William Black wrote:
> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>
> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>
> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>
> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>
Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
network code.
Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>
>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>
>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>
>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>
> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
> network code.
>
> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
> Voda Australia is 505-03
>
> Phones are locked to the network code
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>
> So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>
> Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
> e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
> Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>
> Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>
So if I buy a Vodafone phone and fit a Vodafone chip it won't work
unless I have it unlocked...
So does anyone who actually travels abroad bother with PAYG phones tied
to a single supplier?
--
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Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.mobile Job Justification Hearings, William
Black chose the tried and tested strategy of:
> On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>> network code.
>>
>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>
>> Phones are locked to the network code
> So does anyone who actually travels abroad bother with PAYG phones tied
> to a single supplier?
If I read Steve Terry's post right then...no, because you can't.
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> Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.mobile Job Justification Hearings, William
> Black chose the tried and tested strategy of:
>
>> On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
>
>>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>>> network code.
>>>
>>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>>
>>> Phones are locked to the network code
>
>> So does anyone who actually travels abroad bother with PAYG phones tied
>> to a single supplier?
>
> If I read Steve Terry's post right then...no, because you can't.
You can if you're okay with your local phone company's roaming charges in
the countries you travel to.
--
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On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>
>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>
>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>
>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>
> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
> Their phones are already unlocked.
HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:23:03 +0100, William Black
<blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
>> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
>> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>
>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>
>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>
>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>
>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>
>> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
>> Their phones are already unlocked.
>
>HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
>
>HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
>
>Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
William Black wrote:
> On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
<snip>
>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>> network code.
>>
>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>
>> Phones are locked to the network code
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>>
>> So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>>
>> Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
>> e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
>> Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>>
>> Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>
> So if I buy a Vodafone phone and fit a Vodafone chip it won't work
> unless I have it unlocked...
>
If you try putting say a Voda Australia Sim into a locked Voda UK phone
then no it won't work as they have different network codes.
Get it unlocked
>
> So does anyone who actually travels abroad bother with PAYG phones
> tied to a single supplier?
>
Only if you are happy with your networks PAYG roaming rates.
The rest of use use unlocked phones when roaming, giving us the choice
of UK or local Sims
William Black wrote:
> On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
>> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
>> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>
>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>
>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>
>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>
>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>
>> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
>> Their phones are already unlocked.
>
> HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
>
> HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
>
> Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
>
Unless GID1 locked which is rare these days, you can put any UK
Vodafone Sim in a locked phone from a UK Vodafone shop.
A Vodafone sim from another country will have a different network
code and won't work until the phone is unlocked
"William Black" <blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:invv07$jt3$8@dont-email.me...
> On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
>> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
>> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>
>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>
>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>
>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>
>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>
>> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
>> Their phones are already unlocked.
>
> HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
>
> HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
>
> Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
because the phone is only cheaper because Voda have paid the extra 50 quid
for you.
On 12/4/11 08:25, tim.... wrote:
> "William Black"<blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:invv07$jt3$8@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
>>> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
>>> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>>
>>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>>
>>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>>
>>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>>
>>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>
>>> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
>>> Their phones are already unlocked.
>>
>> HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
>>
>> HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
>>
>> Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
>
> because the phone is only cheaper because Voda have paid the extra 50 quid
> for you.
That's a better explanation - I don't think the OP understands 'network
subsidy'. ;-)
On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:10:15 +0100, William Black wrote:
> On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>
>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about ?20.
>>>
>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone ?20 to stay a customer...
>>>
>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>
>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>> network code.
>>
>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>
>> Phones are locked to the network code
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>>
>> So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>>
>> Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
>> e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
>> Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>>
>> Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>>
>
> So if I buy a Vodafone phone and fit a Vodafone chip it won't work
> unless I have it unlocked...
AIUI you don't buy a _Vodafone_ SIM, you buy a Vodafone _UK_ SIM.
If you wish to use that in a Vodafone _Spain_ (for example) phone,
that is from a different part of the business and won't be compatible.
For example, the plug on a Vodafone charger bought in France wouldn't
be the same as on a charger bought in Britian.
Just because the operations share the same parent company doesn't
mean they have to inter-operate - they're each different commercial
operations working in different countries.
>William Black wrote:
>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>
>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>
>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>
>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>
>Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>network code.
>
>e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>Voda Australia is 505-03
>
>Phones are locked to the network code
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>
>So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>
>Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
>e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
>Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>
>Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>
>Steve Terry
I am currently in Oz and using a Nokia that has been unlocked to
enable me to use a C&W sim card (in the UK). Before I travelled I
purchased an Oz voda sim which is working well.
However, I brought with me a Voda broadband dongle and purchased a 3G
sim here in Oz and it doesn't work - It looks as thogh I should have
had the dongle unlocked prior toleaving the UK
I would appear that the Voda type refered to by the OP was indeed
correct
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Cheers
Peter
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On 12/04/11 08:25, tim.... wrote:
> "William Black"<blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:invv07$jt3$8@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
>>> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
>>> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>>
>>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>>
>>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>>
>>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>>
>>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>
>>> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
>>> Their phones are already unlocked.
>>
>> HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
>>
>> HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
>>
>> Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
>
> because the phone is only cheaper because Voda have paid the extra 50 quid
> for you.
So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
*******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their products.
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>
> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>
> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
> products.
>
So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up, but
there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!) *subsidises*
the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to 'persuade' you to
use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make calls through it's
network.
The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an unlocked
handset.
On 12/04/11 17:40, J B wrote:
> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>
>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>
>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>> products.
>>
> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>
> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up, but
> there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!) *subsidises*
> the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to 'persuade' you to
> use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make calls through it's
> network.
> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>
> That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an unlocked
> handset.
>
> Understand????????????
>
So you're telling me that Vodafone, erm, isn't part of Vodafone?
Well, except when they arrange not to pay UK tax...
I understand exactly what's going on.
I'm being ripped off by a predator.
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
Peter wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:22:22 +0100, "Steve Terry" <gfourwwk@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>
>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>
>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>
>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>
>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>> network code.
>>
>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>
>> Phones are locked to the network code
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>>
>> So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>>
>> Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
>> e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
>> Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>>
>> Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>>
>> Steve Terry
>
> I am currently in Oz and using a Nokia that has been unlocked to
> enable me to use a C&W sim card (in the UK). Before I travelled I
> purchased an Oz voda sim which is working well.
>
> However, I brought with me a Voda broadband dongle and purchased a 3G
> sim here in Oz and it doesn't work - It looks as thogh I should have
> had the dongle unlocked prior toleaving the UK
>
>
Not only will you have to have the Voda UK dongle unlocked to
use a Voda Oz sim, you'll need to use all the Voda Oz settings.
"William Black" <blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:io29i9$rrm$2@dont-email.me...
> On 12/04/11 17:40, J B wrote:
>> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>>
>>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>>
>>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>>> products.
>>>
>> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>>
>> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up, but
>> there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!) *subsidises*
>> the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to 'persuade' you to
>> use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make calls through it's
>> network.
>> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
>> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>>
>> That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an unlocked
>> handset.
>>
>> Understand????????????
>>
> So you're telling me that Vodafone, erm, isn't part of Vodafone?
Depends on which bean counter is counting...
>
> Well, except when they arrange not to pay UK tax...
>
> I understand exactly what's going on.
>
> I'm being ripped off by a predator.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> Free men have open minds
> If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
J B wrote:
> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>
>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>
>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>> products.
>>
> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>
> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up,
> but there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!)
> *subsidises* the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to
> 'persuade' you to use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make
> calls through it's network.
> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>
Or a practical example is that One2One UK had network code 234-30,
T Mobile took them over but as the networks name is independent
of the code, the name changed but the network code didn't.
Each country has different sets of network codes allocated to them,
therefore a multinational companies local national network will each
have a code related to that country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:15:42 +0100, J B <jb@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 12/4/11 08:25, tim.... wrote:
>> "William Black"<blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:invv07$jt3$8@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
>>>> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
>>>> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>>>
>>>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>>>
>>>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>>
>>>> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
>>>> Their phones are already unlocked.
>>>
>>> HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
>>>
>>> HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
>>>
>>> Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
>>
>> because the phone is only cheaper because Voda have paid the extra 50 quid
>> for you.
>
>That's a better explanation - I don't think the OP understands 'network
>subsidy'. ;-)
>On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:10:15 +0100, William Black wrote:
>> On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>>
>>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about ?20.
>>>>
>>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone ?20 to stay a customer...
>>>>
>>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>>
>>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>>> network code.
>>>
>>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>>
>>> Phones are locked to the network code
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>>>
>>> So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>>>
>>> Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
>>> e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
>>> Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>>>
>>> Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>>>
>>
>> So if I buy a Vodafone phone and fit a Vodafone chip it won't work
>> unless I have it unlocked...
>
>AIUI you don't buy a _Vodafone_ SIM, you buy a Vodafone _UK_ SIM.
>If you wish to use that in a Vodafone _Spain_ (for example) phone,
>that is from a different part of the business and won't be compatible.
>For example, the plug on a Vodafone charger bought in France wouldn't
>be the same as on a charger bought in Britian.
>Just because the operations share the same parent company doesn't
>mean they have to inter-operate - they're each different commercial
>operations working in different countries.
I think you will find that the difference in charger is because of
different electrical systems rather than the domicile of the company.
"William Black" <blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:io29i9$rrm$2@dont-email.me...
> On 12/04/11 17:40, J B wrote:
>> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>>
>>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>>
>>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>>> products.
>>>
>> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>>
>> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up, but
>> there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!) *subsidises*
>> the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to 'persuade' you to
>> use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make calls through it's
>> network.
>> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
>> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>>
>> That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an unlocked
>> handset.
>>
>> Understand????????????
>>
> So you're telling me that Vodafone, erm, isn't part of Vodafone?
>
> Well, except when they arrange not to pay UK tax...
>
> I understand exactly what's going on.
>
> I'm being ripped off by a predator.
You bought a locked phone.
That's basically like saying yeah I'll stick with you now, go ahead charge
me whatever the hell you like because I can't switch to another company.
Basically IMHO you got what you deserved.
I'd never ever buy a locked phone unless I knew I could immediately unlock
it for free, I'm not that stupid.
--
Brian Gregory. (In the UK) ng@bgdsv.co.uk
To email me remove the letter vee.
On 12/04/11 23:00, Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
> "William Black"<blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:io29i9$rrm$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/04/11 17:40, J B wrote:
>>> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>>>
>>>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>>>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>>>
>>> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up, but
>>> there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!) *subsidises*
>>> the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to 'persuade' you to
>>> use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make calls through it's
>>> network.
>>> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
>>> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>>>
>>> That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an unlocked
>>> handset.
>>>
>>> Understand????????????
>>>
>> So you're telling me that Vodafone, erm, isn't part of Vodafone?
>>
>> Well, except when they arrange not to pay UK tax...
>>
>> I understand exactly what's going on.
>>
>> I'm being ripped off by a predator.
>
> You bought a locked phone.
Not yet I haven't.
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>On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:10:15 +0100, William Black wrote:
>> On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>>
>>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about ?20.
>>>>
>>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone ?20 to stay a customer...
>>>>
>>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>>
>>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>>> network code.
>>>
>>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>>
>>> Phones are locked to the network code
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>>>
>>> So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>>>
>>> Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
>>> e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
>>> Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>>>
>>> Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>>>
>>
>> So if I buy a Vodafone phone and fit a Vodafone chip it won't work
>> unless I have it unlocked...
>
>AIUI you don't buy a _Vodafone_ SIM, you buy a Vodafone _UK_ SIM.
>If you wish to use that in a Vodafone _Spain_ (for example) phone,
>that is from a different part of the business and won't be compatible.
>For example, the plug on a Vodafone charger bought in France wouldn't
>be the same as on a charger bought in Britian.
>Just because the operations share the same parent company doesn't
>mean they have to inter-operate - they're each different commercial
>operations working in different countries.
That's true, but it could still make good business sense to allow
Vodafone SIMs in other countries to be used in a phone sold by
Vodafone in the UK.
Rather than having people unlocking their phones and using them with
competitors networks when they go overseas, they might be able to
retain them as Vodafone customers for the benefit of the group as a
whole.
William Black wrote:
> On 12/04/11 17:40, J B wrote:
>> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>>
>>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>>
>>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>>> products.
>>>
>> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>>
>> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up,
>> but there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!)
>> *subsidises* the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to
>> 'persuade' you to use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make
>> calls through it's network.
>> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
>> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>>
>> That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an
>> unlocked handset.
>>
>> Understand????????????
>>
> So you're telling me that Vodafone, erm, isn't part of Vodafone?
>
> Well, except when they arrange not to pay UK tax...
>
> I understand exactly what's going on.
>
> I'm being ripped off by a predator.
You're assuming that Vodafone sells phones with the same network subsidy all
over the world. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that in other
countries phones aren't all sold in the same way as in the UK.
Here, the companies opted for low (subsidised) handset price & high call
costs. For the companies to avoid losing money on the handsets they
introduced "locking". In some other countries I believe they pay much more
for their handsets and consequently pay lower call charges and haven't had
to have locked handsets.
If companies in countries that sold subsidised handsets *didn't* lock them,
they would lose money on every handset that was taken out of that country.
If you want a cheap "subsidised" handset, you can't expect it to come
without any strings attached, even if you're getting it from an
international company.
On 12/04/2011 12:53, William Black wrote:
> On 12/04/11 08:25, tim.... wrote:
>> "William Black"<blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:invv07$jt3$8@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/04/11 23:12, Phil W Lee wrote:
>>>> William Black<blackusenet@gmail.com> considered Mon, 11 Apr 2011
>>>> 15:12:57 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>>>
>>>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about £20.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone £20 to stay a customer...
>>>>>
>>>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>>
>>>> Go into Carphone Warehouse instead.
>>>> Their phones are already unlocked.
>>>
>>> HTC Wildfire in Carphone Warehouse, £189
>>>
>>> HTC Wildfire in Vodafone shop £139
>>>
>>> Why can't I buy the cheaper phone and use any Vodafone chip in it?
>>
>> because the phone is only cheaper because Voda have paid the extra 50
>> quid
>> for you.
>
> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>
> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
> products.
>
FFS, how many time does this have to be explained to you?
VodafoneUK is not the same as VodafoneES. They are separate companies
with entirely different network codes. Anyway, Movistar is a cheaper
option in Spain and would still require your phone unlocking.
Phones are not locked to a company name, they are locked to the network
code for a particular company. Generally, each network in each country
has a different network code, and Vodafone in Spain (or any other
country for that matter) will *not* have the same network code as
Vodafone in the UK.
On 12/04/2011 20:35, William Black wrote:
> On 12/04/11 17:40, J B wrote:
>> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>>
>>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>>
>>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>>> products.
>>>
>> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>>
>> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up, but
>> there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!) *subsidises*
>> the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to 'persuade' you to
>> use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make calls through it's
>> network.
>> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
>> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>>
>> That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an unlocked
>> handset.
>>
>> Understand????????????
>>
> So you're telling me that Vodafone, erm, isn't part of Vodafone?
VodafoneES isn't part of VodafoneUk, no.
> Well, except when they arrange not to pay UK tax...
>
> I understand exactly what's going on.
No, you really don't. You're either exceptionally blinkered and
determined to ignore all the information you've been given, or you're a
troll.
> I'm being ripped off by a predator.
Nope. I'm no fan of Voda, I find their prices high, and object to the
way they brand handsets, but it's hardly as if someone is forcing you to
use them is it?
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:02:23 +0800, Chris Blunt wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:30:42 +0000 (UTC), root
><noone_you-know@notatthisaddress.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:10:15 +0100, William Black wrote:
>>> On 11/04/11 17:22, Steve Terry wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> I went into the Vodafone shop today and enquired about a new phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was told that to use a Vodafone SIM that wasn't sourced in the UK
>>>>> would require the phone to be unlocked, at a cost of about ?20.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if I go abroad I need to pay Vodafone ?20 to stay a customer...
>>>>>
>>>>> Did the bloke actually know what he was talking about?
>>>>>
>>>> Yes a Vodafone sim from another country will have that countries
>>>> network code.
>>>>
>>>> e.g. Voda UK is 234-15
>>>> Voda Australia is 505-03
>>>>
>>>> Phones are locked to the network code
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
>>>>
>>>> So get it unlocked to use any networks sim
>>>>
>>>> Virtual networks use the same network code as the host.
>>>> e.g Asda Mobile uses the same as Voda UK (234-15) so a
>>>> Voda UK phone wouldn't need to be unlocked for Asda.
>>>>
>>>> Unless the phone is also GID1 sim type locked too
>>>>
>>>
>>> So if I buy a Vodafone phone and fit a Vodafone chip it won't work
>>> unless I have it unlocked...
>>
>>AIUI you don't buy a _Vodafone_ SIM, you buy a Vodafone _UK_ SIM.
>>If you wish to use that in a Vodafone _Spain_ (for example) phone,
>>that is from a different part of the business and won't be compatible.
>>For example, the plug on a Vodafone charger bought in France wouldn't
>>be the same as on a charger bought in Britian.
>>Just because the operations share the same parent company doesn't
>>mean they have to inter-operate - they're each different commercial
>>operations working in different countries.
>
> That's true, but it could still make good business sense to allow
> Vodafone SIMs in other countries to be used in a phone sold by
> Vodafone in the UK.
Maybe it would be good business sense - but remember who we're talking
about here The basic problem, that the OP is desperately trying not
to get, is that each country operation is a separate part of the business
with a need to make its own profit, within its own geographical area.
So obviously each country operation will put its own profitability highest,
even if that would damage the sum total value of the whole corporation
(though it would be exceedingly hard to prove that, and in none of
the individual country operations' interests to try and demonstrate).
>
> Rather than having people unlocking their phones and using them with
> competitors networks when they go overseas, they might be able to
> retain them as Vodafone customers for the benefit of the group as a
> whole.
>
Indeed. But the needs of the many (i.e. each country operation) outweighs
the needs of the few - or in this case: the holding company.
On 13/04/11 08:27, Tim Downie wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> On 12/04/11 17:40, J B wrote:
>>> On 12/4/11 12:53, William Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So why won't they let me use, say, a Vodafone Spain chip in it?
>>>>
>>>> The obvious answer seems to be because they're a set of profiteering
>>>> *******s who want you to pay them twice for the right to use their
>>>> products.
>>>>
>>> So - did you read the explanation about 'network subsidy'???
>>>
>>> The network, let's call it 'Mobinet UK' (it's just a name I made up,
>>> but there's probably one called that somewhere in the world!)
>>> *subsidises* the handset (sells it to you at a discount), so as to
>>> 'persuade' you to use it's SIM card (that you call a 'chip') to make
>>> calls through it's network.
>>> The fact that there may be a company called 'Mobinet ES' that is
>>> somewhere connected to the UK company is not relevant.
>>>
>>> That's the way it works - get used to it .......... or get an
>>> unlocked handset.
>>>
>>> Understand????????????
>>>
>> So you're telling me that Vodafone, erm, isn't part of Vodafone?
>>
>> Well, except when they arrange not to pay UK tax...
>>
>> I understand exactly what's going on.
>>
>> I'm being ripped off by a predator.
>
> You're assuming that Vodafone sells phones with the same network subsidy
> all over the world.
Noi.
I assume that they're 'joined up'.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that in other
> countries phones aren't all sold in the same way as in the UK.
Why should I care?
> If companies in countries that sold subsidised handsets *didn't* lock
> them, they would lose money on every handset that was taken out of that
> country. If you want a cheap "subsidised" handset, you can't expect it
> to come without any strings attached, even if you're getting it from an
> international company.
The 'strings' in this case seem remarkably one sided...
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
Paying Vodafone extra to use a Vodafone? 
The basic problem, that the OP is desperately trying not
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