Any voip.co.uk users suffering from call routing problems?

I've recently started using voip.co.uk - and selected the 01926 area code
for my voip numbers - which is consistent with where I live.

However, I can't receive any incoming calls from outside the voip system
(e.g. from a BT line or mobile) but get an unobtainable tone from a BT phone
and "Number not in use" from a mobile.

Voip.co.uk have known about the problem for over two weeks but don't seem to
have been able to fix it in that time. It's apparently some sort of routing
problem - akin to DNS in internet terms - and some vital pointer is missing.
[As a temporary measure, they have given me an extra number with a different
area code (01223 - Cambridge) and that works fine - but it's not easy to
explain to people why they need to dial a Cambridge number to reach me in
Warwick!]

Anyone know whether this sort of thing is a common problem - and/or how to
get voip.co.uk to put a bit more urge into fixing it? They (or rather
Chris - is he a one-man band?) say that the routing tables are maintained by
people over whom they have no control.
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Cheers,
Roger
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Roger Mills wrote:
> I've recently started using voip.co.uk - and selected the 01926 area code
> for my voip numbers - which is consistent with where I live.
>
> However, I can't receive any incoming calls from outside the voip system
> (e.g. from a BT line or mobile) but get an unobtainable tone from a BT phone
> and "Number not in use" from a mobile.
>
> Voip.co.uk have known about the problem for over two weeks but don't seem to
> have been able to fix it in that time. It's apparently some sort of routing
> problem - akin to DNS in internet terms - and some vital pointer is missing.
> [As a temporary measure, they have given me an extra number with a different
> area code (01223 - Cambridge) and that works fine - but it's not easy to
> explain to people why they need to dial a Cambridge number to reach me in
> Warwick!]
>
> Anyone know whether this sort of thing is a common problem - and/or how to
> get voip.co.uk to put a bit more urge into fixing it? They (or rather
> Chris - is he a one-man band?) say that the routing tables are maintained by
> people over whom they have no control.

Same thing happened with a work colleague when she signed up with
voip.co.uk, she was their first customer to take a Walsall (01922)
number. She reported the problem to voip.co.uk who initially said it
wasn't an issue with their systems as everything was set up properly,
but all the mobile companies and Virginmedia said the fault lay with voip.

It turned out the problem was with their routing (or rather the company
that issues voip.co.uk's numbers), once they diagnosed the problem it
was resolved within a day. The number range hadn't been updated
correctly on their carriers switches. I believe Chris dealt with that
one too.

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.ed777d78a0331970.48968@blueyonder.invalid

[snip]

: : I had issues similar to what you describe with a
: : Sipgate number.
: :
: : Calls from BT/Orange/Vodafone all failed with
: : unobtainable.
: :
: : I could call perfectly well if I used my BT line with
: : the 1899 prefix.
: :
: : BT & Vodafone eventually started working after a few
: : days (I had reported it as a fault with each of them)
: :
: : Orange took over three weeks to fix - I eventually got
: : a call from NTL to say they'd fixed the problem - I
: : haven't got an NTL line, BTW.
: :
: : Absolutely nothing to do with Sipgate.

Ssshh..! Don't tell Ron..!

Ivor

(Sorry, couldn't resist..!)

In message of Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Ivor Jones writes
>"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
>news:mn.ed777d78a0331970.48968@blueyonder.inval id
>[snip]
>
>: : I had issues similar to what you describe with a
>: : Sipgate number. Calls from BT/Orange/Vodafone all failed with
>: : unobtainable. I could call perfectly well if I used my BT line
>: :with
>: : the 1899 prefix. BT & Vodafone eventually started working after a
>: :few
>: : days (I had reported it as a fault with each of them)
>: : Orange took over three weeks to fix - I eventually got
>: : a call from NTL to say they'd fixed the problem - I
>: : haven't got an NTL line, BTW. Absolutely nothing to do with
>: :Sipgate.
>
>Ssshh..! Don't tell Ron..!
>
>Ivor
>
>(Sorry, couldn't resist..!)
>

Well it's about time you grew up and learned to resist. Most of the
trouble in this newsgroup is because of you goading him, or you taking
the bait. Just learn to ignore him.

I'm making a statement not asking a question, so there is no need for
you to reply.

DF

"David Floyd" <david@floyd.org.uk> wrote in message
news:RScrgdAtQo1GFwJt@127.0.0.1
: : In message of Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Ivor Jones writes

[snip]

: : : (Sorry, couldn't resist..!)
: :
: : Well it's about time you grew up and learned to resist.
: : Most of the trouble in this newsgroup is because of you
: : goading him, or you taking the bait.

Or (just possibly) him goading me.

: : Just learn to ignore him.

I cannot and will not ignore someone when they are attacking me
personally. Why didn't *you* ignore me..?

: : I'm making a statement not asking a question, so there
: : is no need for you to reply.

Sorry, but I have to. You make a statement that concerns me so I must
address it.

Ivor

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:19:20 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>Ssshh..! Don't tell Ron..!
>
>Ivor
>
>(Sorry, couldn't resist..!)

And herein lies the problem that is killing this newsgroup.

You are as bad as he is.

Pathetic.


Ed.

"Ed Straker" <ed@shado.moon.com> wrote in message
news:3o9ed3dnujlbnmeja4fq45pop2l7j31anu@news.indiv idual.de
: : On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:19:20 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : Ssshh..! Don't tell Ron..!
: : :
: : : Ivor
: : :
: : : (Sorry, couldn't resist..!)
: :
: : And herein lies the problem that is killing this
: : newsgroup.
: :
: : You are as bad as he is.
: :
: : Pathetic.

In your opinion. *I* was attempting humour, he does not, he is deadly
serious.

But at least I don't complain at you for expressing your opinion.


Ivor

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:48:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>In your opinion. *I* was attempting humour, he does not, he is deadly
>serious.

I'll say this, although I am probably wasting my time.

As the person who started this (otherwise) excellent newsgroup, you
should be big enough to ignore the ramblings of a total fool.


Ed.

"Ed Straker" <ed@shado.moon.com> wrote in message
news:alhfd3hi62hsbvqi28rvs4itapoalmb8u6@news.indiv idual.de
: : On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:48:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : In your opinion. *I* was attempting humour, he does
: : : not, he is deadly serious.
: :
: : I'll say this, although I am probably wasting my time.
: :
: : As the person who started this (otherwise) excellent
: : newsgroup, you should be big enough to ignore the
: : ramblings of a total fool.

I do ignore them. But I reserve the right to comment on them or even joke
about them. There's a difference.

Ivor

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:58:27 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>I do ignore them. But I reserve the right to comment on them or even joke
>about them. There's a difference.

As we all do.

However, the difference you mention above frequently leads to a
slanging match between yourself and the 'group fool'. This is what
reduces the value of this group and makes people 'switch off'.

My sincere advice is to completely ignore him and not comment. Trolls
usually move on when there is no food, and even if he doesn't, let him
have his life of solitude and ignore his pathetic grammar and lack of
a real knowledge of VOIP and it's providers.

Ed.

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5jq3hrFp7koU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Ed Straker" <ed@shado.moon.com> wrote in message
> news:alhfd3hi62hsbvqi28rvs4itapoalmb8u6@news.indiv idual.de
> : : On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:48:14 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> : : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> : :
> : : : In your opinion. *I* was attempting humour, he does
> : : : not, he is deadly serious.
> : :
> : : I'll say this, although I am probably wasting my time.
> : :
> : : As the person who started this (otherwise) excellent
> : : newsgroup, you should be big enough to ignore the
> : : ramblings of a total fool.
>
> I do ignore them. But I reserve the right to comment on them or even joke
> about them. There's a difference.
>
> Ivor

There's no difference if yet another thread is hijacked by an argument
worthy of a school playground.

The feuds between you two are a real turnoff and it's just a shame that we
all have to scan something that is essentially nothing to do with the
subject matter of the newsgroup.

Stick to the positive contributions you both make and the group will be a
lot more readable!

Roger Mills wrote:
> I've recently started using voip.co.uk - and selected the 01926 area code
> for my voip numbers - which is consistent with where I live.
>
> However, I can't receive any incoming calls from outside the voip system
> (e.g. from a BT line or mobile) but get an unobtainable tone from a BT phone
> and "Number not in use" from a mobile.
>
> Voip.co.uk have known about the problem for over two weeks but don't seem to
> have been able to fix it in that time. It's apparently some sort of routing
> problem - akin to DNS in internet terms - and some vital pointer is missing.
> [As a temporary measure, they have given me an extra number with a different
> area code (01223 - Cambridge) and that works fine - but it's not easy to
> explain to people why they need to dial a Cambridge number to reach me in
> Warwick!]
>
> Anyone know whether this sort of thing is a common problem - and/or how to
> get voip.co.uk to put a bit more urge into fixing it? They (or rather
> Chris - is he a one-man band?) say that the routing tables are maintained by
> people over whom they have no control.

Yes,

We had this when we first setup an Asterisk server connected to
voip.co.uk about a year or so ago. We have 30 offices in various
locations along the South Coast and up to Cambridgeshire and we had a
handful that could not ring our new IT support number - they got a
recorded message or their calls just went nowhere. It took voip.co.uk
about 7-10 days to sort it out.

"Herman" <whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
message news:5G0Ci.41981$S91.22036@newsfe7-win.ntli.net

[snip]

: : The feuds between you two are a real turnoff and it's
: : just a shame that we all have to scan something that is
: : essentially nothing to do with the subject matter of
: : the newsgroup.

He started the argument and only he can finish it. It is out of my hands.
I cannot and will not ignore personal insults. Address your complaints to
him.

Ivor

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5jrtcpF11grdU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Herman" <whhitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:5G0Ci.41981$S91.22036@newsfe7-win.ntli.net
>
> [snip]
>
> : : The feuds between you two are a real turnoff and it's
> : : just a shame that we all have to scan something that is
> : : essentially nothing to do with the subject matter of
> : : the newsgroup.
>
> He started the argument and only he can finish it. It is out of my hands.
> I cannot and will not ignore personal insults. Address your complaints to
> him.
>
> Ivor
>
Ivor
sorry but this isn't a sesnible attitude to take and is worthy of your
opponent. You do have some very positive contributions to make, and
obviously you put the effort in to get this group off the ground but people
are now considering putting you in their killfile - and then Rons won. That
would be a very sorry state of affairs. No-one else on here believes the
insults so do like the rest of us and ignore them please .
Roger.

"Roger" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:QvydnSs8y-yHrkTbRVnyvgA@bt.com

[snip]

: : sorry but this isn't a sesnible attitude to take and is
: : worthy of your opponent. You do have some very positive
: : contributions to make, and obviously you put the effort
: : in to get this group off the ground but people are now
: : considering putting you in their killfile - and then
: : Rons won. That would be a very sorry state of affairs.
: : No-one else on here believes the insults so do like the
: : rest of us and ignore them please .
: : Roger.

I can't help it if you don't think it's sensible. The fact remains that
only the person who started the argument can finish it. Understand that or
not as you choose. If you want to killfile me go ahead, I can't stop you,
but I will continue to defend myself against personal attack whether you
like it or not.

I do not propose to comment further (unless you attack me personally, that
is).

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:

> "Roger" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:QvydnSs8y-yHrkTbRVnyvgA@bt.com
>
> [snip]
>
> : : sorry but this isn't a sesnible attitude to take and is
> : : worthy of your opponent. You do have some very positive
> : : contributions to make, and obviously you put the effort
> : : in to get this group off the ground but people are now
> : : considering putting you in their killfile - and then
> : : Rons won. That would be a very sorry state of affairs.
> : : No-one else on here believes the insults so do like the
> : : rest of us and ignore them please .
> : : Roger.
>
> I can't help it if you don't think it's sensible. The fact remains that
> only the person who started the argument can finish it.

Do you think that's justification for poisoning this thread with your petty
little dispute?

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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5jstr2F14vriU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Roger" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:QvydnSs8y-yHrkTbRVnyvgA@bt.com
>
> [snip]
>
> : : sorry but this isn't a sesnible attitude to take and is
> : : worthy of your opponent. You do have some very positive
> : : contributions to make, and obviously you put the effort
> : : in to get this group off the ground but people are now
> : : considering putting you in their killfile - and then
> : : Rons won. That would be a very sorry state of affairs.
> : : No-one else on here believes the insults so do like the
> : : rest of us and ignore them please .
> : : Roger.
>
> I can't help it if you don't think it's sensible. The fact remains that
> only the person who started the argument can finish it. Understand that or
> not as you choose. If you want to killfile me go ahead, I can't stop you,
> but I will continue to defend myself against personal attack whether you
> like it or not.
>
> I do not propose to comment further (unless you attack me personally, that
> is).
>
> Ivor
>
This will be my last comment on this matter

1) I didnt say "I dont think its sensible" I said "It isnt sensible"
2)"Only the person who started the arguement can finish it" isnt a fact its
an emotional response
3) I didnt say I wanted to killfile you - I was referring to the earlier
emails in the thread

On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:19:01 +0100, "Roger" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>

>
>1) I didnt say "I dont think its sensible" I said "It isnt sensible"
>2)"Only the person who started the arguement can finish it" isnt a fact its
>an emotional response
>3) I didnt say I wanted to killfile you - I was referring to the earlier
>emails in the thread
Perhaps if we all went round, picked Ivor's rattle up and put it back
in the pram for him?

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Linker3000 <linker3000@google-mailnohyphen.com> wrote:

> Roger Mills wrote:
>> I've recently started using voip.co.uk - and selected the 01926 area
>> code for my voip numbers - which is consistent with where I live.
>>
>> However, I can't receive any incoming calls from outside the voip
>> system (e.g. from a BT line or mobile) but get an unobtainable tone
>> from a BT phone and "Number not in use" from a mobile.
>>
>> Voip.co.uk have known about the problem for over two weeks but don't
>> seem to have been able to fix it in that time. It's apparently some
>> sort of routing problem - akin to DNS in internet terms - and some
>> vital pointer is missing. [As a temporary measure, they have given
>> me an extra number with a different area code (01223 - Cambridge)
>> and that works fine - but it's not easy to explain to people why
>> they need to dial a Cambridge number to reach me in Warwick!]
>>
>> Anyone know whether this sort of thing is a common problem - and/or
>> how to get voip.co.uk to put a bit more urge into fixing it? They
>> (or rather Chris - is he a one-man band?) say that the routing tables are
>> maintained by people over whom they have no control.
>
> Yes,
>
> We had this when we first setup an Asterisk server connected to
> voip.co.uk about a year or so ago. We have 30 offices in various
> locations along the South Coast and up to Cambridgeshire and we had a
> handful that could not ring our new IT support number - they got a
> recorded message or their calls just went nowhere. It took voip.co.uk
> about 7-10 days to sort it out.

Thanks - yours is the first reply for several days which has actually been
relevant to the subject!

Any others?
--
Cheers,
Roger
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"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:12665618.LnZXO0OHGU@ale.cx
: : Ivor Jones wrote:

[snip]

: : : I can't help it if you don't think it's sensible. The
: : : fact remains that only the person who started the
: : : argument can finish it.
: :
: : Do you think that's justification for poisoning this
: : thread with your petty little dispute?

I didn't. The person who responded to my admittedly poor attempt at a joke
did.

Ivor

"Roger" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:quSdna6vANcs10TbnZ2dnUVZ8sWhnZ2d@bt.com
: : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
: : news:5jstr2F14vriU1@mid.individual.net...
: : : "Roger" <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: : : news:QvydnSs8y-yHrkTbRVnyvgA@bt.com
: : :
: : : [snip]
: : :
: : : : : sorry but this isn't a sesnible attitude to take
: : : : : and is worthy of your opponent. You do have some
: : : : : very positive contributions to make, and
: : : : : obviously you put the effort in to get this group
: : : : : off the ground but people are now considering
: : : : : putting you in their killfile - and then Rons
: : : : : won. That would be a very sorry state of affairs.
: : : : : No-one else on here believes the insults so do
: : : : : like the rest of us and ignore them please .
: : : : : Roger.
: : :
: : : I can't help it if you don't think it's sensible. The
: : : fact remains that only the person who started the
: : : argument can finish it. Understand that or not as you
: : : choose. If you want to killfile me go ahead, I can't
: : : stop you, but I will continue to defend myself
: : : against personal attack whether you like it or not.
: : :
: : : I do not propose to comment further (unless you
: : : attack me personally, that is).
: : :
: : : Ivor
: : :
: : This will be my last comment on this matter
: :
: : 1) I didnt say "I dont think its sensible" I said "It isnt sensible"

So you can decide what another person considers sensible..? I don't think
so.

: : 2)"Only the person who started the arguement can finish it" isnt a
fact its an emotional response

But a fact nonetheless.

: : 3) I didnt say I wanted to killfile you - I was referring to the
earlier emails in the thread

Ok. But it's irrelevant anyway.


Ivor

"chappycheeky" <chappycheapy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:adrid31bpvdn1a75abkmndi837m4bcmtg0@4ax.com
: : On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:19:01 +0100, "Roger"
: : <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote:

: : : 1) I didnt say "I dont think its sensible" I said "It
: : : isnt sensible" 2)"Only the person who started the
: : : arguement can finish it" isnt a fact its an emotional
: : : response 3) I didnt say I wanted to killfile you - I
: : : was referring to the earlier emails in the thread

: : Perhaps if we all went round, picked Ivor's rattle up
: : and put it back in the pram for him?

A poor attempt at humour. It isn't my rattle anyway, it's Ron's.

Ivor

<mymail@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6u6jd3hrrbd7kud07f6f8d1ccbpa6segks@4ax.com
: : On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:35:52 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : "chappycheeky" <chappycheapy@hotmail.com> wrote in
: : : message
: : : news:adrid31bpvdn1a75abkmndi837m4bcmtg0@4ax.com
: : : : : On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:19:01 +0100, "Roger"
: : : : : <roger_barrett@yahoo.com> wrote:
: : :
: : : : : : 1) I didnt say "I dont think its sensible" I
: : : : : : said "It isnt sensible" 2)"Only the person who
: : : : : : started the arguement can finish it" isnt a
: : : : : : fact its an emotional response 3) I didnt say I
: : : : : : wanted to killfile you - I was referring to the
: : : : : : earlier emails in the thread
: : :
: : : : : Perhaps if we all went round, picked Ivor's
: : : : : rattle up and put it back in the pram for him?
: : :
: : : A poor attempt at humour. It isn't my rattle anyway,
: : : it's Ron's.
: : :
: : : Ivor
: : Get real Ivor I don't go on and on about spammers here
: : YOU DO.

Because they spam.

: : I do not sing the prases and virtues of Sipgate you do.

No, I recommend a service I find useful.

: : I do not state here that I am NOT a European YOU DO.

True, because I am not.

: : So get real YOU ARE a European

No.

: :YOU ARE stupid

Pot, kettle, black.

: : when you
: : insist on backing up to the hilt a voip provider that
: : is not even worthy of ever being mentioned in this
: : group.

So don't mention them.

: :You are even more stupid when you persuade
: : others to join Sipgate by saying how wonderful they are
: : like you did when I first asked two years or so ago but
: : it didn't take me long to find out you where damn well
: : lying .

Be careful Ron, you are bordering on libel.

: : Had it been for me never to tar all with the same brush

!!!

: : I would never have taken any notice of the guy who
: : first posted in another group regarding voip.co.uk and
: : voipfone.co.uk .


Ivor

In message <6u6jd3hrrbd7kud07f6f8d1ccbpa6segks@4ax.com>
mymail@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

> So get real YOU ARE a European YOU ARE stupid when you insist on
> backing up to the hilt a voip provider that is not even worthy of ever
> being mentioned in this group. You are even more stupid when you
> persuade others to join Sipgate by saying how wonderful they are
> like you did when I first asked two years or so ago but it didn't take
> me long to find out you where damn well lying .

No, YOU are the liar. You refer to Sipgate as "not even worthy of
ever being mentioned in this group." That's one lie.

You accuse Ivor of lying about Sipgate's quality as a VoIP service
provider. He wasn't lying. Your accusation, therefore, that he
was lying, is a second lie from you.

I don't mind you being a little twit; there are plenty of them
around, after all. But when you spread lies in a public news
group: someone has to expose you for the liar you are. OK, I'll
stand up and be counted among those who will.

Dave

On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:33:03 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>I didn't. The person who responded to my admittedly poor attempt at a joke
>did.

As that person, my intentions were to attempt to stop you making a
further fool of yourself and to stop you continuing to drag this
newsgroup into the pits.

Looks like I failed on both counts.

I also stated that I would probably be wasting my time. At least I got
that part right.

Leopard and spots spring to mind.

Have a nice day.


Ed.

"Ed Straker" <ed@shado.moon.com> wrote in message
news:nqcld3lfbhr8nq70vc2unmp5jriuat2c5p@news.indiv idual.de
: : On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:33:03 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : I didn't. The person who responded to my admittedly
: : : poor attempt at a joke did.
: :
: : As that person, my intentions were to attempt to stop
: : you making a further fool of yourself and to stop you
: : continuing to drag this newsgroup into the pits.

I am not the one dragging this group anywhere. I don't see you replying to
Mr. Chew in the same way that you do to me.

: : Looks like I failed on both counts.

Not at all. I am not making a fool of myself (and even if I were it is no
business of yours) nor am I dragging this group anywhere. Speak to Ron.

: : I also stated that I would probably be wasting my time.
: : At least I got that part right.

Correct.

: : Leopard and spots spring to mind.

If you say so.

: : Have a nice day.

Please don't spout Americanisms.

Ivor

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:01:46 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

>I am not the one dragging this group anywhere. I don't see you replying to
>Mr. Chew in the same way that you do to me.

Perhaps that was because I thought there was some hope for you. Once
again, I see I was wasting my time as you are clearly of the same
stock as 'Ron the fool'.

Have a nice life.


Ed.

"Ed Straker" <ed@shado.moon.com> wrote in message
news:okend3heqmrc8lerqo4g3l4s17tsu3t6am@news.indiv idual.de
: : On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:01:46 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
: :
: : : I am not the one dragging this group anywhere. I
: : : don't see you replying to Mr. Chew in the same way
: : : that you do to me.
: :
: : Perhaps that was because I thought there was some hope
: : for you. Once again, I see I was wasting my time as you
: : are clearly of the same stock as 'Ron the fool'.

Ah, now you are throwing insults. Maybe it is you who are of the same
stock.

: : Have a nice life.

I intend to, but not with you ordering me to. You could say "I hope you
have a nice life" but telling me to is somewhat arrogant.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
> "Ed Straker" <ed@shado.moon.com> wrote in message
> news:okend3heqmrc8lerqo4g3l4s17tsu3t6am@news.indiv idual.de
> : : On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:01:46 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> : : <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
> : :
> : : : I am not the one dragging this group anywhere. I
> : : : don't see you replying to Mr. Chew in the same way
> : : : that you do to me.
> : :
> : : Perhaps that was because I thought there was some hope
> : : for you. Once again, I see I was wasting my time as you
> : : are clearly of the same stock as 'Ron the fool'.
>
> Ah, now you are throwing insults. Maybe it is you who are of the same
> stock.
>
> : : Have a nice life.
>
> I intend to, but not with you ordering me to. You could say "I hope you
> have a nice life" but telling me to is somewhat arrogant.
>
> Ivor
>

Ivor, in all honesty, can you not see what an utter prat you're making
of yourself?

You and I have crossed words before, and I was so exasperated with you
then, that I killfiled you together with that unfortunate individual who
should be pitied rather than reviled. This is a new mail/news a/c for
me, and I'd really rather not killfile anyone who has a genuine
contribution to make.

Please do try to ignore those who goad and troll you. They are unable
to help themselves. You, however,can.

"cybuerke" <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:fbhaet$oce$1@energise.enta.net

[snip]

: : Ivor, in all honesty, can you not see what an utter
: : prat you're making of yourself?

It is irrelevant what you think of me. It is irrelevant what anyone thinks
of me. I don't care. Calling me a prat achieves nothing.

: : You and I have crossed words before, and I was so
: : exasperated with you then, that I killfiled you
: : together with that unfortunate individual who should be
: : pitied rather than reviled. This is a new mail/news
: : a/c for me, and I'd really rather not killfile anyone
: : who has a genuine contribution to make.

It makes no difference to me what you do. Killfile me or not, as you
choose. I just wish Ron Chew would.

: : Please do try to ignore those who goad and troll you.
: : They are unable to help themselves. You, however,can.

I can, certainly. However if I am personally attacked I *will* defend
myself. Live with it or not, you have that choice.

Ivor