"Peter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> http://www2.orange.co.uk/servlet/Sat...=1096023563451
> says:
> "Sorry, this is no longer available to new customers"
>
> Any hints?? Can I get that service on voda or O2?
> Thanks,
> P.
>
>
Nope only the 1800MHz PCN networks had L2,
and T Mobile dropped it went they took over 121
You might be able to transfer an existing contract with L2
try asking on uk.adverts.telecom.mobile if anyone has one for sale?
But i wouldn't expect FT Orange to allow you to keep L2
if you tried to upgrade the tariff
Umm... If you need two numbers on one phone, you could
get a Three Skype phone, pay Skype for an incoming number
and leave Skype on?
"Steve Terry" <gfourwwk@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> "Peter" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:7k8km9F38vprvU2@mid.dfncis.de...
>> http://www2.orange.co.uk/servlet/Sat...=1096023563451
>> says:
> Umm... If you need two numbers on one phone, you could
> get a Three Skype phone, pay Skype for an incoming number
> and leave Skype on?
> Steve Terry
>
BTW a Skype online number is 57.50 inc Euro per year
or half that if you take out a monthly subscription, cheapest being
unlimited country (UK, or another country if you like) landlines
at 4.54 inc Euro per month.
It includes voicemail and outgoing caller id
Skype services aren't the cheapest for VOIP,
but Three's free Skype make up for that.
"Paul Cummins" <paulcummins@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20091022191613.2740E@cix.co.uk...
> In article <hbo7lv$5f7$1@news.eternal-september.org>, gfourwwk@tesco.net
> (Steve Terry) wrote:
>
>> Nope only the 1800MHz PCN networks had L2,
>> and T Mobile dropped it went they took over 121
>
> Don't remember one2one ever having/offering it
>
>
121 offered a cut down L2 incoming only service,
although the PCN spec allowed full L2.
"Paul Cummins" <paulcummins@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20091022224626.536A@cix.co.uk...
> In article <hbqj92$qbb$1@news.eternal-september.org>, gfourwwk@tesco.net
> (Steve Terry) wrote:
>
>> 121 offered a cut down L2 incoming only service,
>> although the PCN spec allowed full L2.
>
> The PCN(GSM1800) and GSM(GSM900) specs are now identical,
> aren't they, barring frequency?
> Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
>
>
If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
as Voda have now done with voicemail
If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
> If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
> as Voda have now done with voicemail
>
> If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
> to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
>
> Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
> though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
"Paul Cummins" <paulcummins@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20091022191613.2740E@cix.co.uk...
> In article <hbo7lv$5f7$1@news.eternal-september.org>, gfourwwk@tesco.net
> (Steve Terry) wrote:
>
>> Nope only the 1800MHz PCN networks had L2,
>> and T Mobile dropped it went they took over 121
>
> Don't remember one2one ever having/offering it
>
Think it was called "Precept", they also offered 0800 numbers at the time.
"Lars Homestead" <lars.homestead@sky.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Paul Cummins" <paulcummins@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:memo.20091022191613.2740E@cix.co.uk...
>> In article <hbo7lv$5f7$1@news.eternal-september.org>, gfourwwk@tesco.net
>> (Steve Terry) wrote:
>>
>>> Nope only the 1800MHz PCN networks had L2,
>>> and T Mobile dropped it went they took over 121
>>
>> Don't remember one2one ever having/offering it
>>
>
> Think it was called "Precept", they also offered 0800 numbers at the time.
>
"Priority line
Precept introduces a new service that lets you prioritise calls. In addition
to your main line, you get a second priority line number - give it only to
selected contacts,
and they'll be able to get through to you even when you're sending calls on
your main line number to voicemail."
In article <hbsafb$ssq$1@news.albasani.net>, lars.homestead@sky.com (Lars
Homestead) wrote:
> > Think it was called "Precept", they also offered 0800 numbers at
> > the time.
> >
>
> Just found this describing the Precept service:
> http://www.wherewordswork.com/comms1212.htm
I love this quote - "Get One 2 One’s Precept service and you benefit from
a GSM 1800 digital network, with greater call capacity per customer than
any other UK mobile network..."
IOW, we are the network with the least customers, please defect, oh
please...
A bit like Three right now (the network wrecked by the 'Mobile Internet')
--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
"Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
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> Steve Terry wrote:
>
>> If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
>> as Voda have now done with voicemail
>>
>> If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
>> to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
>>
>> Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
>> though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
>
> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
> Adrian C
>
>
FT Orange had a brief go with PTT a couple of years ago to business users,
but if GSM Pro had been introduced here 10 years ago, there wouldn't
have been any need for PTT 8 years later.
"Paul Cummins" <paulcummins@cix.co.uk> wrote in message
news:memo.20091023212727.3724H@cix.co.uk...
> In article <hbsafb$ssq$1@news.albasani.net>, lars.homestead@sky.com (Lars
> Homestead) wrote:
>
>> > Think it was called "Precept", they also offered 0800 numbers at
>> > the time.
>>
>> Just found this describing the Precept service:
>> http://www.wherewordswork.com/comms1212.htm
>
> I love this quote - "Get One 2 One's Precept service and you benefit from
> a GSM 1800 digital network, with greater call capacity per customer than
> any other UK mobile network..."
>
Until Orange started a few months later
>
> IOW, we are the network with the least customers, please defect, oh
> please...
>
Again that'd be FT Orange
>
> A bit like Three right now (the network wrecked by the 'Mobile Internet')
> Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
>
>
Both Voice and Data work fine for me on Three
Steve Terry wrote:
> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7kdkjgF39tvu7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>
>>> If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
>>> as Voda have now done with voicemail
>>>
>>> If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
>>> to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
>>>
>>> Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
>>> though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
>> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
>> Adrian C
>>
>>
> FT Orange had a brief go with PTT a couple of years ago to business users,
> but if GSM Pro had been introduced here 10 years ago, there wouldn't
> have been any need for PTT 8 years later.
>
> Nor 400MHz Tetra for the emergency services
Not quite. GSM doesn't offer a number of things that parts of the
emergency services need.
"Rupert Moss-Eccardt" <r.moss-eccardt@computer.org> wrote in message
news:J4BEm.93460$Rj7.82316@newsfe28.ams2...
> Steve Terry wrote:
>> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:7kdkjgF39tvu7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>>
>>>> If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
>>>> as Voda have now done with voicemail
>>>>
>>>> If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
>>>> to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
>>>>
>>>> Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
>>>> though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
>>> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
>>> Adrian C
>>>
>>>
>> FT Orange had a brief go with PTT a couple of years ago to business
>> users,
>> but if GSM Pro had been introduced here 10 years ago, there wouldn't
>> have been any need for PTT 8 years later.
>>
>> Nor 400MHz Tetra for the emergency services
>
> Not quite. GSM doesn't offer a number of things that parts of the
> emergency services need.
>
>
Tetra Airwaves offers less coverage than GSM Pro, which do you think the
police meed most, coverage or higher data rates?
Steve Terry wrote:
> "Rupert Moss-Eccardt" <r.moss-eccardt@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:J4BEm.93460$Rj7.82316@newsfe28.ams2...
>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:7kdkjgF39tvu7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
>>>>> as Voda have now done with voicemail
>>>>>
>>>>> If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
>>>>> to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
>>>>> though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
>>>> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
>>>> Adrian C
>>>>
>>>>
>>> FT Orange had a brief go with PTT a couple of years ago to business
>>> users,
>>> but if GSM Pro had been introduced here 10 years ago, there wouldn't
>>> have been any need for PTT 8 years later.
>>>
>>> Nor 400MHz Tetra for the emergency services
>> Not quite. GSM doesn't offer a number of things that parts of the
>> emergency services need.
>>
>>
> Tetra Airwaves offers less coverage than GSM Pro, which do you think the
> police meed most, coverage or higher data rates?
Although a handset Tetra can act as a mobile data terminal, what I was
alluding to things like the privacy (in the strict, technical sense) of
the call and the ability to do point to point calls (without a
basestation being involved). The ability for the customer to stun and
kill handsets is also helpful.
Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.mobile Job Justification Hearings, Adrian C chose
the tried and tested strategy of:
> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
Why do you say that? I've used PTT and I thought it was great. I've got
customers who want PTT. It's a shame that we've got five mobile networks, yet
they don't seem to compete on features.
--
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alexd wrote:
> Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.mobile Job Justification Hearings, Adrian C chose
> the tried and tested strategy of:
>
>> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
>
> Why do you say that? I've used PTT and I thought it was great. I've got
> customers who want PTT. It's a shame that we've got five mobile networks, yet
> they don't seem to compete on features.
>
In our part of London, we've got loud unruly mostly black schoolage kids
that infest the bus services at going home time and make travelling
comfort pure hell for other passengers. It's bad enough with ringtones
and MP3s played loud out of their handsets. If PTT was added to that mix
then there would be even more screaming going on with their immature banter.
"Rupert Moss-Eccardt" <r.moss-eccardt@computer.org> wrote in message
news:evUEm.109387$XR1.73255@newsfe26.ams2...
> Steve Terry wrote:
>> "Rupert Moss-Eccardt" <r.moss-eccardt@computer.org> wrote in message
>> news:J4BEm.93460$Rj7.82316@newsfe28.ams2...
>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>>> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:7kdkjgF39tvu7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
>>>>>> as Voda have now done with voicemail
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
>>>>>> to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
>>>>>> though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
>>>>> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
>>>>> Adrian C
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> FT Orange had a brief go with PTT a couple of years ago to business
>>>> users,
>>>> but if GSM Pro had been introduced here 10 years ago, there wouldn't
>>>> have been any need for PTT 8 years later.
>>>>
>>>> Nor 400MHz Tetra for the emergency services
>>> Not quite. GSM doesn't offer a number of things that parts of the
>>> emergency services need.
>>>
>>>
>> Tetra Airwaves offers less coverage than GSM Pro, which do you think the
>> police meed most, coverage or higher data rates?
>
> Although a handset Tetra can act as a mobile data terminal, what I was
> alluding to things like the privacy (in the strict, technical sense) of
> the call and the ability to do point to point calls (without a basestation
> being involved). The ability for the customer to stun and kill handsets
> is also helpful.
>
>
GSM Pro is secure and extra encoding can be added if required
Steve Terry wrote:
> "Rupert Moss-Eccardt" <r.moss-eccardt@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:evUEm.109387$XR1.73255@newsfe26.ams2...
>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>> "Rupert Moss-Eccardt" <r.moss-eccardt@computer.org> wrote in message
>>> news:J4BEm.93460$Rj7.82316@newsfe28.ams2...
>>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>>>> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7kdkjgF39tvu7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a GSM networks wants to implement parts of the PCN spec,
>>>>>>> as Voda have now done with voicemail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they wanted any of them could get permission from Ofcom
>>>>>>> to implement L2 or even GSM Pro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems none are willing to provide additional services, even
>>>>>>> though Hans Snook proved it was a winning formula with Orange
>>>>>> Thankfully nobody's implementing PTT here...
>>>>>> Adrian C
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> FT Orange had a brief go with PTT a couple of years ago to business
>>>>> users,
>>>>> but if GSM Pro had been introduced here 10 years ago, there wouldn't
>>>>> have been any need for PTT 8 years later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor 400MHz Tetra for the emergency services
>>>> Not quite. GSM doesn't offer a number of things that parts of the
>>>> emergency services need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Tetra Airwaves offers less coverage than GSM Pro, which do you think the
>>> police meed most, coverage or higher data rates?
>> Although a handset Tetra can act as a mobile data terminal, what I was
>> alluding to things like the privacy (in the strict, technical sense) of
>> the call and the ability to do point to point calls (without a basestation
>> being involved). The ability for the customer to stun and kill handsets
>> is also helpful.
>>
>>
> GSM Pro is secure and extra encoding can be added if required
Could you explain what GSM Pro has that stops the W&G-type kit
intercepting and also how to avoid the fake basestation problem.
I'm not aware of GSM Pro getting any accreditation. Can you point me at
something or at least reference it, if it isn't Internet suitable?
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