0203 London Expansion

Apologies for the pseudo cross-post from uk.telecom but I have no
response from there in 4 1/2 hours and, in fact, I am talking about a
sipgate London number.

I noticed this morning that my 0208 Virginmedia phone service does not
recognise 0203 numbers as being local such that the 020 area code must
be dialed. Ofcom describes these as 2+8 which means, by my reckoning at
least, that the NTNP is not being currently respected by VM in all its
provisions.

Does anyone know about this issue in relation to BT and/or other OLOs?

Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.
Chris

PS Please call me on 3355 6096 if you want to check.

{{{{{Welcome}}}}};9223449 Wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:46:20 +0100, Chris Dent
> <chris.nojunk@please.cjvdent.com> wrote:
>
> >Apologies for the pseudo cross-post from uk.telecom but I have no
> >response from there in 4 1/2 hours and, in fact, I am talking about a
> >sipgate London number.
> >
> >I noticed this morning that my 0208 Virginmedia phone service does
> not
> >recognise 0203 numbers as being local such that the 020 area code
> must
> >be dialed. Ofcom describes these as 2+8 which means, by my reckoning
> at
> >least, that the NTNP is not being currently respected by VM in all
> its
> >provisions.
> >
> >Does anyone know about this issue in relation to BT and/or other
> OLOs?
> >
> >Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.
> >Chris
> >
> >PS Please call me on 3355 6096 if you want to check.
>
>
> How are you dialing the numbers as it's confusing the way you one the
> one hand state them as 0208 and 0203 and then later 020.
>
> 0208 and 0203 are incorrect, where as 020 is correct.
>
> So are you saying from your 020 8nnn nnnn VM line you can call 3nnn
> nnnn without dialing 020 3nnn nnnn?

When did 0203 numbers come into use?
I thought London was 0207/0208 only?


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In news:itsniall.3ha77e@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au,
itsniall <m@22itsniall.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason:

[snip]

: When did 0203 numbers come into use?
: I thought London was 0207/0208 only?

Sigh..........................

The one and only code for London is 020. Local numbers can start with 3, 7
or 8.


Ivor

itsniall wrote:

> When did 0203 numbers come into use?

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/ioi...od/0203numbers

> I thought London was 0207/0208 only?

London is 020

Some numbers happen to begin with 7, others with 8, more recently they
have started to be issued beginning with 3. Actually there are some
numbers allocated that begin with 0 or 1 which *must* always be dialled
with the 020 prefix.

If you want to see the allocations, look at the "S1" list from here,
it's quite big, and quite boring

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/telecoms/ioi...tered/download

itsniall wrote:
> When did 0203 numbers come into use?

According to Ofcom's codelist, the first CP allocations were in May 2005.

Thanks to all who pointed out that London is 020, is why I pointed out
they were (0+)2+8. But for Virginmedia they seem to be "National
Dialing Only".

Chris Dent submitted this idea :
> itsniall wrote:
>> When did 0203 numbers come into use?
>
> According to Ofcom's codelist, the first CP allocations were in May 2005.
>
> Thanks to all who pointed out that London is 020, is why I pointed out they
> were (0+)2+8. But for Virginmedia they seem to be "National Dialing Only".

They probably think the area code is 4 digits.

"Chris Dent" <chris.nojunk@please.cjvdent.com> wrote in message
news:4O5Jk.9363$qt6.1248@newsfe28.ams2...
> itsniall wrote:
>> When did 0203 numbers come into use?
>
> According to Ofcom's codelist, the first CP allocations were in May 2005.
>
> Thanks to all who pointed out that London is 020, is why I pointed out
> they were (0+)2+8. But for Virginmedia they seem to be "National Dialing
> Only".

Yes, we realised that you knew what you were talking about
that's why it was all the more surprising when you didn't
put a space or some other demarcation after the 020
in this of all forums (small "f" Ivor) :-)

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Graham. used his keyboard to write :
> small "f"

?

Graham. wrote:
> that's why it was all the more surprising when you didn't
> put a space or some other demarcation after the 020

Shall be more careful from now on. Sorry for the inconvenience :)

VM raised a fault and it is now fixed. As regards other CPs, no
confirmation either way so I assume everything is OK.

FWIW, I was taught "fora" but I understand both terms.
Chris

"Chris Dent" <chris.nojunk@please.cjvdent.com> wrote in message
news:yijJk.2889$4L6.866@newsfe22.ams2...
> Graham. wrote:
>> that's why it was all the more surprising when you didn't
>> put a space or some other demarcation after the 020
>
> Shall be more careful from now on. Sorry for the inconvenience :)
>
> VM raised a fault and it is now fixed. As regards other CPs, no
> confirmation either way so I assume everything is OK.
>
> FWIW, I was taught "fora" but I understand both terms.
> Chris

Telewest, when I worked for them (not in data build) some years ago, had a
policy of only building number ranges that they wanted to route, i.e. they
didn't have the universal service obligations that BT had. Number ranges
were only built as they and other OLO's brought them into service - they
were often late (not enough data build staff) on the 'in service dates' and
problems such as you have highlighted were dealt with when a complaint was
received.

Peter

"Chris Dent" <chris.nojunk@please.cjvdent.com> wrote in message
news:yijJk.2889$4L6.866@newsfe22.ams2...
> Graham. wrote:
>> that's why it was all the more surprising when you didn't
>> put a space or some other demarcation after the 020
>
> Shall be more careful from now on. Sorry for the inconvenience :)

You are in good company. As you probably know,
Vodafone sends the local STD code as a cell broadcast and
you can configure most handsets to display it when idle.
In London it always displays 0208 or 0207

> VM raised a fault and it is now fixed. As regards other CPs, no
> confirmation either way so I assume everything is OK.
>
> FWIW, I was taught "fora" but I understand both terms.
Now that's just pretentious ;-)

> Chris

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"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.796c7d8a09efe0ab.88534@blueyonder.invalid. ..
> Graham. used his keyboard to write :
>> small "f"

Ivor Jones never misses an opportunity to remind us that Usenet Newsgroups
are not Forums


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In news:aua1g45bih455unfaqesniif2eafrjjggg@4ax.com,
mymaul@hotmail.co.uk <mymaul@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:38:55 +0100, "Graham." <me@privacy.net> wrote:
:
: >
: >"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
: >news:mn.796c7d8a09efe0ab.88534@blueyonder.invalid ...
: >> Graham. used his keyboard to write :
: >>> small "f"
: >
: >Ivor Jones never misses an opportunity to remind us that Usenet
: >Newsgroups are not Forums
: Ivor never misses an opportunity to remind us that Sipgate are the
: greatest .

I don't recall doing either of those things in this thread.

Ivor