"KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free
> kit..
Dunno, but I would have thought the water would get in myself.
"KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>
no you will require an acoustic set something like this
"KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>
"KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
"KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you are still
4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the same risk as using
the phone without a hands-free kit).
"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
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> kpr_1969@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear...
>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>
> Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
> touch the buttons to operate it.
> --
> Regards
> Jon
You're not allowed to look at it either! next they will ban talking in cars
and smoking. Why not just take radios out.
It's only stupid people that couldn't drive that used to blame it on using a
phone when they crashed. What did they blame before phones!
Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:rcfIh.56702$Da4.13948@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>
>
> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you are still
> 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the same risk as using
> the phone without a hands-free kit).
>
Yeah, and you can also get fined/pointed more easily for eating a
sammich now according to a paper I read last night.
Picking nose, scratching ear, having a row with the spouse, adjusting
the mirror, tuning radio, inserting CD, fishing for loose change down
the side of the seat still or being an old codger weaving from side to
side at 18mph in a 40 zone OK tho'.
"Linker3000" <linker3000@googleminushyphen-mail.com> wrote in message
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> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>> "KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:rcfIh.56702$Da4.13948@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>
>>
>> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you are
>> still 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the same risk as
>> using the phone without a hands-free kit).
>>
> Yeah, and you can also get fined/pointed more easily for eating a sammich
> now according to a paper I read last night.
>
> Picking nose, scratching ear, having a row with the spouse, adjusting the
> mirror, tuning radio, inserting CD, fishing for loose change down the side
> of the seat still or being an old codger weaving from side to side at
> 18mph in a 40 zone OK tho'.
what about operating a Dictaphone............that's not covered but I assume
you could be stopped and recited the 'driving with undue care and attention'
rule.
like my daughter who was stopped last week for not wearing a seat
belt...........the cop said its lucky you were not on the phone otherwise it
would be 3 points................then why don't they concentrate on those
phone users..............I see at least 3 driving 15 miles to work each
morning.
"Linker3000" <linker3000@googleminushyphen-mail.com> wrote
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[snip]
> Yeah, and you can also get fined/pointed more easily for
> eating a sammich now according to a paper I read last
> night.
> Picking nose, scratching ear, having a row with the
> spouse, adjusting the mirror, tuning radio, inserting CD,
> fishing for loose change down the side of the seat still
> or being an old codger weaving from side to side at 18mph
> in a 40 zone OK tho'.
Don't know about old codgers, but if you're not properly in control of the
vehicle, then you *should* be done for it. The problem is, different
people have different levels of ability. Where you or I might be perfectly
in control whilst eating a sandwich, others might struggle to remain in
control if someone else sounds their horn.
Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:rcfIh.56702$Da4.13948@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>
>
> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you are
> still
> 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the same risk as using
> the phone without a hands-free kit).
Except, that statistic is made up to suit an agenda by an ati-car pressure
group.
> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you
> are still 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the
> same risk as using the phone without a hands-free kit).
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> "Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
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>> kpr_1969@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear...
>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>
>> Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>> touch the buttons to operate it.
>> --
>> Regards
>> Jon
>
> You're not allowed to look at it either!
No shit Sherlock, your supposed to be looking at the road.
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> "Ian" <ian@audiothreetwo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.205b9daab7fd473598a7ec@text.usenet.plus.n et...
>>> kpr_1969@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear...
>>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>>
>>> Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>>> touch the buttons to operate it.
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> Jon
>>
>> You're not allowed to look at it either!
>
> No shit Sherlock, your supposed to be looking at the road.
>
> MattF
>
>
TC: "Do you know how fast you were going?"
Driver - "No I was looking at the road".
TC (inventing inflated figure) "You're nicked!"
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> "Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ian" <ian@audiothreetwo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.205b9daab7fd473598a7ec@text.usenet.plus.n et...
>>>> kpr_1969@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear...
>>>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>>>
>>>> Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>>>> touch the buttons to operate it.
>>>> --
>>>> Regards
>>>> Jon
>>>
>>> You're not allowed to look at it either!
>>
>> No shit Sherlock, your supposed to be looking at the road.
>>
>> MattF
>>
>>
> TC: "Do you know how fast you were going?"
> Driver - "No I was looking at the road".
> TC (inventing inflated figure) "You're nicked!"
Some people are just shit drivers and rather than just accept that fact they
look to blame authority for every one of their failings.
Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't want a speeding
ticket... then don't speed. Its not that difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to
spot those aren't they - being 10 foot tall and painted luminous yellow.
"Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
> want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not that
> difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those aren't they -
> being 10 foot tall and painted luminous yellow.
Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at 29mph, have you..? ;-)
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:EcYIh.2986$DX5.1418@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k
>
> [snip]
>
>> Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
>> want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not that
>> difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those aren't they -
>> being 10 foot tall and painted luminous yellow.
>
> Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at 29mph, have you..? ;-)
>
> Ivor
Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:04:55 -0000, "Ian" <ian@audiothreetwo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.205b9daab7fd473598a7ec@text.usenet.plus. net...
>> kpr_1969@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear...
>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>
>> Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>> touch the buttons to operate it.
>> --
>> Regards
>> Jon
>
>You're not allowed to look at it either! next they will ban talking in cars
>and smoking. Why not just take radios out.
>It's only stupid people that couldn't drive that used to blame it on using a
>phone when they crashed. What did they blame before phones!
>
The wife or girlfriend or the dog that ran across the road..........
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
"Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:55j1utF25idteU1@mid.individual.net...
> > "Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> > message
> > news:EcYIh.2986$DX5.1418@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k [snip]
> >
> > > Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
> > > want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not
> > > that difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those
> > > aren't they - being 10 foot tall and painted luminous
> > > yellow.
> >
> > Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at
> > 29mph, have you..? ;-) Ivor
>
> Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.
Hmm. I've been riding for almost 25 years and have never had an accident.
I only fell off once and that was when a suicidal car driver passed me
with 6 inches to spare at about 40mph (in a 30 limit) while I was
stationary at the side of the road trying to decide which way I needed to
go.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:IRYIh.3024$DX5.2580@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k
>> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:55j1utF25idteU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > "Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:EcYIh.2986$DX5.1418@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k [snip]
>> >
>> > > Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
>> > > want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not
>> > > that difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those
>> > > aren't they - being 10 foot tall and painted luminous
>> > > yellow.
>> >
>> > Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at
>> > 29mph, have you..? ;-) Ivor
>>
>> Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.
>
> Hmm. I've been riding for almost 25 years and have never had an accident.
> I only fell off once and that was when a suicidal car driver passed me
> with 6 inches to spare at about 40mph (in a 30 limit) while I was
> stationary at the side of the road trying to decide which way I needed to
> go.
>
> Ivor
Doubtless there are a number of sensible bikers, unfortunately there are
many more nutters who blast through residential streets at 70+ mph and weave
in and out of traffic at high speed leaving inches between cars and a few of
these loonies strap a camcorder to there handlebars to record it and stick
it on youtube.
In message <55j1utF25idteU1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor Jones
<ivor@despammed.invalid> writes
>"Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:EcYIh.2986$DX5.1418@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk
>
>[snip]
>
>> Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
>> want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not that
>> difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those aren't they -
>> being 10 foot tall and painted luminous yellow.
>
>Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at 29mph, have you..? ;-)
>
so don't try to use a 900cc motorbike on roads with a 30mph limit!
In message <IRYIh.3024$DX5.2580@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> , Matt F
<no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.
writing from a cyclist's POV, most car drivers are borderline homicidal.
"dave @ stejonda"
<no$spam!delete&abuse%dave@stejonda.freeuk.com> wrote in
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> In message <55j1utF25idteU1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor
> Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> writes
> > "Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> > message
> > news:EcYIh.2986$DX5.1418@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k [snip]
> >
> > > Speeding is a great one. Let you into a secret, don't
> > > want a speeding ticket... then don't speed. Its not
> > > that difficult. Gatsos - hmm hard to spot those
> > > aren't they - being 10 foot tall and painted luminous
> > > yellow.
> >
> > Hmm, you've never tried riding a 900cc motorbike at
> > 29mph, have you..? ;-)
> so don't try to use a 900cc motorbike on roads with a
> 30mph limit!
But if I did that I'd never get out of the driveway..!
In article <55jdbrF25dq6kU1@mid.individual.net>, Ivor Jones
<ivor@despammed.invalid> writes
>Hmm. I've been riding for almost 25 years and have never had an accident.
>I only fell off once and that was when a suicidal car driver passed me
* homicidal? *
>with 6 inches to spare at about 40mph (in a 30 limit) while I was
>stationary at the side of the road trying to decide which way I needed to
>go.
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:37:36 -0000, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
wrote:
>Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>touch the buttons to operate it.
ER, why do people keep trying to redefine the law?
The law says that you must not use a hand-held phone. As long as the
phone is in a holder and you don't have to hold it, it is entirely
legal to press buttons on it.
If you were referring to having to press buttons on the headset,
that's irrelevant too. The headset / earpiece is not hand-held. You
wear it on your head. Pressing buttons is legal. Holding a phone is
not.
The law may or may not be daft, but at least it is clear.
>On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:37:36 -0000, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, as long as the phone is securely mounted and you don't have to
>>touch the buttons to operate it.
>
>ER, why do people keep trying to redefine the law?
>
>The law says that you must not use a hand-held phone. As long as the
>phone is in a holder and you don't have to hold it, it is entirely
>legal to press buttons on it.
>
>If you were referring to having to press buttons on the headset,
>that's irrelevant too. The headset / earpiece is not hand-held. You
>wear it on your head. Pressing buttons is legal. Holding a phone is
>not.
>
>The law may or may not be daft, but at least it is clear.
The problem is called "They Say" syndrome. My grandmother had it and my wife
gets it sometimes....
They make up their own semi-logic based on what they read on the back of a
cornflakes packet (sic).
Sir Hugh of Bognor
The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!
Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk
Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK
Heh, Looks like an imbecile to me or a copper (or both!)
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> "Matt F" <no_reply_here@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> <IRYIh.3024$DX5.2580@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> :
>
>> Most bikers are borderline suicidal from my experience.
>
> I can see you're an open-minded intelligent kind of chap.
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> "Linker3000" <linker3000@googleminushyphen-mail.com> wrote in message
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>> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>>> "KPR" <kpr_1969@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:rcfIh.56702$Da4.13948@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>>> are you still allowed to use the in ear type hands-free kit..
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you are
>>> still 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the same risk
>>> as using the phone without a hands-free kit).
>>>
>> Yeah, and you can also get fined/pointed more easily for eating a sammich
>> now according to a paper I read last night.
>>
>> Picking nose, scratching ear, having a row with the spouse, adjusting the
>> mirror, tuning radio, inserting CD, fishing for loose change down the
>> side of the seat still or being an old codger weaving from side to side
>> at 18mph in a 40 zone OK tho'.
>
> what about operating a Dictaphone............that's not covered but I
> assume you could be stopped and recited the 'driving with undue care and
> attention' rule.
>
> like my daughter who was stopped last week for not wearing a seat
> belt...........the cop said its lucky you were not on the phone otherwise
> it would be 3 points................then why don't they concentrate on
> those phone users..............I see at least 3 driving 15 miles to work
> each morning.
You see them, and I see them, when you`re in your own car. At one point I
spent well over 40 hours out patrolling with traffic police, and saw a grand
total of 3 people using their mobile phones. All 3 of them where done for
it though. Compare that 3 people in 40 hours to the 5 people I saw on a
single drive home one day! It`s just that people see the high-vis and drop
their phones.
As for people not wearing their seat-belt, a friend of mine was at a crash
where someone hadn`t worn their seatbelt, while carrying a baby on their
lap. To say it was an unpleasant experience for them having to see the mess
left behind would be a major understatement!
"Paul Cummins" <agree2pay4uce@spam.vlaad.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <55fb49F218t6sU1@mid.individual.net>,
> SimonFinnigan@hotmail.com (Simon Finnigan) wrote:
>
>> Yes, while still bearing in mind that the evidence shows that you
>> are still 4 times more likely to be involved in an accident (the
>> same risk as using the phone without a hands-free kit).
>
> where's the research to bach this statistic?
Check out (for example) the report by Strayer, Drews and Crouch of the
University of Utah - "A comparison of the Cellphone driver and the drunk
driver".
New law on diving while on mobiles.. 
or a copper (or both!)
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