"species8350" <not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I've just switched my phone on to see a message saying 'Limited
> Service' Any idea why I should receive this message?
> Thanks
>
>
Do you have a 3G phone in a 2G area?
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT), species8350
<not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote:
>I've just switched my phone on to see a message saying 'Limited
>Service' Any idea why I should receive this message?
Could mean that you're not on 3G, could be that you've not paid your
bill, could mean that you've got no coverage...
But seeing as you haven't given us anything to go on (which phone,
which network, you know, *BASIC* information) it's difficult
todiagnose.
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"species8350" <not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I've just switched my phone on to see a message saying 'Limited
> Service' Any idea why I should receive this message?
>
> Thanks
It's protecting you from RSI as you text too much.
In article <fe6dd171-29b5-41ac-9f2a- 0b17cd4527dd@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, not_here.5.species8350
@xoxy.net says...
> Hi,
>
> I've just switched my phone on to see a message saying 'Limited
> Service' Any idea why I should receive this message?
>
> Thanks
>
The staff have taken the morning off and you have cook your own
breakfast.
In article <fe6dd171-29b5-41ac-9f2a- 0b17cd4527dd@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, not_here.5.species8350
@xoxy.net says...
> Hi,
>
> I've just switched my phone on to see a message saying 'Limited
> Service' Any idea why I should receive this message?
It means your SIM card has been refused access to the mobile network or
you are out of range of a signal.
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Jon
On Aug 24, 3:14*pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
> In article <fe6dd171-29b5-41ac-9f2a-
> 0b17cd452...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, not_here.5.species8350
> @xoxy.net says...
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I've just switched my phone on to see a message saying 'Limited
> > Service' Any idea why I should receive this message?
>
> It means your SIM card has been refused access to the mobile network or
> you are out of range of a signal.
> --
> Regards
> Jon
I think that weak signal may be the answer. It is usually quite strong
in this area.
The phone I believe is 2G, and I am investigating the network
"species8350" <not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote in message
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On Aug 24, 3:14 pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:
> In article <fe6dd171-29b5-41ac-9f2a-
> 0b17cd452...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, not_here.5.species8350
> @xoxy.net says...
<snip>
>The phone I believe is 2G, and I am investigating the network
>Phone is samsung E250
>Network is Virgin.
>
>
The Network is T Mobile
On Aug 24, 5:45*pm, "Steve Terry" <gFOUR...@tesco.net> wrote:
> "species8350" <not_here.5.species8...@xoxy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:b0d1273a-504b-4bab-b3cc-021dc8fd6f46@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 24, 3:14 pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:> In article <fe6dd171-29b5-41ac-9f2a-
> > 0b17cd452...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, not_here.5.species8350
> > @xoxy.net says...
> <snip>
> >The phone I believe is 2G, and I am investigating the network
> >Phone is samsung E250
> >Network is Virgin.
>
> The Network is T Mobile
>
> Steve Terry
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:36:29 -0700 (PDT), species8350
<not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote:
>Eh! Virgin is T-Mobile???
Indeed. Three is Orange; Asda is a network; TescoNet another etc.
There are only 5 GSM mobile networks in this country; that's 4 that
are a mix of 2G and 3G and 1 that's 3G only. They are O2, Orange,
T-Mobile and Vodafone (3G and 2G) and Three (3G).
All other "providers", including Virgin, have an arrangement to
piggy-back on one of the first 4 above. And Three rely on Orange for
their 2G coverage.
I always get my main mobile service from one of the main 4. I'm always
suspicious that the "virtual" providers e.g. Virgin must be more
expensive as there's another middleman involved, though doubtless I'm
wrong! Vodafone seem pretty bloody expensive on their own!!
In article <52t3b41svhrpmfcfmqnppucv57knmafkhd@4ax.com>, doug.paulley.lartsspammers@kingqueen.org.uk says...
> I'm always
> suspicious that the "virtual" providers e.g. Virgin must be more
> expensive as there's another middleman involved, though doubtless I'm
> wrong! Vodafone seem pretty bloody expensive on their own!!
>
>
The way it works is, if you are going to buy £20 worth of minutes you
get so much, but if Virgin say, we are going to buy £200million of
minutes, they are going to get a better price. A much better price.
They can then sell you the minutes at somewhere between what you pay for
it normally and what they pay for it.
Add to that they don't have their own equipment to maintain/buy/build,
but can still charge you a monthly rental fee and they make on that.
> There are only 5 GSM mobile networks in this country; that's 4 that
> are a mix of 2G and 3G and 1 that's 3G only. They are O2, Orange,
> T-Mobile and Vodafone (3G and 2G) and Three (3G).
There is a sixth, which is specific to the railways. Coverage is
basically only along railway lines, and it can't be used by the public.
>
> All other "providers", including Virgin, have an arrangement to
> piggy-back on one of the first 4 above. And Three rely on Orange for
> their 2G coverage.
Most of the virtual networks use T-mobile, but Tesco uses O2, Asda uses
Vodafone. There is one that uses Orange, but I forget which it is.
> I always get my main mobile service from one of the main 4. I'm always
> suspicious that the "virtual" providers e.g. Virgin must be more
> expensive as there's another middleman involved, though doubtless I'm
> wrong!
Very wrong indeed!
Vodafone seem pretty bloody expensive on their own!!
The virtual networks generally have simplified tariff structures, with
lower charges but fewer special deals (such as Voda's stop the clock)
"Doug Paulley" <doug.paulley.lartsspammers@kingqueen.org.uk> wrote in
message news:52t3b41svhrpmfcfmqnppucv57knmafkhd@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:36:29 -0700 (PDT), species8350
> <not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote:
>
>>Eh! Virgin is T-Mobile???
>
> Indeed. Three is Orange; Asda is a network; TescoNet another etc.
>
> There are only 5 GSM mobile networks in this country; that's 4 that
> are a mix of 2G and 3G and 1 that's 3G only. They are O2, Orange,
> T-Mobile and Vodafone (3G and 2G) and Three (3G).
Nearly right because Three is UMTS and only falls back to [someone else's]
GSM when forced to roam - so in reality there are four GSM provider and one
primarily UMTS provider.
IIRC O2 offer 3G now too giving: -
SP 900 1800 3G
O2 Y Y Y
Voda Y Y Y
Orange N Y ?
T-Mob N Y ?
Three N * Y
There are some trunked mobile operators who can route short calls in/out
their network, but this is not their main business.
>
> All other "providers", including Virgin, have an arrangement to
> piggy-back on one of the first 4 above. And Three rely on Orange for
> their 2G coverage.
* only when you are out of coverage of their 3G network.
>
> I always get my main mobile service from one of the main 4. I'm always
> suspicious that the "virtual" providers e.g. Virgin must be more
> expensive as there's another middleman involved, though doubtless I'm
> wrong! Vodafone seem pretty bloody expensive on their own!!
>
> doug
>
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900Mhz coverage works better way out in the sticks and inside large
buildings. 1800MHz facilitates smaller cells and lower power operation.
>
> 900Mhz coverage works better way out in the sticks and inside large
> buildings. 1800MHz facilitates smaller cells and lower power operation.
That's a bit of an over generalisation. 1800 penetrates better into
some buildings because of its shorter wavelength if there are
apertures through which it can enter.
On Aug 25, 11:48*am, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
wrote:
> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>
> > 900Mhz coverage works better way out in the sticks and inside large
> > buildings. *1800MHz facilitates smaller cells and lower power operation.
>
> That's a bit of an over generalisation. 1800 penetrates better into
> some buildings because of its shorter wavelength if there are
> apertures through which it can enter.
>
> regards, Ian
What an excellent discussion.
I am not thinking of changing my network, but it occurs to me that I
am locked into Virgin. But if Virgin uses T-Mobile (same network), I
wonder if I could use them (T-Mobile using their SIM) without
unlocking the phone?
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:32:47 +0100, Iain <no-one@hairydog.co.uk>
wrote:
>There is a sixth, which is specific to the railways. Coverage is
>basically only along railway lines, and it can't be used by the public.
I always wondered about that. Being a wheelchair user, and the state
of untogetherness about accessibility assistance etc on the train
network here in Britain, guards have frequently had to phone up
stations etc. using a mobile phone. They never seem to suffer from not
being able to make calls or getting cut off due to reception problems.
I assume the 6th network also helps provide some of the internet
capacity on e.g. National Express trains.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:29:10 -0700 (PDT), species8350
<not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote:
>I am not thinking of changing my network, but it occurs to me that I
>am locked into Virgin. But if Virgin uses T-Mobile (same network), I
>wonder if I could use them (T-Mobile using their SIM) without
>unlocking the phone?
unfortunately not :-( if your phone is locked to Virgin, then it won't
accept a T-Mobile SIM, even though they use the same network.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:37:26 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
<nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>IIRC O2 offer 3G now too giving: -
>
>SP 900 1800 3G
>O2 Y Y Y
>Voda Y Y Y
>Orange N Y ?
>T-Mob N Y ?
>Three N * Y
Orange and T-Mobile offer 3G, at least according to their coverage
checkers - I know Orange does video calling and so on - is the ?
because they might be buying 3G coverage from another provider?
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:27:24 +0100, Elder
<carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
>The way it works is, if you are going to buy £20 worth of minutes you
>get so much, but if Virgin say, we are going to buy £200million of
>minutes, they are going to get a better price. A much better price.
>They can then sell you the minutes at somewhere between what you pay for
>it normally and what they pay for it.
>
>Add to that they don't have their own equipment to maintain/buy/build,
>but can still charge you a monthly rental fee and they make on that.
>
>Add to that the service fee they do pay is marked as a taxable outgoing
>so they save on their tax too. That is how they can do it.
Thanks.
It still seems to me, that if the main providers can sell their bulk
minutes to somebody else and then be undercut, they could if they wish
undercut the virtual providers! But that's not what happens.
Anyway as far as I'm concerned there are 4 providers: BT Cellnet;
one2one, vodafone and orange, but I'm still set in the 20th century
:-)
It raises a wry smile that BT and the Post Office are now running
virtual providers on mobile and landline respectively, whereas BT
Cellnet and GPO used to be main providers. Such is the nature of
modern privatisation.
> I am not thinking of changing my network, but it occurs to me that I
> am locked into Virgin. But if Virgin uses T-Mobile (same network), I
> wonder if I could use them (T-Mobile using their SIM) without
> unlocking the phone?
Almost certainly not. In general, you can put a Virgin sim into a
T-Mobile phone, but not the other wa round unless you unlock it. But I
think that Virgin will give you the unlock code for the phone for free,
as long as you have paid for (but not necessarily used) £30 worth of
top-ups.
"species8350" <not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote in message
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On Aug 24, 5:45 pm, "Steve Terry" <gFOUR...@tesco.net> wrote:
> "species8350" <not_here.5.species8...@xoxy.net> wrote in message
> news:b0d1273a-504b-4bab-b3cc-021dc8fd6f46@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 24, 3:14 pm, Jon <s...@jonparker.plus.com> wrote:> In article
> <fe6dd171-29b5-41ac-9f2a-
> > 0b17cd452...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, not_here.5.species8350
> > @xoxy.net says...
> <snip>
> >The phone I believe is 2G, and I am investigating the network
> >Phone is samsung E250
> >Network is Virgin.
>
> The Network is T Mobile
> Steve Terry
>
>Eh! Virgin is T-Mobile???
>
>
Nope, Virgin is a former partner, now just another Virtual network on T
Mobile
Calling T Mobile from Virgin is treated and charged at cross network
"Iain" <no-one@hairydog.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Doug Paulley wrote:
<snip>
> Most of the virtual networks use T-mobile, but Tesco uses O2, Asda uses
> Vodafone. There is one that uses Orange, but I forget which it is.
>
>
Used to be NTL Mobile on Orange, As NTL helped Orange add
Fibre optic trunking to Oranges network. So what they had was a partnership
rather than just another pimped Virtual relationship.
But i don't know what happened to NTL Mobile after Virgin media took over
NTL?
"species8350" <not_here.5.species8350@xoxy.net> wrote in message
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On Aug 25, 11:48 am, Ian Smith <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com>
wrote:
>> R. Mark Clayton wrote:
>>
>> > 900Mhz coverage works better way out in the sticks and inside large
>> > buildings. 1800MHz facilitates smaller cells and lower power operation.
>>
>> That's a bit of an over generalisation. 1800 penetrates better into
>> some buildings because of its shorter wavelength if there are
>> apertures through which it can enter.
>> regards, Ian
>
Simple and well put
>
>What an excellent discussion.
>I am not thinking of changing my network, but it occurs to me that I
>am locked into Virgin. But if Virgin uses T-Mobile (same network), I
>wonder if I could use them (T-Mobile using their SIM) without
>unlocking the phone?
>Thanks
>Best wishes, Sp.
>Sp.
>
>
Virgin GID1 Simlock their phones to Virgin Sims as well as SP lock.
T Mobile generally don't GID1 lock, just SP lock
(So any T Mobile or one of it's virtuals sims will work)
SPunlocking a phone will also clear any GID1 Sim locks
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