Alan wrote:
> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse than
> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>
>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>
>> Please sign. Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>
> Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us getting
> hundreds of radio stations on DAB?
There's not enough business to use all the slots on DVB or current
DAB - where's the business model to pay for all these stations
you dream of?
In message <r4I5AhJbM0QKFwUU@bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
<tony@bancom.co.uk> writes
>In article <CQIA3QFTXyQKFwTk@g3ohx.demon.co.uk>, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVET
>HISjackson@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>In message <W6SdnfohqtaJAt_XnZ2dnUVZ8l6dnZ2d@bt.com>, Kráftéé
>><kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> writes
>>>Jimbo GM4DHJ .... wrote:
>>>| "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote in message
>>>| news:7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>|| There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>>||
>>>|| http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>>||
>>>|| Please sign. Thanks.
>>>||
>>>||
>>>| cool thanks ......
>>>
>>>Maybe some more bandwidth to play with.......Naah I doubt it (it'll be
>>>sold to the highest bidder)
>>>
>>Who IS going to buy that part of the spectrum? There's not a lot of
>>activity between (say) 30 and 87MHz at the moment, so I don't think that
>>there will be as great a demand for the FM radio spectrum as some people
>>think.
>
>There are tracts of spectrum from around 30 to 87 MHz that are hardly
>used as no one wants them;!...
Offhand, I'm not sure what one might expect to find. Old FM cordless
phones 30 to 33MHz. IF region 33 to 40MHz 'protected'. Some radio
control around 49MHz (?), plus old toy walkie talkies and baby alarms.
Amateur 50 to 52MHz. There used to be a blind landing system on 75MHz.
Some council, gas and electricity board stuff around 80Mhz? OK, all of
the spectrum will be allocated, but the actual usage is very low.
Of course, one of the problems with these relatively low frequencies is
the size of the aerial, especially for handheld portable use (even if
loading is used). And, there's also a severe problem with sporadic-E
interference - especially around this time of year. It is not without
good reason that, some time ago, Band 1 was abandoned for TV
transmissions in many European countries.
--
Ian
In article <h1vik5$vbp$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Paul D.Smith
<paul_d_smith@hotmail.com> wrote:
> And why would I want to purchase something that only works in the UK?
why not, your TV only worked in the UK?
> From my kitchen, most DAB reception is simply too bad to listen to but I
> can happily get the same stations on FM. Also, my DAB radio uses
> significantly more power that my old FM/AM sets.
Do not forget that if DAB beomes the normal broadcast medium, there will be
more transmitters
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:04:29 +0100, charles wrote:
> Do not forget that if DAB beomes the normal broadcast medium, there will
> be more transmitters
You hope... The Beeb currently quote 86% of UK population covered for
DAB with plans to 90%. Not that is "UK population" not land mass.
Anyone have the figures for the coverage of the national networks on
FM?
> This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I receive it
> in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to the radio
> in a car).
It's certainly not at the same cost, but I've listened to 96k streams in the
car with my Nokia E61 plugged into the AUX on the car stereo through
Vodafone 3G. I have found it somewhat unreliable once in city centres, but I
have managed to drive from Leeds to Manchester along the M62 listening to a
stream without any drops. But right now it's nowhere near as seamless as
FM+RDS, and you'll need to pay for 3G and something to receive it on.
AFAIK there is no satellite radio in the UK as yet. I should have thought
there'd be a market for it. What ever happened to Worldspace?
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"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:PgWDb$GohyQKFwRu@g3ohx.demon.co.uk
> In message <7afod6F1vg9u0U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse
> than
> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> writes
>
>
>>
>> * DAB uses frequencies of around 200 MHz, whereas FM uses
>> frequencies
>> of around 100 MHz - i.e. DAB couldn't be transmitted in the FM band
>> anyway
>>
> Surely there's no technical reason why DAB cannot be transmitted at
> the
> present 'FM' frequencies?
It says in the DAB spec that DAB can be transmitted at any frequency
from (IIRC) about 100 MHz up to 2 or 3 GHz, but receivers aren't
designed to receive DAB at 100 MHz, so it wouldn't be used there.
>It is arguable that propagation and RF
> penetration is better than at 200MHz. All you will need is a new
> radio.
> This will be no great hardship as, the way things are going, if they
> change DAB to DAB+ I'm going to have to change my DAB/FM radio
> anyway in
> order to receive anything at all.
Yeah, but there are no plans to add the FM band to the frequencies
that DAB receivers support (in terms of support for receiving DAB
signals - most can receive FM as well).
--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM
"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report
"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
news:r4I5AhJbM0QKFwUU@bancom.co.uk...
> In article <CQIA3QFTXyQKFwTk@g3ohx.demon.co.uk>, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVET
> HISjackson@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>In message <W6SdnfohqtaJAt_XnZ2dnUVZ8l6dnZ2d@bt.com>, Kráftéé
>><kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> writes
>>>Jimbo GM4DHJ .... wrote:
>>>| "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote in message
>>>| news:7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>|| There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>>||
>>>|| http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>>||
>>>|| Please sign. Thanks.
>>>||
>>>||
>>>| cool thanks ......
>>>
>>>Maybe some more bandwidth to play with.......Naah I doubt it (it'll be
>>>sold to the highest bidder)
>>>
>>Who IS going to buy that part of the spectrum? There's not a lot of
>>activity between (say) 30 and 87MHz at the moment, so I don't think that
>>there will be as great a demand for the FM radio spectrum as some people
>>think.
>
> There are tracts of spectrum from around 30 to 87 MHz that are hardly
> used as no one wants them;!...
> Tony Sayer
>
>
Broadcasters need consistantancy, 30 to 80MHz suffers from Sporadic E,
high ignition interference QRN.
Digital DRM will offer some immunity.
Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:04:29 +0100, charles wrote:
>
>> Do not forget that if DAB beomes the normal broadcast medium, there will
>> be more transmitters
>
> You hope... The Beeb currently quote 86% of UK population covered for
> DAB with plans to 90%. Not that is "UK population" not land mass.
> Anyone have the figures for the coverage of the national networks on
> FM?
ISTR it's about 96% of the UK population (for BBC R1-4), Classic FM is
85-90% ish I think.
"DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote in message
news:7afvb2F1vcqeoU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Steve Terry" <gFOURwwk@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:h1ubkq$mge$1@news.albasani.net
>> "Kráftéé" <kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> wrote in message
>> news:so2dnUqKDqA-Ld_XnZ2dnUVZ8u2dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> jasee wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse
>>>>> than FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>>>>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us getting
>>>>> hundreds of radio stations on DAB?
>>>>
>>>> Why would it do that?
>>>> How many more rubbish radio stations (at lower quality than FM) do
>>>> you want anyway?
>>>
>>> But with a greater bandwidth they wouldn't have to compress the audio
>>> so much & so you could have better quality sound, the way it should
>>> be!
>>>
>> What we need is more compression to recreate a greater bandwidth,
>> with DRM that's what you get
>
>
> Where are you getting this stuff about DRM from? A typical DRM station is
> the BBC World Service, which transmits in a 9 or 10 kHz bandwidth channel
> and it uses a bit rate of about 20 kbps. The audio quality is so bad that
> it makes DAB sound good in comparison, and I consider the audio quality on
> DAB to be dire.
>
If you tried DAB at 20kbps it would be even worse
>
> If you really mean DRM+ then that's a different story, but DRM without the
> + is a crap, low quality system that's only really meant to replace MW
> stations. And DRM doesn't stand a chance of getting established in the UK
> now, because I don't think there are any receivers in teh shops that
> support DRM - if there are any there's only one or two.
>
>
Yes of course DRM+, of course there aren't any receivers for sale
no one is broadcasting DRM+ yet
Guess what, the Flux capacitor for time travel isn't available yet either.
"JN" <jim@home> wrote in message
news:3vKdnVTB34-61t7XnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
> Kráftéé wrote:
>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> | "Alan" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>> | news:AtSTnMGj7pQKFwgC@amac.f2s.com
>> || In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse
>> || than
>> || FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>> ||| There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>> |||
>> ||| http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
<snip>
> This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I receive it in
> my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to the radio in a
> car).
> JN
>
>
I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g dongle,
5 quid per month.
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>
> Please sign. Thanks.
>
>
<mad>
So why do we need the American spelling "Analog" in this petition?
PLEASE why can't we remain British and use ENGLISH in this country....
</mad>
A
"Andy Dee" <notme@honest.gov> wrote in message
news:SYL0m.4944$4r7.3624@newsfe24.ams2...
> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>
>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>> Please sign. Thanks.
>>
> <mad>
> So why do we need the American spelling "Analog" in this petition?
>
> PLEASE why can't we remain British and use ENGLISH in this country....
> </mad>
> A
>
>
Because most of these pointless petitions are written by idiots
Steve Terry wrote:
> "JN" <jim@home> wrote in message
> news:3vKdnVTB34-61t7XnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>> "Alan" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:AtSTnMGj7pQKFwgC@amac.f2s.com
>>>>> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse
>>>>> than
>>>>> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>>>>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched
>>>>>> off: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
> <snip>
>> This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I receive
>> it in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to the
>> radio in a car).
>> JN
>>
>>
> I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
> dongle, 5 quid per month.
I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also over vast
areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)
On 25 June, 15:21, Mark Carver <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Dave Liquorice wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:04:29 +0100, charles wrote:
>
> >> Do not forget that if DAB beomes the normal broadcast medium, there will
> >> be more transmitters
>
> > You hope... The Beeb currently quote 86% of UK population covered for
> > DAB with plans to 90%. Not that is "UK population" not land mass.
> > Anyone have the figures for the coverage of the national networks on
> > FM?
>
> ISTR it's about 96% of the UK population (for BBC R1-4), Classic FM is
> 85-90% ish I think.
DAB certainly hasn't reached our area yet, and it seems no concrete
plans for it in the near future.
Presumably they'll have to START it in our area before they can
consider switching FM off.
Could be quite a long wait according to this...
jasee wrote:
> Steve Terry wrote:
>> "JN" <jim@home> wrote in message
>> news:3vKdnVTB34-61t7XnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>>> "Alan" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:AtSTnMGj7pQKFwgC@amac.f2s.com
>>>>>> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>>>>>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched
>>>>>>> off: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>> <snip>
>>> This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I receive
>>> it in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to the
>>> radio in a car).
>>> JN
>>>
>>>
>> I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
>> dongle, 5 quid per month.
>
> I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also over vast
> areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)
>
>
I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical
(setting up laptop and mobile in my car before setting off each morning ).
To have decent programmes usually requires a reasonable investment in
talent and I don't see how tiny internet stations can achieve this
without a mass market. As far as I can see the more stations we have the
worse the material on offer. DTV seems to be a good example, I'm often
seeing the same programmes on that I watched in the 1960/70's.
Most current commercial radio stations are fairly dire, usually playing
almost continuous music or having intentionally provocative presenters
to generate revenue from phone ins.
"Andy Dee" <notme@honest.gov> wrote in message
news:SYL0m.4944$4r7.3624@newsfe24.ams2...
> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>
>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>
>> Please sign. Thanks.
>>
>>
> <mad>
> So why do we need the American spelling "Analog" in this petition?
>
> PLEASE why can't we remain British and use ENGLISH in this country....
> </mad>
> A
I'm afraid the Times spells it 'analog'.
In article <kq2dndgX_qWSPd7XnZ2dnUVZ8lmdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk >, Jn wrote:
> >> I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
> >> dongle, 5 quid per month.
> >
> > I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also over
vast
> > areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)
> >
> >
> I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
> Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical
What's impractical today will be commonplace tomorrow if enough people want it,
or if somebody sees a marketing possibility. A 3G internet car radio with a
reasonable number of presets doesn't need us to invent anything new - just to
extend and reconfigure what we've already got. With literally thousands of
radio stations, everybody can have their choice of quality or quantity.
jasee wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse than
>> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>>
>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>
>> Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us getting
>> hundreds of radio stations on DAB?
>
> Why would it do that?
> How many more rubbish radio stations (at lower quality than FM) do you want
> anyway?
>
>
I have a good tuner and the sound on DAB is fine. Better by far than
the hissy FM I used to get, even with a very good external FM
aerial. I gave my FM tuner away.
FM isn't being switched off. National networks are being transferred
to DAB (+ DVB etc etc) and FM re-allocated to local 'community' radio.
There's no way I would sign - the faster we switch the better.
> This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I receive it
> in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to the radio
> in a car).
iPlayer > iPod
iPod > Car
No good for live, but I still have R4 FM for live. Don't use it -
choice of previous week's R4 much more useful!
"Ian Smith" <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> wrote in message
news:Ytadnajofv-ZWd7XnZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk
> jasee wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse
>>> than
>>> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched
>>>> off:
>>>>
>>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>>
>>> Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us
>>> getting
>>> hundreds of radio stations on DAB?
>>
>> Why would it do that?
>> How many more rubbish radio stations (at lower quality than FM) do
>> you
>> want anyway?
>>
>>
>
> I have a good tuner and the sound on DAB is fine.
I have a good tuner and the sound of DAB is absolutely dire compared
to FM.
> Better by far than
> the hissy FM I used to get, even with a very good external FM
> aerial. I gave my FM tuner away.
In other words, you live in a crap FM reception area.
Reception quality is different to audio quality, and anybody who has
reasonably good reception quality on both DAB and FM will receive
higher qulaity on FM.
--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM
"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk> wrote
in
message news:VA.0000074a.0171a77c@escapetime.removethisbit .myzen.co.uk
> In article <kq2dndgX_qWSPd7XnZ2dnUVZ8lmdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk >, Jn
> wrote:
>>>> I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
>>>> dongle, 5 quid per month.
>>>
>>> I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also
>>> over
> vast
>>> areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)
>>>
>>>
>> I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
>> Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical
>
> What's impractical today will be commonplace tomorrow if enough
> people
> want it, or if somebody sees a marketing possibility. A 3G internet
> car
> radio with a reasonable number of presets doesn't need us to invent
> anything new - just to extend and reconfigure what we've already
> got.
> With literally thousands of radio stations, everybody can have their
> choice of quality or quantity.
A couple of demo Internet radio car stereos came out earlier this
year:
"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report
"JN" <jim@home> wrote in message
news:kq2dndgX_qWSPd7XnZ2dnUVZ8lmdnZ2d@brightview.c o.uk
> jasee wrote:
>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>> "JN" <jim@home> wrote in message
>>> news:3vKdnVTB34-61t7XnZ2dnUVZ8opi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>> Kráftéé wrote:
>>>>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>>>>> "Alan" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:AtSTnMGj7pQKFwgC@amac.f2s.com
>>>>>>> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds
>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched
>>>>>>>> off: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>> <snip>
>>>> This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I
>>>> receive
>>>> it in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to
>>>> the
>>>> radio in a car).
>>>> JN
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
>>> dongle, 5 quid per month.
>>
>> I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also
>> over
>> vast areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)
>>
>>
> I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
> Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical
> (setting up laptop and mobile in my car before setting off each
> morning ).
If you're refering to what I wrote about Internet radio, I'm pretty
sure I didn't mention in-car, so I didn't say it's the holy grail for
everywhere.
> To have decent programmes usually requires a reasonable investment
> in
> talent and I don't see how tiny internet stations can achieve this
> without a mass market.
Why does a radio station always need to have DJs or individual
programmes? Internet radio is excellent for people who like genres of
music that are poorly covered on bigger radio stations - and there's a
lot of different genres taht are covered poorly.
> As far as I can see the more stations we have the
> worse the material on offer. DTV seems to be a good example, I'm
> often
> seeing the same programmes on that I watched in the 1960/70's.
>
> Most current commercial radio stations are fairly dire, usually
> playing
> almost continuous music or having intentionally provocative
> presenters
> to generate revenue from phone ins.
Commercial radio is also obviouosly profit-oriented so they play music
that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Small Internet radio
stations aren't in it for the profit, and they're in it to play the
music they like.
--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM
"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report
Roderick Stewart wrote:
> In article <kq2dndgX_qWSPd7XnZ2dnUVZ8lmdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk >, Jn wrote:
>>>> I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
>>>> dongle, 5 quid per month.
>>> I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also over
> vast
>>> areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)
>>>
>>>
>> I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
>> Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical
>
> What's impractical today will be commonplace tomorrow if enough people want it,
> or if somebody sees a marketing possibility. A 3G internet car radio with a
> reasonable number of presets doesn't need us to invent anything new - just to
> extend and reconfigure what we've already got. With literally thousands of
> radio stations, everybody can have their choice of quality or quantity.
>
> Rod.
You'll probably find someone has already a patent out on the idea.
Watching the IT press there appears to be companies out there who just
patent everything they can think of so they can sue any successful
product producer.
I don't personally believe there would be enough people who want this
unless you can have some killer content/facility (just having thousands
of music/talk stations isn't that attractive). But then people do seem
willing to part with around £50/month for satellite services so I could
well be wrong, again.
"Bill Wright" <insertmybusinessname@f2s.com> wrote in message
news:dMKdnVt8W82-X97XnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Andy Dee" <notme@honest.gov> wrote in message
> news:SYL0m.4944$4r7.3624@newsfe24.ams2...
>> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>>
>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>>
>>> Please sign. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>> <mad>
>> So why do we need the American spelling "Analog" in this petition?
>>
>> PLEASE why can't we remain British and use ENGLISH in this country....
>> </mad>
>> A
> I'm afraid the Times spells it 'analog'.
>
> Bill
>
Personally I don't give a f**k how it's spelled (spelt?) - the whole point
is that I have a serious investment in FM radio in my life and I don't want
to have to scrap it at someone else's whim. Telly converters are one
thing - telly's tend to be fixed objects in our lives. All my radios, bar
one, are portable devices. One is even a wind-up jobbie that I intend to
save the planet with (sic.) and I sure as hell don't want to have to consign
all of these very efficient and perfectly satisfactory units to the skip
unless they cease to work (internally) - unless, of course, HM Govt. would
like to replace them all (at their expense) with the DAB equivalents (most
of which don't friggin' work without an external aerial at present). If
they want to do that I'll be happy to withdraw my sig. from the petition.
In article <LyRiv+Q1F1QKFwgY@g3ohx.demon.co.uk>, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVET HISjackson@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
>In message <r4I5AhJbM0QKFwUU@bancom.co.uk>, tony sayer
><tony@bancom.co.uk> writes
>>In article <CQIA3QFTXyQKFwTk@g3ohx.demon.co.uk>, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVET
>>HISjackson@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>>In message <W6SdnfohqtaJAt_XnZ2dnUVZ8l6dnZ2d@bt.com>, Kráftéé
>>><kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk> writes
>>>>Jimbo GM4DHJ .... wrote:
>>>>| "DAB sounds worse than FM" <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote in message
>>>>| news:7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>|| There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>>>||
>>>>|| http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>>>||
>>>>|| Please sign. Thanks.
>>>>||
>>>>||
>>>>| cool thanks ......
>>>>
>>>>Maybe some more bandwidth to play with.......Naah I doubt it (it'll be
>>>>sold to the highest bidder)
>>>>
>>>Who IS going to buy that part of the spectrum? There's not a lot of
>>>activity between (say) 30 and 87MHz at the moment, so I don't think that
>>>there will be as great a demand for the FM radio spectrum as some people
>>>think.
>>
>>There are tracts of spectrum from around 30 to 87 MHz that are hardly
>>used as no one wants them;!...
>
>Offhand, I'm not sure what one might expect to find. Old FM cordless
>phones 30 to 33MHz. IF region 33 to 40MHz 'protected'. Some radio
>control around 49MHz (?), plus old toy walkie talkies and baby alarms.
>Amateur 50 to 52MHz. There used to be a blind landing system on 75MHz.
>Some council, gas and electricity board stuff around 80Mhz?
All gone now to phones;(..
>OK, all of
>the spectrum will be allocated, but the actual usage is very low.
>
Vert very low..
>Of course, one of the problems with these relatively low frequencies is
>the size of the aerial, especially for handheld portable use (even if
>loading is used). And, there's also a severe problem with sporadic-E
>interference - especially around this time of year. It is not without
>good reason that, some time ago, Band 1 was abandoned for TV
>transmissions in many European countries.
Interference needed be that much a problem and aerial size .. well you
can get around that..
--
Tony Sayer
In article <Ytadnajofv-ZWd7XnZ2dnUVZ8qSdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Ian
Smith <news0807REMOVECAPS@orrery.e4ward.com> scribeth thus
>jasee wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> In message <7afjm6F1vb133U1@mid.individual.net>, DAB sounds worse than
>>> FM <dab.is@fooked.com> wrote
>>>> There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
>>>>
>>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
>>>
>>> Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us getting
>>> hundreds of radio stations on DAB?
>>
>> Why would it do that?
>> How many more rubbish radio stations (at lower quality than FM) do you want
>> anyway?
>>
>>
>
>I have a good tuner and the sound on DAB is fine. Better by far than
>the hissy FM I used to get, even with a very good external FM
>aerial. I gave my FM tuner away.
I had a DAB tuner too but I swapped mine for a laptop, which was an item
of some use..
> Telly converters are one
> thing - telly's tend to be fixed objects in our lives. All my
> radios, bar one, are portable devices
Speaking of that, are there any digital portables with
rabbit ears or wire loop aerials around yet?
Or do all our existing portables, beloved of students,
nurses, and flat dwellers have to go to landfill as
well?
Just so our crap government can sell of the spectrum,
whilst we get yet another stealth tax from the fat cat
at the top of the s**t pile.
> <mad>
> So why do we need the American spelling "Analog" in this petition?
>
> PLEASE why can't we remain British and use ENGLISH in this country....
> </mad>
English as she is spoke.
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