I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
Stuart
> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
> time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
Have you considered that every man and his dog is sending a predicted
total of 200 million "Happy New Year" messages at the moment?
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:45:49 UTC, Stuart B <> wrote:
> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
> time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
Typical New Year overload.
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On 1 Jan 2008 00:57:43 GMT, "Bob Eager" <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:45:49 UTC, Stuart B <> wrote:
>
>> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
>> time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
>> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
>
>Typical New Year overload.
Yeah .It probably is just that .Everything else gets overloaded so why
not mobile networks ..LOL
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:20:26 +0000, Stuart B <> wrote:
>On 1 Jan 2008 00:57:43 GMT, "Bob Eager" <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:45:49 UTC, Stuart B <> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
>>> time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
>>> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
>>
>>Typical New Year overload.
>
>Yeah .It probably is just that .Everything else gets overloaded so why
>not mobile networks ..LOL
That's weird .A Text Message I sent to my own phone gave the "Message
Failed " message and was still shown in the Outbox as Unsent but it
also told me a new Text had arrived an it was in my Inbox .???
Stuart B wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:20:26 +0000, Stuart B <> wrote:
>
>> On 1 Jan 2008 00:57:43 GMT, "Bob Eager" <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:45:49 UTC, Stuart B <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails
>>>> each time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out
>>>> tho'
>>>> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
>>>
>>> Typical New Year overload.
>>
>> Yeah .It probably is just that .Everything else gets overloaded so
>> why not mobile networks ..LOL
> That's weird .A Text Message I sent to my own phone gave the "Message
> Failed " message and was still shown in the Outbox as Unsent but it
> also told me a new Text had arrived an it was in my Inbox .???
Seems most networks are having problems, simply due to the millions of texts
being sent at the same time.
I've had problems sending from Virgin Mobile, Vodafone, Three and Orange.
Though some sent on Virgin have been received even though they still remain
in my outbox as failed.
In article <363jn3dsoliltuog86lcgblb25shq6d11c@4ax.com>, Stuart B <>
says...
> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
> time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
And given the time of year you are suprised by this?
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"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21e426ff882a2e21989691@nntp.aioe.org
: : In article
: : <363jn3dsoliltuog86lcgblb25shq6d11c@4ax.com>, Stuart B
: : <> says...
: : : I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present
: : : .Message Fails each time .I tried also phoning my
: : : home phone and that rang out tho'
: : : I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
: :
: : And given the time of year you are suprised by this?
Yes. The time of year is irrelevant, the network should be designed to
cope with all eventualities. They make enough money after all.
On the other hand I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised by the
moneygrabbing lot.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
news:5tuma6F1f9runU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> Yes. The time of year is irrelevant, the network should be designed to
> cope with all eventualities. They make enough money after all.
"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21e426ff882a2e21989691@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <363jn3dsoliltuog86lcgblb25shq6d11c@4ax.com>, Stuart B <>
> says...
>> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
>> time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
>> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
>
> And given the time of year you are suprised by this?
Considering that it happens every year? Yes I, for one, am surprised
especially when I consider the amount of income generated by text messages
and the simple solution resting in some sort of network upgrade paid for by
the huge profits made by the network operators.
Besides on this occasion it seems that T-Mobile and virtuals were reporting
failed messages even though they were being sent.
It's pretty shit to be honest - that at the very time of year when people on
a mass scale want to use text messages in order to communicate a social
occasion they are unable to do so.
Any other service would be prepared to receive complaints and do something
about it but it seems that mobile networks don't have to obey the usual
market forces. On a completely different subject it's still impossible, for
example, to obtain ACR on an UK network despite clear EU regulations
demanding its provision.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:25:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.21e426ff882a2e21989691@nntp.aioe.org
>: : In article
>: : <363jn3dsoliltuog86lcgblb25shq6d11c@4ax.com>, Stuart B
>: : <> says...
>: : : I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present
>: : : .Message Fails each time .I tried also phoning my
>: : : home phone and that rang out tho'
>: : : I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
>: :
>: : And given the time of year you are suprised by this?
>
>Yes. The time of year is irrelevant, the network should be designed to
>cope with all eventualities. They make enough money after all.
>
>On the other hand I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised by the
>moneygrabbing lot.
>
>Ivor
All eventualities? So you would like enough capacity for every mobile
in the world to be making a call in the same area. I doubt many of us
would be able to afford to subscribe to such a provider as their costs
would be extremely high. Haing the infrastrusture to cope with a 2
hour peak during the whole year is rather wasteful.
<news@mellis.me.uk> wrote in message
news:2rfkn3htsbrhph9fskvsi5rsqals28h7t6@4ax.com
: : On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:25:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :
: : : "Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
: : : news:MPG.21e426ff882a2e21989691@nntp.aioe.org
: : : : : In article
: : : : : <363jn3dsoliltuog86lcgblb25shq6d11c@4ax.com>,
: : : : : Stuart B <> says...
: : : : : : I'm finding it impossible to send texts at
: : : : : : present .Message Fails each time .I tried also
: : : : : : phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
: : : : : : I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
: : : : :
: : : : : And given the time of year you are suprised by
: : : : : this?
: : :
: : : Yes. The time of year is irrelevant, the network
: : : should be designed to cope with all eventualities.
: : : They make enough money after all.
: : :
: : : On the other hand I suppose I shouldn't really be
: : : surprised by the moneygrabbing lot.
: : :
: : : Ivor
: :
: : All eventualities? So you would like enough capacity
: : for every mobile in the world to be making a call in
: : the same area. I doubt many of us would be able to
: : afford to subscribe to such a provider as their costs
: : would be extremely high. Haing the infrastrusture to
: : cope with a 2 hour peak during the whole year is rather
: : wasteful.
: :
: : Mike
Given the money the networks make they could easily afford to cope with NY
Eve.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:54:12 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
>
><news@mellis.me.uk> wrote in message
>news:2rfkn3htsbrhph9fskvsi5rsqals28h7t6@4ax.com
>: : On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:25:54 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
>: : <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>: :
>: : :
>: : :
>: : : "Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
>: : : news:MPG.21e426ff882a2e21989691@nntp.aioe.org
>: : : : : In article
>: : : : : <363jn3dsoliltuog86lcgblb25shq6d11c@4ax.com>,
>: : : : : Stuart B <> says...
>: : : : : : I'm finding it impossible to send texts at
>: : : : : : present .Message Fails each time .I tried also
>: : : : : : phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
>: : : : : : I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
>: : : : :
>: : : : : And given the time of year you are suprised by
>: : : : : this?
>: : :
>: : : Yes. The time of year is irrelevant, the network
>: : : should be designed to cope with all eventualities.
>: : : They make enough money after all.
>: : :
>: : : On the other hand I suppose I shouldn't really be
>: : : surprised by the moneygrabbing lot.
>: : :
>: : : Ivor
>: :
>: : All eventualities? So you would like enough capacity
>: : for every mobile in the world to be making a call in
>: : the same area. I doubt many of us would be able to
>: : afford to subscribe to such a provider as their costs
>: : would be extremely high. Haing the infrastrusture to
>: : cope with a 2 hour peak during the whole year is rather
>: : wasteful.
>: :
>: : Mike
>
>Given the money the networks make they could easily afford to cope with NY
>Eve.
>
>Ivor
That is probably true but not what you said above.
<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
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: : news@mellis.me.uk wrote in message
: : <83ikn3p12765vgtprmmpfpqu79090kqjr8@4ax.com>:
: :
: : : On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:54:12 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
: : : <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: : :
: :
: : : : Given the money the networks make they could easily
: : : : afford to cope with NY Eve.
: : : :
: : : : Ivor
: : :
: : : That is probably true but not what you said above.
: : :
: : : Mike
: :
: : Any idea how much it would cost to cope with the once a
: : year traffic spike that occurs on NYE?
No idea but the networks must have enough money, given what they charge
the punters for text messages. Nobody's going to convince me an SMS costs
10p or more to send.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:32:07 -0000, Jon <spam@jonparker.plus.com>
wrote:
>In article <363jn3dsoliltuog86lcgblb25shq6d11c@4ax.com>, Stuart B <>
>says...
>> I'm finding it impossible to send texts at present .Message Fails each
>> time .I tried also phoning my home phone and that rang out tho'
>> I'm in the Glasgow G41 area...Orange Network
>
>And given the time of year you are suprised by this?
Wll as I said somewhere else a text I sent to myself got the
"Failed Message " response but the text still got to me and the
person that I sent the text to has just told me that he got my text
message TEN times so altho' I was getting the info that the send
failed they were still getting through .
On 1/1/08 16:08, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
> <deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:crkkn39mg8fiai5cqum43vir5nekb0k0ma@4ax.com
> : : news@mellis.me.uk wrote in message
> : : <83ikn3p12765vgtprmmpfpqu79090kqjr8@4ax.com>:
> : :
> : : : On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:54:12 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> : : : <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> : : :
> : :
> : : : : Given the money the networks make they could easily
> : : : : afford to cope with NY Eve.
> : : : :
> : : : : Ivor
> : : :
> : : : That is probably true but not what you said above.
> : : :
> : : : Mike
> : :
> : : Any idea how much it would cost to cope with the once a
> : : year traffic spike that occurs on NYE?
>
> No idea but the networks must have enough money, given what they charge
> the punters for text messages. Nobody's going to convince me an SMS
> costs 10p or more to send.
>
> Ivor
>
Actually they cost 25p each to send but the networks don't charge any
more as they're basically nice guys and want to help us all.
>
> No idea but the networks must have enough money, given what they charge
> the punters for text messages. Nobody's going to convince me an SMS
> costs 10p or more to send.
But could you be convinced that the licence they had to buy to run
the service cost several billion pounds?
<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
news:431ln31t2vivl35cgd9avet7mm9a045s1n@4ax.com
[snip]
: : So you've got no idea how much it would cost to address
: : the problem but because SMS messages cannot cost 10p or
: : more to send then the networks must have enough money.
: :
: : Have you considered a career in accountancy?
Ok clever clogs, tell me exactly how much (with figures to prove it) an
SMS does cost.
Nobody is going to convince me easily that they cost anywhere near what is
charged or that the networks can't afford to provision for the number of
users they expect to use their systems.
Other businesses are expected to cope with demand, why not mobile
networks..?
> <deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:431ln31t2vivl35cgd9avet7mm9a045s1n@4ax.com
>
> [snip]
>
> : : So you've got no idea how much it would cost to address
> : : the problem but because SMS messages cannot cost 10p or
> : : more to send then the networks must have enough money.
> : :
> : : Have you considered a career in accountancy?
>
> Ok clever clogs, tell me exactly how much (with figures to prove it) an
> SMS does cost.
>
> Nobody is going to convince me easily that they cost anywhere near what is
> charged or that the networks can't afford to provision for the number of
> users they expect to use their systems.
>
> Other businesses are expected to cope with demand, why not mobile
> networks..?
OK, here's a comparison with another industry....
You go to a supermarket on the last Saturday before Christmas.
Usually, you get to the tills, all of which are open, and have to wait
behind 1 other person for a few minutes to pay for your shopping.
However, as it's a peak trading day, you get to the tills, all of which
are open, and have to wait 20-30 minutes to get served - due to the
number of customers and the size of their 'basket'.
Do you consider it reasonable for the supermarket to install a further
30 checkouts, which will remain unused for around 360 days of the year,
just to cope with the extra demand they get at a few, selected days /
hours of the year?
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ia1w16.nl8ktenf6xx5N%steve@italiancar.co.uk
: : Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : <deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
: : : news:431ln31t2vivl35cgd9avet7mm9a045s1n@4ax.com
: : :
: : : [snip]
: : :
: : : : : So you've got no idea how much it would cost to
: : : : : address the problem but because SMS messages
: : : : : cannot cost 10p or more to send then the networks
: : : : : must have enough money.
: : : : :
: : : : : Have you considered a career in accountancy?
: : :
: : : Ok clever clogs, tell me exactly how much (with
: : : figures to prove it) an SMS does cost.
: : :
: : : Nobody is going to convince me easily that they cost
: : : anywhere near what is charged or that the networks
: : : can't afford to provision for the number of users
: : : they expect to use their systems.
: : :
: : : Other businesses are expected to cope with demand,
: : : why not mobile networks..?
: :
: : OK, here's a comparison with another industry....
: :
: : You go to a supermarket on the last Saturday before
: : Christmas.
: :
: : Usually, you get to the tills, all of which are open,
: : and have to wait behind 1 other person for a few
: : minutes to pay for your shopping.
: :
: : However, as it's a peak trading day, you get to the
: : tills, all of which are open, and have to wait 20-30
: : minutes to get served - due to the number of customers
: : and the size of their 'basket'.
: :
: : Do you consider it reasonable for the supermarket to
: : install a further 30 checkouts, which will remain
: : unused for around 360 days of the year, just to cope
: : with the extra demand they get at a few, selected days
: : / hours of the year?
I expect them to be able to reasonably cope with the demand, yes. If they
don't, someone else will, and that someone else will get the business.
> : : Do you consider it reasonable for the supermarket to
> : : install a further 30 checkouts, which will remain
> : : unused for around 360 days of the year, just to cope
> : : with the extra demand they get at a few, selected days
> : : / hours of the year?
>
> I expect them to be able to reasonably cope with the demand, yes. If they
> don't, someone else will, and that someone else will get the business.
Good luck, then - in my comparison, above, you'll spend more time
driving around looking for somewhere that can cope than you'd save by
standing in the queue.
However, surely you're not actually suggesting that supermarkets should
have 30-odd unused checkouts, costing several thousand pounds each, to
cope with the odd period of exceptional demand?
And if so, are you actively boycotting those that don't as some kind of
pointless protest?
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:49:19 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
>I expect them to be able to reasonably cope with the demand, yes. If they
>don't, someone else will, and that someone else will get the business.
>
>Ivor
These days they cope with the demand by being open round the clock. If
individuals don't like long queues than they will shop at a
later/earlier time. If they do increase the number of tills then the
bottle neck will be elsewhere, e.g. you can't move inside the store as
the trolleys are causing a total grid lock. Increase the size of the
store, need more tills, need more trolleys, trolleys cause gridlock
..... until we reach the point that the whole of the city can do their
shopping at the same time, then the roads get blocked with cars, build
a new road, knock down some houses to do so, less population, store
goes bust as there is no longer any demand...
Other methods of capacity management open to the Mobile Phone
companies would be to charge higher prices for texts at peak times to
reduce the demand. I'm sure that 90% of people texting their friends
at midnight don't consider it essential to do so and would be happy to
text at an earlier/later time, but they currently have no incentive to
do so. Perhaps I'm old fashioned but I really don't see the need to
text all my friends in the first hour of the new year in order to wish
them a happy one. Last night I was round at friends to see in the new
year. Shock, horror they have no signal there on my network, should I
have declined their invitation?
Just because you can do something doesn't mean it is right!
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ia1wc1.uoijdiy45ixN%steve@italiancar.co.uk
: : Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : : : Do you consider it reasonable for the supermarket
: : : : : to install a further 30 checkouts, which will
: : : : : remain unused for around 360 days of the year,
: : : : : just to cope with the extra demand they get at a
: : : : : few, selected days / hours of the year?
: : :
: : : I expect them to be able to reasonably cope with the
: : : demand, yes. If they don't, someone else will, and
: : : that someone else will get the business.
: :
: : Good luck, then - in my comparison, above, you'll spend
: : more time driving around looking for somewhere that can
: : cope than you'd save by standing in the queue.
: :
: : However, surely you're not actually suggesting that
: : supermarkets should have 30-odd unused checkouts,
: : costing several thousand pounds each, to cope with the
: : odd period of exceptional demand?
: :
: : And if so, are you actively boycotting those that don't
: : as some kind of pointless protest?
I'll resist the temptation to say I think you're trolling, but we're
really talking about mobile networks, not supermarkets. The comparison is
not exact and therefore worthless.
I repeat - mobile networks should be able to cope with a recognised
regular event such as New Year and unless someone comes up with figures to
prove me wrong, I believe they can afford it.
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:49:19 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> >I expect them to be able to reasonably cope with the demand, yes. If they
> >don't, someone else will, and that someone else will get the business.
> >
> >Ivor
>
> These days they cope with the demand by being open round the clock. If
> individuals don't like long queues than they will shop at a
> later/earlier time.
Exactly.
So, instead of trying to use a mobile at a known peak time, the user
could take the decision to use it either before or after.
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> : : Good luck, then - in my comparison, above, you'll spend
> : : more time driving around looking for somewhere that can
> : : cope than you'd save by standing in the queue.
> : :
> : : However, surely you're not actually suggesting that
> : : supermarkets should have 30-odd unused checkouts,
> : : costing several thousand pounds each, to cope with the
> : : odd period of exceptional demand?
> : :
> : : And if so, are you actively boycotting those that don't
> : : as some kind of pointless protest?
>
> I'll resist the temptation to say I think you're trolling, but we're
> really talking about mobile networks, not supermarkets. The comparison is
> not exact and therefore worthless.
>
> I repeat - mobile networks should be able to cope with a recognised
> regular event such as New Year and unless someone comes up with figures to
> prove me wrong, I believe they can afford it.
No, it's almost exactly the same situation.
Almost any service or industry will have one or two times of the year
which saturate their capacity.
It's just not an economically viable business to scale everything up to
cope with exceptional demand for one or two days, or even one hour per
year....
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On 1/1/08 19:30, SteveH wrote:
>
> It's just not an economically viable business to scale everything up to
> cope with exceptional demand for one or two days, or even one hour per
> year....
> These days they cope with the demand by being open round the clock. If
> individuals don't like long queues than they will shop at a
> later/earlier time. If they do increase the number of tills then the
> bottle neck will be elsewhere, e.g. you can't move inside the store as
> the trolleys are causing a total grid lock. Increase the size of the
> store, need more tills, need more trolleys, trolleys cause gridlock ....
> until we reach the point that the whole of the city can do their
> shopping at the same time, then the roads get blocked with cars, build a
> new road, knock down some houses to do so, less population, store goes
> bust as there is no longer any demand...
> Other methods of capacity management open to the Mobile Phone companies
> would be to charge higher prices for texts at peak times to reduce the
> demand.
Sounds eminently sensible, but the mobile networks being who they are
would probably implement it in an excruciating fashion.
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