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Old 07-20-2007, 03:35 PM
ChrisM
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Default Getting calls to 0845 and 0800 numbers in my inclusive minutes

Hi,

I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes a month for £10.
Trouble is, a lot of the calls I have to make are to businesses with 0845,
0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are not included in my free
minutes, so I finish up having to pay for them, even though I have loads of
free minutes left.
I have heard that there is somthing called 'dial-through'(??) which can help
me to makes calls such as these out of my free minutes, but I don't
understand how this works, or even if it is legal/allowed by standard T&C...

Can someone help me by explaining how I can do this (if it can be done...).

Thanks,

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Old 07-20-2007, 03:56 PM
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM"
<chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes a month for £10.
>Trouble is, a lot of the calls I have to make are to businesses with 0845,
>0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are not included in my free
>minutes, so I finish up having to pay for them, even though I have loads of
>free minutes left.


www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers for the people
you are calling.

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Old 07-20-2007, 04:42 PM
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In message nkm1a3143jal9328of224urmqfs0qg5olh@4ax.com,
o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM"
> <chris_mayersblue@suedeyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes a month
>> for £10. Trouble is, a lot of the calls I have to make are to
>> businesses with 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>> not included in my free minutes, so I finish up having to pay for
>> them, even though I have loads of free minutes left.

>
> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers for the people
> you are calling.


Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to use
don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It particulary pi**es
me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone' calls... especially when I still
have about 100 'Free' minutes on my account for the rest of the month...

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Old 07-20-2007, 05:54 PM
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"ChrisM" wrote in message ...
> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:


>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>> not included in my free minutes <...>


>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers


> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to use
> don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It particulary
> pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone' calls... especially
> when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on my account for the rest of
> the month...


I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
[online] bill.

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Old 07-20-2007, 11:24 PM
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DaveGK formulated the question :
> "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
>> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:

>
>>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>>> not included in my free minutes <...>

>
>>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers

>
>> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to use
>> don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It particulary
>> pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone' calls... especially
>> when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on my account for the rest of
>> the month...

>
> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
> deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
> [online] bill.


If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700



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Old 07-23-2007, 08:23 AM
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"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in
message
news:mn.a8187d7794697a29.48968@blueyonder.invalid. ..
> DaveGK formulated the question :
> > "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
> >> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the

tallest tower:
> >>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM"

wrote:
> >
> >>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300

'free' minutes <...>
> >>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of

numbers are
> >>>> not included in my free minutes <...>

> >
> >>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the

geographical numbers
> >
> >> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few

of the numbers I need to use
> >> don't seem to be in there. Especially the

0800 ones. It particulary
> >> pi**es me off when I have to pay for

'Freephone' calls... especially
> >> when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on

my account for the rest of
> >> the month...

> >
> > I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are

included in (or rather,
> > deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as

"standard call" in your
> > [online] bill.

>
> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700
>
>



what does that number do then?

roy



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Old 07-23-2007, 09:02 AM
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In message mn.a8187d7794697a29.48968@blueyonder.invalid,
Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> DaveGK formulated the question :
>> "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
>>> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:

>>
>>>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>>>> not included in my free minutes <...>

>>
>>>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers

>>
>>> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need
>>> to use don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It
>>> particulary pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone'
>>> calls... especially when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on
>>> my account for the rest of the month...

>>
>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>> in your [online] bill.

>
> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700


Anyone vouch for this number? No offence to 'Jono' but how do I know this
won't cost me more than dialing the 0845 number...?
How does it work anyway> Do I get a recorded message asking me to dial the
other number once I've dialled this one?

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Old 07-23-2007, 09:03 AM
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In message sF6oi.819$nm3.525@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net,
DaveGK <davegk@bug.escaltd.com> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> "ChrisM" wrote in message ...
>> o'Really <o'Really> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:35:34 +0100, "ChrisM" wrote:

>
>>>> I have a PAYG phone on VM that gives me 300 'free' minutes <...>
>>>> 0845, 0800 etc numbers. These typess of numbers are
>>>> not included in my free minutes <...>

>
>>> www.saynoto0870.com might have the geographical numbers

>
>> Cheers! Yea, I do use that, but quite a few of the numbers I need to
>> use don't seem to be in there. Especially the 0800 ones. It
>> particulary pi**es me off when I have to pay for 'Freephone'
>> calls... especially when I still have about 100 'Free' minutes on my
>> account for the rest of the month...

>
> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
> deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
> [online] bill.


That's interesting. Must admit that when I got the message telling me that
the call would be charged at 'normal rate' I assumed that I was going to
get billed for it. I'll have to go and check my bill...

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Old 07-23-2007, 09:34 AM
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>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>> in your [online] bill.

>
> That's interesting. Must admit that when I got the message telling me
> that the call would be charged at 'normal rate' I assumed that I was
> going to get billed for it. I'll have to go and check my bill...


Yep, you're right! Just the 0845 type numbers to sort out then...

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Old 07-23-2007, 10:26 AM
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"ChrisM" wrote in message ...

>>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>>> in your [online] bill.

>>
>> That's interesting. Must admit that when I got the message telling me
>> that the call would be charged at 'normal rate' I assumed that I was
>> going to get billed for it. I'll have to go and check my bill...

>
> Yep, you're right! Just the 0845 type numbers to sort out then...


Glad I can help
I would also be interested in a solution to 0845 and 0870 numbers,
there must be a call-through "normal" mobile number to do this.
SayNoTo0870 is great, but not always able to provide alternative
geographic number ...

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Old 07-23-2007, 04:59 PM
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After serious thinking royc wrote :

>>>
>>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or rather,
>>> deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call" in your
>>> [online] bill.

>>
>> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700
>>
>>

>
>
> what does that number do then?
>
> roy


It asks you to dial the number you want & then connects you.



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Old 07-23-2007, 05:07 PM
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ChrisM explained :

>>>
>>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>>> in your [online] bill.

>>
>> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700

>
> Anyone vouch for this number? No offence to 'Jono' but how do I know this
> won't cost me more than dialing the 0845 number...?
> How does it work anyway> Do I get a recorded message asking me to dial the
> other number once I've dialled this one?


No offence taken.

If you study the number it starts 020 which is the London area STD. It
is clearly a non-standard number as there aren't any local London
numbers starting 0222xxxx.

AFAICT, I'm charged the same rate to call it as any other 020 number.

And yes, you get a recorded announcement asking you to dial your
destination number. You can only dial 0800/0808/0500 numbers using it,
though.

AFAIR, it is a number supplied by "Pre-Dial" <http://www.pre-dial.com/>
who have provided many dial-through numbers for a variety of different
circumstances.

Read the thread where I gleaned the information
<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.telecom.mobile/browse_thread/thread/3b3e3cc2d6ed73a2/4a98d0b6a0912ace?lnk=gst&q=02002220700&rnum=1&hl=e n#4a98d0b6a0912ace>
a couple of years ago.



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Old 07-24-2007, 11:29 AM
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In message mn.bc3f7d77f2198518.48968@blueyonder.invalid,
Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> ChrisM explained :
>
>>>>
>>>> I use VM on the same tariff and 0800 calls are included in (or
>>>> rather, deducted from) your 300 minutes. Listed as "standard call"
>>>> in your [online] bill.
>>>
>>> If not, "pre-dial" 02002220700

>>
>> Anyone vouch for this number? No offence to 'Jono' but how do I know
>> this won't cost me more than dialing the 0845 number...?
>> How does it work anyway> Do I get a recorded message asking me to
>> dial the other number once I've dialled this one?

>
> No offence taken.
>
> If you study the number it starts 020 which is the London area STD. It
> is clearly a non-standard number as there aren't any local London
> numbers starting 0222xxxx.
>
> AFAICT, I'm charged the same rate to call it as any other 020 number.
>
> And yes, you get a recorded announcement asking you to dial your
> destination number. You can only dial 0800/0808/0500 numbers using it,
> though.
>
> AFAIR, it is a number supplied by "Pre-Dial"
> <http://www.pre-dial.com/> who have provided many dial-through
> numbers for a variety of different circumstances.
>
> Read the thread where I gleaned the information
> <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.telecom.mobile/browse_thread/thread/3b3e3cc2d6ed73a2/4a98d0b6a0912ace?lnk=gst&q=02002220700&rnum=1&hl=e n#4a98d0b6a0912ace>
> a couple of years ago.


Pardon me for being cynical, and this cynicism is not directed at you (Jono)
but what is in it for them? If I'm dialing an 020 type number, that is
charged at the normal rate how do 'Pre-Dial' make any money, or gain any
benefit whatsoever out of this deal?

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Old 07-24-2007, 04:57 PM
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ChrisM was thinking very hard :
>> AFAIR, it is a number supplied by "Pre-Dial"
>> <http://www.pre-dial.com/> who have provided many dial-through
>> numbers for a variety of different circumstances.
>>
>> Read the thread where I gleaned the information
>> <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.telecom.mobile/browse_thread/thread/3b3e3cc2d6ed73a2/4a98d0b6a0912ace?lnk=gst&q=02002220700&rnum=1&hl=e n#4a98d0b6a0912ace>
>> a couple of years ago.

>
> Pardon me for being cynical, and this cynicism is not directed at you (Jono)
> but what is in it for them? If I'm dialing an 020 type number, that is
> charged at the normal rate how do 'Pre-Dial' make any money, or gain any
> benefit whatsoever out of this deal?


This has been asked many times here. Not sure if there was ever an
answer, though. <shrug>



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Old 07-25-2007, 08:42 AM
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In message mn.c4357d778bf31cdd.48968@blueyonder.invalid,
Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> ChrisM was thinking very hard :
>>> AFAIR, it is a number supplied by "Pre-Dial"
>>> <http://www.pre-dial.com/> who have provided many dial-through
>>> numbers for a variety of different circumstances.
>>>
>>> Read the thread where I gleaned the information
>>> <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.telecom.mobile/browse_thread/thread/3b3e3cc2d6ed73a2/4a98d0b6a0912ace?lnk=gst&q=02002220700&rnum=1&hl=e n#4a98d0b6a0912ace>
>>> a couple of years ago.

>>
>> Pardon me for being cynical, and this cynicism is not directed at
>> you (Jono) but what is in it for them? If I'm dialing an 020 type
>> number, that is charged at the normal rate how do 'Pre-Dial' make
>> any money, or gain any benefit whatsoever out of this deal?

>
> This has been asked many times here. Not sure if there was ever an
> answer, though. <shrug>


Fair enough... If it works, then who cares I guess.

One more question then:

Actually it's my original question really:

** Anyone know of a dial-through number I can use to get 0845 and similar
numbers out of my inclusive minutes on Virgin Mobile?? **


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