Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe

#1 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 08:34 PM

In article <fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de>, lenny <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote:

>Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe

No, that is not what scientists believe. Either you or the Daily Mail
is making it up.

-- Richard
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#2 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 08:39 PM

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=

Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe

#3 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 09:25 PM

If it were true, then most of the world would have Cancer, and dependant on
the current percentage of terminal cancer, the world population would be in
a rapid decline

#4 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 09:31 PM

In article <fb79k5$ls4$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, Richard Tobin
<richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> writes
>>Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>
>No, that is not what scientists believe. Either you or the Daily Mail
>is making it up.

This is bad for you, that is bad for you, perhaps at birth we should be
sealed in an airtight box pumped with scrubbed oxygen and fed with safe
irradiated nutrients intravenously.

If all the scientific experts were laid end to end we could run over the
bastards with a road roller.

Life's a bitch and then you die, some sooner than others.

Mike

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Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
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#5 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 10:08 PM

In article <i7WPM0Ancz1GFw9j@ntlworld.com>, mike.swift@yeton.co.uk
says...
> In article <fb79k5$ls4$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, Richard Tobin
> <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> writes
> >>Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
> >
> >No, that is not what scientists believe. Either you or the Daily Mail
> >is making it up.
>
> This is bad for you, that is bad for you, perhaps at birth we should be
> sealed in an airtight box pumped with scrubbed oxygen and fed with safe
> irradiated nutrients intravenously.
>
A better plan would be to never read some of the absurd shite that is
printed in the Daily Mail. That said, I found a Brass Eye moment in the
Telegraph a few days ago when it reported that churches were considering
allowing mobile phone masts to be placed on spires even though they
could be used to transmit pornography to children!

In the interest of balanced, non hysterical reporting, they appear to
have forgotten to mention that this coverage could enable ambulances to
be called for stab victims etc.

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#6 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 10:09 PM

"Michael Swift" <mike.swift@yeton.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i7WPM0Ancz1GFw9j@ntlworld.com
: : In article <fb79k5$ls4$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>,
: : Richard Tobin <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> writes
: : : : Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer,
: : : : scientists believe
: : :
: : : No, that is not what scientists believe. Either you
: : : or the Daily Mail is making it up.
: :
: : This is bad for you, that is bad for you, perhaps at
: : birth we should be sealed in an airtight box pumped
: : with scrubbed oxygen and fed with safe irradiated
: : nutrients intravenously.

Ooh, not irradiated, Lenny wouldn't like that..!

: : If all the scientific experts were laid end to end we
: : could run over the bastards with a road roller.
: :
: : Life's a bitch and then you die, some sooner than
: : others.

And some not soon enough.

Ivor

#7 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 10:38 PM

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:34:13 +0000, Richard Tobin wrote:

> In article <fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de>, lenny <lenny@say.no.wifi>
> wrote:
>
>>Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>
> No, that is not what scientists believe. Either you or the Daily Mail is
> making it up.
>
> -- Richard

don't forget to take your pills.

#8 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 11:21 PM

"lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>
> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>

Sorry, no time to read articles via links, if you have something to say then
please give your opinion here. Scientists and research groups will say
anything for funding. What they say depends on how big the fund is and how
long they can get away with being paid to "research". Isn't it amazing how
there are no cases were radiation from a mobile has been proved as a cause
of death. Not even amongst radio engineers.
People were suffering with cancer well before mobile phones. That must
annoy the "no win no fee" brigade from the local council estate who scrounge
benefits and look for any reason to get money.

#9 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 12:21 AM

"lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>
> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>

Dear Lenny,

I would have normally bothered to have read the link and responded, but as
it is the Daily Mail, which has been total b*******s during all my adult
life, I feel it is unlikely anything has changed and consequently their
report is not worth [further] serious consideration.

Try and cite a reliable journal next time.

#10 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 06:24 AM

..
>
> "If all the scientific experts were laid end to end we could run over the
> bastards with a road roller".

scientific experts + Lenny please

#11 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 06:27 AM

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:39:29 +0100, lenny <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote:

>It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>
>Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe

Everything in the Daily Mail is scary, young grasshopper.

What do the expert scientists at the Daily Mail think about aircraft,
UHF TV transmitters, bed bugs and the bleaches and inks they use to
sell their oily rag?
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#12 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 07:16 AM

Only 1 fall could kill you.

Expert - ex as in has been, (s)pert as in drip under pressure.

#13 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 07:40 AM

"lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>
> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>

The article quoted has the phrase "...the researchers did not come up with
evidence that mobile phone signals are harmful..". Now theres a surprise!

Roger

#14 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 07:46 AM

"lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
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WHO GIVES A FUCK??

#15 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 08:30 AM

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:31:19 +0100, Michael Swift wrote:

> In article <fb79k5$ls4$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, Richard Tobin
> <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> writes
>>>Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>>
>>No, that is not what scientists believe. Either you or the Daily Mail is
>>making it up.
>
> This is bad for you, that is bad for you, perhaps at birth we should be
> sealed in an airtight box pumped with scrubbed oxygen and fed with safe
> irradiated nutrients intravenously.

You only need to do that if your immune system is compromised.

> If all the scientific experts were laid end to end we could run over the
> bastards with a road roller.

Yes, some of them are responsible for developing very harmful systems both
directly and indirectly.

> Life's a bitch

Yours may be.

> and then you die, some sooner than others.

Moaning about it wont help you.

> Mike

#16 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 08:38 AM

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:25:18 +0000, Tesla wrote:

> If it were true, then most of the world would have Cancer, and dependant
> on the current percentage of terminal cancer, the world population would
> be in a rapid decline

1. The immune system often deals with cancers before they become a
problem.

2. The causation and effects of rf are not or are only partially
understood by the experts so where do you get your prediction from?

3. There actually is a cancer "epidemic" right now but it is thought to
be of diverse origins.

4. White European and American is in decline as is shown by the sharp fall
in fertility in this group and the rest of the world may follow as they
catch us up economically.

#17 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 08:41 AM

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:08:14 +0200, xxy wrote:

> In article <i7WPM0Ancz1GFw9j@ntlworld.com>, mike.swift@yeton.co.uk says...
>> In article <fb79k5$ls4$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, Richard Tobin
>> <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> writes
>> >>Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>> >
>> >No, that is not what scientists believe. Either you or the Daily Mail
>> >is making it up.
>>
>> This is bad for you, that is bad for you, perhaps at birth we should be
>> sealed in an airtight box pumped with scrubbed oxygen and fed with safe
>> irradiated nutrients intravenously.
>>
> A better plan would be to never read some of the absurd shite that is
> printed in the Daily Mail.

If you were to read a bit more you'd realise that it was a New Scientist
story reported in the Daily Mail and I would not be surprised if it wasn't
carried in other papers (Telegraph for example).

#18 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 08:43 AM

"lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>
> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believ

I worked on high power radars in my twenties and thirties, long before
people started to worry about radiation and, along with those collegues that
I'm still in touch with, am going strong in my seventies.
Only point of interest is that all of our children are girls.
No doubt some "scientist", carrying out "research" would use this info to
prove something, but even I, as an engineer, know that there were not enough
of us to make this information statistically significant.

Retired

#19 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 08:49 AM

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:30:38 +0100, in uk.telecom.broadband , lenny
<lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote:

>> If all the scientific experts were laid end to end we could run over the
>> bastards with a road roller.
>
>Yes, some of them are responsible for developing very harmful systems both
>directly and indirectly.

This is true of all humanity.
--
Mark McIntyre

#20 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 08:54 AM

"lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
news:fb8jjd$45k$1@news.datemas.de
: : On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:31:19 +0100, Michael Swift wrote:

[snip]

: : : Life's a bitch
: :
: : Yours may be.

Only since you came along.

: : : and then you die, some sooner than others.
: :
: : Moaning about it wont help you.

So why moan about phones..? You won't stop people using them.

Ivor

#21 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 09:15 AM

In article <fb8k89$5eg$2@news.datemas.de>, lenny <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote:

>If you were to read a bit more you'd realise that it was a New Scientist
>story reported in the Daily Mail and I would not be surprised if it wasn't
>carried in other papers (Telegraph for example).

If you were to read something other than the gutter press, you would
find that what the scientists *actually* reported was temporarily
increased production of a chemical that can stimulate cell growth and
division, in cells in the laboratory. They have not shown that mobile
phone radiation can cause cancer, increased immigration, or a house
price collapse.

-- Richard
--
"Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.

#22 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 09:20 AM

"Retired" <anon@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:13dfku6hubjq351@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
> news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
>> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>>
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>>
>> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believ
>
> I worked on high power radars in my twenties and thirties, long before
> people started to worry about radiation and, along with those collegues
> that I'm still in touch with, am going strong in my seventies.
> Only point of interest is that all of our children are girls.
> No doubt some "scientist", carrying out "research" would use this info to
> prove something, but even I, as an engineer, know that there were not
> enough of us to make this information statistically significant.

This is a well-known "urban fact" - that men who worked with radar or other
VHF/UHF/SHF high power transmitters fathered only girls - people I worked
with in the 1970's recognised this.

--
Graham J

#23 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 10:09 AM

"lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
news:fb8k24$5eg$1@news.datemas.de...
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:25:18 +0000, Tesla wrote:
>
>> If it were true, then most of the world would have Cancer, and dependant
>> on the current percentage of terminal cancer, the world population would
>> be in a rapid decline
>
>
> 1. The immune system often deals with cancers before they become a
> problem.

No it doesn't.
It isn't a cancer if the immune system can deal with it.

> 2. The causation and effects of rf are not or are only partially
> understood by the experts so where do you get your prediction from?

You find experts that know nothing about the effects of RF and quote them..
its hardly surprising they don't understand.
You understand as much as the experts you quote.. i.e. nothing apparantly.

> 3. There actually is a cancer "epidemic" right now but it is thought to
> be of diverse origins.

There is no cancer epidemic.. just more people dying of cancer.
This is to be expected as people live longer and all the other causes are
reduced.

> 4. White European and American is in decline as is shown by the sharp fall
> in fertility in this group and the rest of the world may follow as they
> catch us up economically.

The population growth rate in developed countries always declines as
education increases, do you have a point other than saying you are
uneducated?

#24 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 10:29 AM

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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> The population growth rate in developed countries always declines as
> education increases, do you have a point other than saying you are
> uneducated?

Attaboy... go kill, Dennis...

Tim
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#25 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 10:59 AM

lenny@say.no.wifi declared for all the world to hear...
> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>
> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe

If it's true then 98% of the UK population will end up with cancer.

You should campaign for something worthwhile lenny. How about gun or
knife crime? That kills more people than mobile phone masts ever will.
--
Regards
Jon

#26 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 11:36 AM

"Graham" <graham@nospam.zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Retired" <anon@privacy.com> wrote in message
> news:13dfku6hubjq351@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
>> news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
>>> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>>>
>>> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believ
>>
>> I worked on high power radars in my twenties and thirties, long before
>> people started to worry about radiation and, along with those collegues
>> that I'm still in touch with, am going strong in my seventies.
>> Only point of interest is that all of our children are girls.
>> No doubt some "scientist", carrying out "research" would use this info
>> to prove something, but even I, as an engineer, know that there were not
>> enough of us to make this information statistically significant.
>
> This is a well-known "urban fact" - that men who worked with radar or
> other VHF/UHF/SHF high power transmitters fathered only girls - people I
> worked with in the 1970's recognised this.

There must be a "reverse-radar effect" in my village then.
With the exception of two girls, all the local kids are boys.
This has been noted as strange by many folk around here - including the
youth club leader.

George

#27 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 01:48 PM

"George Weston" <geoweston@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Graham" <graham@nospam.zen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:46d7dd55$0$21099$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>> "Retired" <anon@privacy.com> wrote in message
>> news:13dfku6hubjq351@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
>>> news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
>>>> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>>>>
>>>> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believ
>>>
>>> I worked on high power radars in my twenties and thirties, long before
>>> people started to worry about radiation and, along with those collegues
>>> that I'm still in touch with, am going strong in my seventies.
>>> Only point of interest is that all of our children are girls.
>>> No doubt some "scientist", carrying out "research" would use this info
>>> to prove something, but even I, as an engineer, know that there were not
>>> enough of us to make this information statistically significant.
>>
>> This is a well-known "urban fact" - that men who worked with radar or
>> other VHF/UHF/SHF high power transmitters fathered only girls - people I
>> worked with in the 1970's recognised this.
>
> There must be a "reverse-radar effect" in my village then.
> With the exception of two girls, all the local kids are boys.
> This has been noted as strange by many folk around here - including the
> youth club leader.

Where does your village get its water from?
Have you seen an analysis of what it contains yet?
Has the soil been tested recently?

All far more interesting than radar or mobile health effects.

#28 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 03:33 PM

In article <fb967a$sbv$1@news.datemas.de>,
"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>
> "George Weston" <geoweston@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:5jqcqgFqjmpU1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > "Graham" <graham@nospam.zen.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:46d7dd55$0$21099$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> >>
> >> "Retired" <anon@privacy.com> wrote in message
> >> news:13dfku6hubjq351@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>
> >>> "lenny" <lenny@say.no.wifi> wrote in message
> >>> news:fb79tv$h39$1@news.datemas.de...
> >>>> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
> >>>>
> >>>> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believ
> >>>
> >>> I worked on high power radars in my twenties and thirties, long before
> >>> people started to worry about radiation and, along with those collegues
> >>> that I'm still in touch with, am going strong in my seventies.
> >>> Only point of interest is that all of our children are girls.
> >>> No doubt some "scientist", carrying out "research" would use this info
> >>> to prove something, but even I, as an engineer, know that there were not
> >>> enough of us to make this information statistically significant.
> >>
> >> This is a well-known "urban fact" - that men who worked with radar or
> >> other VHF/UHF/SHF high power transmitters fathered only girls - people I
> >> worked with in the 1970's recognised this.
> >
> > There must be a "reverse-radar effect" in my village then.
> > With the exception of two girls, all the local kids are boys.
> > This has been noted as strange by many folk around here - including the
> > youth club leader.
>
> Where does your village get its water from?
> Have you seen an analysis of what it contains yet?
> Has the soil been tested recently?
>
> All far more interesting than radar or mobile health effects.

Helicopter pilots can only father girls, I've read. The suggestion where
I read it was something to do with spending a lot of time in a high-frequency-
vibration environment, but it wasn't a particularly convincing explanation.
--
SAm.

#29 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 05:15 PM

In article <13dfku6hubjq351@corp.supernews.com>, anon@privacy.com
says...
> Only point of interest is that all of our children are girls.
> No doubt some "scientist", carrying out "research" would use this info to
> prove something, but even I, as an engineer, know that there were not enough
> of us to make this information statistically significant.
>
Working on high power radars in the forces it seemed to be that those
that worked on radars in the 3GHz band produced girls and those working
on radars in the 1GHz band produced boys.

I have 2 girls (worked on the 3GHz radar), friend has 3 boys, he worked
on the 1GHz radar.

Makes you laugh really about all these claims. H & S never figured on
the old high powered radars. I was probably exposed to more RF in a
shift than you would get from a mobile phone in a lifetime of using it
24/7. (and apart from problems with my 2nd head, it has never affected
me.

)

#30 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 08:15 PM

"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
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> lenny@say.no.wifi declared for all the world to hear...
>> It will be interesting to see how this one plays out:
>>
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...0&in_a_source=
>>
>> Only ten minutes on a mobile could trigger cancer, scientists believe
>
> If it's true then 98% of the UK population will end up with cancer.
>
> You should campaign for something worthwhile lenny. How about gun or
> knife crime? That kills more people than mobile phone masts ever will.
> --
Suddenly lenny reminds me of the Simpsons!

Roger