If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract that offers
unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for 7.50 per month) am i correct in
thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC website and use the "listen
again" feature all day long for free.
john doe wrote:
> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract that
> offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for 7.50 per month) am i
> correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC website
> and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>
> TIA
>
> James
The 'unlimited' internet access will probably have a fair use policy, you
will need to read the TOS carefully.
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"john doe" <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:vXDCj.11138$%N1.7870@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract that
> offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for 7.50 per month) am i correct
> in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC website and use the
> "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>
> TIA
>
> James
Not sure what sort of phone, if any, would be capable of playing "listen
again"
On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract that offers
> unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per month) am i correct in
> thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC website and use the "listen
> again" feature all day long for free.
>
> TIA
>
> James
Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of the
BBC streams would amount to, and how much would you pay a wired ISP for
that much data? You may have seen press reports about people presented
with phone bills in the tens of thousands of pounds after they've tried to
do what you are asking about.
Get a portable personal media player or a pocket radio set. Many mobile
phones include both those things anyway.
Service providers still use the term 'unlimited' in their publicity with
the special meaning of 'very very limited in every meaningful way but
unlimited in some sense that has almost no practical application and we
haven't quite worked out how to define it anyway'.
As far as the £7.50 "O2 Web bolt-on" is concerned, streaming is
specifically forbidden:-
..-----<http://www.o2.co.uk/termsconditions/tariffsandboltons0153>
| [...]
|
| *O2 Web Bolt On*
|
| 1. The O2 Web Bolt On provides you unlimited use of O2’s 3G/GPRS Mobile
| Data Services for Permitted Uses only for £7.50 per month.
| 2. Permitted Uses are use of your SIM card within a handheld mobile device
| for the purposes of internet browsing only. Any other use of the O2 Web
| Bolt On will not be a Permitted Use, including but not limited to:
| 1. Email;
| 2. Use with Data Cards or Modems;
| 3. Instant Messaging,
| 4. IP Telephony,
| 5. Point 2 Point file sharing and file transfer,
| 6. VoIP (e.g. Skype™),
| 7. Video and TV streaming,
| 8. Slingboxes; and
| 9. Use in conjunction with routers.
| 3. O2 reserves the right to impose standard browsing charges for usage at
| any time if O2 reasonably suspects you of using the service for uses
| other than the Permitted Uses or abuse of the service, including using
| an atypical volume of data as compared to normal users of the O2 Web
| Bolt On, which will normally be less than 200MB of usage within a one
| month period (termed “fair usage”).
|
| [...]
'-----
IanM wrote:
> "john doe" <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:vXDCj.11138$%N1.7870@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract that
>> offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for 7.50 per month) am i correct
>> in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC website and use the
>> "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> James
> Not sure what sort of phone, if any, would be capable of playing "listen
> again"
>
I use Three X-series Silver on my e61 to use listen again. It doesn't
really make much of a dent in the allowance.
>am i
> correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC website
> and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
I think you could listen to Listen Again on a smartphone with Real Player
for Mobiles installed on it, but you need to subscribe to a mobile broadband
package, because just subscribing to a fixed-line broadband package doesn't
get you mobile broadband thrown in for free - you have to pay separately.
Whiskers wrote:
> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per month)
>> am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC
>> website and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> James
>
> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
> content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of
> the BBC streams would amount to,
The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out as being
27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per GB.
A 3 GB mobile broadband package costs 15 per month:
A typical radio listener listens to the radio for 20 hours per week, and in
the UK 21% of the time is spent listening to the radio in the car (which is
the closest thing to mobile listening that there's data for - 60% of
listening takes place in the home and 15% takes place in the workplace, but
the other 5% wasn't listed), so assuming that someone has fixed-line
broadband at home and they can access the Internet via Wi-Fi or fixed-line
at work, then the average radio listener would listen to
20 hours per week x 21% x (365 / (12 x 7)) weeks per month = 18.25 hours
of mobile listening per month
That equates to about 0.5 GB of data per month if you listened to Listen
Again at 64 kbps.
Fixed-line is obviously cheaper, but 0.5 GB isn't a lot of data - it works
out as being 2.50 per month out of the 15 for 3 GB monthly payment.
> and how much would you pay a wired
> ISP for that much data?
How are you going to receive fixed-line broadband when you're sitting in
your car on the motorway?
"IanM" <nobody@no_where.co.uk> writes:
> Not sure what sort of phone, if any, would be capable of playing "listen
> again"
>
Any Symbian Smartphone with realplayer will work. I use my N70 to listen again
quite a lot. A 64k stream doesn't really dent my web'n'walk plus 3G fair use
allowance.
Whilst the live links are pretty easy to find, the links to the listen again
links are hidden. The beebotron http://beebotron.timeforabrew.com/ makes them
easy on a phone.
Phil
--
There are 10 types of people in the world, those that
understand binary and those that don't.
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per month)
>>> am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC
>>> website and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> James
>>
>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
>> content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of
>> the BBC streams would amount to,
>
>
> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out
> as being 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per GB.
>
> A 3 GB mobile broadband package costs 15 per month:
>
> http://www.top10-broadband.co.uk/typ...ile-broadband/
>
I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper to have 3G.
Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet they want 10 for 1GB
of data on broadband, four times the price.
I would rather wait a bit longer, 448 kb/s is not that slow, and be able to
download twice the amount.
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> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper to have 3G.
> Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet they want 10 for 1GB
> of data on broadband, four times the price.
.... with a free USB modem!
And it isn't 4x the price if you don't want or need 2GB.
Phil wrote:
> "IanM" <nobody@no_where.co.uk> writes:
>> Not sure what sort of phone, if any, would be capable of playing
>> "listen again"
>>
> Any Symbian Smartphone with realplayer will work. I use my N70 to
> listen again quite a lot. A 64k stream doesn't really dent my
> web'n'walk plus 3G fair use allowance.
>
> Whilst the live links are pretty easy to find, the links to the
> listen again links are hidden. The beebotron
> http://beebotron.timeforabrew.com/ makes them easy on a phone.
The BBC's said it's going to be adding new audio formats for the live and
on-demand streams:
"Andrew Livingstone asked about the new formats and players we're using. For
on-demand radio, national networks will add a new format from April (with
other stations following later); for live, new formats start in July-ish.
Important to note that we don't plan to remove, for now, any currently
available format. If something works now, it'll continue to work."
I reckon they'll start using AAC+ or AAC, and it turns out they've been able
to use these codecs for the last 4 years and for some reason they've not
used them yet:
Andy W. wrote:
> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per month)
>>>> am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC
>>>> website and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>
>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
>>> content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of
>>> the BBC streams would amount to,
>>
>>
>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out
>> as being 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per
>> GB. A 3 GB mobile broadband package costs 15 per month:
>>
>> http://www.top10-broadband.co.uk/typ...ile-broadband/
>>
>
> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper to
> have 3G. Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet they
> want 10 for 1GB of data on broadband, four times the price.
I've found the Internet Monthly add-on for 5 per month:
Phil wrote:
> "IanM" <nobody@no_where.co.uk> writes:
>> Not sure what sort of phone, if any, would be capable of playing
>> "listen again"
>>
> Any Symbian Smartphone with realplayer will work. I use my N70 to
> listen again quite a lot. A 64k stream doesn't really dent my
> web'n'walk plus 3G fair use allowance.
>
> Whilst the live links are pretty easy to find, the links to the
> listen again links are hidden. The beebotron
> http://beebotron.timeforabrew.com/ makes them easy on a phone.
BTW, how reliable have you found listening to the live radio streams? And
can you increase the buffer size in Real Player for mobiles to reduce the
chances of the stream rebuffering?
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> Andy W. wrote:
>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per
>>>>> month) am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto
>>>>> the BBC website and use the "listen again" feature all day long
>>>>> for free. TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
>>>> content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of
>>>> the BBC streams would amount to,
>>>
>>>
>>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out
>>> as being 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per
>>> GB. A 3 GB mobile broadband package costs 15 per month:
>>>
>>> http://www.top10-broadband.co.uk/typ...ile-broadband/
>>>
>>
>> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper to
>> have 3G. Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet they
>> want 10 for 1GB of data on broadband, four times the price.
>
>
> I've found the Internet Monthly add-on for 5 per month:
>
> http://www.three.co.uk/personal/pric...t_it_costs.omp
>
> but do you know where it says that you get a 2 GB allowance per month
> because I'd like to put a link to it on an article I'm writing?
>
>
>> I would rather wait a bit longer, 448 kb/s is not that slow, and be
>> able to download twice the amount.
>
>
> Do all of the 3G PAYG Internet deals use W-CDMA and only mobile
> broadband subscribers use HSDPA then?
No idea, I just know my 3G phone is incapable of 1.5Mb/s.
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Andy W. wrote:
> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> Andy W. wrote:
>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>>>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per
>>>>>> month) am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto
>>>>>> the BBC website and use the "listen again" feature all day long
>>>>>> for free. TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle
>>>>> 'streaming' content. For a start, how much data do you think a
>>>>> day-long use of the BBC streams would amount to,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out
>>>> as being 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening
>>>> per GB. A 3 GB mobile broadband package costs 15 per month:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.top10-broadband.co.uk/typ...ile-broadband/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper to
>>> have 3G. Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet they
>>> want 10 for 1GB of data on broadband, four times the price.
>>
>>
>> I've found the Internet Monthly add-on for 5 per month:
>>
>> http://www.three.co.uk/personal/pric...t_it_costs.omp
>>
>> but do you know where it says that you get a 2 GB allowance per month
>> because I'd like to put a link to it on an article I'm writing?
>>
>
> http://www.threemail.co.uk/personal/..._go_/may_1.omp
>
> Just over half way down
Thanks. Have you tried listening to the BBC radio station live streams? If
so, did the signal drop out or was it okay?
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> Andy W. wrote:
>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>> Andy W. wrote:
>>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>>>>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per
>>>>>>> month) am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto
>>>>>>> the BBC website and use the "listen again" feature all day long
>>>>>>> for free. TIA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle
>>>>>> 'streaming' content. For a start, how much data do you think a
>>>>>> day-long use of the BBC streams would amount to,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works
>>>>> out as being 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of
>>>>> listening per GB. A 3 GB mobile broadband package costs 15 per
>>>>> month: http://www.top10-broadband.co.uk/typ...ile-broadband/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper to
>>>> have 3G. Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet they
>>>> want 10 for 1GB of data on broadband, four times the price.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've found the Internet Monthly add-on for 5 per month:
>>>
>>> http://www.three.co.uk/personal/pric...t_it_costs.omp
>>>
>>> but do you know where it says that you get a 2 GB allowance per
>>> month because I'd like to put a link to it on an article I'm
>>> writing?
>>
>> http://www.threemail.co.uk/personal/..._go_/may_1.omp
>>
>> Just over half way down
>
>
> Thanks. Have you tried listening to the BBC radio station live
> streams? If so, did the signal drop out or was it okay?
I use Screamer radio, http://www.screamer-radio.com/, where some stations
broadcast at 128 kb/s, the only time I get dropouts is if I'm surfing
graphically intense web pages or downloading.
I can listen no trouble while playing the game in my sig,
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"Phil" <pj@thecork.trig222.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:m3iqzmoe4b.fsf@marvin.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me...
> "IanM" <nobody@no_where.co.uk> writes:
>> Not sure what sort of phone, if any, would be capable of playing
>> "listen
>> again"
>>
> Any Symbian Smartphone with realplayer will work. I use my N70 to
> listen again
> quite a lot. A 64k stream doesn't really dent my web'n'walk plus 3G
> fair use
> allowance.
>
> Whilst the live links are pretty easy to find, the links to the listen
> again
> links are hidden. The beebotron http://beebotron.timeforabrew.com/
> makes them
> easy on a phone.
>
> Phil
Thanks for the link Phil, I was suprised that they work on my
non-smartphone SE W880i
Andy W. wrote:
> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> Andy W. wrote:
>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>> Andy W. wrote:
>>>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a
>>>>>>>> contract that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for
>>>>>>>> £7.50 per month) am i correct in thinking that i would be
>>>>>>>> able to go onto the BBC website and use the "listen again"
>>>>>>>> feature all day long for free. TIA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle
>>>>>>> 'streaming' content. For a start, how much data do you think a
>>>>>>> day-long use of the BBC streams would amount to,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works
>>>>>> out as being 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of
>>>>>> listening per GB. A 3 GB mobile broadband package costs 15 per
>>>>>> month: http://www.top10-broadband.co.uk/typ...ile-broadband/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper to
>>>>> have 3G. Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet
>>>>> they want 10 for 1GB of data on broadband, four times the price.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've found the Internet Monthly add-on for 5 per month:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.three.co.uk/personal/pric...t_it_costs.omp
>>>>
>>>> but do you know where it says that you get a 2 GB allowance per
>>>> month because I'd like to put a link to it on an article I'm
>>>> writing?
>>>
>>> http://www.threemail.co.uk/personal/..._go_/may_1.omp
>>>
>>> Just over half way down
>>
>>
>> Thanks. Have you tried listening to the BBC radio station live
>> streams? If so, did the signal drop out or was it okay?
>
>
> I use Screamer radio, http://www.screamer-radio.com/, where some
> stations broadcast at 128 kb/s, the only time I get dropouts is if
> I'm surfing graphically intense web pages or downloading.
Screamer Radio is for PCs isn't it? I meant have you tried listening to
Internet radio on your mobile?
On 2008-03-16, DAB sounds worse than FM <dab.is@dead> wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per month)
>>> am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC
>>> website and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> James
>>
>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
>> content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of
>> the BBC streams would amount to,
>
>
> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out as being
> 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per GB.
Whereas the O2 add-on service has a 'fair usage' limit of 200MB per month.
So it's most unlikely that the OP will be able to get away with doing what
he wants to do using that service.
(Don't forget the small amount of usptream traffic that will be involved
in any download, and exchanges about lost or out-of-sequence packets;
those will eat into the volume limits too).
[...]
>> and how much would you pay a wired
>> ISP for that much data?
>
> How are you going to receive fixed-line broadband when you're sitting in
> your car on the motorway?
Who suggested trying any such thing? The point is that mobile broadband
tends to be no cheaper than a fixed line service - and there aren't many
fixed line services that have a monthly limit large enough for the OP to
do what he wants at a price of £7.50, as far as I know.
But a mobile phone with a built-in FM radio receiver will give genuinely
unlimited content streaming, at no cost to the listener, and probably over
a larger geographic area. I don't know if any mobile phones have built-in
DAB receivers, but there are certainly stand-alone pocket radios that do.
Whiskers wrote:
> On 2008-03-16, DAB sounds worse than FM <dab.is@dead> wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per month)
>>>> am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC
>>>> website and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>
>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
>>> content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of
>>> the BBC streams would amount to,
>>
>>
>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out
>> as being
>> 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per GB.
>
> Whereas the O2 add-on service has a 'fair usage' limit of 200MB per
> month. So it's most unlikely that the OP will be able to get away
> with doing what he wants to do using that service.
Are you saying that something described as being "unlimited" had a 200MB per
month limit on it?
>>> and how much would you pay a wired
>>> ISP for that much data?
>>
>> How are you going to receive fixed-line broadband when you're
>> sitting in your car on the motorway?
>
> Who suggested trying any such thing?
The OP's question was about listening to Listen Again on his mobile. So
answering by telling him to use fixed-line broadband at home is sort of
missing the point, isn't it.
> The point is that mobile
> broadband tends to be no cheaper than a fixed line service
I repeat: what good is that when you're out and about and you want to listen
to the radio or Listen Again?
>- and
> there aren't many fixed line services that have a monthly limit large
> enough for the OP to do what he wants at a price of £7.50, as far as
> I know.
Fixed-line is irrelevant here.
> But a mobile phone with a built-in FM radio receiver will give
> genuinely unlimited content streaming, at no cost to the listener,
The OP asked about Listen Again, which isn't available on FM.
> and probably over a larger geographic area. I don't know if any
> mobile phones have built-in DAB receivers, but there are certainly
> stand-alone pocket radios that do.
On 2008-03-17, DAB sounds worse than FM <dab.is@dead> wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2008-03-16, DAB sounds worse than FM <dab.is@dead> wrote:
>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per month)
>>>>> am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto the BBC
>>>>> website and use the "listen again" feature all day long for free.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle 'streaming'
>>>> content. For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of
>>>> the BBC streams would amount to,
>>>
>>>
>>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out
>>> as being
>>> 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per GB.
>>
>> Whereas the O2 add-on service has a 'fair usage' limit of 200MB per
>> month. So it's most unlikely that the OP will be able to get away
>> with doing what he wants to do using that service.
>
>
> Are you saying that something described as being "unlimited" had a 200MB per
> month limit on it?
I refer you to my first article in this thread.
>>>> and how much would you pay a wired
>>>> ISP for that much data?
>>>
>>> How are you going to receive fixed-line broadband when you're
>>> sitting in your car on the motorway?
>>
>> Who suggested trying any such thing?
>
>
> The OP's question was about listening to Listen Again on his mobile. So
> answering by telling him to use fixed-line broadband at home is sort of
> missing the point, isn't it.
It certainly is. Which is probably why I did no such thing.
>> The point is that mobile
>> broadband tends to be no cheaper than a fixed line service
>
>
> I repeat: what good is that when you're out and about and you want to listen
> to the radio or Listen Again?
>
>
>>- and
>> there aren't many fixed line services that have a monthly limit large
>> enough for the OP to do what he wants at a price of £7.50, as far as
>> I know.
>
>
> Fixed-line is irrelevant here.
>
>
>> But a mobile phone with a built-in FM radio receiver will give
>> genuinely unlimited content streaming, at no cost to the listener,
>
>
> The OP asked about Listen Again, which isn't available on FM.
>
>
>> and probably over a larger geographic area. I don't know if any
>> mobile phones have built-in DAB receivers, but there are certainly
>> stand-alone pocket radios that do.
>
>
> Listen Again isn't available on DAB either.
Please read the articles again. The OP asked about listening all day
long; that isn't what the 'Listen again' service is for - if he wants to
listen to the radio all day, then why not use a radio? If he wants to
listen to previous broadcasts, whay not use a personal audio player loaded
from his home computer?
Whiskers wrote:
> On 2008-03-17, DAB sounds worse than FM <dab.is@dead> wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>>> On 2008-03-16, DAB sounds worse than FM <dab.is@dead> wrote:
>>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-03-14, john doe <easyhome@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>> If i get a new phone that has internet capability and a contract
>>>>>> that offers unlimited internet access (ie, O2 for £7.50 per
>>>>>> month) am i correct in thinking that i would be able to go onto
>>>>>> the BBC website and use the "listen again" feature all day long
>>>>>> for free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> Most unlikely, even if you have a phone that can handle
>>>>> 'streaming' content. For a start, how much data do you think a
>>>>> day-long use of the BBC streams would amount to,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The BBC's Listen Again streams are using 64 kbps, so that works out
>>>> as being
>>>> 27.5 MB per hour of listening, or 37 hours of listening per GB.
>>>
>>> Whereas the O2 add-on service has a 'fair usage' limit of 200MB per
>>> month. So it's most unlikely that the OP will be able to get away
>>> with doing what he wants to do using that service.
>>
>>
>> Are you saying that something described as being "unlimited" had a
>> 200MB per month limit on it?
>
> I refer you to my first article in this thread.
Que?
>>>>> and how much would you pay a wired
>>>>> ISP for that much data?
>>>>
>>>> How are you going to receive fixed-line broadband when you're
>>>> sitting in your car on the motorway?
>>>
>>> Who suggested trying any such thing?
>>
>>
>> The OP's question was about listening to Listen Again on his mobile.
>> So answering by telling him to use fixed-line broadband at home is
>> sort of missing the point, isn't it.
>
> It certainly is. Which is probably why I did no such thing.
Did you just throw this sentence in for a laugh then:
"For a start, how much data do you think a day-long use of the
BBC streams would amount to, and how much would you pay a wired ISP for
that much data?"
What has a wired ISP and their charges got to do with listening to Listen
Again on a mobile?
>>> and probably over a larger geographic area. I don't know if any
>>> mobile phones have built-in DAB receivers, but there are certainly
>>> stand-alone pocket radios that do.
>>
>>
>> Listen Again isn't available on DAB either.
>
> Please read the articles again. The OP asked about listening all day
> long; that isn't what the 'Listen again' service is for
WTF's stopping anyone listening to Listen Again all day long? Are you
suggesting that people are so bloody stupid that they don't even realise
that the programme has ended when sound stops coming out???
> - if he wants
> to listen to the radio all day, then why not use a radio?
He specifically asked about Listen Again, and the main point of on-demand
content is that it frees you from the TV and radio schedules so you don't
have to listen to what's on at the time.
> If he
> wants to listen to previous broadcasts, whay not use a personal audio
> player loaded from his home computer?
He could do that, although it's obviously more convenient to just click on a
Listen Again link than to set something up to record, then compress the
recording, then load that on to an MP3 player.
Anybody can set up a video recorder or a PVR to record programmes if they
wanted to, but if everybody did that religiously very few people would use
the iPlayer, and yet up to 660,000 people have been using it per day up to
now.
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> Andy W. wrote:
>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>> Andy W. wrote:
>>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>>> Andy W. wrote:
>>>>>> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper
>>>>>> to have 3G. Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data, yet
>>>>>> they want 10 for 1GB of data on broadband, four times the price.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found the Internet Monthly add-on for 5 per month:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.three.co.uk/personal/pric...t_it_costs.omp
>>>>>
>>>>> but do you know where it says that you get a 2 GB allowance per
>>>>> month because I'd like to put a link to it on an article I'm
>>>>> writing?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.threemail.co.uk/personal/..._go_/may_1.omp
>>>>
>>>> Just over half way down
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks. Have you tried listening to the BBC radio station live
>>> streams? If so, did the signal drop out or was it okay?
>>
>>
>> I use Screamer radio, http://www.screamer-radio.com/, where some
>> stations broadcast at 128 kb/s, the only time I get dropouts is if
>> I'm surfing graphically intense web pages or downloading.
>
>
> Screamer Radio is for PCs isn't it? I meant have you tried listening
> to Internet radio on your mobile?
Nope, I use the mobile to connect my PC to the internet.
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Andy W. wrote:
> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> Andy W. wrote:
>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>> Andy W. wrote:
>>>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>>>> Andy W. wrote:
>>>>>>> I dont see any reason to get mobile broadband when it's cheaper
>>>>>>> to have 3G. Three PAYG internet add-on is 5 for 2GB of data,
>>>>>>> yet they want 10 for 1GB of data on broadband, four times the
>>>>>>> price.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found the Internet Monthly add-on for 5 per month:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.three.co.uk/personal/pric...t_it_costs.omp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but do you know where it says that you get a 2 GB allowance per
>>>>>> month because I'd like to put a link to it on an article I'm
>>>>>> writing?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.threemail.co.uk/personal/..._go_/may_1.omp
>>>>>
>>>>> Just over half way down
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. Have you tried listening to the BBC radio station live
>>>> streams? If so, did the signal drop out or was it okay?
>>>
>>>
>>> I use Screamer radio, http://www.screamer-radio.com/, where some
>>> stations broadcast at 128 kb/s, the only time I get dropouts is if
>>> I'm surfing graphically intense web pages or downloading.
>>
>>
>> Screamer Radio is for PCs isn't it? I meant have you tried listening
>> to Internet radio on your mobile?
>
> Nope, I use the mobile to connect my PC to the internet.
"Whiskers" <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:slrnftnuia.cuu.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net...
> As far as the 7.50 "O2 Web bolt-on" is concerned, streaming is
> specifically forbidden:-
>
> .-----<http://www.o2.co.uk/termsconditions/tariffsandboltons0153>
> | [...]
> |
> | *O2 Web Bolt On*
> |
> | 1. The O2 Web Bolt On provides you unlimited use of O2's 3G/GPRS Mobile
> | Data Services for Permitted Uses only for 7.50 per month.
> | 2. Permitted Uses are use of your SIM card within a handheld mobile
> device
> | for the purposes of internet browsing only. Any other use of the O2
> Web
> | Bolt On will not be a Permitted Use, including but not limited to:
> | 1. Email;
> | 2. Use with Data Cards or Modems;
> | 3. Instant Messaging,
> | 4. IP Telephony,
> | 5. Point 2 Point file sharing and file transfer,
> | 6. VoIP (e.g. SkypeT),
> | 7. Video and TV streaming,
> | 8. Slingboxes; and
> | 9. Use in conjunction with routers.
> | 3. O2 reserves the right to impose standard browsing charges for usage
> at
> | any time if O2 reasonably suspects you of using the service for uses
> | other than the Permitted Uses or abuse of the service, including
> using
> | an atypical volume of data as compared to normal users of the O2 Web
> | Bolt On, which will normally be less than 200MB of usage within a one
> | month period (termed "fair usage").
> |
> | [...]
> '-----
I can't see those terms on that page for non-business customers - perhaps
they have changed the page now? The only terms concerning the web bolt on
that I can see that appear to be applicable to consumers are within the Pay
Monthly standard tariff terms & conditions:
*****
Data Bolt On Terms
a.. The Web Bolt On allows you unlimited use of O2 UK's Edge/GPRS/ 3G
networks (as applicable to your handset), for personal internet use via your
mobile phone. All usage must be for your private, personal and
non-commercial purposes. You may not use your SIM Card:
a.. in, or connected to, any other device including modems;
b.. to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content,
enable Voice over Internet (Voip), P2P or file sharing; or
c.. in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2
customers.
If O2 reasonably suspectsyou are not acting in accordance with this policy
O2 reserves the right to impose further charges, impose network protection
controls which may reduce your speed of transmission, remove the Web Bolt On
from your account or disconnect your tariff at any time, having attempted to
contact you first.
*****
No mention of a 200Mb limit and I'm not sure what the bit about "continuous
streaming of any audio / video content" is really meant to mean - as
presumably occasional streaming of any audio / video content is ok. Depends
what they determine to mean excessive I expect. I guess as long as you
aren't taking the piss and leaving something streaming at the max data rate
all the time you should be fine.
"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> writes:
>
> BTW, how reliable have you found listening to the live radio streams? And
> can you increase the buffer size in Real Player for mobiles to reduce the
> chances of the stream rebuffering?
>
Generally they are quite reliable, some days you do get rebuffering, but its
not that common.
There are no buffering settings in Realplayer (version s60.26.42.01 D) on my
phone.
Phil
--
Old protocols never die. They just get migrated over TCP/IP.
Phil wrote:
> "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@dead> writes:
>>
>> BTW, how reliable have you found listening to the live radio
>> streams? And can you increase the buffer size in Real Player for
>> mobiles to reduce the chances of the stream rebuffering?
>>
> Generally they are quite reliable, some days you do get rebuffering,
> but its not that common.
>
> There are no buffering settings in Realplayer (version s60.26.42.01
> D) on my phone.
Okay, thanks. BTW, how long does your battery last when listening to an
Internet radio stream on your mobile?
Mobile Internet and BBC listen again 