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Old 12-12-2011, 06:50 AM
Lobster
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Default Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal. There seem
to be plenty of these available; other than the fact that in this case
she has a Blackberry, and the new contracts - mostly Orange - include
standard data packages and I'm aware that with Blackberries you need to
have a special Blackberry services addon.

What I need to know is if I take out a new contract with Orange, which
would come with a crappy throwaway or ebayable handset, then if we were
to use the SIM in the Blackberry would it be possible to ring up Orange
and simply ask them to add Blackberry services on to the contract?

Thanks
David

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Old 12-14-2011, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

On 2011-12-12, Lobster <davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
> usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal.


Cashback? Why, and how?

> There seem
> to be plenty of these available; other than the fact that in this case
> she has a Blackberry, and the new contracts - mostly Orange - include
> standard data packages and I'm aware that with Blackberries you need to
> have a special Blackberry services addon.


I think you'll need the Blackberry services included if you want to use
the proprietary Blackberry email system.

> What I need to know is if I take out a new contract with Orange, which
> would come with a crappy throwaway or ebayable handset, then if we were
> to use the SIM in the Blackberry


Why get a new handset at all if the old one is still going to be used?

If you want to change the phone number for some reason, the existing
provider may be able to do that without even changing the SIM.

Orange (and all/most other mobile service providers) offer 'SIM only'
deals, which naturally don't include a charge to recoup any subsidy on the
cost of a handset. It may be possible to convert the existing contract to
'SIM only' without changing anything elsa at all (apart from the running
costs).

> would it be possible to ring up Orange
> and simply ask them to add Blackberry services on to the contract?
>
> Thanks
> David


Ask Orange (and the present provider) before changing anything or spending
any money!

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Old 12-14-2011, 10:33 PM
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Default Re: Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

On 14/12/2011 22:07, Whiskers wrote:
> On 2011-12-12, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
>> usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal.

>
> Cashback? Why, and how?


A contract like this (0/month) just for the sake of argument:
http://tinyurl.com/d24mmuj
<http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Nokia/Nokia-1616-Free-Line-Rental-Discount/Orange/Orange-Dolphin-20-(24mths)-inc.-Internet/7906141>

>> There seem
>> to be plenty of these available; other than the fact that in this case
>> she has a Blackberry, and the new contracts - mostly Orange - include
>> standard data packages and I'm aware that with Blackberries you need to
>> have a special Blackberry services addon.

>
> I think you'll need the Blackberry services included if you want to use
> the proprietary Blackberry email system.


Yes, for sure - that's what I said! That's the whole issue. (I'm
currently happily running one of these contracts on my own iphone with
no problem; but that just uses 'ordinary' data, so no issue).

>> What I need to know is if I take out a new contract with Orange, which
>> would come with a crappy throwaway or ebayable handset, then if we were
>> to use the SIM in the Blackberry

>
> Why get a new handset at all if the old one is still going to be used?


Cos all these cashback contracts come with them...

> If you want to change the phone number for some reason, the existing
> provider may be able to do that without even changing the SIM.


No, want to keep the existing number.

Thanks for 'bumping' the thread anyway - anybody else know?!

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Old 12-14-2011, 11:50 PM
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Default Re: Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

On 2011-12-14, Lobster <davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 14/12/2011 22:07, Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2011-12-12, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
>>> usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal.

>>
>> Cashback? Why, and how?

>
> A contract like this (£0/month) just for the sake of argument:
> http://tinyurl.com/d24mmuj
> <http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Nokia/Nokia-1616-Free-Line-Rental-Discount/Orange/Orange-Dolphin-20-(24mths)-inc.-Internet/7906141>


Curious. What's in it for them? I still think it's much simpler to go
for a straight-forward SIM-only deal and not have to do all the paper-work
that offer seems to require. That way I can get the flexibility of a
monthly contract, so I can change to a different tarrif easily any time my
usage changes, rather than being tied to the same terms for 24 months (even
with the intention of claiming back the line-rental in delayed
instalments).

>>> There seem
>>> to be plenty of these available; other than the fact that in this case
>>> she has a Blackberry, and the new contracts - mostly Orange - include
>>> standard data packages and I'm aware that with Blackberries you need to
>>> have a special Blackberry services addon.

>>
>> I think you'll need the Blackberry services included if you want to use
>> the proprietary Blackberry email system.

>
> Yes, for sure - that's what I said! That's the whole issue. (I'm
> currently happily running one of these contracts on my own iphone with
> no problem; but that just uses 'ordinary' data, so no issue).
>
>>> What I need to know is if I take out a new contract with Orange, which
>>> would come with a crappy throwaway or ebayable handset, then if we were
>>> to use the SIM in the Blackberry

>>
>> Why get a new handset at all if the old one is still going to be used?

>
> Cos all these cashback contracts come with them...


.... and the Terms and Conditions state that the handsets remain the
property of the company "until paid for in full", whatever that means.

That website does have SIM-only offers too.

>> If you want to change the phone number for some reason, the existing
>> provider may be able to do that without even changing the SIM.

>
> No, want to keep the existing number.


OK; presumably that can be arranged by the website operator.

> Thanks for 'bumping' the thread anyway - anybody else know?!


I still say the best people to ask are the telco )

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Old 12-15-2011, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

On 15/12/2011 00:50, Whiskers wrote:
> On 2011-12-14, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 14/12/2011 22:07, Whiskers wrote:
>>> On 2011-12-12, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
>>>> usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal.
>>>
>>> Cashback? Why, and how?

>>
>> A contract like this (£0/month) just for the sake of argument:
>> http://tinyurl.com/d24mmuj
>> <http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Nokia/Nokia-1616-Free-Line-Rental-Discount/Orange/Orange-Dolphin-20-(24mths)-inc.-Internet/7906141>

>
> Curious. What's in it for them?


The business model works by attracting lots of punters by offering the
cashback deal, and then hoping that a substantial percentage fail to
meet the T&Cs (usually by losing the original paperwork or forgetting to
claim the first cashback installment) which voids the whole deal. It's
been notorious for cowboys, so you do need to be a bit careful (see
numerous threads on this in the past). There's also the risk of the
company going bust during the contract, which was the one time I lost
out in all the (many) years I've been doing this.

I still think it's much simpler to go
> for a straight-forward SIM-only deal and not have to do all the paper-work
> that offer seems to require.


Yer pays yer money and yer makes yer choice... personally I find having
completely free mobile phone facilties (and for our purposes, unlimited
use) for the whole family makes it worthwhile to put in the effort

>>> Why get a new handset at all if the old one is still going to be used?

>>
>> Cos all these cashback contracts come with them...

>
> ... and the Terms and Conditions state that the handsets remain the
> property of the company "until paid for in full", whatever that means.


I think it's all about network subsidy of the handset provided with the
contract - I believe in theory the network (who dissapprove of cashback
contracts) can claw this back from the retailer if the handset isn't
sold with the contract; so the smart advice I've come across is that if
you do get a handset with a cashback contract, then at least use it for
one call on the contract before dumping or flogging it off, so there's
proof the phone and contract were tied together.

David

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Old 12-15-2011, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

On 2011-12-15, Lobster <davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/12/2011 00:50, Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2011-12-14, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 14/12/2011 22:07, Whiskers wrote:
>>>> On 2011-12-12, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
>>>>> usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal.
>>>>
>>>> Cashback? Why, and how?
>>>
>>> A contract like this (£0/month) just for the sake of argument:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/d24mmuj
>>> <http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Nokia/Nokia-1616-Free-Line-Rental-Discount/Orange/Orange-Dolphin-20-(24mths)-inc.-Internet/7906141>

>>
>> Curious. What's in it for them?

>
> The business model works by attracting lots of punters by offering the
> cashback deal, and then hoping that a substantial percentage fail to
> meet the T&Cs (usually by losing the original paperwork or forgetting to
> claim the first cashback installment) which voids the whole deal. It's
> been notorious for cowboys, so you do need to be a bit careful (see
> numerous threads on this in the past). There's also the risk of the
> company going bust during the contract, which was the one time I lost
> out in all the (many) years I've been doing this.


I was afraid that would be the case; depending on human frailty.

>> I still think it's much simpler to go
>> for a straight-forward SIM-only deal and not have to do all the paper-work
>> that offer seems to require.

>
> Yer pays yer money and yer makes yer choice... personally I find having
> completely free mobile phone facilties (and for our purposes, unlimited
> use) for the whole family makes it worthwhile to put in the effort


My own record with paperwork and deadlines is such that I'd be certain to
be one of their most profitable customers!

>>>> Why get a new handset at all if the old one is still going to be used?
>>>
>>> Cos all these cashback contracts come with them...

>>
>> ... and the Terms and Conditions state that the handsets remain the
>> property of the company "until paid for in full", whatever that means.

>
> I think it's all about network subsidy of the handset provided with the
> contract - I believe in theory the network (who dissapprove of cashback
> contracts)


I'm not surprised!

> can claw this back from the retailer if the handset isn't
> sold with the contract; so the smart advice I've come across is that if
> you do get a handset with a cashback contract, then at least use it for
> one call on the contract before dumping or flogging it off, so there's
> proof the phone and contract were tied together.
>
> David


Think of the resources invested in making the handset; a terrible waste.
I felt guilty about not using the SIM that CPhW insisted I had to take in
order to get a 'SIM-free' handset for which I was paying the full retail
price. The whole mobile phone market seems to be full of dodgy practice
and confusion.

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Old 12-16-2011, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

Lobster wrote:
> On 14/12/2011 22:07, Whiskers wrote:
>> On 2011-12-12, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
>>> usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal.

>>
>> Cashback? Why, and how?

>
> A contract like this (0/month) just for the sake of argument:
> http://tinyurl.com/d24mmuj
> <http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Nokia/Nokia-1616-Free-Line-Rental-Discount/Orange/Orange-Dolphin-20-(24mths)-inc.-Internet/7906141>
>

The only cashback deal i would go for is from a CPW company
(OSPS, e2save, Mobiles.co.uk), as CPW are too big to go bust.

The most reliable of the those being "mobiles.co.uk"

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Old 12-16-2011, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: Using 'standard' Orange contract with a Blackberry?

On 16/12/2011 21:56, Steve Terry wrote:
> Lobster wrote:
>> On 14/12/2011 22:07, Whiskers wrote:
>>> On 2011-12-12, Lobster<davidlobsterpot601@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> A family member is coming to the end of her mobile contract and - as
>>>> usual! - it's falling to me to source a new cashback deal.
>>>
>>> Cashback? Why, and how?

>>
>> A contract like this (0/month) just for the sake of argument:
>> http://tinyurl.com/d24mmuj
>> <http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Nokia/Nokia-1616-Free-Line-Rental-Discount/Orange/Orange-Dolphin-20-(24mths)-inc.-Internet/7906141>
>>

> The only cashback deal i would go for is from a CPW company
> (OSPS, e2save, Mobiles.co.uk), as CPW are too big to go bust.


I'd agree in general, but would add buymobilephones.net to the list (and
only them) as they've been around and doing cashback deals for a good
many years now.

David

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