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Old 10-10-2004, 11:01 AM
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Default New Wardrivers beware!

Sigh...
Something I didnt know when doing my first war drive.
1) You want to be passive. Turn off "Obtain an IP address automatically" etc.
2) If you find unsecured nodes. Shut up and make like you never saw it.
3) and the most important of all read 2) again

cos this will happen
http://aardvark.co.nz/daily/2004/1008.shtml

and all of a sudden everyone is calling you a criminal and a hacker
8O

not that I am...
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Old 10-10-2004, 10:43 PM
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I like this quote in the article linked off bruce's site:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3055110a28,00.html

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Overseas, email spammers are among the main war-drivers, as are terrorist groups, Mr Kleintjes said.
While I agree about email spammers, terrorists? That's just trying to insite hysteria. What can a terrorist do if they connect to your access point? Probably the same thing anyone else can do.
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Btw Mad-Mendez, is that you in that stuff article? You terrorist you :P
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Old 10-11-2004, 01:59 AM
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damn...busted... 8O
lol
Strange how everyone blames everything on terrorists nowadays
At least we can still have a laugh or two over this...

That is till they come to take me away.
Really not looking forward to being someones senorita in jail!

Good to see some support for me here, I was getting axed on the forums there. All of a sudden I was a hacker and a criminal... not a nice feeling considering I was just trying to educate people and do some good. :cry:

http://aardvarkforums.co.nz/viewtopic.php?p=3662#3662
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It's a real grey line between hacker and cracker and the public often don't distingush a difference. I had a neighbour who was running an AP with full speed jetstream with dhcp etc on it, infact his AP still had the default SSID, ip and login. I tried to find him but couldn't track him down with my PDA as the RF was doing funny things and bouncing around the houses.

If you do get busted for war driving (and it'd be very hard to), they'd have to prove that you were in that area at that time, and that your windows XP wasn't just using the zero config wireless feature to connect to any network that it can see. It's a different story if you're sitting out someone's home/building in a car hacking in to their network, just depends on how the law sees it and whether they're techno-savvy enough to distingush the difference.
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You are right on the spot saying that you shouldn't tell anyone.

Give me open access to a network and I'll give you peoples online banking details.
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Maybe you should post your results so we can all "indirectly" access the networks.
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OK even the guy that said that he scanned the networks using a passive scanner is rooted.

"access",
in relation to any computer system, means instruct, communicate with, store data in, RECEIVE DATA FROM, or otherwise make use of any of the resources of the computer system.

"computer system" -
means -
a computer; or
2 or more interconnected computers; or
any communication links between computers or to remote terminals or another device; or
2 or more interconnected computers with any communication links between computers or to remote terminals or any other device; and
includes any part of the items described in paragraph (a) and all related input, output, processing, storage, software or communication facilities, and stored data.


So your only defence would be that you were authorised to access the network. Maybe you can say that you got authorised by the DHCP server. It had your MAC address and then gave you an IP address.
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It's an interesting debate, being that using that definition, anyone connecting to nzwireless.org is breaking the law, because you don't have authorization to do so.

NZWireless.org is open to the public, thus an access point that's got no security is open to the public also.
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But my PC was connected to the internet first so by you connecting to the internet you conencted to me without authorisation.
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Old 10-12-2004, 04:49 AM
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It's an interesting debate, being that using that definition, anyone connecting to nzwireless.org is breaking the law, because you don't have authorization to do so.

NZWireless.org is open to the public, thus an access point that's got no security is open to the public also.
yeah... lol we in engineering all had a good laugh at that one (connecting to the internet etc...). Its all really vague really.
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So whats the law do if you have a wireless DHCP server (SSID set to default), and it allocates an IP address to someone elses computer in a different bussiness, in the building next door?

We had this problem setting up a wifi network in a building in Invercargill. Problem now fixed tho.
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A couple of months ago in a small section of our house we were picking up someone else's wifi, usual story insecure, most likely broadband (due to the high usage and high availability in our area). I took the chance and used netsend to inform them that their wifi was wide open and therefore able to be used by anyone with a laptop and wifi capability, also gave them our number in case they needed help to secure it. I received a thanks back and heard no more. Its now secure and no longer in danger of being seized upon by our kids and whoever else is out there.
OK this situation wont happen with an outcome like that everytime, but sometimes announcing your presence can have a positive effect.
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Ok people here is a PDF report into the New Zealand computer miss use and the laws that result from it.

http://www.lawcom.govt.nz/documents/public...cations/R54.pdf

Have a good read of it as it defines terms as to what they will arrest you for if you are caught and the criminal charge you will face. By the looks of it NZ is following on from many other countries around the world in terms of laws.
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