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Old 06-15-2007, 07:11 PM
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Default Unlocking 3 Phones - can someone explain ?


Is it due to the 3G element ?

not sure why theres lots of adds for unlocking but they always say - wont
work on 3

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Old 06-15-2007, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: Unlocking 3 Phones - can someone explain ?

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:11:30 +0100, "june" <j@j.com> wrote:

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>Is it due to the 3G element ?
>
>not sure why theres lots of adds for unlocking but they always say - wont
>work on 3


3 just basterdise the software so you can't use it anywhere else on
their decent handsets.
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Old 06-15-2007, 10:43 PM
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Default Re: Unlocking 3 Phones - can someone explain ?

j@j.com declared for all the world to hear...
> Is it due to the 3G element ?


Is what due to the "3G element"?

> not sure why theres lots of adds for unlocking but they always say - wont
> work on 3


3 have a clause in their contracts which says that if you don't use a 3
handset they will cut you off. Is that what you are referring to?
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Old 06-15-2007, 10:59 PM
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Default Re: Unlocking 3 Phones - can someone explain ?


i mean - if you have a newish phone on 3 but then unlock it
and use it on Voda for example

but it looks loke you cant unsimlock their phones



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> j@j.com declared for all the world to hear...
>> Is it due to the 3G element ?

>
> Is what due to the "3G element"?
>
>> not sure why theres lots of adds for unlocking but they always say - wont
>> work on 3

>
> 3 have a clause in their contracts which says that if you don't use a 3
> handset they will cut you off. Is that what you are referring to?
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Old 06-15-2007, 11:17 PM
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"june" <j@j.com> wrote in message
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> i mean - if you have a newish phone on 3 but then unlock it
> and use it on Voda for example


Not a problem for many of them

> but it looks loke you cant unsimlock their phones


Yes you can, including most of the Nokia BB5 handsets.

The reason most unlockers include the clause is that there is always someone
that will send a non 3G handset in and then complain that it can't connect
to a 3G network after unlocking. If the handset doesn't support 3G
natively, then it won't after unlocking either.

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Old 06-15-2007, 11:42 PM
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ok - thanks

so its a non problem when done properly

have to admit- not well up on the old 3g "lark"


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> "june" <j@j.com> wrote in message
> news:ITDci.419868$JN6.23193@newsfe17.phx...
>>
>> i mean - if you have a newish phone on 3 but then unlock it
>> and use it on Voda for example

>
> Not a problem for many of them
>
>> but it looks loke you cant unsimlock their phones

>
> Yes you can, including most of the Nokia BB5 handsets.
>
> The reason most unlockers include the clause is that there is always
> someone that will send a non 3G handset in and then complain that it can't
> connect to a 3G network after unlocking. If the handset doesn't support
> 3G natively, then it won't after unlocking either.
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:18 AM
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j@j.com declared for all the world to hear...
> i mean - if you have a newish phone on 3 but then unlock it
> and use it on Voda for example


Right, now I'm with you.

> but it looks loke you cant unsimlock their phones


You can unlock them, however because they run customer 3 firmware on
many phones the network mode selection menu has been removed, which
means the phone is locked onto 3G networks only, and will constantly
hunt for a 3G signal even where there is none.
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Old 06-16-2007, 10:23 PM
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"june" <j@j.com> wrote in message
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> Is it due to the 3G element ?
>
> not sure why theres lots of adds for unlocking but they always say - wont
> work on 3


Bloody hell, is there so many numpties that don't know/understand the
problem with the "3" network.

Richard, with all your experience, I'm suprised at such a poor answer.

To the OP, you are spot on, it is totally down to the 3G element.

All unlocked phones (apart from very old phones) will work with a "3" sim
card. However "3" will not allow them to be used, so it is nothing to do
with the hardware, but all to do with "3" not allowing it.

1G is analogue
2G is first digital, 2.5G is better digital
3G is digital, sort of video phone type.


The "3" network only supports 3G and has to pay roaming to Orange if you are
on 2/2.5G, so they cut you off if you don't have a 3G handset due to lack of
revenue for them.

So unlocked phones work fine with a "3" sim except "3" would cut you off,
which is why they say unlocked to all networks except "3".



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Old 06-16-2007, 11:31 PM
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"Road_HogŪ" <Road_Hog@Road_Hog.com> wrote in message
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> "june" <j@j.com> wrote in message
> news:AxAci.383444$ZA5.112475@newsfe15.phx...
>>
>> Is it due to the 3G element ?
>>
>> not sure why theres lots of adds for unlocking but they always say - wont
>> work on 3

>
> Bloody hell, is there so many numpties that don't know/understand the
> problem with the "3" network.


And even more that confuse "3" the network with 3G.

> Richard, with all your experience, I'm suprised at such a poor answer.


Sorry, I thought it covered the basics though.

> To the OP, you are spot on, it is totally down to the 3G element.
>
> All unlocked phones (apart from very old phones) will work with a "3" sim
> card. However "3" will not allow them to be used, so it is nothing to do
> with the hardware, but all to do with "3" not allowing it.


Nope, I've got several phones here that simply won't accept a 3 sim card -
they range from old Nokia and Ericsson handsets to newer mainstream handsets
from Samsung and Motorola. In this case though, part of the issue is that
the handsets in question don't like uSIMs, but as they also don't support
GSM2100, it really doesn't make much difference.

> 1G is analogue
> 2G is first digital, 2.5G is better digital
> 3G is digital, sort of video phone type.


Simply put, but basically accurate.

> The "3" network only supports 3G and has to pay roaming to Orange if you
> are on 2/2.5G, so they cut you off if you don't have a 3G handset due to
> lack of revenue for them.
>
> So unlocked phones work fine with a "3" sim


No they don't. Some will, some won't.

> except "3" would cut you off,


Yep, and it's clearly stated by them.

> which is why they say unlocked to all networks except "3".


Partly.

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