Just today I found out about T-Mobile's Web 'n Walk offer and, through
reading the group here, I also found out that Orange offer PAYG
Internet.
I'd be interested in this service but I was wondering if you can browse
any website or is it limited to a certain group of websites?
What would you guys recommend to be a better service - T Mobile or
Orange? I'm currently on Vodafone's PAYG - do you think they'll be
offering PAYG internet any time soon?
> Just today I found out about T-Mobile's Web 'n Walk offer and, through
> reading the group here, I also found out that Orange offer PAYG
> Internet.
>
> I'd be interested in this service but I was wondering if you can browse
> any website or is it limited to a certain group of websites?
>
> What would you guys recommend to be a better service - T Mobile or
> Orange? I'm currently on Vodafone's PAYG - do you think they'll be
> offering PAYG internet any time soon?
Orange PAYG internet is totally unrestricted - I often use it to get to
my works email via VPN as well as for general browsing etc.
The only downside is that it's only GPRS and not 3G, so can be quite
slow.
In message <1hp0q0w.1ol6juoy7icaoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
<steve@italiancar.co.uk> writes
>Orange PAYG internet is totally unrestricted - I often use it to get to
>my works email via VPN as well as for general browsing etc.
It is indeed quite good...
>The only downside is that it's only GPRS and not 3G, so can be quite
>slow.
....If quite slow.
The bottleneck seems to be that the network only allocates one down
timeslot rather than making use of the multiple timeslot capability of
GPRS.
This may be a "clever marketing trick" to make us want to move to 3G,
but not at the price premium :-(
I'm trying to find out if 3's 3G data service can be used PAYG or on
contract without buying a phone/datacard as their 3G offering is quite
competitive for low use.
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> I'm trying to find out if 3's 3G data service can be used PAYG or on
> contract without buying a phone/datacard as their 3G offering is quite
> competitive for low use.
The trouble with 3G speeds is that you'll probably end up using it more.
I *think* you can get 3G speeds with the T-Mobile 'capped' PAYG
offering, but I don't have a 3G signal here so can't test it.
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So, you can go on any website then? It'd be quite handy for me for
browsing message boards etc when I'm at work. Does it allow you sign
into websites, such as gmail and google groups for example?
When you say quite slow, would it be like 56k modem slow or even
slower?
M
Gyp wrote:
> In message <1hp0q0w.1ol6juoy7icaoN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> <steve@italiancar.co.uk> writes
>
> >Orange PAYG internet is totally unrestricted - I often use it to get to
> >my works email via VPN as well as for general browsing etc.
>
> It is indeed quite good...
>
> >The only downside is that it's only GPRS and not 3G, so can be quite
> >slow.
>
> ...If quite slow.
>
> The bottleneck seems to be that the network only allocates one down
> timeslot rather than making use of the multiple timeslot capability of
> GPRS.
>
> This may be a "clever marketing trick" to make us want to move to 3G,
> but not at the price premium :-(
>
> I'm trying to find out if 3's 3G data service can be used PAYG or on
> contract without buying a phone/datacard as their 3G offering is quite
> competitive for low use.
> --
> Gyp
> Take out the chemical loo to reply
> Thanks for the input, guys.
>
> So, you can go on any website then? It'd be quite handy for me for
> browsing message boards etc when I'm at work. Does it allow you sign
> into websites, such as gmail and google groups for example?
Yup, you can do anything you'd usually do on a broadband or dial-up
connection.
GPRS does, however, compress data, so pictures aren't quite perfectly
rendered.
> When you say quite slow, would it be like 56k modem slow or even
> slower?
A bit slower, in my experience.
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Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
In message <1163888975.936760.75500@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>,
Marcel <marcel.marjanovic@googlemail.com> writes
>Thanks for the input, guys.
Try not to top post, Marcel darling!
>So, you can go on any website then? It'd be quite handy for me for
>browsing message boards etc when I'm at work. Does it allow you sign
>into websites, such as gmail and google groups for example?
On Orange, yes. That said you have to prove you are over 18 and turn on
adult content - it feels quite sleazy when all you want is to get onto
unmoderated groups, but it works fine
>When you say quite slow, would it be like 56k modem slow or even
>slower?
The connection claims 57 and a bit k, but a speed test with
Comparable with a 56k modem, but without the hassle of explaining to an
83 year old why you want to disconnect his telephone to send messages to
someone you'll be seeing in a few weeks anyway :-)
In message <1hp0s8y.ra1q491y4kz1rN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
<steve@italiancar.co.uk> writes
>GPRS does, however, compress data, so pictures aren't quite perfectly
>rendered.
It's been a while since I've thought this, but what the hell...
Steve, you're talking bollocks!
GPRS may compress the data, but it must be done in such a way that it
can be uncompressed with no data loss at the other end.
As I'm sat here with a laptop with both a wireless broadband connection
and a GPRS connection (£1 spent, 66 minutes to go), can you really point
me to any jpg that would look different if viewed on one connection and
then the other?
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> In message <1hp0s8y.ra1q491y4kz1rN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> <steve@italiancar.co.uk> writes
>
> >GPRS does, however, compress data, so pictures aren't quite perfectly
> >rendered.
>
> It's been a while since I've thought this, but what the hell...
>
> Steve, you're talking bollocks!
>
> GPRS may compress the data, but it must be done in such a way that it
> can be uncompressed with no data loss at the other end.
>
> As I'm sat here with a laptop with both a wireless broadband connection
> and a GPRS connection (£1 spent, 66 minutes to go), can you really point
> me to any jpg that would look different if viewed on one connection and
> then the other?
Do a direct comparison. There's some proxy server compressing everything
before sending it out over GPRS which means pictures often come out a
severely reduced quality.
In message <1hp0ta4.mhevxl1kpvbq2N%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
<steve@italiancar.co.uk> writes
>Do a direct comparison. There's some proxy server compressing everything
>before sending it out over GPRS which means pictures often come out a
>severely reduced quality.
>
My first attempt ended up with 2 files of identical size.
Regrettably, due to me living in a dip (steady), I've not managed to
repeat the experiment with a definitive result, especially as midnight
approaches...
Over the last few months however, I've not noticed the difference.
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On Nov 18, 11:06 pm, s...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> Gyp <G...@ELSANgyponline.com> wrote:
> > In message <1hp0s8y.ra1q491y4kz1rN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> > <s...@italiancar.co.uk> writes
>
> > >GPRS does, however, compress data, so pictures aren't quite perfectly
> > >rendered.
>
> I'm not the only person who's noticed it:
>
> http://www.matthewman.net/articles/2...speed-up-proxy
Images will only be of a poorer quality due to compression if the
network implements some kind of optimisation, it's not an inherent
issue/"feature" of GPRS. When I was on Orange this depended on the APN
used - when using the internet APN, JPEG images were compressed, but
not when loading the same page via the WAP APN.
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1hp0ta4.mhevxl1kpvbq2N%steve@italiancar.co.uk ...
> Do a direct comparison. There's some proxy server compressing everything
> before sending it out over GPRS which means pictures often come out a
> severely reduced quality.
>
> I'm not the only person who's noticed it:
>
> http://www.matthewman.net/articles/2...speed-up-proxy
I use T-Mobile Web n Walk Pro and if you load a web page with a JPEG file
in, it gives you a web page with a Javascript thing added that shows a lower
quality version of the image and gives you the option to load the proper
version by pressing a key combination (forgotten what it is). Therefore
HTML requests must go via some proxy server that mangles the graphics.
In message <1163938748.715998.178120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>,
Andrew Woodvine <andrew@woodvine.com> writes
>On Nov 18, 11:06 pm, s...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>> Gyp <G...@ELSANgyponline.com> wrote:
>> > In message <1hp0s8y.ra1q491y4kz1rN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
>> > <s...@italiancar.co.uk> writes
>>
>> > >GPRS does, however, compress data, so pictures aren't quite perfectly
>> > >rendered.
>>
>> I'm not the only person who's noticed it:
>>
>> http://www.matthewman.net/articles/2...speed-up-proxy
>
>Images will only be of a poorer quality due to compression if the
>network implements some kind of optimisation, it's not an inherent
>issue/"feature" of GPRS. When I was on Orange this depended on the APN
>used - when using the internet APN, JPEG images were compressed, but
>not when loading the same page via the WAP APN.
I stand corrected then. Sorry Steve!
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So, overall, what should I go for - T-Mobile or Orange?
Does T-Mobile ask for you name, address and occupation like Orange
does? I don't like the idea of these companies having my details and
sending me out crap in the mail.
Also, is it difficult to set up the PAYG Internet, or is it already
done for you via your SIM settings?
Thanks again,
Marcel.
Gyp wrote:
> In message <1163938748.715998.178120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>,
> Andrew Woodvine <andrew@woodvine.com> writes
> >On Nov 18, 11:06 pm, s...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> >> Gyp <G...@ELSANgyponline.com> wrote:
> >> > In message <1hp0s8y.ra1q491y4kz1rN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> >> > <s...@italiancar.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >> > >GPRS does, however, compress data, so pictures aren't quite perfectly
> >> > >rendered.
> >>
> >> I'm not the only person who's noticed it:
> >>
> >> http://www.matthewman.net/articles/2...speed-up-proxy
> >
> >Images will only be of a poorer quality due to compression if the
> >network implements some kind of optimisation, it's not an inherent
> >issue/"feature" of GPRS. When I was on Orange this depended on the APN
> >used - when using the internet APN, JPEG images were compressed, but
> >not when loading the same page via the WAP APN.
>
> I stand corrected then. Sorry Steve!
> --
> Gyp
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:55:10 +0000, Gyp <Gyp@ELSANgyponline.com>
wrote:
>It's been a while since I've thought this, but what the hell...
>
>Steve, you're talking bollocks!
>
>GPRS may compress the data, but it must be done in such a way that it
>can be uncompressed with no data loss at the other end.
I'm afraid you are very wrong. I can't speak for your connection, but
many GPRS / 3G data connections go through a downsampling proxy which
recompresses images at much lower quality. The Orange one adds a
little popup telling you to click the image to get the full quality
version.
On Orange, if you use the VPN APN you can avoid this, but it's not an
option you can just switch off.
In message <W65fsUAuBMYFFwOO@funduro.demon.co.uk>, Gyp
<Gyp@ELSANgyponline.com> writes
>I stand corrected then. Sorry Steve!
Totally corrected. As I didn't go to work today and had lots of sitting
about on top of a hill I got to do some playing.
Downloading a particular jpg using the "orangeinternet" APN got me a
73.3k image. Trying again using the "orangewap" APN got me a 406k image.
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