Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by Vodafone
goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract without
penalties?
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:02 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
>Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by Vodafone
>goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract without
>penalties?
On what basis? A change in ownership of T-Mobile would not affect the
validity of any existing agreements that the company had entered into.
"rousseau" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by Vodafone
> goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract without
> penalties?
>
> Chris
>
In article <7att2dF209krkU1@mid.individual.net>, invalid@invalid.invalid
says...
> Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by Vodafone
> goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract without
> penalties?
"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:02 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by Vodafone
> >goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract without
> >penalties?
>
> On what basis? A change in ownership of T-Mobile would not affect the
> validity of any existing agreements that the company had entered into.
Does this work the other way round too? Can I take out a contract and then
transfer ownership of that contract to my mate who has an appalling credit
history?
>
>"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:jijj45dr4gc1h38710jtsk781b93jb0k87@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:02 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by Vodafone
>> >goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract without
>> >penalties?
>>
>> On what basis? A change in ownership of T-Mobile would not affect the
>> validity of any existing agreements that the company had entered into.
>
>Does this work the other way round too? Can I take out a contract and then
>transfer ownership of that contract to my mate who has an appalling credit
>history?
Your contract is not being transferred to another company. Your
agreement was, and still is with T-Mobile. The only thing that might
be changing is the ownership of T-Mobile.
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:14:09 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
> <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:jijj45dr4gc1h38710jtsk781b93jb0k87@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:02 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by
>>> >Vodafone goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract
>>> >without penalties?
>>>
>>> On what basis? A change in ownership of T-Mobile would not affect the
>>> validity of any existing agreements that the company had entered into.
>>
>>Does this work the other way round too? Can I take out a contract and then
>>transfer ownership of that contract to my mate who has an appalling credit
>>history?
>
> Your contract is not being transferred to another company. Your
> agreement was, and still is with T-Mobile. The only thing that might
> be changing is the ownership of T-Mobile.
And one of the deciding factors when I take out a contract (i.e. buying
anything) is the ownership of that company. If it changes hands to someone
else I don't see why I should be obliged to continue that relationship if I
don't like the new owners.
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:14:08 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
>Chris Blunt wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:14:09 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
>> <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>news:jijj45dr4gc1h38710jtsk781b93jb0k87@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:02 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by
>>>> >Vodafone goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract
>>>> >without penalties?
>>>>
>>>> On what basis? A change in ownership of T-Mobile would not affect the
>>>> validity of any existing agreements that the company had entered into.
>>>
>>>Does this work the other way round too? Can I take out a contract and then
>>>transfer ownership of that contract to my mate who has an appalling credit
>>>history?
>>
>> Your contract is not being transferred to another company. Your
>> agreement was, and still is with T-Mobile. The only thing that might
>> be changing is the ownership of T-Mobile.
>
>And one of the deciding factors when I take out a contract (i.e. buying
>anything) is the ownership of that company. If it changes hands to someone
>else I don't see why I should be obliged to continue that relationship if I
>don't like the new owners.
You are legally obliged to continue the relationship because you
signed a binding contract with the company. If you wanted the right to
cancel a contract if ownership of the company changed then you should
have made sure that a clause to that effect was included in your
contract.
Ownership of any publicly listed company changes on a daily basic as
various people buy and sell shares in them. How could any company
possibly continue to function if every agreement they had entered into
was subject to cancellation every time someone bought or sold their
shares?
"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:14:08 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Chris Blunt wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:14:09 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
> >> <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:jijj45dr4gc1h38710jtsk781b93jb0k87@4ax.com ...
> >>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:02 +0100, rousseau
<invalid@invalid.invalid>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by
> >>>> >Vodafone goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract
> >>>> >without penalties?
> >>>>
> >>>> On what basis? A change in ownership of T-Mobile would not affect the
> >>>> validity of any existing agreements that the company had entered
into.
> >>>
> >>>Does this work the other way round too? Can I take out a contract and
then
> >>>transfer ownership of that contract to my mate who has an appalling
credit
> >>>history?
> >>
> >> Your contract is not being transferred to another company. Your
> >> agreement was, and still is with T-Mobile. The only thing that might
> >> be changing is the ownership of T-Mobile.
> >
> >And one of the deciding factors when I take out a contract (i.e. buying
> >anything) is the ownership of that company. If it changes hands to
someone
> >else I don't see why I should be obliged to continue that relationship if
I
> >don't like the new owners.
>
> You are legally obliged to continue the relationship because you
> signed a binding contract with the company. If you wanted the right to
> cancel a contract if ownership of the company changed then you should
> have made sure that a clause to that effect was included in your
> contract.
>
> Ownership of any publicly listed company changes on a daily basic as
> various people buy and sell shares in them. How could any company
> possibly continue to function if every agreement they had entered into
> was subject to cancellation every time someone bought or sold their
> shares?
OK, so what if Vodafone decide to take over all contracts and close down
T-Mobile, like TalkTalk have done with several telcos like Tele2 and OneTel.
Presumably then he is not binded by a contract he signed with T-Mobile.
>
>"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:rt0j55lgmgqd2c2d2al8ras57h1bevof9k@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:14:08 +0100, rousseau <invalid@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Chris Blunt wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:14:09 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
>> >> <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:jijj45dr4gc1h38710jtsk781b93jb0k87@4ax.com ...
>> >>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:27:02 +0100, rousseau
><invalid@invalid.invalid>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >Early days, I know, but if the mooted takeover of T-Mobile UK by
>> >>>> >Vodafone goes ahead, would I have grounds for cancelling my contract
>> >>>> >without penalties?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On what basis? A change in ownership of T-Mobile would not affect the
>> >>>> validity of any existing agreements that the company had entered
>into.
>> >>>
>> >>>Does this work the other way round too? Can I take out a contract and
>then
>> >>>transfer ownership of that contract to my mate who has an appalling
>credit
>> >>>history?
>> >>
>> >> Your contract is not being transferred to another company. Your
>> >> agreement was, and still is with T-Mobile. The only thing that might
>> >> be changing is the ownership of T-Mobile.
>> >
>> >And one of the deciding factors when I take out a contract (i.e. buying
>> >anything) is the ownership of that company. If it changes hands to
>someone
>> >else I don't see why I should be obliged to continue that relationship if
>I
>> >don't like the new owners.
>>
>> You are legally obliged to continue the relationship because you
>> signed a binding contract with the company. If you wanted the right to
>> cancel a contract if ownership of the company changed then you should
>> have made sure that a clause to that effect was included in your
>> contract.
>>
>> Ownership of any publicly listed company changes on a daily basic as
>> various people buy and sell shares in them. How could any company
>> possibly continue to function if every agreement they had entered into
>> was subject to cancellation every time someone bought or sold their
>> shares?
>
>OK, so what if Vodafone decide to take over all contracts and close down
>T-Mobile, like TalkTalk have done with several telcos like Tele2 and OneTel.
>
>Presumably then he is not binded by a contract he signed with T-Mobile.
Vodafone would need to take a look at what existing agreements were in
place with T-Mobile before doing anything. They should become aware of
what commitments T-Mobile had entered into while carrying out due
diligence on the company. The wording of customers contracts may
include a clause that allows the contract to be assigned to their
"heirs and successors", or something to that effect.
My guess is that they would probably retain the T-Mobile brand name
and company structure anyway for some time after they bought it, and
gradually incorporate it into Vodafone later on.
> My guess is that they would probably retain the T-Mobile brand name
> and company structure anyway for some time after they bought it, and
> gradually incorporate it into Vodafone later on.
>
> Chris
what about calling it "one to one" and making it a London PCS on 1800Mc/s ?
.........and have free calls in the evenings and at weekends? .......
"Jimbo ..." <jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
>> My guess is that they would probably retain the T-Mobile brand name
>> and company structure anyway for some time after they bought it, and
>> gradually incorporate it into Vodafone later on.
>> Chris
>
> what about calling it "one to one" and making it a London PCS on 1800Mc/s
> ? ........and have free calls in the evenings and at weekends? .......
>
and line 2, at least for incoming
Vodafone and T-Mobile UK 
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