"David Hearn" <dave@NOswampieSPAM.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
> > "Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.204d0207ec6123e698a000@news.karoo.co.uk
> > > In article <54g7k7F20rus3U1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor
> > > Jones says...
> > >
> > > > Eh..? How many phones in the UK even *have* GPS
> > > > fitted..?
> > > Ho-hum....
> > >
> > > A lot of standalone Stnav units such as TomTom allow
> > > you to connect to your phone via Bluetooth to do such
> > > lovely things as updating traffic info online or using your
> > > phone hands free.
> >
> > A little too much snipping there. The point I replied
> > to was:
> > > Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth
> > > signal from the GPS unit.
> >
> > I ask again, how many *phones* have GPS..? Nowhere did
> > the OP say he even had a satnav system, just a spare
> > phone left in the glovebox, I assume switched off.
> >
> > Ivor
>
> GPS has nothing to do with it - it's the BT signal that
> people can pick up.
Sigh..
I *know* GPS has nothing to do with it, but again, the sentence I replied
to was:
> Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth signal from the GPS
> unit.
"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
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> ivor@despammed.invalid declared for all the world to
> hear...
> > Right, please tell me how someone is (a) going to be
> > able to detect lithium in a battery that might be in
> > some device in possibly a moving car and (b) how
> > they're going to tell it's in a phone..?
>
> I have no idea,
hairydog@despammed.com wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:46:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wrong again.
>
> You are wrong, but I can't be bothered to argue with you about it.
> Carry on deluding yourself.
Rod Speed wrote:
> hairydog@despammed.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:46:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wrong again.
>> You are wrong, but I can't be bothered to argue with you about it.
>> Carry on deluding yourself.
>
> Thanks for running up that white flag, child.
>
>
"William Souden" <souden@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote:
>> hairydog@despammed.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:46:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wrong again.
>>> You are wrong, but I can't be bothered to argue with you about it.
>>> Carry on deluding yourself.
>>
>> Thanks for running up that white flag, child.
>
> Another detailed reply by welfare boy.
Children! Children! Please behave yourselves or go to bed early<G>
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hairydog@despammed.com wrote:
> On 2 Mar 2007 16:15:13 -0800, "peter" <prathman@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Using an electronic listening device to detect a car anti-
> >theft tracking system seems much more feasible.
>
> Even if this were possible (which I doubt) it would have the opposite
> effect: they would not steal cars with it; they'd not target cars wit
> it.
Not intentionally, but, as you yourself indicated, the anti-theft
tracking devices are generally undetectable until after they've been
triggered. So the thief wouldn't know that the car has one until
after he's already in the process of stealing it. At that point a
detector would definitely be worthwhile (and they certainly are
technically feasible). Depending on the circumstances the thief could
either choose to abandon the theft of that particular car or use the
detector to locate and disable the tracking device. Either would
clearly be preferable to leaving the device in place and leading the
police to the thief's garage.
>
> BTW, des onStar work in the UK? I have a car with onStar, which
> definitely does not work. Not that I'd want it to.
The original OnStar system used the old analog cellular phone network
operating in the 800 MHz band in the US and a few other countries, but
not in the UK. I believe they are now switching over to digital phone
technology but I'm not sure if they're using GSM or the other
technical standards (CDMA or IS41 TDMA). Even if using GSM, the
frequencies are different in the US from those used in the UK and
Europe.
> The original OnStar system used the old analog cellular phone network
> operating in the 800 MHz band in the US and a few other countries, but
> not in the UK. I believe they are now switching over to digital phone
> technology but I'm not sure if they're using GSM or the other technical
> standards (CDMA or IS41 TDMA). Even if using GSM, the frequencies are
> different in the US from those used in the UK and Europe.
I'm wondering if OnStar is staying with an trimode. They advertise a
signal virtually anywhere in the US, and I know that out west there are
vast areas where there is no digital signal.
However, in the cell phone shop yesterday a salesman advised that Federal
Madates had all phones digital by 2008.
Yeah, yeah, I do know how to tell if a salesman is lying.
"Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:08:45 -0800, peter wrote:
>
> > The original OnStar system used the old analog cellular
> > phone network operating in the 800 MHz band in the US
> > and a few other countries, but not in the UK. I
> > believe they are now switching over to digital phone
> > technology but I'm not sure if they're using GSM or the
> > other technical standards (CDMA or IS41 TDMA). Even if
> > using GSM, the frequencies are different in the US from
> > those used in the UK and Europe.
>
> I'm wondering if OnStar is staying with an trimode. They
> advertise a signal virtually anywhere in the US, and I
> know that out west there are vast areas where there is no
> digital signal.
There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
Frank Tabor wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:08:45 -0800, peter wrote:
>
>> The original OnStar system used the old analog cellular phone network
>> operating in the 800 MHz band in the US and a few other countries, but
>> not in the UK. I believe they are now switching over to digital phone
>> technology but I'm not sure if they're using GSM or the other technical
>> standards (CDMA or IS41 TDMA). Even if using GSM, the frequencies are
>> different in the US from those used in the UK and Europe.
>
> I'm wondering if OnStar is staying with an trimode. They advertise a
> signal virtually anywhere in the US, and I know that out west there are
> vast areas where there is no digital signal.
Onstar has a dual mode only requirment for Jan 2008. After that if you
have an analog only version they will not provide service. They picked
CDMA for digital using VZW.
>
> However, in the cell phone shop yesterday a salesman advised that Federal
> Madates had all phones digital by 2008.
The mandate is that carriers only have to keep AMPS running until then.
>
> Yeah, yeah, I do know how to tell if a salesman is lying.
>
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:03:26 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.03.05.01.55.27@gmail.com
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:08:45 -0800, peter wrote:
>>
>> > The original OnStar system used the old analog cellular phone network
>> > operating in the 800 MHz band in the US and a few other countries,
>> > but not in the UK. I believe they are now switching over to digital
>> > phone technology but I'm not sure if they're using GSM or the other
>> > technical standards (CDMA or IS41 TDMA). Even if using GSM, the
>> > frequencies are different in the US from those used in the UK and
>> > Europe.
>>
>> I'm wondering if OnStar is staying with an trimode. They advertise a
>> signal virtually anywhere in the US, and I know that out west there are
>> vast areas where there is no digital signal.
>
> There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
>
> Ivor
I'm sot so sure about that. I and friend go out west every fall and car
camp throughout Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada. He uses
an old trimode Tracphone, (prepaid) and I can only remember one or two
places that we were that he couldn't get service of some sort.
As far as analog goes, there are some areas that don't have coverage, but
not very many.
--
Frank Tabor
Your mode of life will be changed for the better because of new
developments.
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:14:35 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
> "David Hearn" <dave@NOswampieSPAM.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:54jorrF218einU1@mid.individual.net
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>> > "Conor" <conor.turton@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.204d0207ec6123e698a000@news.karoo.co.uk
>> > > In article <54g7k7F20rus3U1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor Jones says...
>> > >
>> > > > Eh..? How many phones in the UK even *have* GPS fitted..?
>> > > Ho-hum....
>> > >
>> > > A lot of standalone Stnav units such as TomTom allow you to connect
>> > > to your phone via Bluetooth to do such lovely things as updating
>> > > traffic info online or using your phone hands free.
>> >
>> > A little too much snipping there. The point I replied to was:
>> > > Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth signal from the GPS
>> > > unit.
>> >
>> > I ask again, how many *phones* have GPS..? Nowhere did the OP say he
>> > even had a satnav system, just a spare phone left in the glovebox, I
>> > assume switched off.
>> >
>> > Ivor
>>
>> GPS has nothing to do with it - it's the BT signal that people can pick
>> up.
>
> Sigh..
>
> I *know* GPS has nothing to do with it, but again, the sentence I
> replied to was:
>
>> Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth signal from the GPS
>> unit.
>
> Again, how many *phones* have GPS..?
>
>
> Ivor
Most manufactured in the last four years of so either have GPS or use a
modified sort of location finding as mandated by Enhanced 911 services.
As a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to find a carrier that
will activate a phone that doesn't have gps on it.
Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> "Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.03.05.01.55.27@gmail.com
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:08:45 -0800, peter wrote:
>>
>>> The original OnStar system used the old analog cellular
>>> phone network operating in the 800 MHz band in the US
>>> and a few other countries, but not in the UK. I
>>> believe they are now switching over to digital phone
>>> technology but I'm not sure if they're using GSM or the
>>> other technical standards (CDMA or IS41 TDMA). Even if
>>> using GSM, the frequencies are different in the US from
>>> those used in the UK and Europe.
>>
>> I'm wondering if OnStar is staying with an trimode. They
>> advertise a signal virtually anywhere in the US, and I
>> know that out west there are vast areas where there is no
>> digital signal.
>
> There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
On 2007-03-05, Frank Tabor <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:14:35 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
>> Sigh..
>>
>> I *know* GPS has nothing to do with it, but again, the sentence I
>> replied to was:
>>
>>> Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth signal from the GPS
>>> unit.
>>
>> Again, how many *phones* have GPS..?
>>
>>
>> Ivor
>
> Most manufactured in the last four years of so either have GPS or use a
> modified sort of location finding as mandated by Enhanced 911 services.
> As a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to find a carrier that
> will activate a phone that doesn't have gps on it.
All, or almost all, US CDMA2000 phones include GPS units (these are the
phones that require carrier activation). All, or almost all, GSM and UMTS
phones, on the other hand, don't. I think the GPS operators in the US may
still be operating on wavers of the E911 location accuracy requirements
since tower triangulation is generally not good enough to meet those
requirements.
If US operators can't get GSM phones which include GPS, despite requiring
special government dispensation to continue with phones without this,
then I doubt that a lot of GSM phones in the rest of the world include
GPS either.
"Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.03.05.17.30.44@gmail.com
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:14:35 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
[snip]
> > Sigh..
> >
> > I *know* GPS has nothing to do with it, but again, the
> > sentence I replied to was:
> >
> > > Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth
> > > signal from the GPS unit.
> >
> > Again, how many *phones* have GPS..?
> >
> >
> > Ivor
>
> Most manufactured in the last four years of so either
> have GPS or use a modified sort of location finding as
> mandated by Enhanced 911 services. As a matter of fact,
> you would be hard pressed to find a carrier that will
> activate a phone that doesn't have gps on it.
"Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.03.05.17.28.23@gmail.com
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:03:26 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
[snip]
> > There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
> >
> > Ivor
>
> I'm sot so sure about that. I and friend go out west
> every fall and car camp throughout Utah, Colorado, New
> Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada. He uses an old trimode
> Tracphone, (prepaid) and I can only remember one or two
> places that we were that he couldn't get service of some
> sort.
>
> As far as analog goes, there are some areas that don't
> have coverage, but not very many.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> > > Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>
> > > > There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
>
> > > Not if you use a satphone.
>
> > In a tunnel..?!
>
> Doesnt qualify as a vast area.
It does if I'm stuck in a traffic queue in it and need to phone home ;-)
Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>>>>> There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
>>>> Not if you use a satphone.
>>> In a tunnel..?!
>> Doesnt qualify as a vast area.
> It does if I'm stuck in a traffic queue in it and need to phone home ;-)
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>
>>>>>> There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
>
>>>>> Not if you use a satphone.
>
>>>> In a tunnel..?!
>
>>> Doesnt qualify as a vast area.
>
>> It does if I'm stuck in a traffic queue in it and need to phone home ;-)
>
> Nope. Its still just a tunnel.
>
>
However did we manage when we didn't have car-phones? Hell I can remember
when the only cars in the village were the Doctors, the district nurse, the
ambulance and of course the bookie and the publican.
--
Robert Peffers. <peffers@btinternet.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
>>>>>> Not if you use a satphone.
>>>>> In a tunnel..?!
>>>> Doesnt qualify as a vast area.
>>> It does if I'm stuck in a traffic queue in it and need to phone home ;-)
>> Nope. Its still just a tunnel.
> However did we manage when we didn't have car-phones?
I hiked a considerable distance to a pay phone myself.
> Hell I can remember when the only cars in the village were the Doctors, the district nurse, the
> ambulance and of course the bookie and the publican.
Just as true of houses, clothes, domesticated animals, etc etc etc.
> Robert Peffers. <peffers@btinternet.com> wrote
>>
>> However did we manage when we didn't have car-phones?
>
> I hiked a considerable distance to a pay phone myself.
>
>> Hell I can remember when the only cars in the village were the Doctors, the district nurse, the
>> ambulance and of course the bookie and the publican.
Why would a tavern-owner/bartender need a carphone? Housecalls?
> Just as true of houses, clothes, domesticated animals, etc etc etc.
It's interesting to watch old movies -- no cell phones, no computers, no
databases for the finders-of-evildoers to search...
Men's suits hit a high point during the 60s and early 70s, though. God help
you if you weren't skinny enough to look good in one.
--
Cheers,
Bev
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Will give investment advice for food.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.03.05.17.30.44@gmail.com
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:14:35 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> > Sigh..
>> >
>> > I *know* GPS has nothing to do with it, but again, the
>> > sentence I replied to was:
>> >
>> > > Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth
>> > > signal from the GPS unit.
>> >
>> > Again, how many *phones* have GPS..?
>> >
>> >
>> > Ivor
>>
>> Most manufactured in the last four years of so either
>> have GPS or use a modified sort of location finding as
>> mandated by Enhanced 911 services. As a matter of fact,
>> you would be hard pressed to find a carrier that will
>> activate a phone that doesn't have gps on it.
>
> Not in the UK they don't.
>
> Ivor
nor in the US, its done by triangulation.
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Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.03.05.17.28.23@gmail.com
>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:03:26 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
>>>
>>> Ivor
>> I'm sot so sure about that. I and friend go out west
>> every fall and car camp throughout Utah, Colorado, New
>> Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada. He uses an old trimode
>> Tracphone, (prepaid) and I can only remember one or two
>> places that we were that he couldn't get service of some
>> sort.
>>
>> As far as analog goes, there are some areas that don't
>> have coverage, but not very many.
>
> I can show you a few in California.
>
> Ivor
A great deal of eastern Oregon, except near some towns, have little or
no cellular coverage, analog or digital.
--
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"David Chamberlain" <david.chamberlain@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
>> "Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsan.2007.03.05.17.28.23@gmail.com
>>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:03:26 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> There are also vast areas with *no* signal at all..!
>>>>
>>>> Ivor
>>> I'm sot so sure about that. I and friend go out west
>>> every fall and car camp throughout Utah, Colorado, New
>>> Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada. He uses an old trimode
>>> Tracphone, (prepaid) and I can only remember one or two
>>> places that we were that he couldn't get service of some
>>> sort.
>>>
>>> As far as analog goes, there are some areas that don't
>>> have coverage, but not very many.
>>
>> I can show you a few in California.
>>
>> Ivor
>
> A great deal of eastern Oregon, except near some towns, have little or no
> cellular coverage, analog or digital.
> --
> David Chamberlain
This may come as a shock to you but the USA is not the World.
--
Tumbleweed wrote:
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5540jdF22t37qU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Frank Tabor" <ftabor@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsan.2007.03.05.17.30.44@gmail.com
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 22:14:35 +0000, Ivor Jones wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> Sigh..
>>>>
>>>> I *know* GPS has nothing to do with it, but again, the
>>>> sentence I replied to was:
>>>>
>>>>> Most likely they`d be searching for a bluetooth
>>>>> signal from the GPS unit.
>>>> Again, how many *phones* have GPS..?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ivor
>>> Most manufactured in the last four years of so either
>>> have GPS or use a modified sort of location finding as
>>> mandated by Enhanced 911 services. As a matter of fact,
>>> you would be hard pressed to find a carrier that will
>>> activate a phone that doesn't have gps on it.
>> Not in the UK they don't.
>>
>> Ivor
>
> nor in the US, its done by triangulation.
Not according to 24 or CSI! Of course, those 2 documentaries must
be accurate!
Robert Peffers. wrote:
> "David Chamberlain" <david.chamberlain@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>
>>A great deal of eastern Oregon, except near some towns, have little or no
>>cellular coverage, analog or digital.
>
> This may come as a shock to you but the USA is not the World.
This may come as a shock to you but a great deal of the World,
except near some towns, have little or no cellular coverage.
Re: detecting hidden sat nav or phone in car 
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Of course, those 2 documentaries must
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