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Old 08-10-2004, 06:57 AM
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Hi there peoples,
Heres the situation. Im conducting a war drive as part of my 4th year engineering project. Just need peoples comments as to what hardware people thing is suitable for this. Will be using a laptop of course.

http://shop.netstumbler.com/customer/produ...bf26b4027f46af0

looked promising, but its only a 802.11b card, does it matter?

have had a look on borg.co.nz, but cant find anything, have also called up but he's out and im waiting for him to cal me back. Alot of you have done war drives before and have alot more experience on the matter than me.

Just a shocking statistic, drove around with just the standard wireless card in a laptop and found that more than 60% of wireless networks are NOT secured. Pretty scary.
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Old 08-10-2004, 10:39 AM
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Unless someone wants to sell me a wardriving setup?
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All you need is a 802.11b card, and if you want to get a better result then a pigtail and an aerial.

Example of a pigtail: http://shop.borg.co.nz/product_info.php?pr...products_id=538 you will need one that fits your 802.11b card and your aerial (it connects the two)

and an aerial like this: http://shop.borg.co.nz/product_info.php?cP...&products_id=31

Or you can use a small omni aerial or a parabolic, but the ingots are nice and small
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:23 AM
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So a b card would pick up g wireless in net stumbler?

damn that cable is short...
hmm with the aerial (ingot) in a car should it be able to pick up signals decently?
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no, 11b won't pick up 11g while stumbling

I've never used an 11g for stumbling/war driving, could be worth a go
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:10 PM
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Well on the preliminary war drive i conducted about 40% were 802.11g
so i kind of need a g card.
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:34 PM
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http://www.proxim.com/products/wifi/client...card/index.html
look what i found
a g orinoco card with an external aerial plug
sweet!
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Old 08-10-2004, 11:47 PM
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Spoke to Alex at Borg, he reckons his b cards pick u the g cards in linux. Hmm so he says he'll test it out in net stumbler on windows.
he says that the reason you dont get g cards with external aerials is because they flood the spectrum...

hmm flood you say...
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more to do with FCC restrictions... though technically that should mean 0 to us as we dont answer to those silly yankees.. we answer to the MED. Same reason it's difficult to find .a gear with antenna jacks. check out seattlewireless's hardware pages though.. there's a wealth of info there..

the .b+ card (dlink dwl650+ taken from within a 900ap+) that Techie and I use for wardriving picks up .g networks within netstumbler...

I should be posting by weeks end about the equipment we use, including my new ministumbler setup
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Old 08-11-2004, 02:20 AM
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So you have had success with a b card picking up g networks? does it pick up all of them? or just some of them?

Using what o/s? ill be using XP pro and the latest netstumbler.

Because if its not really going to work out then ill try and get this
http://www.proxim.com/products/wifi/client...card/index.html

flooding bah!
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You mean Andrew at Borg?
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Old 08-11-2004, 10:20 AM
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Most probably, my hearing is impared from listening to loud music

Well i spoke to the Oniroco wireless division manager and he assures me that the 802.11 b Gold card WILL pick up G wireless networks in netstumbler...

oo oo oo! update on my war driving attempt, i managed to get my hand on a GPS system... i now have GPS coordinates for 10/37 wireless networks we previously found.

With that GPS data, ill be able to transpose it to an Orthophoto (pretty much satalite photography with positional data in it) of Palmerston North.

Should have a very nice photo with all the secured and unsecured nodes marked on the map of palmy.

Have put through an order to Andrew at borg.co.nz for better wardriving equipment, if anyone ever puts down his prices ill personally beat them. All the prices I got quoted from the oniroco manager were WAY more than borg.co.nz. Thumbs up to Borg.co.nz! you guys RULE! :wink:
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well from what Ive found, the DSE XH6821 card, though it is rubbish really, can pick up 802.11b/g signals, discern between them and connect at full speed to all, even tho it is said to be impossible, if all u want is wardriving, then get one of these and solder an antenna cable on to it. ive got mine rigged up with a D-Link AP-Stub antenna, these lil beauties are rated at 3dbi but I reckon that it is actually about 6, maybe 12dbi. as there are no connectable sigs in my house without, but with, I can connect to the AP on my roof or my neighbours AP (which has to go through me an trees)
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OH FFS! Courier post lost the wardriving equipment that was sent by Andrew at Borg...

Dammit! I needed it for this weekend as I need to return the laptop and the $3000 GPS system on Monday...

sigh... i dont believe.
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Hay Mad-Mendez

I have got a DellTM TrueMobileTM 1150 PCMCI card here with a pigtail

you are welcome to use it for the week end if you like
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ooo do you have an external aerial for it ?
Dude Thanks heaps!
my icq number is 16917575 to chat.
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apples and oranges.. omni's are going to have a different price/gain ratio to directionals

If you were that hard up about an antenna, you could have easily popped one together after a quick trip to tricky dickies.. I'm rapt with my biquad and that cost me about 20 bucks to make...

anyway, dont get mad - get even. I got tired of waiting and just got my stuff elsewhere - the senao gear from my ISP, nzwireless.co.nz, and the pigtails etc from tardme
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So how did it go Mad-Mendez?? Did you end up war-driving around PN at all????
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