When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters which network they're on
as to what you're charged for the call. Is there any way of finding this out
in advance, only knowing the other party's number?
And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in a contract and has it
ever been tested in the courts?
I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the telcos get away with it.
On Oct 2, 3:16 pm, "MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters which network they're on
> as to what you're charged for the call. Is there any way of finding this out
> in advance, only knowing the other party's number?
No, not really. You can find out which operator the number was
originally allocated to -- but not who the number is currently with
(if it has since been ported).
> And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in a contract and has it
> ever been tested in the courts?
Certainly an interesting point. I have no experience of the Irish
networks, but I understand that they play a slightly different ring-
tone when you call off-net. I've been surprised that the same hasn't
been introduced here.
> I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the telcos get away with it.
"MichaelJP" <mjp@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters which network they're
> on as to what you're charged for the call. Is there any way of finding
> this out in advance, only knowing the other party's number?
>
> And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in a contract and has
> it ever been tested in the courts?
>
> I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the telcos get away with
> it.
>
>
even if its been ported away from the listed network, it will still be
charged as the original netw.
ie,
07763
Mobile services
Section: The "Find me anywhere" Range (Convention B7)
Operator: O2 (UK) Limited
A table of the code allocations for numbers in The "Find me anywhere" Range
(Convention B7) starting 077 is available
BT charge for calls to this code at their fm1 rate (Calls to Mobile
telephones). It is
a.. 1.999p per minute (ex VAT), or approximately 2.3p per minute (inc VAT)
Weekends.
b.. 11.192p per minute (ex VAT), or approximately 13.2p per minute (inc
VAT) Evenings & Night-time.
c.. 16.085p per minute (ex VAT), or approximately 18.9p per minute (inc
VAT) Daytime.
even if it is now ported to orange, you will still be charged o2 rates.
"Usenet User" <usenetuser@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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: : On Oct 2, 3:16 pm, "MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
: : : When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters
: : : which network they're on as to what you're charged
: : : for the call. Is there any way of finding this out in
: : : advance, only knowing the other party's number?
: :
: : No, not really. You can find out which operator the
: : number was originally allocated to -- but not who the
: : number is currently with (if it has since been ported).
: :
: : : And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in
: : : a contract and has it ever been tested in the courts?
: :
: : Certainly an interesting point. I have no experience
: : of the Irish networks, but I understand that they play
: : a slightly different ring- tone when you call off-net.
: : I've been surprised that the same hasn't been
: : introduced here.
You can tell if you're ringing an Orange or Three number, you get a long
single ring before the usual double ring.
: : : I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the
: : : telcos get away with it.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Neil - Usenet" <usenet1@SPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> message
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>
> [snip]
>
> : : even if its been ported away from the listed network,
> : : it will still be charged as the original netw.
>
> Only from landlines. Calling a mobile from another mobile will be charged
> as for the network the number is *currently* on.
>
> Ivor
>
>
I did only post the avg price if calling from a landline.
but I can confirm, as a orange user, that I get charged 02 rates when
calling a m8 who ported from o2 to orange. Orange said the same when i did a
best of 5 calls to tubbies.
Ivor Jones explained :
> "Neil - Usenet" <usenet1@SPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> message
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>
> [snip]
>
> : : even if its been ported away from the listed network,
> : : it will still be charged as the original netw.
>
> Only from landlines. Calling a mobile from another mobile will be charged as
> for the network the number is *currently* on.
It's probably more accurate to say that your mobile provider will not
necessarily know what network you've dialled, however, it will know
whether it is on-net or x-net.
On Oct 2, 6:19 pm, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Usenet User" <usenetu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:1191335707.652205.67790@n39g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com
> : : On Oct 2, 3:16 pm, "MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> : : : When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters
> : : : which network they're on as to what you're charged
> : : : for the call. Is there any way of finding this out in
> : : : advance, only knowing the other party's number?
> : :
> : : No, not really. You can find out which operator the
> : : number was originally allocated to -- but not who the
> : : number is currently with (if it has since been ported).
> : :
> : : : And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in
> : : : a contract and has it ever been tested in the courts?
> : :
> : : Certainly an interesting point. I have no experience
> : : of the Irish networks, but I understand that they play
> : : a slightly different ring- tone when you call off-net.
> : : I've been surprised that the same hasn't been
> : : introduced here.
>
> You can tell if you're ringing an Orange or Three number, you get a long
> single ring before the usual double ring.
>
> : : : I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the
> : : : telcos get away with it.
>
> Because they can.
>
> "We're the phone company"
>
> Ivor
Unless the 3 mobile is roaming on O2 (yes, I know -- not for much
longer) in which case you get the standard ring.
"Usenet User" <usenetuser@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Oct 2, 6:19 pm, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>> "Usenet User" <usenetu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1191335707.652205.67790@n39g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com
>> : : On Oct 2, 3:16 pm, "MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> : : : When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters
>> : : : which network they're on as to what you're charged
>> : : : for the call. Is there any way of finding this out in
>> : : : advance, only knowing the other party's number?
>> : :
>> : : No, not really. You can find out which operator the
>> : : number was originally allocated to -- but not who the
>> : : number is currently with (if it has since been ported).
>> : :
>> : : : And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in
>> : : : a contract and has it ever been tested in the courts?
>> : :
>> : : Certainly an interesting point. I have no experience
>> : : of the Irish networks, but I understand that they play
>> : : a slightly different ring- tone when you call off-net.
>> : : I've been surprised that the same hasn't been
>> : : introduced here.
>>
>> You can tell if you're ringing an Orange or Three number, you get a long
>> single ring before the usual double ring.
>>
>> : : : I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the
>> : : : telcos get away with it.
>>
>> Because they can.
>>
>> "We're the phone company"
>>
>> Ivor
>
> Unless the 3 mobile is roaming on O2 (yes, I know -- not for much
> longer) in which case you get the standard ring.
>
Do we know when roaming on O2 will end? My phone still uses O2 as Orange's
reception here is not brilliant
"Neil - Usenet" <usenet1@SPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> I did only post the avg price if calling from a landline.
>
> but I can confirm, as a orange user, that I get charged 02 rates when
> calling a m8 who ported from o2 to orange. Orange said the same when i did
> a best of 5 calls to tubbies.
>
So you're calling from Orange, to a ported-in Orange number? That should be
charged as on-net, just as a ported-out Orange number would be charged as
off-net.
If you're not, then you have a billing error on your hands. Whether you want
to highlight it depends, I guess, on whether it's working in your favour or
not :-)
"Neil - Usenet" <usenet1@SPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "MichaelJP" <mjp@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:0psMi.623794$sR4.562332@fe08.news.easynews.co m...
>> When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters which network they're
>> on as to what you're charged for the call. Is there any way of finding
>> this out in advance, only knowing the other party's number?
>>
>> And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in a contract and has
>> it ever been tested in the courts?
>>
>> I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the telcos get away with
>> it.
>>
>>
>
> use a website to id the number. That will tell you the owner of it. That
> will help getting a call cost.
> http://www.ukphoneinfo.com/section/tci/locator.shtml
>
> even if its been ported away from the listed network, it will still be
> charged as the original netw.
I didn't know that. My number was originally Cellnet then O2 and is now
vodafone.
So presumably fellow vodafone users are being charged xnet to call me!
I still think its amazing what the mobile phone operators are allowed to get
away with. I wish I could get my customers to sign a contract to pay
unspecified charges without limit.
"MichaelJP" <mjp@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> I didn't know that. My number was originally Cellnet then O2 and is now
> vodafone.
>
> So presumably fellow vodafone users are being charged xnet to call me!
Nope, fellow Vodafone users should be charged on-net to call you, O2 users
will be charged off-net
>
> I still think its amazing what the mobile phone operators are allowed to
> get away with. I wish I could get my customers to sign a contract to pay
> unspecified charges without limit.
>
>
But the charges to call and and off-net mobiles are specified? I guess in a
lot of cases of X-Net inclusive bundles it makes nigh on no difference
either.
That you can't tell from looking at a given number (the obvious exception
being Orange users being able to use option 2 of the Answerphone IVR to
check), whether it is on or off-net, is arguably a different issue.
On Oct 3, 8:09 am, "acdeag" <x...@y.com> wrote:
> "Usenet User" <usenetu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 2, 6:19 pm, "Ivor Jones" <i...@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> >> "Usenet User" <usenetu...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1191335707.652205.67790@n39g2000hsh.googleg roups.com
> >> : : On Oct 2, 3:16 pm, "MichaelJP" <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> : : : When you call someone on a mobile, it often matters
> >> : : : which network they're on as to what you're charged
> >> : : : for the call. Is there any way of finding this out in
> >> : : : advance, only knowing the other party's number?
> >> : :
> >> : : No, not really. You can find out which operator the
> >> : : number was originally allocated to -- but not who the
> >> : : number is currently with (if it has since been ported).
> >> : :
> >> : : : And the supplementary would be is this a fair term in
> >> : : : a contract and has it ever been tested in the courts?
> >> : :
> >> : : Certainly an interesting point. I have no experience
> >> : : of the Irish networks, but I understand that they play
> >> : : a slightly different ring- tone when you call off-net.
> >> : : I've been surprised that the same hasn't been
> >> : : introduced here.
>
> >> You can tell if you're ringing an Orange or Three number, you get a long
> >> single ring before the usual double ring.
>
> >> : : : I don't have an axe to grind, just wondered how the
> >> : : : telcos get away with it.
>
> >> Because they can.
>
> >> "We're the phone company"
>
> >> Ivor
>
> > Unless the 3 mobile is roaming on O2 (yes, I know -- not for much
> > longer) in which case you get the standard ring.
>
> Do we know when roaming on O2 will end? My phone still uses O2 as Orange's
> reception here is not brilliant- Hide quoted text -
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