Call diversion to a foreign number

#1 (**permalink**) 08-07-2005, 07:39 PM

I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
Call diversion on the normal PSTN is done by the Telco (NTL in my case) and
so I cannot save on the second leg of the call because I cannot route it
over the alternative telecomm service providers ( Call 1899, Telediscount
etc). How does this work with VoIP? Would I make a saving if I could and
did divert calls to a foreign country landline or mobile number, in
particular Czech republic?
Thanks
Roman

#2 (**permalink**) 08-07-2005, 08:47 PM

r_mervart wrote:
> I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
> Call diversion on the normal PSTN is done by the Telco (NTL in my case) and
> so I cannot save on the second leg of the call because I cannot route it
> over the alternative telecomm service providers ( Call 1899, Telediscount
> etc). How does this work with VoIP? Would I make a saving if I could and
> did divert calls to a foreign country landline or mobile number, in
> particular Czech republic?
> Thanks
> Roman
>
>
Depends how much traffic you are expecting.. voipfone.co.uk charge 2.3p
a min to Czech Republic...or you can buy minutes and its 1p per min.

You can then divert landline to the 056 number they provide... Or get
people to call the 056 number

#3 (**permalink**) 08-07-2005, 10:36 PM

"r_mervart" <r_mervart@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
> Call diversion on the normal PSTN is done by the Telco (NTL in my case)
> and
> so I cannot save on the second leg of the call because I cannot route it
> over the alternative telecomm service providers ( Call 1899, Telediscount
> etc). How does this work with VoIP? Would I make a saving if I could and
> did divert calls to a foreign country landline or mobile number, in
> particular Czech republic?
> Thanks
> Roman
>

Interestingly, I was hoping to add a South African tel number to my
"simultaneous ring" list of numbers on vonage. The call via Vonage to SA
would be cheaper than picking up calls on my UK mobile whilst there.

Unfortunately, Vonage don't let you add non-UK numbers to the "simultaneous
ring" list.

I am sure there are others who will tell you their favoured voip provider
does do this ... and so begins another playground argument <g>

--
John Blessing

#4 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 09:18 AM

"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> r_mervart wrote:
> > Would I make a saving if I could and
> > did divert calls to a foreign country landline or mobile number, in
> > particular Czech republic?
> > Thanks
> > Roman
> >
> >
> Depends how much traffic you are expecting.. voipfone.co.uk charge 2.3p
> a min to Czech Republic...or you can buy minutes and its 1p per min.
>
> You can then divert landline to the 056 number they provide... Or get
> people to call the 056 number

What I need is an option to divert calls made to my UK number (possibly new
VoIP number) to my standard Czech Telecom landline number while I am there.
I do not have broadband in Czech republic.
Roman

#5 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 10:42 AM

r_mervart wrote:
> "Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd5og1$s4e$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
>>r_mervart wrote:
>>
>>>Would I make a saving if I could and
>>>did divert calls to a foreign country landline or mobile number, in
>>>particular Czech republic?
>>>Thanks
>>>Roman
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Depends how much traffic you are expecting.. voipfone.co.uk charge 2.3p
>>a min to Czech Republic...or you can buy minutes and its 1p per min.
>>
>>You can then divert landline to the 056 number they provide... Or get
>>people to call the 056 number
>
>
> What I need is an option to divert calls made to my UK number (possibly new
> VoIP number) to my standard Czech Telecom landline number while I am there.
> I do not have broadband in Czech republic.
> Roman
>
>
Yes, i understand this.

I am saying if you topup with voipfone.co.uk, put £10 on.......You will
be issued a 05600 number, divert your landline calls to this...Costing
same as standard call on landline (i think) 5.5p for a hour in the
evening / weekend.

Then Divert your 056 number to your number in Czech Republic... voipfone
will charge 2.3p a min.

I'm not sure how much BT charge for a straight divert to Czech Rep...
But this is probably checper

#6 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 11:11 AM

"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I am saying if you topup with voipfone.co.uk, put £10 on.......You will
> be issued a 05600 number, divert your landline calls to this...Costing
> same as standard call on landline (i think) 5.5p for a hour in the
> evening / weekend.
>
> Then Divert your 056 number to your number in Czech Republic... voipfone
> will charge 2.3p a min.
>
> I'm not sure how much BT charge for a straight divert to Czech Rep...
> But this is probably checper

I am on NTL and they charge 20p/min at any time for calls to Czech landline
(40p/min mobile) and so that would be cost to me for the direct divert plus
£1.75/month for the divert facility. On my basic tariff NTL charges to me
for UK calls 3/2/1 p/min so adding 2.3p/min. would make it cheaper than
diverting direct.
Thanks
Roman

#7 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 11:22 AM

r_mervart wrote:
> "Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dd79eb$ath$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
>
>
>>I am saying if you topup with voipfone.co.uk, put £10 on.......You will
>>be issued a 05600 number, divert your landline calls to this...Costing
>>same as standard call on landline (i think) 5.5p for a hour in the
>>evening / weekend.
>>
>>Then Divert your 056 number to your number in Czech Republic... voipfone
>>will charge 2.3p a min.
>>
>>I'm not sure how much BT charge for a straight divert to Czech Rep...
>>But this is probably checper
>
>
> I am on NTL and they charge 20p/min at any time for calls to Czech landline
> (40p/min mobile) and so that would be cost to me for the direct divert plus
> £1.75/month for the divert facility. On my basic tariff NTL charges to me
> for UK calls 3/2/1 p/min so adding 2.3p/min. would make it cheaper than
> diverting direct.
> Thanks
> Roman
>
>
>

Also, you can buy minutes £4.99 for 500, £9.99 for 1000..etc... So it's
only 1p per min.

Make sure you can dial the 056 numbers from NTL... Email me if you wish
to try my number. (remove NOSPAM)

#8 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 12:26 PM

r_mervart wrote:
> I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.

try www.voipuser.org

#9 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 12:31 PM

"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> r_mervart wrote:
>> I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
>
> try www.voipuser.org

TRY A REPUTABLE SERVICE SUCH AS VONAGE WHO will still be around in another
10 years

#10 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 01:32 PM

Stefan Kaniuk wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:SL6dnX5za_jQ3GrfRVnygw@pipex.net...
> > r_mervart wrote:
> >> I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
> >
> > try www.voipuser.org
>
> TRY A REPUTABLE SERVICE SUCH AS VONAGE WHO will still be around in another
> 10 years

I spoted this while searching the net for info about vonage

Jeffrey A. Citron the CEO of Vonage was indicted for Securities Fraud
in 2003 http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-5.htm

Mat

#11 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 02:02 PM

"Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Stefan Kaniuk wrote:
>> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:SL6dnX5za_jQ3GrfRVnygw@pipex.net...
>> > r_mervart wrote:
>> >> I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
>> >
>> > try www.voipuser.org
>>
>> TRY A REPUTABLE SERVICE SUCH AS VONAGE WHO will still be around in
>> another
>> 10 years
>
> I spoted this while searching the net for info about vonage
>
> Jeffrey A. Citron the CEO of Vonage was indicted for Securities Fraud
> in 2003 http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-5.htm
>
> Mat
>

hmmm interesting but that doesnt or isnt relevant to the running of the
company today.

#12 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 02:03 PM

"Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Stefan Kaniuk wrote:
>> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:SL6dnX5za_jQ3GrfRVnygw@pipex.net...
>> > r_mervart wrote:
>> >> I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
>> >
>> > try www.voipuser.org
>>
>> TRY A REPUTABLE SERVICE SUCH AS VONAGE WHO will still be around in
>> another
>> 10 years
>
> I spoted this while searching the net for info about vonage
>
> Jeffrey A. Citron the CEO of Vonage was indicted for Securities Fraud
> in 2003 http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-5.htm
>
> Mat
>

also there is absolutely no mention of the connection between mr citron and
vonage--im sure their is more than one person called mr citron in the us.

#13 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 03:01 PM

Stefan Kaniuk wrote:
> "Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1123504368.132255.240250@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Stefan Kaniuk wrote:
> >> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:SL6dnX5za_jQ3GrfRVnygw@pipex.net...
> >> > r_mervart wrote:
> >> >> I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
> >> >
> >> > try www.voipuser.org
> >>
> >> TRY A REPUTABLE SERVICE SUCH AS VONAGE WHO will still be around in
> >> another
> >> 10 years
> >
> > I spoted this while searching the net for info about vonage
> >
> > Jeffrey A. Citron the CEO of Vonage was indicted for Securities Fraud
> > in 2003 http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-5.htm
> >
> > Mat
> >
>
> hmmm interesting but that doesnt or isnt relevant to the running of the
> company today.

I did not want to post the link where i found this info but here you go
http://damienkatz.net/2005/04/fuck_vonage.html

Mat

#14 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 03:12 PM

"Mathew Curtis" <mathew.j.curtis@gmail.com> wrote
> I did not want to post the link where i found this info but here you go
> http://damienkatz.net/2005/04/fuck_vonage.html
>
> Mat
>

thanks for that--im still 100% happy with the service but that looks an
interesting read just for fun i suppose. Thanks.

#15 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 03:47 PM

<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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had the
> hassle and yes I am still 100% happy also Stefan .

yes but dex did you get another vonage router sent to you, im unclear now
wether you actually still use vonage.

#16 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 03:49 PM

<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message

>>> http://damienkatz.net/2005/04/fuck_vonage.html
>>>

its a very inetersting site though isnt it, it would seem those americans
have more issues than us uk based vonage users do but the fact remains they
still have far more satisified customers than those ones who complain, thers
always bound to be a few moaners and naggers if the slightest thing goes
wrong isnt their????? .

#17 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 03:56 PM

"Big Boy UK :-)" <BigBoyUK@BigBoyuk.netuk> wrote in message
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>
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>
>
>>>> http://damienkatz.net/2005/04/fuck_vonage.html
>>>>
>
>
> its a very inetersting site though isnt it, it would seem those
> americans have more issues than us uk based vonage users do but the fact
> remains they still have far more satisified customers than those ones
> who complain, thers always bound to be a few moaners and naggers if the
> slightest thing goes wrong isnt their????? .

Exactly. Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers also, I'm not the only
one you know ;-)

You always hear more from the moaners (cue Dex and the other one who's now
in my killfile)

Ivor

#18 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 04:04 PM

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Big Boy UK :-)" <BigBoyUK@BigBoyuk.netuk> wrote in message
> news:ciKJe.3574$jq6.2759@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...
>
>><Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>http://damienkatz.net/2005/04/fuck_vonage.html
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>its a very inetersting site though isnt it, it would seem those
>>americans have more issues than us uk based vonage users do but the fact
>>remains they still have far more satisified customers than those ones
>>who complain, thers always bound to be a few moaners and naggers if the
>>slightest thing goes wrong isnt their????? .
>
>
> Exactly. Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers also, I'm not the only
> one you know ;-)
>
> You always hear more from the moaners (cue Dex and the other one who's now
> in my killfile)
>
> Ivor
>
>
Sipgate seems a good CHEAP service. To me... Limited services... Cheap
Calls.

Took 50 seconds before PSTN calls would ring out earlier.

Takes about 5 normally. Whereas most other providors i have used ring
straight away.

#19 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 04:14 PM

<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:56:18 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Exactly. Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers also, I'm not the
>>only
>>one you know ;-)

> Don't seem many contributing to this group Ivor .

That's always the way. You always hear more from the complainers. Doesn't
mean satisfied customers don't exist.

Ivor

#20 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:09 PM

Stefan Kaniuk wrote:
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:SL6dnX5za_jQ3GrfRVnygw@pipex.net...
>
>>r_mervart wrote:
>>
>>>I apologise if the answer to my question is the general knowledge.
>>
>>try www.voipuser.org
>
>
> TRY A REPUTABLE SERVICE SUCH AS VONAGE WHO will still be around in another
> 10 years

Are you willing to put money on that?

#21 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:09 PM

<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:56:18 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Exactly. Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers also, I'm not the only
>>one you know ;-)
> Don't seem many contributing to this group Ivor .

here,here there are many more complaints about sipgate than prais on here
ivor, i wonder how much your retainer is to promote them so massively on
thsi and other forums

#22 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:10 PM

<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:14:37 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>><Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:letef193me051e2vcfo3757g521tqmcerc@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:56:18 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Exactly. Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers also, I'm not the
>>>>only
>>>>one you know ;-)
>>
>>> Don't seem many contributing to this group Ivor .
>>
>>That's always the way. You always hear more from the complainers. Doesn't
>>mean satisfied customers don't exist.
>>
>>Ivor
>>
> SO ! if you are saying " Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers
> also" how do you know that they have ????????????????!!!!!!!! if they
> are not posting here .
>

come on ivor your quick to put your bit in but never,vere once have you been
seen to back up your wild claims about reliability and any other satisified
customers now have you

#23 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:11 PM

"Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in s
>
> Are you willing to put money on that?

indeed i am yes, the fact that i also have recently purchased some stock in
vonage, albeit a very small amount , clearly indicates my commitmnet to the
company now doesnt it.

Hhave you tried them, do you know anything about them????????

You base your deluded comment on what excatly Mike

#24 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:11 PM

Ivor Jones wrote:
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:letef193me051e2vcfo3757g521tqmcerc@4ax.com...
>
>>On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:56:18 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>><ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Exactly. Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers also, I'm not the
>>>only
>>>one you know ;-)
>
>
>>Don't seem many contributing to this group Ivor .
>
>
> That's always the way. You always hear more from the complainers. Doesn't
> mean satisfied customers don't exist.

I'm writing this so I must exist. I am also a happy Sipgate customer.

#25 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:14 PM

"Big Boy UK :-)" <BigBoyUK@BigBoyuk.netuk> wrote in message
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>
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:87vef1ldh43bfr55q3qn0kcn7r7oc9ji5g@4ax.com...

[snip]

>> SO ! if you are saying " Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers
>> also" how do you know that they have ????????????????!!!!!!!! if they
>> are not posting here .
>>
>
> come on ivor your quick to put your bit in but never,vere once have you
> been seen to back up your wild claims about reliability and any other
> satisified customers now have you

It stands to reason. There must be thousands of users on the system and
only a handful post here. Or do you think there are only 20 or so
customers on the entire Sipgate user base..?

Ivor

#26 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:17 PM

"Big Boy UK :-)" <BigBoyUK@BigBoyuk.netuk> wrote in message
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>
> <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:letef193me051e2vcfo3757g521tqmcerc@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:56:18 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Exactly. Sipgate have plenty of satisfied customers also, I'm not the
>>>only
>>>one you know ;-)
>> Don't seem many contributing to this group Ivor .
>
> here,here there are many more complaints about sipgate than prais on
> here ivor, i wonder how much your retainer is to promote them so
> massively on thsi and other forums

I don't know Stefan, what do you think..? Don't bother replying this name
has also just gone into the killfile.

(Tip - change your IP address as well as your username if you want to
troll, although there are other ways to tell)

Ivor

#27 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:19 PM

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> only a handful post here. Or do you think there are only 20 or so
> customers on the entire Sipgate user base..?
>
> Ivor
>
seen as you are a retained employee ivor you would know how many people are
on he user base wouldnt you--perhaps youre lying and youre not connected and
perhaps it gives you a thrill to lord it up over users of the best voip
service around www.vonage.co.uk
>

#28 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:19 PM

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> (Tip - change your IP address as well as your username if you want to
> troll, although there are other ways to tell)
>
> Ivor
>
>

just relecting the true self in my name ivor jones, thats all

#29 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:22 PM

"Big Boy UK :-)" <BigBoyUK@BigBoyuk.netuk> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in s
>>
>> Are you willing to put money on that?
>
> indeed i am yes, the fact that i also have recently purchased some stock
> in vonage, albeit a very small amount , clearly indicates my commitmnet
> to the company now doesnt it.

And you're accusing me of having a financial interest to promote Sipgate,
aren't you Stefan..? Pots, kettles and the colour black come to mind.

Ivor

#30 (**permalink**) 08-08-2005, 05:23 PM

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Big Boy UK :-)" <BigBoyUK@BigBoyuk.netuk> wrote in message
> news:ivLJe.15897$hc4.8918@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Mike" <honey@michaelmoyse.co.uk> wrote in s
>>>
>>> Are you willing to put money on that?
>>
>> indeed i am yes, the fact that i also have recently purchased some stock
>> in vonage, albeit a very small amount , clearly indicates my commitmnet
>> to the company now doesnt it.
>
> And you're accusing me of having a financial interest to promote Sipgate,
> aren't you Stefan..? Pots, kettles and the colour black come to mind.
>
> Ivor
>
>
not at all simply stating what everyone else is thinking, one is not really
fussed wether you have a financial interest or not and so what if i have a
few shares in vonage, their service imho is still the best