Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish
> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff
> please!!!
>
> What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up?
>
> I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service
> with someone who doesn't use childish names
> for their tarriffs.
>
Orange set up a dept to spent over a million quid and take over a year to
develop animal tariffs.
After losing millions of contract customers with it, the execs responsible
are now determined to make it work on PAYT.
They have to, their reason to exist and collect enormous pay packets depends
on it.
I suspect one of them as a student glanced at a copy of Sigmund Freuds
totems and taboos, but didn't get as far as to read about how animal totems
are infantile
So what will happen is they'll lose a few million more PAYT customers,
to networks like 3 with their very simple to understand flat 12,
before they finally get the boot.
Which all goes to show just out of touch with reality FT Orange execs
have got since Snook left
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:05:48 UTC, "J B" <jb@invalid.com> wrote:
> "Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
> news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service
> > with someone who doesn't use childish names
> > for their tarriffs.
>
> Isn't that being a little childish, throwing your teddy out coz you don't
> like the name?
>
> ;-)
OK then, childish expensive tariffs!
I just have two Orange PAYG phones left to move off Orange...having
reviewed the spending over the past two years, I'd be better of on a 3
contract tariff (and get a couple of other major advantages too).
--
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:54:21 +0100, "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net>
wrote:
>
>"Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
>news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish
>> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff
>> please!!!
>>
>> What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up?
>>
>> I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service
>> with someone who doesn't use childish names
>> for their tarriffs.
>>
>Orange set up a dept to spent over a million quid and take over a year to
>develop animal tariffs.
>
>After losing millions of contract customers with it, the execs responsible
>are now determined to make it work on PAYT.
>They have to, their reason to exist and collect enormous pay packets depends
>on it.
>
>I suspect one of them as a student glanced at a copy of Sigmund Freuds
>totems and taboos, but didn't get as far as to read about how animal totems
>are infantile
>
>So what will happen is they'll lose a few million more PAYT customers,
>to networks like 3 with their very simple to understand flat 12,
>before they finally get the boot.
>
>Which all goes to show just out of touch with reality FT Orange execs
>have got since Snook left
>
>Steve Terry
Ah, yes, the good old days with Hans Snook.
Wasn't he the man who said, in so many words, that mobile phone
customers were being ripped off and he wanted to see some fair
tariffs?
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"Brian A" <no_spam_bca1000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v6uq54lhgfckbnfaeqr2gtvclb5uh44rhh@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:54:21 +0100, "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>>"Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
>>news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish
>>> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff
>>> please!!!
>>>
>>> What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up?
>>>
>>> I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone
>>> service with someone who doesn't use childish names
>>> for their tarriffs.
>>>
>>Orange set up a dept to spent over a million quid and take over a year to
>>develop animal tariffs.
>>
>>After losing millions of contract customers with it, the execs responsible
>>are now determined to make it work on PAYT.
>>They have to, their reason to exist and collect enormous pay packets
>>depends
>>on it.
>>
>>I suspect one of them as a student glanced at a copy of Sigmund Freuds
>>totems and taboos, but didn't get as far as to read about how animal
>>totems
>>are infantile
>>
>>So what will happen is they'll lose a few million more PAYT customers,
>>to networks like 3 with their very simple to understand flat 12,
>>before they finally get the boot.
>>
>>Which all goes to show just out of touch with reality FT Orange execs
>>have got since Snook left
>>Steve Terry
>
> Ah, yes, the good old days with Hans Snook.
> Wasn't he the man who said, in so many words, that mobile phone
> customers were being ripped off and he wanted to see some fair
> tariffs?
>
He was certainly egalitarian, personal customers got as much as
business customers, and he was big on adding innovative services.
Not no more, e.g. only Business now get free 0800.
and Wildfire, Everyphone, Line2, etc etc. all gone
So FT Orange took his philosophy which made Orange great,
passed mostly by word of mouth, and flushed it down the toilet
where no amount of infantile advertising will save it.
A good measure of which is the Orange list, at it's peak around 2002
about a thousand postings month by dozens of knowledgeable Orange
enthusiasts were posted, i checked this month and only one post has
been made for June
Orange was the only mobile phone network to have such a list,
more expertise Orange could have accessed, flushed down the shitter
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:g3jf9q$efn$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
> news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
> > It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish
> > touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff
> > please!!!
> >
> > What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up?
> >
> > I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service
> > with someone who doesn't use childish names
> > for their tarriffs.
> >
> Orange set up a dept to spent over a million quid and take over a year to
> develop animal tariffs.
>
> After losing millions of contract customers with it, the execs responsible
> are now determined to make it work on PAYT.
> They have to, their reason to exist and collect enormous pay packets
depends
> on it.
>
> I suspect one of them as a student glanced at a copy of Sigmund Freuds
> totems and taboos, but didn't get as far as to read about how animal
totems
> are infantile
>
> So what will happen is they'll lose a few million more PAYT customers,
> to networks like 3 with their very simple to understand flat 12,
> before they finally get the boot.
>
> Which all goes to show just out of touch with reality FT Orange execs
> have got since Snook left
>
> Steve Terry
Well I guess it will lose them plenty of customers on PAYG too....
Its pathetic. I'm off, they can keep their childish and expensive tarriffs.
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
Steve Terry wrote:
>>
> He was certainly egalitarian, personal customers got as much as
> business customers, and he was big on adding innovative services.
> Not no more, e.g. only Business now get free 0800.
> and Wildfire, Everyphone, Line2, etc etc. all gone
>
> So FT Orange took his philosophy which made Orange great,
> passed mostly by word of mouth, and flushed it down the toilet
> where no amount of infantile advertising will save it.
>
> A good measure of which is the Orange list, at it's peak around 2002
> about a thousand postings month by dozens of knowledgeable Orange
> enthusiasts were posted, i checked this month and only one post has
> been made for June
>
> Orange was the only mobile phone network to have such a list,
> more expertise Orange could have accessed, flushed down the shitter
>
> Steve Terry
>
>
I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and
products, wildfire was fabulous, why they ever got rid of that I don't
know, I moved to Voda after being with Orange for a long time, and
whilst the reception and customer service were generally better, they
hardly have any interesting services.
I'm with 3 now, and the amount of gadgets and services they've got is
boggling!
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"xCx" <xcx@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:6c6o99F3fdta1U1@mid.individual.net...
> Steve Terry wrote:
<snip>
> I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and
> products, wildfire was fabulous, why they ever got rid of that I don't
> know, I moved to Voda after being with Orange for a long time, and whilst
> the reception and customer service were generally better, they hardly have
> any interesting services.
>
> I'm with 3 now, and the amount of gadgets and services they've got is
> boggling!
>
My main phone is now on 3, but apart from 3s planet wap, additional
services are lacking they could have services like Line 2 and everyphone
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:nslt54hpds59v5q1pf6klvb5tcsu53omdk@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:20:02 +0100, "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"xCx" <xcx@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>>news:6c6o99F3fdta1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>><snip>
>>> I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and
>>> products, wildfire was fabulous, why they ever got rid of that I don't
>>> know, I moved to Voda after being with Orange for a long time, and
>>> whilst
>>> the reception and customer service were generally better, they hardly
>>> have
>>> any interesting services.
>>>
>>> I'm with 3 now, and the amount of gadgets and services they've got is
>>> boggling!
>>>
>>My main phone is now on 3, but apart from 3s planet wap, additional
>>services are lacking they could have services like Line 2 and everyphone
>
> And one could come down to earth and start using telephones once again
> has they where meant to be used "to conduct a conversation with
> someone miles away" not for taking pictures with or accessing the
> internet. Cameras where invented to take pictures with and a computer
> is used for accessing the Internet NOT a bloody telephone for Gods
> sake.
>
Which is what the lost Orange services like line 2 and Everyphone did,
actually improve chances of getting or making a call.
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:05:48 +0100, "J B" <jb@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> "Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
>> news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone
>>> service with someone who doesn't use childish names
>>> for their tarriffs.
>>
>> Isn't that being a little childish, throwing your teddy out coz you
>> don't like the name?
>>
>> ;-)
> Virgin media are just has bad with their small medium and large
> broadband offerings .
Not quite... At least you can make a reasonable guess what the (relative)
difference between them is. Large broadband is probably faster (and
therefore more expensive) than Small broadband.
WTF is the difference between Dolphin and Racoon??? Which is the cheapest if
I make mostly calls to other mobiles??? No idea at all!!
Seems to me it's just a way of confusing customers into choosing the wrong
tariff and so spending more money than they needed to.
--
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish
> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff
> please!!!
>
> What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up?
It is aimed at unsphisticated users, who don't choose their phone or tarrif
rationally.
>
> I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service
> with someone who doesn't use childish names
> for their tarriffs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:IpudnUwi9tzqG8LVnZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d@bt.com...
> "Chapie" <no-chance-goaway@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
> news:6c4dacF3empt3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish
>> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff
>> please!!!
>>
>> What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up?
>
> It is aimed at unsphisticated users, who don't choose their phone or
> tarrif rationally.
>
I suspect some third rate commercial psychologist convinced Orange
that cuddly wuddly animal symbols would appeal to the unconscious mind
of Orange victims (sorry customers)
Probably the same twat that convinced Pizzaland to paint their restaurants
puke green
Pizzaland? who they? exactly, they've folded up.
A advertising agency friend tells me it's folk law in their industry that
the BA
ad with Greek urns, where all their passengers are shown as idiots cos they
all have a worthless fake Greek urn in their hand luggage, is known as the
worst ad in history and is taught as an object lesson on how not to do it.
Never make your buying public look fools.
Well Orange is now number two, making the same mistake by making film
stars look prats, by moronic Orange film execs
It's funny for 5 seconds and humiliatingly bad for Oranges image the rest
Your smartarse post neatly illustrates ChrisM's point - what on earth
have the names of the tariffs got to do with what service one can expect
from the tariff?
--
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> On 23 Jun 2008 19:44:05 GMT, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Your smartarse post neatly illustrates ChrisM's point - what on earth
>> have the names of the tariffs got to do with what service one can
>> expect from the tariff?
> Quite a lot would you give your custom to a taxi service named cow
> dung taxis ! .
eh?
You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis'
We're saying what does 'Dolphin' or whatever, tell you about the tariff?
--
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
In message <etednQ0WFPDIK_3VnZ2dnUVZ8vmdnZ2d@bt.com>, ChrisM
<chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> writes
>You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis'
>
I would prefer to use safe and reliable :-)
>We're saying what does 'Dolphin' or whatever, tell you about the tariff?
Nothing at all as far as I can see only that Dolphins are probably more
intelligent than the marketing people unless their aim was purely to get
people talking about the tariffs without understanding which was which.
How long do you think it will be before they come out with Donkey?
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:06:24 +0100, "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net>
wrote:
>
><mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:nslt54hpds59v5q1pf6klvb5tcsu53omdk@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:20:02 +0100, "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"xCx" <xcx@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>>>news:6c6o99F3fdta1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>> I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and
>>>> products, wildfire was fabulous, why they ever got rid of that I don't
>>>> know, I moved to Voda after being with Orange for a long time, and
>>>> whilst
>>>> the reception and customer service were generally better, they hardly
>>>> have
>>>> any interesting services.
>>>>
>>>> I'm with 3 now, and the amount of gadgets and services they've got is
>>>> boggling!
>>>>
>>>My main phone is now on 3, but apart from 3s planet wap, additional
>>>services are lacking they could have services like Line 2 and everyphone
>>
>> And one could come down to earth and start using telephones once again
>> has they where meant to be used "to conduct a conversation with
>> someone miles away" not for taking pictures with or accessing the
>> internet. Cameras where invented to take pictures with and a computer
>> is used for accessing the Internet NOT a bloody telephone for Gods
>> sake.
Not for me. I want my phone to do lots of things so that I only need
carry one thing around with me that does everything.
There have been many times when I've been out walking that I have
taken lots of pictures and then enhanced them on the computer later.
I only have a 6230i but I use every facility on it except 'push to
talk' plus I run java applications. I am just waiting for a phone that
will adequately do all I want, that includes wifi and touchscreen,
before I get another phone. I am not in favour of locked down systems
like the iPhone so I won't be going in that direction but the HTC
Diamond is approaching what I want.
So, you see, some people might only want to to use a phone just to
call people but I want a multifunction device where access to the Net
is cheap. The latter condition has some way to go yet.
>>
>Which is what the lost Orange services like line 2 and Everyphone did,
>actually improve chances of getting or making a call.
Yes, I used Everyphone and was sorry to lose it. It appears that if
Orange can't see a direct benefit to themselves they dump it. Services
like Everyphone, free 0800 calling, line 2 etc. can reduce churn by
gaining customer satisfaction. Only line 2 remains to the ordinary
punter.
My main complaint, in regard to al the operators, is the compulsion to
subscribe to services that you don't want. For example, 'Three'
advertise a price and then you find that you have to add 'video
calling' to the price even though you don't want the service. Then
there are the tariffs that compel you to buy texts when you may not
want them.
What if your main interest is Net access? It is often the case that
you have to buy into more minutes than you want or texts or pay for
something else that you don't want. Why not have tariffs with a true
mix - Choose how much data you want, how many minutes and how many
texts or other services without compulsion to buy into more than you
want? If mobile phone companies actually did things to please the
customer then they would reduce churn and could then actually increase
their profits via a win - win situation.
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"Paul Harris" <nospam@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:qZRlkXK8wLYIFwu9@zen50073.zen.co.uk...
> In message <etednQ0WFPDIK_3VnZ2dnUVZ8vmdnZ2d@bt.com>, ChrisM
> <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> writes
>
>>You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis'
>>
> I would prefer to use safe and reliable :-)
>
>>We're saying what does 'Dolphin' or whatever, tell you about the tariff?
>
> Nothing at all as far as I can see only that Dolphins are probably more
> intelligent than the marketing people unless their aim was purely to get
> people talking about the tariffs without understanding which was which.
> How long do you think it will be before they come out with Donkey?
>
> --
> Paul Harris
No Lamprey, Calf and Bedbug - they are all suckers!
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:485ffd05$0$78077$bed64819@news.gradwell.net.. .
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:05:33 +0100, Dave wrote:
>
>> "ChrisM" <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:LMmdncbJDOIO_cLVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>>> WTF is the difference between Dolphin and Racoon???
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racoon
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel
>
> Your smartarse post neatly illustrates ChrisM's point - what on earth
> have the names of the tariffs got to do with what service one can expect
> from the tariff?
>
Check out the back of a CPW monthly catalogue for tariifs.
What the Orange animal tariffs offers in the way of text or calls actually
varies with 12, 18, or 24 month contracts, so they aren't even constant!
What insanely expensively developed, infantile crap.
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"Paul Harris" <nospam@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:qZRlkXK8wLYIFwu9@zen50073.zen.co.uk...
> In message <etednQ0WFPDIK_3VnZ2dnUVZ8vmdnZ2d@bt.com>, ChrisM
> <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> writes
>
>>You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis'
>
> I would prefer to use safe and reliable :-)
>
>>We're saying what does 'Dolphin' or whatever, tell you about the tariff?
>
> Nothing at all as far as I can see only that Dolphins are probably more
> intelligent than the marketing people unless their aim was purely to get
> people talking about the tariffs without understanding which was which.
> How long do you think it will be before they come out with Donkey?
> Paul Harris
>
>
Most Orange customers have already joined the Rat tariff,
that's the one where one leaves the sinking ship.
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:31:09 +0100, Steve Terry wrote:
> So FT Orange took his philosophy which made Orange great, passed mostly
> by word of mouth, and flushed it down the toilet where no amount of
> infantile advertising will save it.
>
> A good measure of which is the Orange list, at it's peak around 2002
> about a thousand postings month by dozens of knowledgeable Orange
> enthusiasts were posted, i checked this month and only one post has been
> made for June
Perhaps FT are 'doing a Tiscali' with Orange - making it attractive to a
potential buyer by pissing off anybody left who has a clue [ie costs them
too much]. I could be very wrong, of course. I don't personally know
anybody who is on Orange, and positive comments about Orange in this
august forum are very few and far between.
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Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4862bf6b$0$78072$bed64819@news.gradwell.net.. .
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:31:09 +0100, Steve Terry wrote:
>
>> So FT Orange took his philosophy which made Orange great, passed mostly
>> by word of mouth, and flushed it down the toilet where no amount of
>> infantile advertising will save it.
>>
>> A good measure of which is the Orange list, at it's peak around 2002
>> about a thousand postings month by dozens of knowledgeable Orange
>> enthusiasts were posted, i checked this month and only one post has been
>> made for June
>
> Perhaps FT are 'doing a Tiscali' with Orange - making it attractive to a
> potential buyer by pissing off anybody left who has a clue [ie costs them
> too much]. I could be very wrong, of course. I don't personally know
> anybody who is on Orange, and positive comments about Orange in this
> august forum are very few and far between.
>
>
Not a chance, No it's simply since Snook left (after created a success),
FT Orange UK have developed a pretentious under skilled, over egoed,
up there own arse management.
Their customers know it, but up in the rarefied closed atmosphere,
of their ivory towers, FT Management don't hear it.
Like most of UK management, the emperor has no clothes.
Re: Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
In news:qZRlkXK8wLYIFwu9@zen50073.zen.co.uk,
Paul Harris <nospam@127.0.0.1> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: In message <etednQ0WFPDIK_3VnZ2dnUVZ8vmdnZ2d@bt.com>, ChrisM
: <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> writes
:
: >You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis'
: >
: I would prefer to use safe and reliable :-)
:
: >We're saying what does 'Dolphin' or whatever, tell you about the
: >tariff?
:
: Nothing at all as far as I can see only that Dolphins are probably
: more intelligent than the marketing people
So long, and thanks for all the fish.................
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