email on a mobile phone

I'm fed up of lugging my old laptop around when we go on weekends away
just to pick up work emails, especially as I connect at 9.6 through
the modem on my old Nokia 6100 (which I kept just for this purpose).

I have a Sony Ericsson K800i, which I set up today to send/pick up
email from my work account - everything works perfectly BUT it's
stupidly tedious writing and replying to emails and I don't think it's
going to work for me with the K800i

The idea of a mobile for emailing really appeals to me, and I'm sure
there are better models around, I'd be grateful for any feedback on
emails through phones - I've had a quick look at Blackberrys, but do
they offer anything I can't get in a normal phone?

I'm more than happy to swap my phone (and contract) over, but I'm
looking for a little real world experience and advice......is a Nokia
N73 better than the K800i, or should I only be looking at
Blackberrys? Any help really appreciated.

thanks in advance
Neil

<tireless.orion@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm fed up of lugging my old laptop around when we go on weekends away
> just to pick up work emails, especially as I connect at 9.6 through
> the modem on my old Nokia 6100 (which I kept just for this purpose).
>
> I have a Sony Ericsson K800i, which I set up today to send/pick up
> email from my work account - everything works perfectly BUT it's
> stupidly tedious writing and replying to emails and I don't think it's
> going to work for me with the K800i
>

When you say "stupidly tedious writing and replying", do you mean using the
phone keypad?
You'll get the same if you use a N73.
I used to have a Treo 600 which I used for mail and text, cos it had the
full qwerty keypad it was very good for writing.I used to sync with outlook
once I got home.

I've now got a Nokia N73 after the Treo gave up the ghost and died. I use
the N73 for email viewing and replying, but I've got used to writing in
predictive text format. I check my mail via googlemail online via the Opera
Mobile browser, that way I don't need to download anything and I can set
googlemail to reply with a different email address rather than the
googlemail one.

> The idea of a mobile for emailing really appeals to me, and I'm sure
> there are better models around, I'd be grateful for any feedback on
> emails through phones - I've had a quick look at Blackberrys, but do
> they offer anything I can't get in a normal phone?
>

I'm not a big blackberry fan, there are more better pda type phones around
than then blackberries.

> I'm more than happy to swap my phone (and contract) over, but I'm
> looking for a little real world experience and advice......is a Nokia
> N73 better than the K800i, or should I only be looking at
> Blackberrys? Any help really appreciated.
>

Both phones are good, but I think the N73 has more versatility, but I'm
waiting to upgrade to the new N95 (8G phone as I miss having wifi on my
phone.

> thanks in advance
> Neil
>

--
Gerry (The MOTH)

>
> When you say "stupidly tedious writing and replying", do you mean using the
> phone keypad?
>
Yes, the keypad makes it almost unusable for more than the shortest
email. I guess there's the possibility of a small bluetooth keyboard?


> I've now got a Nokia N73 after the Treo gave up the ghost and died. I use
> the N73 for email viewing and replying, but I've got used to writing in
> predictive text format. I check my mail via googlemail online via the Opera
> Mobile browser, that way I don't need to download anything and I can set
> googlemail to reply with a different email address rather than the
> googlemail one.

If you use a POP3 account, does it just download the headers and allow
you to choose which to read?

> > The idea of a mobile for emailing really appeals to me, and I'm sure
> > there are better models around, I'd be grateful for any feedback on
> > emails through phones - I've had a quick look at Blackberrys, but do
> > they offer anything I can't get in a normal phone?
>
> I'm not a big blackberry fan, there are more better pda type phones around
> than then blackberries.

That's what I thought, but I haven't looked at phones for about a
year!

> > I'm more than happy to swap my phone (and contract) over, but I'm
> > looking for a little real world experience and advice......is a Nokia
> > N73 better than the K800i, or should I only be looking at
> > Blackberrys? Any help really appreciated.
>
> Both phones are good, but I think the N73 has more versatility, but I'm
> waiting to upgrade to the new N95 (8G phone as I miss having wifi on my
> phone.
>
I think the N73 would be more suitable, but will certainly look at an
N95, thanks.

Any more suggestions?

tireless.orion@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm fed up of lugging my old laptop around when we go on weekends away
> just to pick up work emails, especially as I connect at 9.6 through
> the modem on my old Nokia 6100 (which I kept just for this purpose).
>
> I have a Sony Ericsson K800i, which I set up today to send/pick up
> email from my work account - everything works perfectly BUT it's
> stupidly tedious writing and replying to emails and I don't think it's
> going to work for me with the K800i
>
> The idea of a mobile for emailing really appeals to me, and I'm sure
> there are better models around, I'd be grateful for any feedback on
> emails through phones - I've had a quick look at Blackberrys, but do
> they offer anything I can't get in a normal phone?
>
> I'm more than happy to swap my phone (and contract) over, but I'm
> looking for a little real world experience and advice......is a Nokia
> N73 better than the K800i, or should I only be looking at
> Blackberrys? Any help really appreciated.
>
> thanks in advance
> Neil
>

Have a look at some of the larger HTC models - as rebranded by almost
everyone - for example I have an HTC Hermes (aka HTC Tytn Vodafone 1605)
and it's great for all-but wordprocessing. The Hermes is getting a bit
long in the tooth now and there are newer models just coming out, but it
gives you an idea of what's around:

http://www.europe.htc.com/en/products/htctytn.html

Here's its replacement:

http://www.europe.htc.com/en/products/htctytn2.html

tireless.orion@gmail.com declared for all the world to hear...
> I'm fed up of lugging my old laptop around when we go on weekends away
> just to pick up work emails, especially as I connect at 9.6 through
> the modem on my old Nokia 6100 (which I kept just for this purpose).
>
> I have a Sony Ericsson K800i, which I set up today to send/pick up
> email from my work account - everything works perfectly BUT it's
> stupidly tedious writing and replying to emails and I don't think it's
> going to work for me with the K800i
>
> The idea of a mobile for emailing really appeals to me, and I'm sure
> there are better models around, I'd be grateful for any feedback on
> emails through phones - I've had a quick look at Blackberrys, but do
> they offer anything I can't get in a normal phone?

Not really, apart from a half-arsed full keyboard. For replying to
emails you need a proper keyboard, SPV-M3100 or E650 if you prefer a bit
smaller (there are Orange models).

> I'm more than happy to swap my phone (and contract) over, but I'm
> looking for a little real world experience and advice......is a Nokia
> N73 better than the K800i, or should I only be looking at
> Blackberrys? Any help really appreciated.

If email is your primary objective then get a full qwerty keyboard, the
bigger the better. All else is secondary. If your company uses an
exchange server I would go for a windows device, as you then have the
possibility of syncing with the exchange server remotely.
--
Regards
Jon

In message <1189013463.804091.265250@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups .com>,
"tireless.orion@gmail.com" <tireless.orion@gmail.com> writes
>I'm fed up of lugging my old laptop around when we go on weekends away
>just to pick up work emails, especially as I connect at 9.6 through
>the modem on my old Nokia 6100 (which I kept just for this purpose).
>
>
Your first question (to yourself) is do you want to collect e-mail
occasionally and when you want to, or do you want 'push' e-mail which
arrives on your device unsolicited when the sender sends it (allowing
for the usual routing delays, normally slight).

For the latter I believe you need a blackberry or blackberry type device
and account.

Why do you need to pick up work e-mails on weekends away? The arrival
of (first) mobile phones then Blackberries has effectively killed
initiative and delegation in many organisations as the 'boss' can be
contacted at all times for the most trivial reasons. If it is your
business, maybe, and if you are paid to be on rota certainly, and once
in a while when there are big deals going on, fine, but for anyone else
and for most of the time, what can't wait to Monday?

Sorry to rant - but as a HR professional I have seen the dumbing down of
staff over the years to the extent that no-one will take a decision
unless they have 'checked'. If they couldn't, like the boss buried his
blackberry in a bucket of sand and had a real holiday, they would
re-discover initiative, learn to evaluate and manage risk and get most
things right anyway.

E-mail becomes both intrusive and addictive, so its a life/social
question rather than a technical one. Your choice. My way suits me,
but I recognise we all have different pressures.

My old tech solution is a palm Zire via infra red to a Nokia 6310. I
use it rarely, when I want to send something. The palm screen is
reasonably fast to write on, much faster than a phone keypad, so maybe
something more modern like a Treo would fit the bill? The palm OS is
disliked by many, but it is very stable and very user friendly and by
virtue of not being microsoft generally remains free of viri and the
like as no one seems to bother much about attacking it.
--
Richard C

> Your first question (to yourself) is do you want to collect e-mail
> occasionally and when you want to, or do you want 'push' e-mail which
> arrives on your device unsolicited when the sender sends it (allowing
> for the usual routing delays, normally slight).

collect email when I want to - not interested in push email


> For the latter I believe you need a blackberry or blackberry type device
> and account.
>
> Why do you need to pick up work e-mails on weekends away? The arrival
> of (first) mobile phones then Blackberries has effectively killed
> initiative and delegation in many organisations as the 'boss' can be
> contacted at all times for the most trivial reasons. If it is your
> business, maybe, and if you are paid to be on rota certainly, and once
> in a while when there are big deals going on, fine, but for anyone else
> and for most of the time, what can't wait to Monday?

my own company, and I need to have access over the weekends (although
I do answer them very selectively)

> Sorry to rant - but as a HR professional I have seen the dumbing down of
> staff over the years to the extent that no-one will take a decision
> unless they have 'checked'. If they couldn't, like the boss buried his
> blackberry in a bucket of sand and had a real holiday, they would
> re-discover initiative, learn to evaluate and manage risk and get most
> things right anyway.
>
> E-mail becomes both intrusive and addictive, so its a life/social
> question rather than a technical one. Your choice. My way suits me,
> but I recognise we all have different pressures.

It doesn't get in the way, but the old way (laptop infrared to mobile)
was too slow and unreliable.

thank you for your comments, much appreciated

<tireless.orion@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1189013463.804091.265250@y42g2000hsy.googlegr oups.com...
> I'm fed up of lugging my old laptop around when we go on weekends away
> just to pick up work emails, especially as I connect at 9.6 through
> the modem on my old Nokia 6100 (which I kept just for this purpose).
>
> I have a Sony Ericsson K800i, which I set up today to send/pick up
> email from my work account - everything works perfectly BUT it's
> stupidly tedious writing and replying to emails and I don't think it's
> going to work for me with the K800i
>
> The idea of a mobile for emailing really appeals to me, and I'm sure
> there are better models around, I'd be grateful for any feedback on
> emails through phones - I've had a quick look at Blackberrys, but do
> they offer anything I can't get in a normal phone?
>
> I'm more than happy to swap my phone (and contract) over, but I'm
> looking for a little real world experience and advice......is a Nokia
> N73 better than the K800i, or should I only be looking at
> Blackberrys? Any help really appreciated.
>
> thanks in advance
> Neil
>

I use my N95 with Web-n-Walk to receive email when I'm out and about.

I generally reply with a quick 'I'm out' message and reply in more detail
when I get back to the office/home.

--
AntiSpamBloke
'From' address is a spamtrap.
Direct email: asb-at-emailssl.com.

richard@mapson_cowling1.demon.co.uk declared for all the world to
hear...
> For the latter I believe you need a blackberry or blackberry type device
> and account.

You believe incorrectly. A phone with a POP3 client can be made to auto-
check every x minutes, which is the same result as what a blackberry
does.
--
Regards
Jon

<tireless.orion@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> If you use a POP3 account, does it just download the headers and allow
> you to choose which to read?
>

If you use the built-in email client you can select headers only.

--
Gerry (The MOTH)

In message <MPG.2149a96636cf67f098ac42@text.usenet.plus.net >, Jon
<spam@jonparker.plus.com> writes
>richard@mapson_cowling1.demon.co.uk declared for all the world to
>hear...
>> For the latter I believe you need a blackberry or blackberry type device
>> and account.
>
>You believe incorrectly. A phone with a POP3 client can be made to auto-
>check every x minutes, which is the same result as what a blackberry
>does.
Wow - I thought you needed some kind of £20 per month blackberry deal to
do that .... Thanks, if I ever go that way it will be useful. Presumably
it uses GPRS or 3G rather than dialling a WAP number every time.
--
Richard C

> The idea of a mobile for emailing really appeals to me, and I'm sure
> there are better models around, I'd be grateful for any feedback on
> emails through phones - I've had a quick look at Blackberrys, but do
> they offer anything I can't get in a normal phone?

I've got a HTC S710 which has a slide out keyboard and Windows Mobile 6.
Love it but it's not without it's annoyances, mostly software related but
hey - it's Windows ;-)

Cheers, Rob.

richard@mapson_cowling1.demon.co.uk declared for all the world to
hear...
> >You believe incorrectly. A phone with a POP3 client can be made to auto-
> >check every x minutes, which is the same result as what a blackberry
> >does.

> Wow - I thought you needed some kind of £20 per month blackberry deal to
> do that .... Thanks, if I ever go that way it will be useful. Presumably
> it uses GPRS or 3G rather than dialling a WAP number every time.

Thats right.
--
Regards
Jon

>> it uses GPRS or 3G rather than dialling a WAP number every time.

GPRS can be very expensive but most operators are now offering good data
deals like T-Mobile.

Cheers, Rob.

<tireless.orion@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'm more than happy to swap my phone (and contract) over, but I'm
> looking for a little real world experience and advice......is a Nokia
> N73 better than the K800i, or should I only be looking at
> Blackberrys? Any help really appreciated.
>

I just got a HTC Tytn II sim free from expansys its a bit on the expensive
side @ £ 412 ex VAT. To send and recieve email on an unlimited FREE WAP data
connection like I have I use Googlemail. Just register a new account and you
can set it up to retrieve email from any existing POP3 account and deliver
to your googlemail inbox. There are 2 ways to send and recieve your email on
a mobile, first is to go to http://m.gmail.com and use the WAP interface in
your phone's browser but the best and fastest way by far is to use
Googlemails JAVA application which was released in March 2006.

This works on my Tytn II and there is versions for many other phones which
support JAVA to get it go to http://m.gmail.com on your phone and click on
the get googlemail faster link. This JAVA app works as well as using Pocket
Outlook and makes using an unlimited FREE WAP plan a joy to use for email.
My phone provider charges for accessing email through Pocket Outlook becuase
you need an Internet plan to connect to POP3 directly. The googlemail JAVA
app is the best solution for email on a mobile phone outside of an Internet
plan and Pocket Outlook I am sure of that.