That's it. The real iPhone is there. 3G, large multi-touch screen, no keys,
no stylus, runs MacOS X. I'm starting to wonder whether this is real or
whether Steve is joking. This sounds just too big to be true. Can't wait to
see the pictures.
On 2007-01-09, Mehdi <vioccc@REMOVEME.gmail.com> wrote:
> That's it. The real iPhone is there. 3G, large multi-touch screen, no keys,
> no stylus, runs MacOS X. I'm starting to wonder whether this is real or
> whether Steve is joking. This sounds just too big to be true. Can't wait to
> see the pictures.
Careful about 3G. The blog calls it GSM+EDGE, which is GPRS, and
it's only a quad-band phone, which means it won't have 2100 MHz
coverage even if it does support HSDPA (3G stuff is run in the
existing 850/1900 MHz bands in the US).
"Mehdi" <vioccc@REMOVEME.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ml3bohq42f4b$.1299sd1lxavng.dlg@40tude.net...
> Hi,
>
> That's it. The real iPhone is there. 3G, large multi-touch screen, no
> keys,
> no stylus, runs MacOS X. I'm starting to wonder whether this is real or
> whether Steve is joking. This sounds just too big to be true. Can't wait
> to
> see the pictures.
everyone loves phones without real buttons - it's bound to be a hit.
On 9/1/07 6:45 pm, the dog from that film you saw wrote:
> "Mehdi" <vioccc@REMOVEME.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ml3bohq42f4b$.1299sd1lxavng.dlg@40tude.net...
>> Hi,
>>
>> That's it. The real iPhone is there. 3G, large multi-touch screen, no
>> keys,
>> no stylus, runs MacOS X. I'm starting to wonder whether this is real or
>> whether Steve is joking. This sounds just too big to be true. Can't wait
>> to
>> see the pictures.
>
>
>
> everyone loves phones without real buttons - it's bound to be a hit.
US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
imagine how much that thing is going to cost SIM free. And no mention of
third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone. The UI
looks fantastic though and the idea of using a finger-driven large
touchscreen instead of those cumbersome stylus or keypad is something that
i wanted to see in my phone for a very long time. I wonder how the screen
will look like after a few minutes of use though.
All that said, i guess that the happiest people on earth at the moment must
be muggers. Busy year ahead for them.
In message <37u40j101thf.l4x6dq3xfclu.dlg@40tude.net>, Mehdi
<vioccc@REMOVEME.gmail.com> writes
>On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>
>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
>> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
>
>US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
>imagine how much that thing is going to cost SIM free.
49.99 upgrade on Orange OVP Virgin at the moment. Be quick before Orange
realise their mistake. I've ordered 6 ;-)
--
Gyp
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"Mehdi" <vioccc@REMOVEME.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:37u40j101thf.l4x6dq3xfclu.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>
>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
>> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
>
> US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
> imagine how much that thing is going to cost SIM free. And no mention of
> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone. The UI
> looks fantastic though and the idea of using a finger-driven large
> touchscreen instead of those cumbersome stylus or keypad is something that
> i wanted to see in my phone for a very long time. I wonder how the screen
> will look like after a few minutes of use though.
>
> All that said, i guess that the happiest people on earth at the moment
> must
> be muggers. Busy year ahead for them.
crazy money - surely apple must realise their rivals in the market are
'giving away' so to speak theirs?! - it would take a mighty mobile phone to
make people shell out hard cash for one.
if my ISP included a computer as part of their service i wouldnt have
purchased one elsewhere - that's for sure
"the dog from that film you saw" <dsb@REMOVETHECAPITALSbtinternet.com> wrote
in message news:50id6vF1ft9rdU1@mid.individual.net...
> crazy money
Really?
Would you like to hear the price of my first mobile phone, an old OKI that I
bought in 1993? And the cost of the MicroTac that I bought after that (it
must have been in 1994)?
The point is: the new iPod costs $600.
It's cool, runs on a rock solid system (OS X meaning unix?), innovative,
light, technologically advanced. And by the way, it also makes phone calls,
it can be used to browse the web and check your email.
Too expensive? Then buy yourself a smartphone.
The truth is that before Apple will need to drop the price, some other
manufacturers will have to match the product.
>
>
> crazy money - surely apple must realise their rivals in the market are
> 'giving away' so to speak theirs?! - it would take a mighty mobile phone to
> make people shell out hard cash for one.
>
nah, you'll get all the apple nuts buying them cos apple macs
are sooooooooooooooooooooo like totally cool etc etc
> if my ISP included a computer as part of their service i wouldnt have
> purchased one elsewhere - that's for sure
>
"David Kennedy"
<davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindo fferyoubastard.invalid>
wrote in message news:45a3e836$0$8756$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from June.
> End of the year for UK & Europe.
Link this to the iPod though; shit battery life, battery issues. With *that*
screen, it's just not going to last like a (smart?)phone should.
On 9/1/07 7:51 pm, Mehdi wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>
>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
>> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
>
> US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
> imagine how much that thing is going to cost SIM free.
Generally speaking mobiles do tend to be expensive when first released
and Apple products tend to be priced higher than the competition at all
times.
> And no mention of
> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone.
The specs say "running OSX" so it should be possible to support it quite
simply.
> The UI
> looks fantastic though and the idea of using a finger-driven large
> touchscreen instead of those cumbersome stylus or keypad is something that
> i wanted to see in my phone for a very long time. I wonder how the screen
> will look like after a few minutes of use though.
>
Only time will tell. I suspect this will primarily be aimed at the US
market with only occasional sales elsewhere.
On 9/1/07 8:44 pm, the dog from that film you saw wrote:
> "Mehdi" <vioccc@REMOVEME.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37u40j101thf.l4x6dq3xfclu.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
>>> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
>> US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
>
> crazy money - surely apple must realise their rivals in the market are
> 'giving away' so to speak theirs?! - it would take a mighty mobile phone to
> make people shell out hard cash for one.
>
True. No one in their right mind would pay out over 20 dollars a month
for a phone.
On 9/1/07 11:33 pm, David R wrote:
> "David Kennedy"
> <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindo fferyoubastard.invalid>
> wrote in message news:45a3e836$0$8756$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from June.
>> End of the year for UK & Europe.
>
> Link this to the iPod though; shit battery life, battery issues. With *that*
> screen, it's just not going to last like a (smart?)phone should.
>
>
5 hours continuous, 12 hours for music, not sure what standby is like.
As you say, completely shit.
Gyp wrote:
> In message <37u40j101thf.l4x6dq3xfclu.dlg@40tude.net>, Mehdi
> <vioccc@REMOVEME.gmail.com> writes
>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
>>> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
>>
>> US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
>> imagine how much that thing is going to cost SIM free.
>
> 49.99 upgrade on Orange OVP Virgin at the moment. Be quick before Orange
> realise their mistake. I've ordered 6 ;-)
Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
"Gavin" <gavin@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:er79q2petobqhp27936h6ma41d8pdipbd9@4ax.com...
>>Would you like to hear the price of my first mobile phone, an old OKI that
>>I
>>bought in 1993? And the cost of the MicroTac that I bought after that (it
>>must have been in 1994)?
>>
>>The point is: the new iPod costs $600.
>
> No the point is when did you last buy a phone, there almost always
> subsidised, heck most people balk at spending £50 on a new mobile
Hi Gavin,
If you want to put it under the "last purchase" point of view, then you have
to compare it to when you (or me, or anyone) bought a truly innovative
product, where the price is of secondary importnace. After all, there have
been many mp3 players at bargain prices for a while on the market, but a
large amount of people decided to forgo that extra £50 in favour of an iPod.
With the iPhone, Apple announced a cracking product, and I would expect
people to react in the very same way.
> And the UK data charges mean it will never be used as an interent
> applicane to any grea degree or you'll get stuffed by the phone co.
WiFi is free, if you have an access point at home and one at work; nearly
free if you don't. For what concerns mobile telecoms, things will have to
change "soon", and they will.
> Jobs has said he does not want this subsidised by the phone co's as he
> does not want it to hit ipod sales.
I read (I think on The Register) that he plans to roll it out on Cingular on
a 24 months contract, which it will be a win-win situation: for him and
Cingular, of course :-)
> No it looks like OSX and runs some osx programs,
>
> Doesn't mean it is Osx, jsut something that;'s running specific apps
I don't know about it, but Nokia is already working on Linux platforms, OSX
mobile might do the same. I am looking forward to seeing iton the market.
Gavin wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:35:06 -0000, "Motorcyclesaur"
> <gpostbox.zerospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "the dog from that film you saw" <dsb@REMOVETHECAPITALSbtinternet.com> wrote
>> in message news:50id6vF1ft9rdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> crazy money
>> Really?
>>
>> Would you like to hear the price of my first mobile phone, an old OKI that I
>> bought in 1993? And the cost of the MicroTac that I bought after that (it
>> must have been in 1994)?
>>
>> The point is: the new iPod costs $600.
>
> No the point is when did you last buy a phone, there almost always
> subsidised, heck most people balk at spending £50 on a new mobile
>
> And the UK data charges mean it will never be used as an interent
> applicane to any grea degree or you'll get stuffed by the phone co.
>
>
> Jobs has said he does not want this subsidised by the phone co's as he
> does not want it to hit ipod sales.
>> It's cool, runs on a rock solid system (OS X meaning unix?), innovative,
>> light, technologically advanced. And by the way, it also makes phone calls,
>> it can be used to browse the web and check your email.
>>
>
> No it looks like OSX and runs some osx programs,
>
> Doesn't mean it is Osx, jsut something that;'s running specific apps
I remember installing Linux on some old iPaq 3660's. I also remember
installing Linux on some large servers. If Linux can go on both
extremes of devices, then why can't OSX which is based on
Unix/Linux/whatever be targeted at a mobile device? In fact, if people
can target Linux to a 3rd party's mobile device, how much better could
Apple do it when they have full control over the source of their OS and
full control and decisions over the hardware of the device.
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:00:07 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>> And no mention of
>> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone.
>
> The specs say "running OSX" so it should be possible to support it quite
> simply.
Whether it technically can support third party apps and whether Apple will
allow third party apps on their phone are 2 different things. Look at all
those Linux phones in asia. Most of them do not allow you to install third
party applications even though they're running Linux.
You'll notice that during his one hour and a half demo of the phone, Steve
has carefully avoided mentionning the issue of third party apps and widgets
support. Surely, if developpers could develop third party apps or widgets
for the phone, this would be a major feature that Steve would have
emphasized or at least mentioned. Allowing third party native applications
on a phone is far from being a simple thing as, if not done properly, it
can seriously threaten the overall usabilty, security and stability of the
phone. This is however something that i'd love to see in the iPhone. Let's
wait and see.
Mehdi <vioccc@removeme.gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:08:01 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>> US$499 inc 2 year contract for the basic 4 gig model in the US from
>> June. End of the year for UK & Europe.
> US$600 with a 2 year contract for the 8GB version... I don't want to
> imagine how much that thing is going to cost SIM free. And no mention of
> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone. The UI
> looks fantastic though and the idea of using a finger-driven large
> touchscreen instead of those cumbersome stylus or keypad is something that
> i wanted to see in my phone for a very long time. I wonder how the screen
> will look like after a few minutes of use though.
Or after a year's use. I hope the screen cover is replaceable. The
combination of touch screen and a small high resolution display isn't
one that will last long. But maybe it's not meant to last long? It's
clear that the mobile phone market in general is moving away from
robustness and longevity to disposable products replaced annually.
I hope it's easy to add on an IR or Bluetooth keyboard without
compromising battery life or reception while using wifi.
Motorcyclesaur <gpostbox.zerospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Gavin" <gavin@mindless.com> wrote in message
> news:er79q2petobqhp27936h6ma41d8pdipbd9@4ax.com...
>>>Would you like to hear the price of my first mobile phone, an old OKI that
>>>I
>>>bought in 1993? And the cost of the MicroTac that I bought after that (it
>>>must have been in 1994)?
>>>
>>>The point is: the new iPod costs $600.
>>
>> No the point is when did you last buy a phone, there almost always
>> subsidised, heck most people balk at spending #50 on a new mobile
> Hi Gavin,
> If you want to put it under the "last purchase" point of view, then you have
> to compare it to when you (or me, or anyone) bought a truly innovative
> product, where the price is of secondary importnace. After all, there have
> been many mp3 players at bargain prices for a while on the market, but a
> large amount of people decided to forgo that extra #50 in favour of an iPod.
> With the iPhone, Apple announced a cracking product, and I would expect
> people to react in the very same way.
>> And the UK data charges mean it will never be used as an interent
>> applicane to any grea degree or you'll get stuffed by the phone co.
> WiFi is free, if you have an access point at home and one at work; nearly
> free if you don't. For what concerns mobile telecoms, things will have to
> change "soon", and they will.
The mobile telcos aren't usually keen on devices with enough
communications flexibility to be able to easily find cheaper
connections than the ones your telco offers you. Not only do
increasing numbers of people have free wifi at work and home, but it's
becoming increasingly easy to find it in the streets.
"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:50k1q0F1f9uoqU4@mid.individual.net...
> The mobile telcos aren't usually keen on devices with enough
> communications flexibility to be able to easily find cheaper
> connections than the ones your telco offers you. Not only do
> increasing numbers of people have free wifi at work and home, but it's
> becoming increasingly easy to find it in the streets.
Precisely, and that's why they'll need to shift gear. Their mickey mouse
applications were good at the times of GPRS, when real wireless broadband
wasn't so widespread. But with the latest progress in that area and the soon
to come user awareness, they better act quickly (though my opinion is that
they all have their guns ready and are just delaying the launch of new
technologies as much as possible, milking consumers as much as they can).
Mehdi wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:00:07 +0000, David Kennedy wrote:
>
>>> And no mention of
>>> third party application support, it might no even be a smartphone.
>> The specs say "running OSX" so it should be possible to support it quite
>> simply.
>
> Whether it technically can support third party apps and whether Apple will
> allow third party apps on their phone are 2 different things. Look at all
> those Linux phones in asia. Most of them do not allow you to install third
> party applications even though they're running Linux.
>
> You'll notice that during his one hour and a half demo of the phone, Steve
> has carefully avoided mentionning the issue of third party apps and widgets
> support. Surely, if developpers could develop third party apps or widgets
> for the phone, this would be a major feature that Steve would have
> emphasized or at least mentioned. Allowing third party native applications
> on a phone is far from being a simple thing as, if not done properly, it
> can seriously threaten the overall usabilty, security and stability of the
> phone. This is however something that i'd love to see in the iPhone. Let's
> wait and see.
A (Mac) colleague contacted them to find out. Their reply was that, for
now, the phone is closed to 3rd party applications.
Motorcyclesaur wrote:
> "A M" <am7860@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4q2ph.9$1U2.105@news.oracle.com...
>
>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>
> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:02:50 +0000, David Hearn wrote:
> A M wrote:
>> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>>> "A M" <am7860@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4q2ph.9$1U2.105@news.oracle.com...
>>>
>>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>>
>>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
>> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
>
> Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?
Nope, just went to my local Orange shop and they were still taking orders.
Ring them and go to an Orange shop.
A M wrote:
> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>> "A M" <am7860@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4q2ph.9$1U2.105@news.oracle.com...
>>
>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>
>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?
On 2007-01-10, Motorcyclesaur <gpostbox.zerospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Gavin" <gavin@mindless.com> wrote in message
> news:er79q2petobqhp27936h6ma41d8pdipbd9@4ax.com...
>> Jobs has said he does not want this subsidised by the phone co's as he
>> does not want it to hit ipod sales.
>
> I read (I think on The Register) that he plans to roll it out on Cingular on
> a 24 months contract, which it will be a win-win situation: for him and
> Cingular, of course :-)
Note that "contract" in the US doesn't have quite the same implications
as "contract" in the UK. In the US you can cancel a contract any
time for a fixed fee; I think Cingular's is $175. US carriers are hence
unlikely to subsidise a phone by more than about $175 in any case which,
at the price of this phone, still leaves you with an expensive phone.
>> No it looks like OSX and runs some osx programs,
>>
>> Doesn't mean it is Osx, jsut something that;'s running specific apps
>
> I don't know about it, but Nokia is already working on Linux platforms, OSX
> mobile might do the same. I am looking forward to seeing iton the market.
I wonder if it supports a bluetooth keyboard and mouse?
Mehdi wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:02:50 +0000, David Hearn wrote:
>
>> A M wrote:
>>> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>>>> "A M" <am7860@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4q2ph.9$1U2.105@news.oracle.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
>>> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
>> Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?
>
> Nope, just went to my local Orange shop and they were still taking orders.
> Ring them and go to an Orange shop.
I called in orange and the local shops but they are not taking any
orders. Can anyone pass me the phone no of the shop that are taking
orders for iphone please ?
> Mehdi wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:02:50 +0000, David Hearn wrote:
>>
>>> A M wrote:
>>>> Motorcyclesaur wrote:
>>>>> "A M" <am7860@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4q2ph.9$1U2.105@news.oracle.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can u send a Link to this phone on orange please ?
>>>>> http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/o...one/49.99.html
>>>> nothing there. I could not find iphone since your post this morning
>>> Maybe they ran out of stock? Check again tomorrow?
>>
>> Nope, just went to my local Orange shop and they were still taking
>> orders. Ring them and go to an Orange shop.
>
> I called in orange and the local shops but they are not taking any orders.
> Can anyone pass me the phone no of the shop that are taking orders for
> iphone please ?
A M, you are being teased. The iPhone is not on sale in the USA yet - not
until June/July, depending on FCC approval. There has been no
announcement of which UK operator(s) will offer the iPhone, and it's
unlikely to be available here much before the end of 2007. OK?
The iPhone is there 
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