If anyone is thinking of buying/upgrading to the new Nokia N95 please be
advised
the the internet telephone function has been removed from both orange and
Vodafone handsets.
O2 and T-Mobile have left these functions on and they work very well with
WiFi
Pete wrote:
> Just a little note of information
>
> If anyone is thinking of buying/upgrading to the new Nokia N95 please be
> advised
> the the internet telephone function has been removed from both orange and
> Vodafone handsets.
>
> O2 and T-Mobile have left these functions on and they work very well with
> WiFi
The software does work perfectly (on T-Mobile) however be aware that it
eats the battery if you leave it connected. I left mine on with 4 or 5
bars (connected to Sipgate for incoming calls), came back an hour later
and the phone was powered off with the battery exhausted.
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:37:57 +0100, Resident Drunk wrote:
> Pete wrote:
>> Just a little note of information
>>
>> If anyone is thinking of buying/upgrading to the new Nokia N95 please be
>> advised
>> the the internet telephone function has been removed from both orange and
>> Vodafone handsets.
>>
>> O2 and T-Mobile have left these functions on and they work very well with
>> WiFi
>
> The software does work perfectly (on T-Mobile) however be aware that it
> eats the battery if you leave it connected. I left mine on with 4 or 5
> bars (connected to Sipgate for incoming calls), came back an hour later
> and the phone was powered off with the battery exhausted.
The battery indicator in S60 phones works in a funny way. It remains with
full bars until the battery is almost flat at which point it starts
dropping bars very fast. So if you activated VoIP over wifi when one bar
was already gone, this means that your battery was already almost empty to
start with so the one hour standby doesn't surprise me given that it had to
maintain a wifi connection during the whole time.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:15:57 +0100, "Pete" <pete@nospam.com> wrote:
>Just a little note of information
>
>If anyone is thinking of buying/upgrading to the new Nokia N95 please be
>advised
>the the internet telephone function has been removed from both orange and
>Vodafone handsets.
What is that function? Is it where you can connect to the internet on
your phones browser but using your own isp and a local call rate
number?
I am with Vodafone and my 18 month contract will be up in a couple of
months. That is one of the phones I was thinking of going for.
"John" <thefin@lcylon.com> wrote in message
news:a2of2314jhf6un31rdnbtseba0uqpgeli4@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:15:57 +0100, "Pete" <pete@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Just a little note of information
>>
>>If anyone is thinking of buying/upgrading to the new Nokia N95
>>please be
>>advised
>>the the internet telephone function has been removed from both
>>orange and
>>Vodafone handsets.
>
> What is that function? Is it where you can connect to the internet
> on
> your phones browser but using your own isp and a local call rate
> number?
>
No, its the (integrated) VoIP (Voice over IP) functionality that both
Orange and Vodafone have disabled in the N95's they are selling.
Apparently, Orange have not included it because they've not had time
to test it, and Vodafone didn't include it as there would be no
cost-benefit to customers and they need time to sort out appropriate
charging models.
Matt Wheeler wrote:
> "John" <thefin@lcylon.com> wrote in message
> news:a2of2314jhf6un31rdnbtseba0uqpgeli4@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:15:57 +0100, "Pete" <pete@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a little note of information
>>>
>>> If anyone is thinking of buying/upgrading to the new Nokia N95
>>> please be
>>> advised
>>> the the internet telephone function has been removed from both
>>> orange and
>>> Vodafone handsets.
>> What is that function? Is it where you can connect to the internet
>> on
>> your phones browser but using your own isp and a local call rate
>> number?
>>
>
> No, its the (integrated) VoIP (Voice over IP) functionality that both
> Orange and Vodafone have disabled in the N95's they are selling.
> Apparently, Orange have not included it because they've not had time
> to test it, and Vodafone didn't include it as there would be no
> cost-benefit to customers and they need time to sort out appropriate
> charging models.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04...fone_explains/
>
>> I am with Vodafone and my 18 month contract will be up in a couple
>> of
>> months. That is one of the phones I was thinking of going for.
>>
>
> As long as you aren't buying it for the integrated VoIP you'll be OK.
>
>
It is perhaps worth pointing out that very shortly (they promise) Fring
- a free voip app for mobile phones will be N95 compatible. I know it
isn't as seamless as the built-in app but hopefully it will be more user
& battery friendly.
"Matt Wheeler" <spam@007jbond.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message news:CYKdneZ4DJUey7XbRVnyhQA@pipex.net
> "John" <thefin@lcylon.com> wrote in message
> news:a2of2314jhf6un31rdnbtseba0uqpgeli4@4ax.com...
[snip]
> > I am with Vodafone and my 18 month contract will be up
> > in a couple of
> > months. That is one of the phones I was thinking of
> > going for.
>
> As long as you aren't buying it for the integrated VoIP
> you'll be OK.
Irrelevant. He might want to use it at a later date. If it's part of the
phone functionality it should work. I hope I never have to use ABS brakes,
but I wouldn't want to buy a car with ABS disabled..!
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Matt Wheeler" <spam@007jbond.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:CYKdneZ4DJUey7XbRVnyhQA@pipex.net
>> "John" <thefin@lcylon.com> wrote in message
>> news:a2of2314jhf6un31rdnbtseba0uqpgeli4@4ax.com...
>
> [snip]
>
>> > I am with Vodafone and my 18 month contract will be up
>> > in a couple of
>> > months. That is one of the phones I was thinking of
>> > going for.
>>
>> As long as you aren't buying it for the integrated VoIP
>> you'll be OK.
>
> Irrelevant. He might want to use it at a later date. If it's part of
> the phone functionality it should work. I hope I never have to use
> ABS brakes, but I wouldn't want to buy a car with ABS disabled..!
>
Why Irrelevant ?
Neither Orange nor Vodafone (on their websites) are advertising the
phone as having VoIP, so they're, strictly speaking they're selling
the phone as advertised, or more accurately, as they advertise it and
as it is provided by themselves.
I think your analogy is rather poor, since if you bought a car with
ABS it would not have it deliberately disabled. If you want to use
cars as an analogy, it would be more like two different models of the
same car using the same engine, but one with the engine management
system programmed to give more power and therefore better
acceleration.
Even then, despite your comments, it is still possible to use VoIP on
the Orange and Vodafone handsets, you just need to obtain a 3rd party
application and put up with it being less easy to use than if you had
the integrated version that un-branded versions of the handset have.
If you want a car analogy, its like a normal version of the car having
front fog lights, but certain versions not having built-in fog lights.
You can still have fog lights, but you've got to obtain them
separately and they'll be fitted & work slightly differently.
Has anyone got an N95 yet and if so what are your impressions for web
browsing and the GPS software?
At the moment I have an N70 which will have its 18 month contract up
in a couple of months. I'd imagine that the web browsing will be
slightly better with the 2.5" screen, but that the GPS software wont
be too great on a mobile?
I'd also love to know what the camera is like on the 95. The one on
the N70 is quite slow for both pictures and video, and a little buggy
imho. The OS is also a tad slow.
I also just wondered what happened to another technology I heard about
2 years ago. I believe it was called PoP or something like that? It is
were you can use your mobile phone in a similar way to a walkie
talkie. So you would be able to communicate over the airwaves to other
people close by and pushing a button to talk to one another without
being charged for a phone call.
Does anyone know anything about this and why it's not really taken
off? At the time I heard about it I believe that there were a few
forthcoming phones that were supposed to have that ability.
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:56:57 +0100, "Matt Wheeler"
<spam@007jbond.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:58rd0pF2er19uU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Irrelevant. He might want to use it at a later date. If it's part of
>> the phone functionality it should work. I hope I never have to use
>> ABS brakes, but I wouldn't want to buy a car with ABS disabled..!
....
>Even then, despite your comments, it is still possible to use VoIP on
>the Orange and Vodafone handsets, you just need to obtain a 3rd party
>application and put up with it being less easy to use than if you had
>the integrated version that un-branded versions of the handset have.
Even simpler... but may be liable to annoy the networks...
If it's like the N73. You can use Nemesis Service Suite (free) to
change the phone's "product id" from the network's branded one to the
original Nokia one and download the original Nokia firmware from
Nokia. You'll probably have to Google for the codes for the specific
phone though.
I did it to my N73 in a desperate attempt to get a signal as the
"network sanctioned" firmware was months out of date. It didn't do
that, but it got all the options that 3 removed, like manual 2G/3G
network selection.
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:23:00 +0100, John <thefin@lcylon.com> wrote:
>I also just wondered what happened to another technology I heard about
>2 years ago. I believe it was called PoP or something like that? It is
>were you can use your mobile phone in a similar way to a walkie
>talkie. So you would be able to communicate over the airwaves to other
>people close by and pushing a button to talk to one another without
>being charged for a phone call.
Sounds like "push to talk" where you do what you describe - but it
connects to a selected group of contacts, rather than just anyone near
you, and you do get charged for the calls.
>If it's like the N73. You can use Nemesis Service Suite (free) to
>change the phone's "product id" from the network's branded one to the
>original Nokia one and download the original Nokia firmware from
>Nokia. You'll probably have to Google for the codes for the specific
>phone though.
>
>I did it to my N73 in a desperate attempt to get a signal as the
>"network sanctioned" firmware was months out of date. It didn't do
>that, but it got all the options that 3 removed, like manual 2G/3G
>network selection.
Thanks for mentioning this. I didn't realise you could do this!
"Matt Wheeler" <spam@007jbond.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
> Why Irrelevant ?
> Neither Orange nor Vodafone (on their websites) are advertising the
> phone as having VoIP, so they're, strictly speaking they're selling
> the phone as advertised, or more accurately, as they advertise it and
> as it is provided by themselves.
>
It is a Nokia N95, it is advertised as that by Nokia, and if you buy one you
should expect it to work.
It is about time operators left phones alone and provided them as intended,
maybe locking, but nothing else.
The car analogy is you see a car advertised on TV, you shop around for the
best deal. You then find out that the car has had ABS disabled by the dealer
because their mechanics aren't very good with ABS.
pj@thecork.trig222.f9.co.uk declared for all the world to hear...
> "Matt Wheeler" <spam@007jbond.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> >
> > Why Irrelevant ?
> > Neither Orange nor Vodafone (on their websites) are advertising the
> > phone as having VoIP, so they're, strictly speaking they're selling
> > the phone as advertised, or more accurately, as they advertise it and
> > as it is provided by themselves.
> >
> It is a Nokia N95, it is advertised as that by Nokia, and if you buy one you
> should expect it to work.
>
> It is about time operators left phones alone and provided them as intended,
> maybe locking, but nothing else.
>
> The car analogy is you see a car advertised on TV, you shop around for the
> best deal. You then find out that the car has had ABS disabled by the dealer
> because their mechanics aren't very good with ABS.
If the dealer subsidised 80% of the cost of that handset it would be
different.
--
Regards
Jon
>>If it's like the N73. You can use Nemesis Service Suite (free) to
>>change the phone's "product id" from the network's branded one to the
>>original Nokia one and download the original Nokia firmware from
>>Nokia. You'll probably have to Google for the codes for the specific
>>phone though.
>Thanks for mentioning this. I didn't realise you could do this!
Sorry, one thing I should mention for any 3 users tempted to do this
is that if you install the original Nokia firmware, you won't be able
to download/install 3's modified IM client (for the unlimited IM
offering) as it requires keys that are only in their ancient firmware
:-(
>The software does work perfectly (on T-Mobile) however be aware that it
>eats the battery if you leave it connected. I left mine on with 4 or 5
>bars (connected to Sipgate for incoming calls), came back an hour later
>and the phone was powered off with the battery exhausted.
Some voip software does much the same on my pda. It gets hot and runs
the battery down.
N95 Buyer beware 
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