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Old 11-24-2007, 08:57 PM
Calum
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chris.holland07@gmail.com wrote:

> 26,000 activations -
> hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah aha


I certainly wouldn't mind raking in 26,000 * 899 in the space of a
fortnight.

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Old 11-24-2007, 10:03 PM
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com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam declared for all the world to hear...
> chris.holland07@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > 26,000 activations -
> > hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah aha

>
> I certainly wouldn't mind raking in 26,000 * 899 in the space of a
> fortnight.


It's a very poor sales number for such a highly touted device. Interest
will now tail off.
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Old 11-24-2007, 10:48 PM
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Jon wrote:
> com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam declared for all the world to hear...
>> chris.holland07@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> 26,000 activations -
>>> hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah aha

>> I certainly wouldn't mind raking in 26,000 * 899 in the space of a
>> fortnight.

>
> It's a very poor sales number for such a highly touted device. Interest
> will now tail off.


Either that, or it will take off when they knock 200 off the price like
they did in the States. If I had any wish to own an iPhone, I certainly
wouldn't have bought it this early.

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Old 11-25-2007, 05:16 PM
R. Mark Clayton
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"Calum" <com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote in message
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> Jon wrote:
>> com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam declared for all the world to hear...
>>> chris.holland07@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> 26,000 activations -
>>>> hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah aha
>>> I certainly wouldn't mind raking in 26,000 * 899 in the space of a
>>> fortnight.

>>
>> It's a very poor sales number for such a highly touted device. Interest
>> will now tail off.

>
> Either that, or it will take off when they knock 200 off the price like
> they did in the States. If I had any wish to own an iPhone, I certainly
> wouldn't have bought it this early.



It is the HP35 effect.

Hewlett Packard introduced the HP 35 pocket calculator in 1972. It replaced
the HP 9100A desktop calculator that cost $$$$.

Initially it was 600, but fell to 200 within 18 months. It had good
accuracy, full scientific functions, LED display and reasonable battery
life, but to put it into perspective cost about half the annual grant for a
physics undergraduate at the time (so I didn't buy one)..

Nowadays you can buy one with greater accuracy, looong battery life, more
functions (including hex, stats etc.) in the pound shop.

Similarly the first true pocket phones (Technofone Mk1) cost 2,000 + VAT
from Excel in 1986, and I did buy one. These days you can get a SIM free
mobile phone with similar basic+ functionality for ~20.

Why Apple thinks it hype the market with an underspec, overweight, over
priced and locked phone when there are plenty that are better, cheaper and
less restricted on the market beggars belief. Hopefully once they have sold
up in their captive and fan based market it will literally beggar them.
Apple were getting punished in the PC market until they came up with the
iPod, which did have a slight edge until all the MP3 players caught up, why
they think they can capture a mass market with an inferior and more
expensive product is a mystery.



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Old 11-25-2007, 05:39 PM
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"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Calum" <com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote in message
> news:fia9nn$km6$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> Jon wrote:
>>> com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam declared for all the world to hear...
>>>> chris.holland07@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 26,000 activations -
>>>>> hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah aha
>>>> I certainly wouldn't mind raking in 26,000 * 899 in the space of a
>>>> fortnight.
>>>
>>> It's a very poor sales number for such a highly touted device. Interest
>>> will now tail off.

>>
>> Either that, or it will take off when they knock 200 off the price like
>> they did in the States. If I had any wish to own an iPhone, I certainly
>> wouldn't have bought it this early.

>
>
> It is the HP35 effect.
>
> Hewlett Packard introduced the HP 35 pocket calculator in 1972. It
> replaced the HP 9100A desktop calculator that cost $$$$.
>
> Initially it was 600, but fell to 200 within 18 months. It had good
> accuracy, full scientific functions, LED display and reasonable battery
> life, but to put it into perspective cost about half the annual grant for
> a physics undergraduate at the time (so I didn't buy one)..
>
> Nowadays you can buy one with greater accuracy, looong battery life, more
> functions (including hex, stats etc.) in the pound shop.
>
> Similarly the first true pocket phones (Technofone Mk1) cost 2,000 + VAT
> from Excel in 1986, and I did buy one. These days you can get a SIM free
> mobile phone with similar basic+ functionality for ~20.
>
> Why Apple thinks it hype the market with an underspec, overweight, over
> priced and locked phone when there are plenty that are better, cheaper and
> less restricted on the market beggars belief. Hopefully once they have
> sold up in their captive and fan based market it will literally beggar
> them. Apple were getting punished in the PC market until they came up with
> the iPod, which did have a slight edge until all the MP3 players caught
> up, why they think they can capture a mass market with an inferior and
> more expensive product is a mystery.
>


with style...........other mobile phones HAVE become boring.

well done Apple for sticking your neck out.



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Old 11-25-2007, 05:47 PM
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In article <dLidnRZoQ7ptMNTanZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@bt.com>,
R. Mark Clayton <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:

>Why Apple thinks it hype the market with an underspec, overweight, over
>priced and locked phone when there are plenty that are better, cheaper and
>less restricted on the market beggars belief.


I think it's because they have a

>captive and fan based market


They do seem to be pushing it a bit too far even for the fans
recently: viz the rebate for US iPhone purchasers after the outrage
when they cut the price.

-- Richard
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Old 11-25-2007, 07:01 PM
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"Richard Tobin" <richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:ficcen$tmu$3@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
> In article <dLidnRZoQ7ptMNTanZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@bt.com>,
> R. Mark Clayton <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>Why Apple thinks it hype the market with an underspec, overweight, over
>>priced and locked phone when there are plenty that are better, cheaper and
>>less restricted on the market beggars belief.

>
> I think it's because they have a
>
>>captive and fan based market

>
> They do seem to be pushing it a bit too far even for the fans
> recently: viz the rebate for US iPhone purchasers after the outrage
> when they cut the price.
>


But it wasn't a rebate, it was just a $100 voucher and with limitations.


> -- Richard
> --
> "Consideration shall be given to the need for as many as 32 characters
> in some alphabets" - X3.4, 1963.





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Old 11-28-2007, 01:45 PM
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"Fergus" <The@Catbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:dLidnRZoQ7ptMNTanZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Calum" <com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:fia9nn$km6$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>>> Jon wrote:
>>>> com.gmail@scottishwildcat.nospam declared for all the world to hear...
>>>>> chris.holland07@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 26,000 activations -
>>>>>> hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahah aha
>>>>> I certainly wouldn't mind raking in 26,000 * 899 in the space of a
>>>>> fortnight.
>>>>
>>>> It's a very poor sales number for such a highly touted device. Interest
>>>> will now tail off.
>>>
>>> Either that, or it will take off when they knock 200 off the price like
>>> they did in the States. If I had any wish to own an iPhone, I certainly
>>> wouldn't have bought it this early.

>>
>>
>> It is the HP35 effect.
>>
>> Hewlett Packard introduced the HP 35 pocket calculator in 1972. It
>> replaced the HP 9100A desktop calculator that cost $$$$.
>>
>> Initially it was 600, but fell to 200 within 18 months. It had good
>> accuracy, full scientific functions, LED display and reasonable battery
>> life, but to put it into perspective cost about half the annual grant for
>> a physics undergraduate at the time (so I didn't buy one)..
>>
>> Nowadays you can buy one with greater accuracy, looong battery life, more
>> functions (including hex, stats etc.) in the pound shop.
>>
>> Similarly the first true pocket phones (Technofone Mk1) cost 2,000 + VAT
>> from Excel in 1986, and I did buy one. These days you can get a SIM free
>> mobile phone with similar basic+ functionality for ~20.
>>
>> Why Apple thinks it hype the market with an underspec, overweight, over
>> priced and locked phone when there are plenty that are better, cheaper
>> and less restricted on the market beggars belief. Hopefully once they
>> have sold up in their captive and fan based market it will literally
>> beggar them. Apple were getting punished in the PC market until they came
>> up with the iPod, which did have a slight edge until all the MP3 players
>> caught up, why they think they can capture a mass market with an inferior
>> and more expensive product is a mystery.
>>

>
> with style...........other mobile phones HAVE become boring.
>
> well done Apple for sticking your neck out.


And there was a massive gap in the market for someone to bring out a phone
with a good intuitive interface. You may not agree that Apple have hit the
target but surely anyone would agree that virtually all current mobile
phones have ridiculously bad UIs, even for achieving simple things.

Apple is also exploiting the power of the brand, just as Gucci does when it
sells a women's handbag for 750.



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Old 11-28-2007, 04:44 PM
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In article <Lhe3j.120293$bj2.46895@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
MichaelJP <mjp@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>And there was a massive gap in the market for someone to bring out a phone
>with a good intuitive interface.


Agreed, and the iPhone should up the game. My own view is that what
Apple have done, however, is brought out a good intuitive interface
with a phone, rather than the other way round, so there's a choice -
decent phone, clunky interface, or decent interface, feature-poor
phone.


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Old 11-28-2007, 06:02 PM
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Sarah Brown <sarahlizzy@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:

> Agreed, and the iPhone should up the game. My own view is that what
> Apple have done, however, is brought out a good intuitive interface
> with a phone, rather than the other way round, so there's a choice -
> decent phone, clunky interface, or decent interface, feature-poor
> phone.


For most phone users, the interface is the only thing that really
counts. The bells and whistles are secondary. I say 'most users', but of
course there are some for whom the bells and whistles really count. They
won't get an iPhone. More important right now is the price. I reckon
Apple wre going to have to learn more about the market, but I'm sure
they will.

And who knows, maybe they're right? In which case they clean up.
Otherwise, they learn.
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:30 PM
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In article <1i8av8k.1dzzkhdav16l9N%peter@cara.demon.co.uk>,
Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Sarah Brown <sarahlizzy@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, and the iPhone should up the game. My own view is that what
>> Apple have done, however, is brought out a good intuitive interface
>> with a phone, rather than the other way round, so there's a choice -
>> decent phone, clunky interface, or decent interface, feature-poor
>> phone.

>
>For most phone users, the interface is the only thing that really
>counts.


The enduring popularity of Nokia phones (just got my first - still
occasionally swearing at the interface) and Windows machines does
rather suggest otherwise...

> The bells and whistles are secondary. I say 'most users', but of
>course there are some for whom the bells and whistles really count.


For a large segment of the market (thinking of teenagers), things like
video recording and picture message support probably count as basic
features rather than bells and whistles.

>Apple wre going to have to learn more about the market, but I'm sure
>they will.


I guess they're hobbled a bit by US-centric thinking, which is a bit
pathological when it comes to mobile phones. I'm less optimistic about
the certainty of them learning the right lessons that you seem to be,
but time will tell. I hope they do learn lessons, or failing that,
everyone else learns lessons about UI stuff from it. I'd *love* to
have a phone that works like my iPod Touch does, but the iPhone fails
on several basic requirements in my case (no modem facility is the
real killer).

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Old 11-28-2007, 09:12 PM
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>
> For most phone users, the interface is the only thing that really
> counts. The bells and whistles are secondary. I say 'most users', but of
> course there are some for whom the bells and whistles really count. They
> won't get an iPhone. More important right now is the price. I reckon
> Apple wre going to have to learn more about the market, but I'm sure
> they will.


MMS included in 'Bells & Whistles' ??? These are *basic* features that
nearly all phones (even bottom of the range) have.
Also, how many times do you see people meeting in the street, with something
they'd like to share on their phone. -
"Hang on, switch you're bluetooth on, and I'll send it to you.... Oh,
sorry..... I can't. I have an iPhone......."

I cannot *believe* such BASIC features are not on the iPhone......



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Old 11-28-2007, 10:12 PM
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In message <gci025-8de.ln1@narcissus.dyndns.org>
Sarah Brown <sarahlizzy@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:

> In article <Lhe3j.120293$bj2.46895@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
> MichaelJP <mjp@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > And there was a massive gap in the market for someone to bring out a
> > phone with a good intuitive interface.

>
> Agreed, and the iPhone should up the game. My own view is that what
> Apple have done, however, is brought out a good intuitive interface
> with a phone, rather than the other way round, so there's a choice -
> decent phone, clunky interface, or decent interface, feature-poor
> phone.


So, how good is the iPhone's UI for texting?

Dave

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Old 11-28-2007, 10:39 PM
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Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

[snip]
> So, how good is the iPhone's UI for texting?


I think it's excellent. I've now got used to the virtual keyboard and
the autocomplete feature and can send a text way faster than on any
phone I've owned. Only phones with real qwerty keyboards are faster for
me. The conversations appearing as they do in iChat is good too for the
way I use text messaging.

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Old 11-28-2007, 10:39 PM
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Matthew Long <no_sp@m.net> wrote:

[snip]
> MMS included in 'Bells & Whistles' ??? These are *basic* features that
> nearly all phones (even bottom of the range) have.
> Also, how many times do you see people meeting in the street, with something
> they'd like to share on their phone. -
> "Hang on, switch you're bluetooth on, and I'll send it to you.... Oh,
> sorry..... I can't. I have an iPhone......."
>
> I cannot *believe* such BASIC features are not on the iPhone......


They may be considered basic features but they aren't features I use so
their exclusion is irrelevant to me.

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Old 11-28-2007, 11:34 PM
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In article
> > > And there was a massive gap in the market for someone to bring out a
> > > phone with a good intuitive interface.

> >
> > Agreed, and the iPhone should up the game. My own view is that what
> > Apple have done, however, is brought out a good intuitive interface
> > with a phone, rather than the other way round, so there's a choice -
> > decent phone, clunky interface, or decent interface, feature-poor
> > phone.

>
> So, how good is the iPhone's UI for texting?
>
> Dave


I think the predictive texting is far and away the best I have ever used
on a phone. You can be very imprecise and type almost every letter wrong
on some words and it still works out what you were trying to say.

The supposed back to back tests of the keyboard compared to other phones
in the US recently were crap as they just had the users entering random
letters and not proper words. Had it been real sentences then the iPhone
would have won easily.

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Old 11-29-2007, 12:05 AM
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Andy Fraser <andyfraser31@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Matthew Long <no_sp@m.net> wrote:


> > I cannot *believe* such BASIC features are not on the iPhone......

>
> They may be considered basic features but they aren't features I use so
> their exclusion is irrelevant to me.


I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
*everybody* uses the whizzy UI.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:58 PM
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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk>:
> Andy Fraser <andyfraser31@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Matthew Long <no_sp@m.net> wrote:
>> > I cannot *believe* such BASIC features are not on the iPhone......

>>
>> They may be considered basic features but they aren't features I use so
>> their exclusion is irrelevant to me.

>
> I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
> *everybody* uses the whizzy UI.


I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.

I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.
I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was, in
fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).

b.

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Old 11-29-2007, 01:53 PM
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:58:35 +0000, Ben Shimmin wrote
>
>> I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
>> *everybody* uses the whizzy UI.

>
> I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.
>
> I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.


I couldn't have a phone without Bluetooth - mine is used continually for the
following purposes:

- Connecting to Mac to notify of incoming calls/managing texts (using BPE)
- Connecting to car kit
- Auto-syncing calendar and contacts with Exchange server


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Old 11-29-2007, 02:22 PM
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Stimpy <stimpy1997uk@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
> >> *everybody* uses the whizzy UI.

> >
> > I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.
> >
> > I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.

>
> I couldn't have a phone without Bluetooth - mine is used continually for the
> following purposes:
>
> - Connecting to Mac to notify of incoming calls/managing texts (using BPE)
> - Connecting to car kit
> - Auto-syncing calendar and contacts with Exchange server


I think you've just amplified and proved my point...
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:41 PM
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Ben Shimmin wrote:

> I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.
>
> I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.
> I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was, in
> fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).


I use Bluetooth to send files quite often. I am not a teenager. I also
use MMS a lot.

iPhone UI - excellent. Best phone for SMS I have used, bar the lack of
forwarding/address book (cut and paste would make forwarding possible,
of course). Mine is jailbroken/activated on PayG O2 because I wanted the
toy, but thought the contract exceptionally poor value compared to my
T-Mobile one. As soon as an unlock mechanism is available, I'll be
getting an iPhone to replace my Ameo and the Ameo will be relegated to
the "does everything, but not too well" pile of WM devices.

Richard

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Old 11-29-2007, 03:16 PM
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I am an old fogy with a long term commitment to a cell phone provider
which isn't favored by Apple.

Besides picking up my phone in the morning and plugging it back in, in
the evening - the most common thing I do with my phone is delete
pictures taken of the inside of my pocket.

I used my camera once - to take a picture of my face as an aid to
identifying me if the phone was lost. I'm not going to pay an extra
monthly fee to copy these low-quality photos. But my phone has a
button on the outside that takes pictures. I will be sitting at my
desk and hear the camera go off - with my camera in my pocket.

I basically have a cell phone because my wife probably would be dead
if it weren't for a fast call to the emergency room from a driver with
a cell phone. I owe big time.

I have a full iPod, and would like to upgrade it to a bigger one - and
wouldn't mind if the bigger one had the touch/video features for the
movies my grandkids watch on it. I don't want to be connected to
the world all the time, although it would be nice if my iPod could
listen to AM radio. (I don't need music stations - I have my own
music).

So if an iPhone was available for me and I bought one - I'd have a fun
toy to play with, and I'd either have to carry less media around or
keep my iPod. Someday I'd probably use mapquest to find a
restaurant in a strange city.

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Old 11-29-2007, 03:39 PM
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:22:23 +0000, Peter Ceresole wrote
>
>> I couldn't have a phone without Bluetooth - mine is used continually for the
>> following purposes:
>>
>> - Connecting to Mac to notify of incoming calls/managing texts (using BPE)
>> - Connecting to car kit
>> - Auto-syncing calendar and contacts with Exchange server

>
> I think you've just amplified and proved my point...


HTH. The lack of 'proper' Bluetooth is the major stumbling block to me not
getting an iPhone


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Old 11-29-2007, 05:05 PM
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In article <slrn.2007-11-29.12-55-52@cunegonde.bas.me.uk>, Ben Shimmin
<bas@llamaselector.com> wrote:

> I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.
> I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was, in
> fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).


I use Bluetooth from time to time to move wallpaper, ringtones, and
pictures taken by the phone. It saves wear and tear on the mini-USB
connector.

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Old 11-29-2007, 06:13 PM
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In article <291120070905177473%rag@nospam.techline.com>, Mr. Strat
<rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:

> In article <slrn.2007-11-29.12-55-52@cunegonde.bas.me.uk>, Ben Shimmin
> <bas@llamaselector.com> wrote:
>
> > I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.
> > I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was, in
> > fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).

>
> I use Bluetooth from time to time to move wallpaper, ringtones, and
> pictures taken by the phone. It saves wear and tear on the mini-USB
> connector.


And I also use it for connecting to my H700. Next year, our state will
outlaw hand-holding a cell phone while driving.

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Old 11-29-2007, 06:38 PM
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"Dave Higton" <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> In message <gci025-8de.ln1@narcissus.dyndns.org>
> Sarah Brown <sarahlizzy@ntlworld.no_uce_please.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Lhe3j.120293$bj2.46895@fe08.news.easynews.com>,
>> MichaelJP <mjp@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > And there was a massive gap in the market for someone to bring out a
>> > phone with a good intuitive interface.

>>
>> Agreed, and the iPhone should up the game. My own view is that what
>> Apple have done, however, is brought out a good intuitive interface
>> with a phone, rather than the other way round, so there's a choice -
>> decent phone, clunky interface, or decent interface, feature-poor
>> phone.

>
> So, how good is the iPhone's UI for texting?
>

It can't send the same text to multiple recipients...
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>> I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
>> *everybody* uses the whizzy UI.

>
> I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.
>
> I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.
> I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was, in
> fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).


Well, my teen years are long gone! Bluetooth file sharing is very useful for
all sorts of files! My point is, these are basic features that most phones
now have as standard, if you use them or not. The same with mms.
I would find these above features much more useful than 'visual voice mail'



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Old 11-29-2007, 09:10 PM
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In article <vEF3j.8455$8k2.6972@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>,
"Matthew Long" <no_sp@m.net> wrote:

> >> I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
> >> *everybody* uses the whizzy UI.

> >
> > I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.
> >
> > I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.
> > I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was, in
> > fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).

>
> Well, my teen years are long gone! Bluetooth file sharing is very useful for
> all sorts of files! My point is, these are basic features that most phones
> now have as standard, if you use them or not. The same with mms.
> I would find these above features much more useful than 'visual voice mail'


So how was I able to transfer an old ringtone from my previous phone to
my iPhone if BlueTooth wasn't working?

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Old 11-29-2007, 09:26 PM
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"Mike Edwards" <mike.edwards@rocksoft.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <vEF3j.8455$8k2.6972@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>,
> "Matthew Long" <no_sp@m.net> wrote:
>
>> >> I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
>> >> *everybody* uses the whizzy UI.
>> >
>> > I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.
>> >
>> > I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another
>> > mobile.
>> > I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was,
>> > in
>> > fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).

>>
>> Well, my teen years are long gone! Bluetooth file sharing is very useful
>> for
>> all sorts of files! My point is, these are basic features that most
>> phones
>> now have as standard, if you use them or not. The same with mms.
>> I would find these above features much more useful than 'visual voice
>> mail'

>
> So how was I able to transfer an old ringtone from my previous phone to
> my iPhone if BlueTooth wasn't working?


By using iDemocracy?




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Old 11-29-2007, 09:48 PM
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Matthew Long <no_sp@m.net> wrote:

> >> I suspect more users are like Andy than are like Matthew. Whereas
> >> *everybody* uses the whizzy UI.

> >
> > I agree. The UI is the best and most important thing about the iPhone.
> >
> > I have used Bluetooth all of once to receive a file from another mobile.
> > I think this sort of thing is quite common amongst teenagers (it was, in
> > fact, a teenager who sent me the file by Bluetooth).

>
> Well, my teen years are long gone! Bluetooth file sharing is very useful for
> all sorts of files! My point is, these are basic features that most phones
> now have as standard, if you use them or not. The same with mms.


I may be missing your point so feel free to put me straight. They may be
considered basic features but if I don't use them it's irrelevant
whether they're there or not.

> I would find these above features much more useful than 'visual voice mail'


I find visual voice mail very useful. As you'll have guessed by now I
find it more useful than MMS or Bluetooth file transfers. ;o)

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