the *American* government. Care to consider why
> > > > > he made that distinction?
> > > >
> > > > Because he was American, obviously.
> > >
> > > Born in Russia.
> >
> > And came here at 3 years of age. He was an American.
>
> Of an immigrant family,
You're pretty stupid. Immigrants can become nationalized. He was an
American citizen. Twist all you like, but that's how it is.
>in an immigrant community with
> links to many other immigrant communities, thus rather
> more cosmopolitan than you seem able to comprehend.
>
> > > World traveler. Correspondent on every
> > > issue of his day. Yeah, he was a real provincial yokel-type,
> > > that Asimov. You don't think he saw a difference between,
> > > say, the American government as he saw it and other
> > > powerful governments of the world?
> >
> > Do you have an actual point?
>
> It's the one that passed three feet over your head.
>
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