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Old 08-07-2008, 10:46 AM
London.Embankment@googlemail.com
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Default Does using a mobile phone fry your brain?

Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.


I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.

So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet, but they are not
good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!



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Old 08-07-2008, 11:18 AM
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London.Embankment@googlemail.com wrote:
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?


Clearly something has fried your brain if you believe that, but it was
not a mobile phone or a cellphone.

> Iphone users can just plug in headphones


As can users of just about every other make and model of phone.

> and is it at arms lenght.


Have you tried holding an iphone at arm's length for the duration of a
phone call? I suspect not.

However, you'll only do it once. For the second call the cable will all
be knotted up in your pocket.

> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer.


Really? So the headphones lead won't act as a waveguide and lead the RF
into your ears? That's not what the real world tests suggest.

> However, if you
> have been doing this for years it is already too late.


That's not how it works, in fact. For example, people who have smoked
for decades can vastly improve their chances of avoiding cancer by
stopping.

> You will have
> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.


Almost as painful as reading this sort of twaddle on usenet time and
time again.

> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.


I have heard all sorts of things on the radio. Luckily, having a
scientific education I am able to understand and interpret. It's a
useful skill - I suggest you trey to gain it.

> So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet,


Not if you pay extra line rental to get them, they are not.


> but they are not
> good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!


Do you have evidence for that assertion? Millions of Buddhists would not
agree.


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Old 08-07-2008, 11:46 AM
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<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer.


Stick to trolling

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Old 08-07-2008, 11:58 AM
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:46:30 +0100, London.Embankment@googlemail.com wrote
(in article
<1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):

> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio waves fry
> your brain and cause cancer?


1. Microwaves are of too low energy to be ionising, so are unlikely to cause
cancer.[1]
2. The heating effect will be minimal bearing in mind the powers involved..
does your ear and hand burn when you use it? If not, it is unlikely to be
hurting your brain through your skull.

[1] people are often misled by testing a transmitting mobile phone with a
geiger counter- it goes mad... must be v. ionising.
Not so - I did the same test but then removed the geiger-muller tube by
unplugging it (that is the detecter part); the counter still goes wild- and
for a phone polling the antenna gives the familiar pattern we all have
witnessed when a mobile phone is close to an audio circuit- it is the
interference with the audio circuit electronics which causes the geiger
detector to go wild, not the ionising effects of the radiation. The wires in
the box are acting as an aerial and simply picking up and amplifying the
signal.


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Old 08-07-2008, 12:15 PM
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<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?


Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,

Jan

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Why, I do it again and again."

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Old 08-07-2008, 12:55 PM
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London.Embankment@googlemail.com wrote:
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>
> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
> have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
>
>
> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
>


I *am* a scientist and I've learned to ignore these scaremongering
reports until I've read the /real/ article.

When you do, you'll realise that many of these reports have very little
basis on fact - it's often based on opinion or extrapolation.

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Old 08-07-2008, 01:40 PM
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<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>
>

Clearly a Troll posting from Google

Steve Terry



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Old 08-07-2008, 02:13 PM
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J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> <London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

>
> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,


Much as I hate to feed the troll, I've got to applaud that. Very clever,
Jan!

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Old 08-07-2008, 03:47 PM
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<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?


Maximum output 0.6W, maximum incidence <40%, typical human absorbtion <0.25W
worst case.

Spectra - all radio.

Sunbathing - output ~2kW/m**2 in tropics; human surface ~1m**2; incidence
50%; typical human absorbtion 1kW/

Spectra - mixed bag including UVA and UVB (both ionising radiation known to
cause cancer).

Hence http://www.skincancer.gov.au/

Conclusion - fried brain and cancer unlikely unless you use your phone
standing in the sun...

>
> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
> have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
>
>
> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
>
> So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet, but they are not
> good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!
>
>




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Old 08-07-2008, 08:30 PM
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zoara <me18@privacy.net> wrote:

> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>
> > <London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

> >
> > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,

>
> Much as I hate to feed the troll, I've got to applaud that. Very clever,
> Jan!


Sorry about that, just couldn't resist the temptation.

Maybe I should get a kill-file too?

Jan

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Old 08-07-2008, 09:33 PM
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"Simon Dobbs" <simondobbs@froglet.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C4C0A1D8016A2C9AF01846D8@news.demon.co .uk...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:46:30 +0100, London.Embankment@googlemail.com wrote
> (in article
> <1d1e6d47-c799-49c5-bd0b-c054bb2374d0@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio waves
>> fry
>> your brain and cause cancer?

>
> 1. Microwaves are of too low energy to be ionising, so are unlikely to
> cause
> cancer.[1]
> 2. The heating effect will be minimal bearing in mind the powers
> involved..
> does your ear and hand burn when you use it? If not, it is unlikely to be
> hurting your brain through your skull.
>
> [1] people are often misled by testing a transmitting mobile phone with a
> geiger counter- it goes mad... must be v. ionising.
> Not so - I did the same test but then removed the geiger-muller tube by
> unplugging it (that is the detecter part); the counter still goes wild-
> and
> for a phone polling the antenna gives the familiar pattern we all have
> witnessed when a mobile phone is close to an audio circuit- it is the
> interference with the audio circuit electronics which causes the geiger
> detector to go wild, not the ionising effects of the radiation. The wires
> in
> the box are acting as an aerial and simply picking up and amplifying the
> signal.
>

Well said that man.



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Old 08-07-2008, 11:46 PM
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J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> zoara <me18@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > <London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
> > >
> > > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,

> >
> > Much as I hate to feed the troll, I've got to applaud that. Very clever,
> > Jan!

>
> Sorry about that, just couldn't resist the temptation.
>
> Maybe I should get a kill-file too?


You probably need to sit down if you're feeling that weak.

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Old 08-08-2008, 11:14 AM
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On Aug 7, 1:15*pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

>
> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
>
> Jan
>
> --
> "In my youth," father William replied to his son,
> "I feared it might injure the brain;
> But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
> Why, I do it again and again."


Really, Jan?

Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:


---------------------------------------------------
INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:

Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
lennart.hardell@orebroll.se

We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue. We
identified ten studies on glioma and meta-analysis yielded OR = 0.9,
95% CI = 0.8-1.1. Latency period of > or =10-years gave OR = 1.2, 95%
CI = 0.8-1.9 based on six studies, for ipsilateral use (same side as
tumour) OR = 2.0, 95% CI = 1.2-3.4 (four studies), but contralateral
use did not increase the risk significantly, OR = 1.1, 95% CI =
0.6-2.0. Meta-analysis of nine studies on acoustic neuroma gave OR =
0.9, 95% CI = 0.7-1.1 increasing to OR = 1.3, 95% CI = 0.6-2.8 using >
or =10-years latency period (four studies). Ipsilateral use gave OR =
2.4, 95% CI = 1.1-5.3 and contra-lateral OR = 1.2, 95% CI = 0.7-2.2 in
the > or =10-years latency period group (three studies). Seven studies
gave results for meningioma yielding overall OR = 0.8, 95% CI =
0.7-0.99. Using > or =10-years latency period OR = 1.3, 95% CI =
0.9-1.8 was calculated (four studies) increasing to OR = 1.7, 95% CI =
0.99-3.1 for ipsilateral use and OR = 1.0, 95% CI = 0.3-3.1 for
contralateral use (two studies). We conclude that this meta-analysis
gave a consistent pattern of an association between mobile phone use
and ipsilateral glioma and acoustic neuroma using > or =10-years
latency period.

PMID: 18425337 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


I think you have egg on your face now!!

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Old 08-08-2008, 11:15 AM
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On Aug 8, 12:14*pm, London.Embankm...@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Aug 7, 1:15*pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>
> > <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

>
> > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,

>
> > Jan

>
> > --
> > "In my youth," father William replied to his son,
> > "I feared it might injure the brain;
> > But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
> > Why, I do it again and again."

>
> Really, Jan?
>
> Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>
> Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
> brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
> Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
> lennart.hard...@orebroll.se
>
> We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
> tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue. We
> identified ten studies on glioma and meta-analysis yielded OR = 0.9,
> 95% CI = 0.8-1.1. Latency period of > or =10-years gave OR = 1.2, 95%
> CI = 0.8-1.9 based on six studies, for ipsilateral use (same side as
> tumour) OR = 2.0, 95% CI = 1.2-3.4 (four studies), but contralateral
> use did not increase the risk significantly, OR = 1.1, 95% CI =
> 0.6-2.0. Meta-analysis of nine studies on acoustic neuroma gave OR =
> 0.9, 95% CI = 0.7-1.1 increasing to OR = 1.3, 95% CI = 0.6-2.8 using >
> or =10-years latency period (four studies). Ipsilateral use gave OR =
> 2.4, 95% CI = 1.1-5.3 and contra-lateral OR = 1.2, 95% CI = 0.7-2.2in
> the > or =10-years latency period group (three studies). Seven studies
> gave results for meningioma yielding overall OR = 0.8, 95% CI =
> 0.7-0.99. Using > or =10-years latency period OR = 1.3, 95% CI =
> 0.9-1.8 was calculated (four studies) increasing to OR = 1.7, 95% CI =
> 0.99-3.1 for ipsilateral use and OR = 1.0, 95% CI = 0.3-3.1 for
> contralateral use (two studies). We conclude that this meta-analysis
> gave a consistent pattern of an association between mobile phone use
> and ipsilateral glioma and acoustic neuroma using > or =10-years
> latency period.
>
> PMID: 18425337 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
> I think you have egg on your face now!!
>
> ------------------------


Sorry I forgot the linky:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

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Old 08-08-2008, 04:30 PM
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In article
<a8c2fb35-4f65-4f9e-8e87-637218f69b50@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 1:15*pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> > <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> > > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

> >
> > Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > --
> > "In my youth," father William replied to his son,
> > "I feared it might injure the brain;
> > But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
> > Why, I do it again and again."

>
> Really, Jan?
>
> Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>
> Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
> brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
> Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
> lennart.hardell@orebroll.se
>
> We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
> tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue. We
> identified ten studies on glioma and meta-analysis yielded OR = 0.9,
> 95% CI = 0.8-1.1. Latency period of > or =10-years gave OR = 1.2, 95%
> CI = 0.8-1.9 based on six studies, for ipsilateral use (same side as
> tumour) OR = 2.0, 95% CI = 1.2-3.4 (four studies), but contralateral
> use did not increase the risk significantly, OR = 1.1, 95% CI =
> 0.6-2.0. Meta-analysis of nine studies on acoustic neuroma gave OR =
> 0.9, 95% CI = 0.7-1.1 increasing to OR = 1.3, 95% CI = 0.6-2.8 using >
> or =10-years latency period (four studies). Ipsilateral use gave OR =
> 2.4, 95% CI = 1.1-5.3 and contra-lateral OR = 1.2, 95% CI = 0.7-2.2 in
> the > or =10-years latency period group (three studies). Seven studies
> gave results for meningioma yielding overall OR = 0.8, 95% CI =
> 0.7-0.99. Using > or =10-years latency period OR = 1.3, 95% CI =
> 0.9-1.8 was calculated (four studies) increasing to OR = 1.7, 95% CI =
> 0.99-3.1 for ipsilateral use and OR = 1.0, 95% CI = 0.3-3.1 for
> contralateral use (two studies). We conclude that this meta-analysis
> gave a consistent pattern of an association between mobile phone use
> and ipsilateral glioma and acoustic neuroma using > or =10-years
> latency period.
>
> PMID: 18425337 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>
>
> I think you have egg on your face now!!


Well no. Not if he understands statistics anyway.

What that means when translated into English is that if you use a
mobile phone for ten years AND you suffer a brain tumour, then there is
a slightly greater chance that the tumour will be located on the same
side of the head as the ear to which you habitually hold the phone.

I'm always deeply suspicious of meta-analysis. It's the last resort of
the scientist whose studies have so far failed to provide sufficient
support for his pet theory and a cheap way of getting a publication
without having to do any extra research.

Phil Taylor

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Old 08-08-2008, 05:51 PM
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<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 7, 1:15 pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
> <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
>> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

>>
>> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
>> Jan

>
>Really, Jan?
>Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>
>---------------------------------------------------
>INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>
>Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
>brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
>Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
> lennart.hardell@orebroll.se
>
>We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
>tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue.

<snip>
>
>

Yet another worthless study not taking real risk analysis into account.

Try substituting a real world hazard like standing in the sun,
for similar amounts of time to using a mobile phone.

I can guarantee if you stand in the sun for say 12 hours you'll be as good
as dead,
the effects of 12 hours of mobile phone use, you wouldn't notice.

No one tries to ban a very real health risk like the sun

Steve Terry



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Old 08-09-2008, 01:23 PM
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London.Embankment@googlemail.com wrote:

> I think you have egg on your face now!!


Er, no.

The result of that study was basically that people who suffer these
tumour report that they are on the side that they held their mobile phone.

That is not the same as saying that the phone caused the tumour. One
study (may be the same one, I don't have time to check) also found that
the rate of tumours went down on the side that the phone was not held on.

Now, it is just possible that holding a mobile phone at one distance
causes these tumours and holding it a little further way prevents them,
but I think it is virtually certain that it is not. My strong suspicion
is just that people report using their phone on the side that got a
tumour. Partly because they were brainwashed by the sort of drivel you
have been promoting here.

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Old 08-09-2008, 03:56 PM
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> So: all these free mins may be good for your wallet, but they are not
> good for your health. Look after yourself: you only live once!
>
>

good point...well made....



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Old 08-09-2008, 03:58 PM
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> 1. Microwaves are of too low energy to be ionising, so are unlikely to
> cause
> cancer.[1]
> 2. The heating effect will be minimal bearing in mind the powers
> involved..
> does your ear and hand burn when you use it? If not, it is unlikely to be
> hurting your brain through your skull.


good points... well made ......



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Old 08-09-2008, 06:41 PM
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<London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?


The evidence is unclear at least in relation to gliomas where there is not
enough evidence to prove a causal link or even a correlation.

See for example:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/332/7546/864

But the issues are more complicated - see other articles in/off the bmj
thread for methodological problems that make the existing (reassuring)
studies somewhat flawed.

There are certainly still some important unanswered questions. There are
observations that raise the question - yet to be answered - whether or not
mobile phone use may contribute to the development of salivary tumours for
example.

The question is important not just because of adult use (adults are old
enough to know the risk and to accept it) but also because of child use. I
think there's some evidence - although I can't find the original article -
to say that school age children use mobile phones on average more than the
average adult. It may be the case that the majority of adults who started to
use mobile phones in the late 90s as adults on an infrequent or moderate
basis have less to worry about. See however:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7483/109-a

It is a public health question - which doesn't mean that there's necessarily
anything to worry about at the end of the day.

There's also been a suggestion that wired headphone use may not decrease the
risks (if indeed there are any).

The other concern about using iPhone is that it is a piece of ****.






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Old 08-09-2008, 06:50 PM
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"chris" <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> London.Embankment@googlemail.com wrote:
>> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
>> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>>
>> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
>> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
>> have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
>> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.
>>
>>
>> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.
>>

>
> I *am* a scientist and I've learned to ignore these scaremongering
> reports until I've read the /real/ article.
>
> When you do, you'll realise that many of these reports have very little
> basis on fact - it's often based on opinion or extrapolation.


That isn't the case in relation to mobile phone use and the risk of cancer -
there is clear anecdotal and experimental evidence to suggest that the
question is not scaremongering and that there may be a link.

Gareth.


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Old 08-09-2008, 06:59 PM
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"Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>
> <London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:a8c2fb35-4f65-4f9e-8e87-637218f69b50@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 7, 1:15 pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>> <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
>>> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>>>
>>> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
>>> Jan

>>
>>Really, Jan?
>>Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------
>>INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>>
>>Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
>>brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
>>Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
>> lennart.hardell@orebroll.se
>>
>>We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
>>tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue.

> <snip>
>>
>>

> Yet another worthless study not taking real risk analysis into account.
>
> Try substituting a real world hazard like standing in the sun,
> for similar amounts of time to using a mobile phone.
>
> I can guarantee if you stand in the sun for say 12 hours you'll be as good
> as dead,
> the effects of 12 hours of mobile phone use, you wouldn't notice.
>
> No one tries to ban a very real health risk like the sun


Managing exposure to the sun's harmful physical health effects is a major
focus for health promotion activity in the country:

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/hea...ving/sunsmart/

and in other countries (see the government of Australia websites).

If you make such a comment about something so basic how can your comments on
anything more complicated be taken seriously?




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Old 08-09-2008, 11:53 PM
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"Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:g7i150$eub$1@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> <London.Embankment@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a8c2fb35-4f65-4f9e-8e87-637218f69b50@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 7, 1:15 pm, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
>>> <London.Embankm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
>>>> > waves fry your brain and cause cancer?
>>>>
>>>> Don't you worry, that applies only if you have one,
>>>> Jan
>>>
>>>Really, Jan?
>>>Here is a study in a peer-reviewed medical journal:
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------
>>>INTERNATIONAL JOUNRNAL OF ONCOLOGY:
>>>
>>>Meta-analysis of long-term mobile phone use and the association with
>>>brain tumours.Hardell L, Carlberg M, Söderqvist F, Hansson Mild K.
>>>Department of Oncology, University Hospital, SE-701 85 Orebro, Sweden.
>>> lennart.hardell@orebroll.se
>>>
>>>We evaluated long-term use of mobile phones and the risk for brain
>>>tumours in case-control studies published so far on this issue.

>> <snip>
>>>

>> Yet another worthless study not taking real risk analysis into account.
>>
>> Try substituting a real world hazard like standing in the sun,
>> for similar amounts of time to using a mobile phone.
>>
>> I can guarantee if you stand in the sun for say 12 hours you'll be as
>> good as dead,
>> the effects of 12 hours of mobile phone use, you wouldn't notice.
>>
>> No one tries to ban a very real health risk like the sun

>
> Managing exposure to the sun's harmful physical health effects is a major
> focus for health promotion activity in the country:
>
> http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/hea...ving/sunsmart/
>
> and in other countries (see the government of Australia websites).
>
> If you make such a comment about something so basic how can your comments
> on anything more complicated be taken seriously?
>
>

That's my bloody point, if half the effort to ban mobile phones
was applied to sun exposure, the sun would be banned

It's all about accurate environmental risk management
Clearly Mobile phones come at the bottom of the list

Sun, Air, bacterial, viral, food, water, and many others are at the top

Steve Terry



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Old 08-10-2008, 06:57 AM
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On 9/8/08 14:23, Iain wrote:
> London.Embankment@googlemail.com wrote:
>
>> I think you have egg on your face now!!

>
> Er, no.
>
> The result of that study was basically that people who suffer these
> tumour report that they are on the side that they held their mobile phone.
>
> That is not the same as saying that the phone caused the tumour. One
> study (may be the same one, I don't have time to check) also found that
> the rate of tumours went down on the side that the phone was not held on.
>
> Now, it is just possible that holding a mobile phone at one distance
> causes these tumours and holding it a little further way prevents them,
> but I think it is virtually certain that it is not. My strong suspicion
> is just that people report using their phone on the side that got a
> tumour. Partly because they were brainwashed by the sort of drivel you
> have been promoting here.


That's not right at all.

Obviously, the tumour is controling them subconciously and forcing them
to hold the phone up correctly so that it [the tumour] can correctly
monitor their calls and thus better influence their Usenet postings.

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Old 08-10-2008, 09:17 AM
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On Aug 9, 7:50*pm, "Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote:
> "chris" <ithink...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:g7er4o$sq$1@dux.dundee.ac.uk...
>
>
>
> > London.Embankm...@googlemail.com wrote:
> >> Did you know that if you hold a cell-phone to your head the radio
> >> waves fry your brain and cause cancer?

>
> >> Iphone users can just plug in headphones and is it at arms lenght.
> >> That way your brain will be safe from rampant cancer. However, if you
> >> have been doing this for years it is already too late. You will have
> >> to endure years of chemotherapy and a slow, painful death.

>
> >> I am not a scientist but I did hear it on the radio once.

>
> > I *am* a scientist and I've learned to ignore these scaremongering
> > reports until I've read the /real/ article.

>
> > When you do, you'll realise that many of these reports have very little
> > basis on fact - it's often based on opinion or extrapolation.

>
> That isn't the case in relation to mobile phone use and the risk of cancer -
> there is clear anecdotal and experimental evidence to suggest that the
> question is not scaremongering and that there may be a link.
>
> Gareth.


Anecdotal evidence is worthless. Experimental evidence is only as
good as the methods used to collect the data and analyse it.

Greenpeace once persuaded the Peruvian government that chlorine in
drinking water was dangerous. They stopped chlorinating water, and
the results was thousands dead from cholera.
http://www.americanchemistry.com/s_c...89&CTYPEID=109

And lets not even start on MMR, thanks to that little bit of
scaremongering, thousands of children might end up disabled or dead
from the infections MMR was meant to prevent, because their parents
were frightened of an imagined danger of autism based on an awfully
written report that was given far more credit than it deserved.

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Old 08-10-2008, 05:08 PM
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"Gordon" <gordon.mcvey@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 9, 7:50 pm, "Gareth" <hotmail.com@dgareth_nospam.com> wrote:
> "chris" <ithink...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g7er4o$sq$1@dux.dundee.ac.uk...
> > London.Embankm...@googlemail.com wrote:

<snip>
>Greenpeace once persuaded the Peruvian government that chlorine in
>drinking water was dangerous. They stopped chlorinating water, and
>the results was thousands dead from cholera.
> http://www.americanchemistry.com/s_c...89&CTYPEID=109
>
>And lets not even start on MMR, thanks to that little bit of
>scaremongering, thousands of children might end up disabled or dead
>from the infections MMR was meant to prevent, because their parents
>were frightened of an imagined danger of autism based on an awfully
>written report that was given far more credit than it deserved.
>
>

MMR is very different, many parents would be only to happy to accept
separate vaccines as used to be offered, but the Gov insists it's dogma
of forcing MMR

Enlightened parents having to take their children to Europe to get the
vaccines they want

Give back parents the choice they used to have, would solve entirely
the Gov produced problem

Steve Terry



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Old 08-10-2008, 06:26 PM
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In message <g7n7aq$5fm$1@news.albasani.net>
"Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote:

> MMR is very different, many parents would be only to happy to accept
> separate vaccines as used to be offered, but the Gov insists it's dogma
> of forcing MMR


That's because MMR protects better than the separate jabs.

Dave

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"Dave Higton" <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> In message <g7n7aq$5fm$1@news.albasani.net>
> "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> MMR is very different, many parents would be only to happy to accept
>> separate vaccines as used to be offered, but the Gov insists it's dogma
>> of forcing MMR

>
> That's because MMR protects better than the separate jabs.
> Dave
>

and separate jabs eliminates any risk of damage using a multiple vaccine.

All the parents want is the choice they had, of course if they got it,
MMR wouldn't get used, Gov policy would fail.

Uncle Joe Gordo knows best

Steve Terry



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In article <g7nedt$bsf$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
<gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote:

> "Dave Higton" <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:f03dc9cc4f.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com...
> > In message <g7n7aq$5fm$1@news.albasani.net>
> > "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote:
> >
> >> MMR is very different, many parents would be only to happy to accept
> >> separate vaccines as used to be offered, but the Gov insists it's dogma
> >> of forcing MMR

> >
> > That's because MMR protects better than the separate jabs.
> > Dave
> >

> and separate jabs eliminates any risk of damage using a multiple vaccine.

Three holes good. One hole bad.

> All the parents want is the choice they had, of course if they got it,
> MMR wouldn't get used, Gov policy would fail.
>
> Uncle Joe Gordo knows best


Uncle Joe Gordo, pathetically despicable as his policies may be, can
claim no credit, either way. It was in place long before he was. With
luck MMR will outlive his hold on No. 10

MMR is a logical and sensible immunisation procedure. Well backed up
with scientific evidence, then semi-sunk by superstitious muppets egged
on by a self-serving gutter press.

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Old 08-10-2008, 07:27 PM
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"Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <g7nedt$bsf$1@news.albasani.net>, Steve Terry
> <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote:
>> "Dave Higton" <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
>> news:f03dc9cc4f.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com...
>> > In message <g7n7aq$5fm$1@news.albasani.net>
>> > "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote:
>> >

<snip>
> MMR is a logical and sensible immunisation procedure. Well backed up
> with scientific evidence, then semi-sunk by superstitious muppets egged
> on by a self-serving gutter press.
>
>

What's sensible about attacking the bodies immunity system
with multiple vaccines at once?
Give the body a chance to assimilate them one by one

The only reason the Gov wants MMR is it cheaper and easier

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