Thus spaketh Andy Pandy:
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:X_N0h.43118$r61.34359@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded
>> the school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to
>> switch hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times,
>> the only way is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
>
> What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark.
> It'll still be dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in
> December. At the moment it is daylight in most parts of the country
> when kids go to and leave school.
Kids normally go to school pretty quickly no messing around in the
morning, when they come home from school they dawdle.
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> Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> > "Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1fadb857f708b78e989ae5@nntp.dsl.pipex.com
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > It's just that many of us would like it to get dark at
> > > 4:30pm instead of 3:30pm on the shorter days and at
> > > 6:00pm instead of 5:00pm on the run up and run down as
> > > this would at least give the illusion of more day
> > > light.
> >
> > So get up earlier instead of sleeping the daylight
> > away..!
> > > In the morning, dark is dark is dark is dark and it
> > > matters not one jot as most kids get driven to school
> > > these days and few of us have cows we have to get up
> > > and milk.
> >
> > Like I said, get up earlier and start work/school at 8
> > instead of 9. Then when you finish it will still be
> > light.
>
> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone
> demanded the school to open an hour earlier and the
> teachers also wanting to switch hours, people aren't
> going to be able to change the times, the only way is by
> enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
You don't get what I'm saying, do you..? Who tells us to change the clocks
twice a year..? Who issues the instruction ..? The government, right..? So
instead of telling people to change the settings on physical devices, tell
them to change their hours of work by an hour. Same result, less hassle
with clocks..!
> > What do you think people did before clocks..?!
>
> Is of no importance to todays society.
But it has relevance.
> > > And an extra hour of light in the evening in the
> > > summer would be pretty cool too!
> >
> > So don't sleep it away in the morning..!
> >
>
> All well and good getting up an hour earlier when our
> clock haven't changed, as everything else will still be
> running on the current time, so may not be open an hour
> earlier.
No they won't..!! This is the whole point..! If *everyone* changed their
hours at the same time of year instead of changing their clocks, the end
result would be the same, but with less hassle of mucking about with
timepieces.
> Come on, you don't normally spout nonsense.
Read it again, it's no more nonsense than buggering about with clocks.
"Bohica" <bohica@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > What none of them seem to have the brain cells to work
> > out is that the number of hours of available daylight
> > in any given day has bugger all to do with what a clock
> > says..! They lie in bed for an extra hour, sleeping the
> > daylight away, then complain that little Johnny has to
> > walk home from school in the dark. Why don't people just get up an
> > hour earlier and go to
> > bed an hour earlier, start work/school etc. at 8
> > instead of 9 etc., problem solved.
>
> If lessons don't start until 9am and then the child wants
> to leave at 2pm instead of 3pm, I'm sure the local
> authority education police might have something to say
> about it.
So start lessons at 8, that's my whole point.
> However, not really an issue in most of the schools in my
> area, because the majority start at 8.20am and finish
> around 2.30pm. Teachers must love only having to work
> half days.
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> Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> > wrote in message
> > news:KON0h.43103$r61.4031@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk
> >
> > > I want the extra hour an the evening not in the
> > > morning, which was what I said, I fully understand
> > > the amount of light in any 23hr 56 minutes will be
> > > the same whether our clocks are on GMT,BST, CET or
> > > CEST. That's not the point, because we live our time
> > > around a clock I'd rather have the clocks moved to
> > > provider more light at night than in the morning.
> >
> > So change working hours not clocks.
> >
>
> I can't, that my hours for my Job, it's not one or two
> weeks at those hours, it's every week of the year.
But your job terms can be changed so that you work 8 to 4 in the winter
instead of 9 to 5.
> > > > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there,
> > > > but it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed.
> > > > Get up earlier and go to bed earlier; start
> > > > school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is.
> > > > Problem solved.
> > >
> > > I come in from work at 05:00 during the summer this is
> > > light, during the winter it is dark, so to me moving
> > > the clocks forward and hour will have little affect
> > > on my coming home from work.
> >
> > I work shifts as well, but I don't see the difference
> > between working 8 to 4 instead of 9 to 5. It's not that
> > great a leap, surely..?
>
> But I have to work 21:00 - 05:00. That's my job.
So your hours are changed from 2000 - 0400.
> The
> computers I have to work on are already listed by my
> manager who works 09:00 - 17:00, but even if I was to
> turn up at 20:00 I can't swipe out until 04:45 at the
> earliest and security are told not to allow anyone off
> site until 04:45 at the earliest.
Computers can be reprogrammed.
> We get paid for
> working extra hours past our usual hours, but not for
> hours before, so even if I worked for two hours before
> 21:00 I wouldn't be paid for them, and even if I finished
> at 03:00 I'd have to stay until 05:00. Sometimes when the
> swipe machine stops working and you have good security on
> you can leave early, but you don't know before hand if
> the machines are going to be faulty.
So your contract could be changed so that the hours listed for your work
are 1 hour earlier in the winter.
> Yes, one hour difference isn't much of a difference but
> for most people work won't allow then to alter their work
> pattern by one hour, all well and good saying work from
> 08:00 until 16:00 but pointless when work only allows you
> to work 09:00 - 17:00
> > > > Think about it; what did people do before clocks
> > > > were invented..? They got up when the sun rose and
> > > > went to bed when it set.
> > >
> > > But clocks have been invented, and one or two people
> > > aren't going to be able to change their working
> > > pattern, maybe for those who have flex-time maybe, bt
> > > for those in a 09:00 - 17:00 job, I'm sure their boss
> > > is going to be happy if the come in at a different
> > > time, the place may not even be open.
> >
> > So change working hours.
>
> Pointless remark, if your place of work only allows you
> to work 09:00 - 17:00 you ain't going to be able to work
> 08:00 - 16:00
Your workplace wouldn't have a choice. It would be imposed by government
in the same way you are told you must change your clocks.
> > > Do you think my kids school is going to allow my kids
> > > to turn up and start school work at 07:50 ? Come on
> > > keep it real!
> >
> > It is real. Instead of the government saying change the
> > clocks twice a year, they could just say change working
> > hours instead.
> > >
> > > That is just a crazy thing to say, and pointless
> > > thing to say.
> >
> > It's no crazier than adjusting every clock in the
> > country twice a year.
>
> The rest of Europe change their clocks at the same time
> also, so it's not just this country that is crazy.
They don't have to any more than we have to.
> Yes it would be nice for people to be able to alter their
> hours, but that's not going to happen, so changing the
> clocks is the best method.
I don't agree.
> Can you really see a business for example advertising
> their hours as maybe 08:00, maybe 08:30 maybe 09:00,
> maybe 09:30 until maybe 16:00, maybe 16:30, maybe 17:00
> all depends on when workers come in to work.
> There does need to be some set hours of business for many
> businesses if they can't run 24/7.
So set them to one hour earlier start/finish in the winter.
> > Can you really see a business for example advertising
> > their hours as maybe 08:00, maybe 08:30 maybe 09:00,
> > maybe 09:30 until maybe 16:00, maybe 16:30, maybe 17:00
> > all depends on when workers come in to work.
> > There does need to be some set hours of business for many
> > businesses if they can't run 24/7.
>
> So set them to one hour earlier start/finish in the winter.
How is that 'easier' than just changing the clock time?
Just because you have a job that makes it a PITA doesn't mean it would
be easier / better for 99% of the population to change working hours.
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"{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded
> >> the school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to
> >> switch hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times,
> >> the only way is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
> >
> > What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark.
> > It'll still be dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in
> > December. At the moment it is daylight in most parts of the country
> > when kids go to and leave school.
>
>
> Kids normally go to school pretty quickly no messing around in the
> morning, when they come home from school they dawdle.
So what's your point? I'd rather my kids went both ways in daylight, as they do now,
whether they dawdle or not.
They leave at 8.30am, they are back at 3.50pm. It's daylight throught the year in
most parts of the country between those times. It wouldn't be if we switched to CET.
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Can you really see a business for example advertising
> > > their hours as maybe 08:00, maybe 08:30 maybe 09:00,
> > > maybe 09:30 until maybe 16:00, maybe 16:30, maybe
> > > 17:00 all depends on when workers come in to work.
> > > There does need to be some set hours of business for
> > > many businesses if they can't run 24/7.
> >
> > So set them to one hour earlier start/finish in the
> > winter.
>
> How is that 'easier' than just changing the clock time?
>
> Just because you have a job that makes it a PITA doesn't
> mean it would be easier / better for 99% of the
> population to change working hours.
Why is it difficult..? Just set the alarm an hour earlier. It's no
different to working shifts.
Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote in message
> news:GdO0h.43137$r61.37584@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk
>> Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
>>> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
>>> wrote in message
>>> news:KON0h.43103$r61.4031@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk
>>>
>>>> I want the extra hour an the evening not in the
>>>> morning, which was what I said, I fully understand
>>>> the amount of light in any 23hr 56 minutes will be
>>>> the same whether our clocks are on GMT,BST, CET or
>>>> CEST. That's not the point, because we live our time
>>>> around a clock I'd rather have the clocks moved to
>>>> provider more light at night than in the morning.
>>>
>>> So change working hours not clocks.
>>>
>>
>> I can't, that my hours for my Job, it's not one or two
>> weeks at those hours, it's every week of the year.
>
> But your job terms can be changed so that you work 8 to 4 in the
> winter instead of 9 to 5.
But they won't, as much as I'd may like them to, they ain't going to
change.
Even if all us workers decided we wanted them to change the hours, they
aren't going to those are the hours and they ain't changing.
>
>>>>> That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there,
>>>>> but it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed.
>>>>> Get up earlier and go to bed earlier; start
>>>>> school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is.
>>>>> Problem solved.
>>>>
>>>> I come in from work at 05:00 during the summer this is
>>>> light, during the winter it is dark, so to me moving
>>>> the clocks forward and hour will have little affect
>>>> on my coming home from work.
>>>
>>> I work shifts as well, but I don't see the difference
>>> between working 8 to 4 instead of 9 to 5. It's not that
>>> great a leap, surely..?
>>
>> But I have to work 21:00 - 05:00. That's my job.
>
> So your hours are changed from 2000 - 0400.
>
>> The
>> computers I have to work on are already listed by my
>> manager who works 09:00 - 17:00, but even if I was to
>> turn up at 20:00 I can't swipe out until 04:45 at the
>> earliest and security are told not to allow anyone off
>> site until 04:45 at the earliest.
>
> Computers can be reprogrammed.
>
Yes they can, but they has nothing to do with the place I work changing
their working hours.
>> We get paid for
>> working extra hours past our usual hours, but not for
>> hours before, so even if I worked for two hours before
>> 21:00 I wouldn't be paid for them, and even if I finished
>> at 03:00 I'd have to stay until 05:00. Sometimes when the
>> swipe machine stops working and you have good security on
>> you can leave early, but you don't know before hand if
>> the machines are going to be faulty.
>
> So your contract could be changed so that the hours listed for your
> work are 1 hour earlier in the winter.
>
But that ain't goint to happen!
>
>> Yes, one hour difference isn't much of a difference but
>> for most people work won't allow then to alter their work
>> pattern by one hour, all well and good saying work from
>> 08:00 until 16:00 but pointless when work only allows you
>> to work 09:00 - 17:00
>>>>> Think about it; what did people do before clocks
>>>>> were invented..? They got up when the sun rose and
>>>>> went to bed when it set.
>>>>
>>>> But clocks have been invented, and one or two people
>>>> aren't going to be able to change their working
>>>> pattern, maybe for those who have flex-time maybe, bt
>>>> for those in a 09:00 - 17:00 job, I'm sure their boss
>>>> is going to be happy if the come in at a different
>>>> time, the place may not even be open.
>>>
>>> So change working hours.
>>
>> Pointless remark, if your place of work only allows you
>> to work 09:00 - 17:00 you ain't going to be able to work
>> 08:00 - 16:00
>
> Your workplace wouldn't have a choice. It would be imposed by
> government in the same way you are told you must change your clocks.
>
>>>> Do you think my kids school is going to allow my kids
>>>> to turn up and start school work at 07:50 ? Come on
>>>> keep it real!
>>>
>>> It is real. Instead of the government saying change the
>>> clocks twice a year, they could just say change working
>>> hours instead.
>>>>
>>>> That is just a crazy thing to say, and pointless
>>>> thing to say.
>>>
>>> It's no crazier than adjusting every clock in the
>>> country twice a year.
>>
>> The rest of Europe change their clocks at the same time
>> also, so it's not just this country that is crazy.
>
> They don't have to any more than we have to.
>
>> Yes it would be nice for people to be able to alter their
>> hours, but that's not going to happen, so changing the
>> clocks is the best method.
>
> I don't agree.
>
>> Can you really see a business for example advertising
>> their hours as maybe 08:00, maybe 08:30 maybe 09:00,
>> maybe 09:30 until maybe 16:00, maybe 16:30, maybe 17:00
>> all depends on when workers come in to work.
>> There does need to be some set hours of business for many
>> businesses if they can't run 24/7.
>
> So set them to one hour earlier start/finish in the winter.
>
> Ivor
> > How is that 'easier' than just changing the clock time?
> >
> > Just because you have a job that makes it a PITA doesn't
> > mean it would be easier / better for 99% of the
> > population to change working hours.
>
> Why is it difficult..? Just set the alarm an hour earlier. It's no
> different to working shifts.
It's not that simple, is it?
All shops would have to change the opening hours signs, websites would
also have to be changed to reflect the 'winter' opening hours, bus /
train timetables would have to be reprinted with summer and winter hours
etc.
Changing the time on clocks is much easier.
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> On 28/10/2006 at 19:20:10 Michael Swift wrote :
> > Indeed, all these numpties who want various changes seem to forget there
> > are only so many hours of daylight in winter, what you gain at one end
> > of the day you lose at the other.
>
> Up north, it helps as it would be dark until 9:00am if they did not
> change. But don't let facts get in the way of childrens safety
'Won't someone *please* think of the childrun'
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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
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>> Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
>> > "Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.1fadb857f708b78e989ae5@nntp.dsl.pipex.com
>> >
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> > > It's just that many of us would like it to get dark at
>> > > 4:30pm instead of 3:30pm on the shorter days and at
>> > > 6:00pm instead of 5:00pm on the run up and run down as
>> > > this would at least give the illusion of more day
>> > > light.
>> >
>> > So get up earlier instead of sleeping the daylight
>> > away..!
>> > > In the morning, dark is dark is dark is dark and it
>> > > matters not one jot as most kids get driven to school
>> > > these days and few of us have cows we have to get up
>> > > and milk.
>> >
>> > Like I said, get up earlier and start work/school at 8
>> > instead of 9. Then when you finish it will still be
>> > light.
>>
>> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone
>> demanded the school to open an hour earlier and the
>> teachers also wanting to switch hours, people aren't
>> going to be able to change the times, the only way is by
>> enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
>
> You don't get what I'm saying, do you..? Who tells us to change the
> clocks twice a year..? Who issues the instruction ..? The
> government, right..? So instead of telling people to change the
> settings on physical devices, tell them to change their hours of
> work by an hour. Same result, less hassle with clocks..!
>
Surely, though, the current system would be cheaper.... on your
proprosed system, bus, coach and train companies would have to
re-issue timetables twice a year to account for hour shift of the
morning/evening peak periods. Even then, I don't think the governemt
has any right to dictate opening hours of shops/offices etc apart from
Schools, and (possibly) some other local government services, whether
it be directly or via local government. Even so, I suspect there
would be much simplification in this, instead of opening an hour
earler in winter, I suspect many shops/offices would still open at the
same time (eg 9am) and then close at the same time... so what does
that get you ?
Anyway, shouldn't your suggestion be the other way around.... ie we
keep GMT all year long (ie no switch to BST in March), and then just
tell people to go to school/work 1 hour later April to October.
>> > What do you think people did before clocks..?!
>>
>> Is of no importance to todays society.
>
> But it has relevance.
>
>> > > And an extra hour of light in the evening in the
>> > > summer would be pretty cool too!
>> >
>> > So don't sleep it away in the morning..!
>> >
>>
>> All well and good getting up an hour earlier when our
>> clock haven't changed, as everything else will still be
>> running on the current time, so may not be open an hour
>> earlier.
>
> No they won't..!! This is the whole point..! If *everyone* changed
> their hours at the same time of year instead of changing their
> clocks, the end result would be the same, but with less hassle of
> mucking about with timepieces.
>
But they wouldn't, and who would make them do it anyway.
It may well just be a psychological thing, but going to work at 8am
feels alot better than going to work at 7am regardless of whether the
clocks change or not, and I suspect many workers (where possible)
would probably want to keep the same "hours" without having to shift 1
way or the other... at least with an actual clock change, going to
work at 8 feels the same in both summer and winter.
"Pun Krocker" <pun_k~62@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 28/10/2006 at 19:20:10 Michael Swift wrote :
> > Indeed, all these numpties who want various changes seem to forget there
> > are only so many hours of daylight in winter, what you gain at one end
> > of the day you lose at the other.
>
> Up north, it helps as it would be dark until 9:00am if they did not
> change. But don't let facts get in the way of childrens safety
The change is to give extra daylight *in the summer*, if they didn't change it would
just get darker earlier in the summer. Winter would stay the same.
In article <4qhk7rFn6dr0U2@individual.net>, Phaeton <phaeton@none.com>
writes
>They wanted devolution so let them have it, stop all Scottish MP's
>voting on English bills (that'd stuff Uncle Gordon up next year) & let
>them have their own timezone if they wanted.
What has this comment to do with the subject of this thread. Keep your
prejudices off public forums where they are not relevant.
--
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for no man!!
"Matt Wheeler" <spam@007jbond.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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[snip]
> Anyway, shouldn't your suggestion be the other way
> around.... ie we keep GMT all year long (ie no switch to
> BST in March), and then just tell people to go to
> school/work 1 hour later April to October.
Actually that's exactly what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear.
It can work, Arizona in the US for example don't observe daylight savings
time. Although it can prove a little troublesome if you live on one side
of the state line where they don't change the clocks but work on the other
side where they do ;-)
> > No they won't..!! This is the whole point..! If
> > *everyone* changed their hours at the same time of year
> > instead of changing their clocks, the end result would
> > be the same, but with less hassle of mucking about with
> > timepieces.
>
> But they wouldn't, and who would make them do it anyway.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> > Anyway, shouldn't your suggestion be the other way
> > around.... ie we keep GMT all year long (ie no switch to
> > BST in March), and then just tell people to go to
> > school/work 1 hour later April to October.
I think you meant earlier.
> Actually that's exactly what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear.
>
> It can work, Arizona in the US for example don't observe daylight savings
> time. Although it can prove a little troublesome if you live on one side
> of the state line where they don't change the clocks but work on the other
> side where they do ;-)
That's partly because it's quite far south, daylight saving is unnecessary for places
closer to the equator. Similarly in Australia the nothern states don't have daylight
saving, the southern states do.
> some organisations (inc RoSPA), want us to put the clocks back
> one hour forward of GMT in winter and two hours forward of GMT
> in summer. We'll then come into line with Europe.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 19:29:34 +0100, "Jack" <Jack@outer.space> wrote:
>"andrew" <andrew.fox33@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:454394E0.1000603@ntlworld.com...
>> the arguments for keeping present system are to the benefit of orkney
>> farmers
>> not us in the south of gods country
>
>
>ROFL you illiterate twat, what difference will it make to farmers in Orkney?
>You do realise that changing the clocks won't make any difference to the
>amount of sunlight don't you?
I've got a better idea. Every day you put the clocks back in the
morning and then you put them forward in the afternoon. Either that,
or add an hour of daylight at both ends of the day, take away the
number you first thought of and everyone's problems are solved.
What about giant mirrors all along the Pennines and into the Grampians
with teams of slaves to rotate them, or even a 600 mile long silver
zeppelin in the sky, constantly moving up and down the country?
Or what about giant torches lit by methane from newsgroups. Now
there's a thought.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:42:45 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Bohica"
<bohica@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Don't forget to put the clocks back before you go to bed on Saturday
>> night!
>
>I heard on the radio this morning, that some organisations (inc RoSPA), want
>us to put the clocks back one hour forward of GMT in winter and two hours
>forward of GMT in summer. We'll then come into line with Europe. RoSPA
>reckons that it'll save 1,000s of lives and after an experiement in the late
>60's they reckon they proved the point. Anybody remember when this
>experiment happened?
When they did the experiment, most schoolchildren walked or cycled to
school, and car usage was drastically lower. The results would be
totally invalid today as most people drive, even to get kids to
school. So stats based on the number of pedestrians injured would be
meaningless.
Bohica wrote:
> > Don't forget to put the clocks back before you go to bed on Saturday
> > night!
> I hate getting up and going out to work in the dark, and if the clocks stay
> put one hour ahead of GMT for winter, that means it won't be daylight until
> about 9am. Won't it then be the case that all that will happen is we'll end
> up having more people killed in the dark mornings, rather than the dark
> nights?
Quite right. It's much better if they are killed on a dark night. Dark
mornings are just not the same.
In article <e1f7k21ta3ahajslt9bpndmam4qce58dns@4ax.com>, Travec The
Dacian <Travec.Dacian@btopenworld.com> writes
>Or what about giant torches lit by methane from newsgroups. Now there's
>a thought.
It'd be cheaper to use parliamentary gas, more of it.
Mike
--
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Ivor Jones said:
>
>
> "Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> > Surely you realise people are referring to an extra hour
> > of light at the end of the clock marked day rather than
> > at the beginning and that they do actually appreciate
> > that fiddling with this marking of the passage of time
> > does not actually create or destroy day light. :-)
>
> Do I have to spell it out..?!
Only for yourself to giggle at later.
> They are complaining that their kids are
> coming home from school in the dark.
"They" do, do "they"?
> So instead of fiddling with countless
> clocks, change school/office hours from 9-5 to 8-4 or whatever they are.
> Get up earlier and go to bed earlier. Simple.
Simple if you have super-human abilities to change school and business
hours but otherwise we will just have to stick with the achievable,
which is to alter the clocks.
> > > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there, but
> > > it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed. Get up
> > > earlier and go to bed earlier; start school/work at 8
> > > instead of 9 or whatever it is. Problem solved.
> >
> > In the morning few of us can make good use of it so it is
> > wasted.
>
> If working hours were changed instead of clocks it wouldn't be wasted,
> would it..?
Ah, so you *do* believe in super-human abilities.
> > > Think about it; what did people do before clocks were
> > > invented..? They got up when the sun rose and went to
> > > bed when it set.
> >
> > I think you are confusing people having clocks with them
> > having access to artificial light.
>
> Not at all, read what I said again.
You mean after I get off the floor laughing? Not sure if my heart can
take it!
Ivor Jones said:
>
>
> "Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1fadb857f708b78e989ae5@nntp.dsl.pipex.com
>
> [snip]
>
> > It's just that many of us would like it to get dark at
> > 4:30pm instead of 3:30pm on the shorter days and at
> > 6:00pm instead of 5:00pm on the run up and run down as
> > this would at least give the illusion of more day light.
>
> So get up earlier instead of sleeping the daylight away..!
When I get up at the moment it is dark let alone in a week's time so
your cunning plan is not quite as cunning as it would first seem.
> > In the morning, dark is dark is dark is dark and it
> > matters not one jot as most kids get driven to school
> > these days and few of us have cows we have to get up and
> > milk.
>
> Like I said, get up earlier and start work/school at 8 instead of 9. Then
> when you finish it will still be light.
I already start before 8:00am and it is still dark when I leave for
work.
> What do you think people did before clocks..?!
>
> > And an extra hour of light in the evening in the summer
> > would be pretty cool too!
>
> So don't sleep it away in the morning..!
You must get up really late if you think it is already daylight at
getting up time! Lazy git. :-p
Andy Pandy said:
>
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:X_N0h.43118$r61.34359@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded the
> > school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to switch
> > hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times, the only way
> > is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
>
> What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark. It'll still be
> dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in December. At the moment it is
> daylight in most parts of the country when kids go to and leave school.
This argument about kids going to school in the dark is so out of date I
am amazed that some people still feel the need to drag it up to defend a
system that is pretty crap for almost everyone in modern times and
actually affects some people's health.
If your children really walk to school alone, along unlit roads in the
pitch dark, then buy them a reflective jacket, some always-on lights and
a torch.
"Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fade03fedc1e56b989ae7@nntp.dsl.pipex.com
> Ivor Jones said:
> >
> >
> > "Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>
> > > Surely you realise people are referring to an extra
> > > hour of light at the end of the clock marked day
> > > rather than at the beginning and that they do
> > > actually appreciate that fiddling with this marking
> > > of the passage of time does not actually create or
> > > destroy day light. :-)
> >
> > Do I have to spell it out..?!
>
> Only for yourself to giggle at later.
Or you, but it still holds true.
> > They are complaining that their kids are
> > coming home from school in the dark.
>
> "They" do, do "they"?
Apparently so, or changing clocks wouldn't be "necessary" would it..?!
> > So instead of fiddling with countless
> > clocks, change school/office hours from 9-5 to 8-4 or
> > whatever they are. Get up earlier and go to bed
> > earlier. Simple.
>
> Simple if you have super-human abilities to change school
> and business hours but otherwise we will just have to
> stick with the achievable, which is to alter the clocks.
It is achievable. Who tells you to change clocks..? They could equally
well tell you to change hours.
> > > > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there,
> > > > but it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed.
> > > > Get up earlier and go to bed earlier; start
> > > > school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is.
> > > > Problem solved.
> > >
> > > In the morning few of us can make good use of it so
> > > it is wasted.
> >
> > If working hours were changed instead of clocks it
> > wouldn't be wasted, would it..?
>
> Ah, so you *do* believe in super-human abilities.
If it's superhuman to get up in the morning. Well perhaps it is for some
people.
> > > > Think about it; what did people do before clocks
> > > > were invented..? They got up when the sun rose and
> > > > went to bed when it set.
> > >
> > > I think you are confusing people having clocks with
> > > them having access to artificial light.
> >
> > Not at all, read what I said again.
>
> You mean after I get off the floor laughing? Not sure if
> my heart can take it!
Andy Pandy said:
>
> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:jnO0h.43147$r61.31837@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > >> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded
> > >> the school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to
> > >> switch hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times,
> > >> the only way is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
> > >
> > > What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark.
> > > It'll still be dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in
> > > December. At the moment it is daylight in most parts of the country
> > > when kids go to and leave school.
> >
> >
> > Kids normally go to school pretty quickly no messing around in the
> > morning, when they come home from school they dawdle.
>
> So what's your point? I'd rather my kids went both ways in daylight, as they do now,
> whether they dawdle or not.
>
> They leave at 8.30am, they are back at 3.50pm. It's daylight throught the year in
> most parts of the country between those times. It wouldn't be if we switched to CET.
I am sure you would prefer it to be always daylight, wouldn't we all,
but it seems more accidents happen at night than in the morning and the
main reason for the current clock changing regime is the objection from
the Scots when attempts are make to update it, not because it "safe" for
children.
And you live in a funny part of the UK if it is daylight, all year
round, at 3:50pm as I live a mile from the sea on the south coast and it
is dark by 3:30pm here on the shorter days!
Pun Krocker wrote:
> On 28/10/2006 at 17:55:17 Niel Humphreys wrote :
>> They look like a hoard of council workers now, lol.
>
> ROTFLMAO, so do they stand about doing fuck all for 8 hours?
"Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fade3d95e32ba2f989aea@nntp.dsl.pipex.com ...
> Andy Pandy said:
> >
> > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:jnO0h.43147$r61.31837@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > >> All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded
> > > >> the school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to
> > > >> switch hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times,
> > > >> the only way is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
> > > >
> > > > What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark.
> > > > It'll still be dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in
> > > > December. At the moment it is daylight in most parts of the country
> > > > when kids go to and leave school.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kids normally go to school pretty quickly no messing around in the
> > > morning, when they come home from school they dawdle.
> >
> > So what's your point? I'd rather my kids went both ways in daylight, as they do
now,
> > whether they dawdle or not.
> >
> > They leave at 8.30am, they are back at 3.50pm. It's daylight throught the year in
> > most parts of the country between those times. It wouldn't be if we switched to
CET.
>
> I am sure you would prefer it to be always daylight, wouldn't we all,
Er, no actually.
> but it seems more accidents happen at night than in the morning and the
> main reason for the current clock changing regime is the objection from
> the Scots when attempts are make to update it, not because it "safe" for
> children.
The reason for the "current clock changing regime" is to get more evening daylight in
the summer, it's got bugger all to do with winter, or the Scots. Why do you think
it's called "daylight saving" time?
> And you live in a funny part of the UK if it is daylight, all year
> round, at 3:50pm as I live a mile from the sea on the south coast and it
> is dark by 3:30pm here on the shorter days!
Complete bullshit - nowhere on the south coast of England does the sun ever set
before 3.30pm. In any case it would have to set by about 3pm for it to be dark at
3.30pm, so you're way out. Check your clocks this winter!
"Bert" <Albert@coldmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fade2b82951ac5f989ae9@nntp.dsl.pipex.com ...
> Andy Pandy said:
> >
> > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:X_N0h.43118$r61.34359@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > > All well and good spouting such nonsense, unless everyone demanded the
> > > school to open an hour earlier and the teachers also wanting to switch
> > > hours, people aren't going to be able to change the times, the only way
> > > is by enough people campaigning to switch to CET/CEST.
> >
> > What? If we switched to CET then kids will go to school in the dark. It'll still
be
> > dark at 8.30am in virtually the whole country in December. At the moment it is
> > daylight in most parts of the country when kids go to and leave school.
>
> This argument about kids going to school in the dark is so out of date I
> am amazed that some people still feel the need to drag it up to defend a
> system that is pretty crap for almost everyone in modern times and
> actually affects some people's health.
What "system" are you on about, FFS? The clock changing is to do with summer, not
winter. CET is not our natural timezone, GMT is.
Mark McIntyre wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:42:45 GMT, in uk.telecom.broadband , "Bohica"
> <bohica@hotmail.com> wrote:
> When they did the experiment, most schoolchildren walked or cycled to
> school, and car usage was drastically lower. The results would be
> totally invalid today as most people drive, even to get kids to
> school. So stats based on the number of pedestrians injured would be
> meaningless.
Injuries? Not if I had my way with 4 be 4 users.
You lot who drive your kids to school should be rounded up & shot.
Big girls bloused nancy boys are the offspring you lot are producing.
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