I'm using Gradwell's VOIP service which I'm happy with. My TalkTalk
broadband connection is the weak link. Often I get good results but
other times there's excessive delay or choppy speech. My options are:
1. Pay £30 a month for a broadband connection provided by Gradwell
that offers "Direct connection to the Gradwell VoIP network"
2. Pay £20 a month for a connection from Virgin. It has the advantage
of much higher badwidth.
I'm wondering if you have any experience with Virgin. Can you get
consistently good call quality over their network using VOIP?
In article <821e63ca-9ea6-48ab-a3c7-ae4ecb13458e@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
KevinSmith <pleasedonotusethisaddress@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello
>
>I'm using Gradwell's VOIP service which I'm happy with. My TalkTalk
>broadband connection is the weak link. Often I get good results but
>other times there's excessive delay or choppy speech. My options are:
>
>1. Pay =A330 a month for a broadband connection provided by Gradwell
>that offers "Direct connection to the Gradwell VoIP network"
>2. Pay =A320 a month for a connection from Virgin. It has the advantage
>of much higher badwidth.
>
>I'm wondering if you have any experience with Virgin. Can you get
>consistently good call quality over their network using VOIP?
There are broadband providers who use the BT Wholesale network other
than TalkTalk to consider - however if it boils down to cost, then
you're stuffed.
The one I use almost all the time is a business-grade service from
Entanet - but their entry level with a peak-time cap of 15GB a month is
£19.95+VAT. The next up is a 45GB package, but then you're up to the 30
quid level again (£25.75+VAT)
Just remember that bandwidth isn't everything - a VoIP call is only
going to use 80Kb/sec each way max. What you really need is to be on
an ADSL plan which has elevated service over the BTW network - so your
upstream will be 832Kb/sec on an ADSL2+, or you'll have "elevated service"
or some similar working on your contract if you're on a 2+ (of FTTC) line.
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Hello
I'm using Gradwell's VOIP service which I'm happy with. My
TalkTalk
broadband connection is the weak link. Often I get good results
but
other times there's excessive delay or choppy speech. My options
are:
1. Pay £30 a month for a broadband connection provided by
Gradwell
that offers "Direct connection to the Gradwell VoIP network"
2. Pay £20 a month for a connection from Virgin. It has the
advantage
of much higher badwidth.
I'm wondering if you have any experience with Virgin. Can you get
consistently good call quality over their network using VOIP?
Thanks and regards
Kevin Smith
You don't say whether you are talking VM ADSL or cable. If ADSL
there may be others that are better - Be and AAISP are often
recommended on here, but if you have cable available then VM is a
notably better option. I have used VM (as NTL) successfully with
VoIP on both Sipgate and voip.co.uk and it works well.
Note that with VM you can have broadband only - you don't have to
have a phone and TV bundle. They also have the advantage that
they still support dial-up so in the unlikely event of your B/B
connection failing you can still collect your mails. (For the
record 0845 45 50 52 0.)
"KevinSmith" <pleasedonotusethisaddress@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hello
I'm using Gradwell's VOIP service which I'm happy with. My TalkTalk
broadband connection is the weak link. Often I get good results but
other times there's excessive delay or choppy speech. My options are:
1. Pay £30 a month for a broadband connection provided by Gradwell
that offers "Direct connection to the Gradwell VoIP network"
2. Pay £20 a month for a connection from Virgin. It has the advantage
of much higher badwidth.
I'm wondering if you have any experience with Virgin. Can you get
consistently good call quality over their network using VOIP?
Thanks and regards
Kevin Smith
= = =
Hi,
Following reasonably extensive testing and other(s) reports, it is pretty
rock solid (dependable / reliable / consistent). You will however find
periodic "outages" of the connection completely (typically not very frequent
or particularly long duration).
To my knowledge, best belief and understanding their (equally) is no (real)
reason why xDSL services should not (in most [significantly] all [cases /
scenarios / situations / environments / configurations / cases]) be able to
work equally (comparably) satisfactorily / perform (or perhaps [thereat]
outperform in uptime [{/} "consistency"]).
Thanks Woody, Gordon, and "News Reader" for taking the time to reply
to my query, and for your valuable suggestions. Please excuse me if my
reply is a bit rambling, it's just that there are so many options!
I'm interested in Virgin (Cable) Broadband as I don't want the hassle
of migrating my TalkTalk connection to another provider. (I think it's
going to be quite fussy as it will mean I first have to migrate my
POTS/Old Fashioned phone service to BT before migrating the broadband
to a specialist ISP.) This way I can test out Virgin's performance and
then take time to first migrate my work voip line and then in time my
home phone number which is still on POTS.
I asked the question about Virgin as the upstairs flat is already
using Virgin broadband. I've trespassed onto their unsecured WiFi to
do a VOIP test at http://www.voipreview.org/voipspeedtester.aspx. Most
things checked out OK except "consistency of service" which was
showing a red indicator with 20% reading. Also 9.2ms jitter. It is
possible that these problems were introduced by the final wireless leg
of the journey.
I looked at the Entanet site - it seems to be wholesale only. The AASP
site seems very encouraging with an assurance of service-something
that I can't imagine Virgin providing. It also seems like they'll be
reselling BT's 21CN service which is coming to my exchange in December
2010. This too for a good price. I notice that there is an option to
pay a £10 premium per month for having my traffic prioritised. I guess
one vanilla service and then only later do you upgrade to the priority
service if necessary. I also like the fact that you only pay £50 in
the event that you need a new/additional line laid to your property to
provide the service. Means I won't need to migrate my current ISP to
try out service concurrently with my existing ISP.
And finally,a bit of a digression, I've discovered that when I use
Skype Out my number is showing up on the other party's caller ID
handset. This has given me the idea that I may want to use Skype for
outgoing calls instead of my SIP provider. I've just noticed that
Skype seems more stable.
Well so far AASP seems to be the best option as it's got that
assurance of performance and a high bandwidth option if you go for
21CN.
Oops, I just realise I got the terminology wrong. The name of the new
high bandwidth 40Mbps service from BT is FTTC or VDSL and not 21CN.
On 21 Oct, 12:26, KevinSmith <pleasedonotusethisaddr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well so far AASP seems to be the best option as it's got that
> assurance of performance and a high bandwidth option if you go for
> 21CN.
>
> Thanks very much
> Kevin
In article <19a2a310-c2f7-4e04-96bb-8b9d92590a5c@26g2000yqv.googlegroups
..com>, KevinSmith <pleasedonotusethisaddress@gmail.com> scribeth thus
>Thanks Woody, Gordon, and "News Reader" for taking the time to reply
>to my query, and for your valuable suggestions. Please excuse me if my
>reply is a bit rambling, it's just that there are so many options!
Bit late in this thread but we've used Virgin and Comcast (Cambridge
Cable) before that, and I must say its one thing they do very well
indeed. Very few times since 2000 or thereabouts has it been down and
the feed we have is 10 meg and every speed test I've done says its 10
meg on the nose:) We can IIRC, get up to 50 perhaps more but for all
intents 10 is fine..
Can't comment on their customer services as I've never had reason to use
them!..
We do have a few ADSL services out in the sticks where VM don't supply
and they are very poor in comparison, so If you have them then use
them!..
Only thing which has proved a bit of a pain now and again is they can
and do change your IP address, but its not that often seems when they
re-segment the network..
--
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Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
speed of the line.
KevinSmith <pleasedonotusethisaddress@gmail.com> wrote:
> I asked the question about Virgin as the upstairs flat is already
> using Virgin broadband. I've trespassed onto their unsecured WiFi to
> do a VOIP test at http://www.voipreview.org/voipspeedtester.aspx. Most
> things checked out OK except "consistency of service" which was
> showing a red indicator with 20% reading. Also 9.2ms jitter. It is
> possible that these problems were introduced by the final wireless leg
> of the journey.
We were having an unusually torrid day yesterday (average ping about 1s) so
it's possible the problem hasn't been 100% fixed. Problems of this severity
are a once-every-6-months nature. Those stats look roughly OK but the worst
case looks laggier than normal.
"Theo Markettos" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message news:VSr*XBbmt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> KevinSmith <pleasedonotusethisaddress@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I asked the question about Virgin as the upstairs flat is already
>> using Virgin broadband. I've trespassed onto their unsecured WiFi to
>> do a VOIP test at http://www.voipreview.org/voipspeedtester.aspx. Most
>> things checked out OK except "consistency of service" which was
>> showing a red indicator with 20% reading. Also 9.2ms jitter. It is
>> possible that these problems were introduced by the final wireless leg
>> of the journey.
>
> Here's the stats from our router:
> (from the tool 'mtr')
> Packets Pings
> Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
> 1. 10.128.120.1 0.2% 506 6.8 17.1 5.8 74.9 12.1
> 2. cmbg-cam-1b-ge94.network.virginmedia.net 0.0% 506 10.7 16.6 5.7 124.7 12.8
> 3. cmbg-core-1b-ge-011-0.network.virginmedia.net 0.0% 505 7.8 16.7 5.6 124.8 14.6
> 4. nrth-bb-1b-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net 0.0% 505 33.4 25.9 7.6 194.9 28.9
> 5. popl-bb-1a-as3-0.network.virginmedia.net 0.0% 505 9.7 25.5 9.3 183.5 20.8
> 6. popl-bb-1b-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net 0.2% 505 13.1 23.5 9.5 200.6 19.8
> 7. popl-tmr-2-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net 0.0% 505 123.7 23.5 9.2 126.1 16.5
> 8. tele-ic-2-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net 0.0% 505 55.3 21.9 10.9 74.5 11.2
> 9. ae0-806.rt2.the.uk.goscomb.net 0.0% 505 41.8 21.6 9.6 165.9 15.7
> 10. ae0-3006.rt2.the.uk.goscomb.net 0.0% 505 15.2 23.4 11.5 125.3 14.3
> 11. goscomb.thbdr1.gradwell.net 0.2% 505 28.9 65.1 11.9 834.0 126.1
> 12. 79.135.121.21 0.2% 505 34.0 29.7 12.1 377.9 29.8
> 13. webmail-staging.gradwell.com 0.0% 505 14.7 23.6 11.5 92.2 13.8
>
>
> We were having an unusually torrid day yesterday (average ping about 1s) so
> it's possible the problem hasn't been 100% fixed. Problems of this severity
> are a once-every-6-months nature. Those stats look roughly OK but the worst
> case looks laggier than normal.
>
> Theo
My lad got connected to the 50Mb service on Tuesday. He is in the Kensinton district of Liverpool
Initially has snails pace speeds, but they improved after 12 hours. I put f8lure ping monotoring on his
connection, the 1st 24 hour graph is intresting, but not very encouraging http://bbbbbbmm.netfirms.com/f8lure.jpg
Graham. <me@privacy.com> wrote:
> My lad got connected to the 50Mb service on Tuesday. He is in the
> Kensinton district of Liverpool Initially has snails pace speeds, but they
> improved after 12 hours. I put f8lure ping monotoring on his connection,
> the 1st 24 hour graph is intresting, but not very encouraging
> http://bbbbbbmm.netfirms.com/f8lure.jpg
What day is this?
Looking at the Virgin forum, lots of other people are having lag/jitter
issues at the moment, looks like it's a national problem. FWIW SSH and
streaming audio were unusable yesterday, today they're fine. I haven't
tried VOIP.
In article <8d2d097c-eaa1-4593-92f7-2d4a88d364c5@l20g2000yqm.googlegroup
s.com>, KevinSmith <pleasedonotusethisaddress@gmail.com> scribeth thus
>Hi Tony
>
>Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>speed of the line.
>
>What about delay and jitter on the line?
>
>thanks Kevin
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:19:31 -0700, KevinSmith wrote:
> Hello
>
> I'm using Gradwell's VOIP service which I'm happy with. My TalkTalk
> broadband connection is the weak link. Often I get good results but
> other times there's excessive delay or choppy speech. My options are:
>
> 1. Pay £30 a month for a broadband connection provided by Gradwell that
> offers "Direct connection to the Gradwell VoIP network" 2. Pay £20 a
> month for a connection from Virgin. It has the advantage of much higher
> badwidth.
>
> I'm wondering if you have any experience with Virgin. Can you get
> consistently good call quality over their network using VOIP?
>
> Thanks and regards
> Kevin Smith
I've been on VM for several years (Since before it became VM - Telewest),
all that time I have been using Voip and the only time I have ever got
any real problems was when they were upgrading the network, but that was
only during one upgrade. There have been times when the broadband has
gone down as well.
Overall I am generally happy with VM. One of the prime reasons I stay
with them is that I know that the Voip is good.
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In news:TSr*2xcmt@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk,
Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> typed:
> Graham. <me@privacy.com> wrote:
>> My lad got connected to the 50Mb service on Tuesday. He is in the
>> Kensinton district of Liverpool Initially has snails pace speeds,
>> but they improved after 12 hours. I put f8lure ping monotoring on
>> his connection, the 1st 24 hour graph is intresting, but not very
>> encouraging http://bbbbbbmm.netfirms.com/f8lure.jpg
>
> What day is this?
>
> Looking at the Virgin forum, lots of other people are having
> lag/jitter issues at the moment, looks like it's a national problem.
> FWIW SSH and streaming audio were unusable yesterday, today they're
> fine. I haven't tried VOIP.
>
> http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ble/bd-p/Fibre
>
> Theo
Just tried Speedtest.net and Pingtest.net on my 10Mb cable connection in
Leeds (82.8.14.xxx). Results were exactly as expected :-
To Birmnigham - Ping 19ms, download 9.87Mb/s, upload 0.48 Mb/s
To Manchester - Ping 21ms, packet loss 0, Jitter 1ms
I probably get one outage every six months, occasionally lasting half a day.
My IP address has changed 9 times in 2 years, but one of those addresses
lasted 8 months. I've not had to ring them for several years now, other
than to check the status on 0800-052 4315. It just works, and fine for VOIP
too.
"KevinSmith" <pleasedonotusethisaddress@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19a2a310-c2f7-4e04-96bb-8b9d92590a5c@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com...
Thanks Woody, Gordon, and "News Reader" for taking the time to reply
to my query, and for your valuable suggestions. Please excuse me if my
reply is a bit rambling, it's just that there are so many options!
I'm interested in Virgin (Cable) Broadband as I don't want the hassle
of migrating my TalkTalk connection to another provider. (I think it's
going to be quite fussy as it will mean I first have to migrate my
POTS/Old Fashioned phone service to BT before migrating the broadband
to a specialist ISP.) This way I can test out Virgin's performance and
then take time to first migrate my work voip line and then in time my
home phone number which is still on POTS.
I asked the question about Virgin as the upstairs flat is already
using Virgin broadband. I've trespassed onto their unsecured WiFi to
do a VOIP test at http://www.voipreview.org/voipspeedtester.aspx. Most
things checked out OK except "consistency of service" which was
showing a red indicator with 20% reading. Also 9.2ms jitter. It is
possible that these problems were introduced by the final wireless leg
of the journey.
< SNIP >
Well so far AASP seems to be the best option as it's got that
assurance of performance and a high bandwidth option if you go for
21CN.
Thanks very much
Kevin
= = =
Hi,
Your stats are likely (from upstairs wireless) are likely to be impacted by
the connection already being in use / loaded / under load.
If it was your connection or a completely idle connection, directly wired...
should be essentially almost perfect (or correct / "perfect") / LAN style
connection.
On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
> Hi Tony
>
> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
> speed of the line.
>
That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.
Even when the VM line wasn't congested my Zen ADSL Max line ~4Mb/s
outperformed on video streaming web sites. I really don't understand why.
> What about delay and jitter on the line?
>
When I tested VM jitter was high but this was from a much lower average
latency than my Zen ADSL line so it isn't fair to regard it as a
negative. A jitter buffer would make use of the low latency to minimise
the jitter and still have a lower effective latency than the ADSL line.
In article <4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$40cdd511@news.astraweb.co m>, Nick
<Nick.spam@yahoo.co.uk> scribeth thus
>On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>> speed of the line.
>>
>
>That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.
Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..
If so can you say where this was on the VM net?..
>
>Even when the VM line wasn't congested my Zen ADSL Max line ~4Mb/s
>outperformed on video streaming web sites. I really don't understand why.
>
>> What about delay and jitter on the line?
>>
>
>When I tested VM jitter was high but this was from a much lower average
>latency than my Zen ADSL line so it isn't fair to regard it as a
>negative. A jitter buffer would make use of the low latency to minimise
>the jitter and still have a lower effective latency than the ADSL line.
>
>
On 23/10/2010 12:26, tony sayer wrote:
> In article<4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$40cdd511@news.astr aweb.com>, Nick
> <Nick.spam@yahoo.co.uk> scribeth thus
>> On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>>> Hi Tony
>>>
>>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>>> speed of the line.
>>>
>>
>> That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>> of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>> speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.
>
> Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
> virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..
>
It was VM cable not the BT based ADSL service. The ThinkBroadband
speedtest would give 19Mb in the morning and as low as 1Mb at 7.00pm.
Zen gave a constant 4Mb on the same test. So I know it was due to the VM
side not a problem with the test (at least up to 4Mb)
I should also make clear the reference to single connection speed. If I
were to use enough connections, e.g. multiple users, multi-thread
download manager, bittorrent, etc I could always achieve close to 20Mb
with VM, even at heavily congested times.
I personally came to the conclusion that my internet usage was dominated
by applications that used single connections and that the 4Mb ADSL line
was slightly superior for this type of use. If I had been more
interested in heavy downloading via mutithread/multiconnection apps VM
would have won hands down.
On 23/10/10 13:00, Nick wrote:
> On 23/10/2010 12:26, tony sayer wrote:
>> In article<4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$40cdd511@news.astr aweb.com>, Nick
>> <Nick.spam@yahoo.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>> On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>>>> Hi Tony
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>>>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>>>> speed of the line.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>>> of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>>> speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.
>>
>> Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
>> virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..
>>
>
> It was VM cable not the BT based ADSL service. The ThinkBroadband
> speedtest would give 19Mb in the morning and as low as 1Mb at 7.00pm.
> Zen gave a constant 4Mb on the same test. So I know it was due to the VM
> side not a problem with the test (at least up to 4Mb)
>
> I should also make clear the reference to single connection speed. If I
> were to use enough connections, e.g. multiple users, multi-thread
> download manager, bittorrent, etc I could always achieve close to 20Mb
> with VM, even at heavily congested times.
>
> I personally came to the conclusion that my internet usage was dominated
> by applications that used single connections and that the 4Mb ADSL line
> was slightly superior for this type of use. If I had been more
> interested in heavy downloading via mutithread/multiconnection apps VM
> would have won hands down.
>
>
>
I used VM coax for 1 year at 10M
in quiet times i got 10M down 1M up with a latancy of about 120ms
at the wost of the congestion (which was most of the time ) i got 10M
down 0.5M up with 14000ms latancy (yes thats right a whole 14 seconds of
latancy)!
VM is fine if nobody else in your area uses, it, but if they do then avoid!
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In article <i9vomv$r1l$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Daniel Smith
<dasy2k1@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
>On 23/10/10 13:00, Nick wrote:
>> On 23/10/2010 12:26, tony sayer wrote:
>>> In article<4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$40cdd511@news.astr aweb.com>, Nick
>>> <Nick.spam@yahoo.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>>> On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>>>>> Hi Tony
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>>>>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>>>>> speed of the line.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>>>> of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>>>> speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.
>>>
>>> Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
>>> virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..
>>>
>>
>> It was VM cable not the BT based ADSL service. The ThinkBroadband
>> speedtest would give 19Mb in the morning and as low as 1Mb at 7.00pm.
>> Zen gave a constant 4Mb on the same test. So I know it was due to the VM
>> side not a problem with the test (at least up to 4Mb)
>>
>> I should also make clear the reference to single connection speed. If I
>> were to use enough connections, e.g. multiple users, multi-thread
>> download manager, bittorrent, etc I could always achieve close to 20Mb
>> with VM, even at heavily congested times.
>>
>> I personally came to the conclusion that my internet usage was dominated
>> by applications that used single connections and that the 4Mb ADSL line
>> was slightly superior for this type of use. If I had been more
>> interested in heavy downloading via mutithread/multiconnection apps VM
>> would have won hands down.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I used VM coax for 1 year at 10M
>
>in quiet times i got 10M down 1M up with a latancy of about 120ms
>
>at the wost of the congestion (which was most of the time ) i got 10M
>down 0.5M up with 14000ms latancy (yes thats right a whole 14 seconds of
>latancy)!
>
>VM is fine if nobody else in your area uses, it, but if they do then avoid!
Well we're on the Cambridge cable as was system and never experienced
anything like that sort of latency!.
Just wonder if its area dependent sometimes between various bits of the
VM network all with different owners originally?....
--
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On 24/10/10 21:21, tony sayer wrote:
> In article <i9vomv$r1l$1@news.eternal-september.org>, Daniel Smith
> <dasy2k1@invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
>> On 23/10/10 13:00, Nick wrote:
>>> On 23/10/2010 12:26, tony sayer wrote:
>>>> In article<4cc2b0bb$0$1568$c3e8da3$40cdd511@news.astr aweb.com>, Nick
>>>> <Nick.spam@yahoo.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>>>> On 21/10/2010 16:20, KevinSmith wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that's a good point about Virgin cable. When they offer a service
>>>>>> speed it's not the dreaded "up to 24Mbs" it really is going to be the
>>>>>> speed of the line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That certainly wasn't the case when I tried VM 20Mb/s service a couple
>>>>> of years ago. Heavily congested in the evening with single connection
>>>>> speeds dropping as low as 1Mb/s.
>>>>
>>>> Was that from a Virgin network line i.e. delivered by co-axial cable, or
>>>> virgin subbing out to BT over ADSL?..
>>>>
>>>
>>> It was VM cable not the BT based ADSL service. The ThinkBroadband
>>> speedtest would give 19Mb in the morning and as low as 1Mb at 7.00pm.
>>> Zen gave a constant 4Mb on the same test. So I know it was due to the VM
>>> side not a problem with the test (at least up to 4Mb)
>>>
>>> I should also make clear the reference to single connection speed. If I
>>> were to use enough connections, e.g. multiple users, multi-thread
>>> download manager, bittorrent, etc I could always achieve close to 20Mb
>>> with VM, even at heavily congested times.
>>>
>>> I personally came to the conclusion that my internet usage was dominated
>>> by applications that used single connections and that the 4Mb ADSL line
>>> was slightly superior for this type of use. If I had been more
>>> interested in heavy downloading via mutithread/multiconnection apps VM
>>> would have won hands down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I used VM coax for 1 year at 10M
>>
>> in quiet times i got 10M down 1M up with a latancy of about 120ms
>>
>> at the wost of the congestion (which was most of the time ) i got 10M
>> down 0.5M up with 14000ms latancy (yes thats right a whole 14 seconds of
>> latancy)!
>>
>> VM is fine if nobody else in your area uses, it, but if they do then avoid!
>
> Well we're on the Cambridge cable as was system and never experienced
> anything like that sort of latency!.
>
> Just wonder if its area dependent sometimes between various bits of the
> VM network all with different owners originally?....
I think it had more to do with me living on a street with over 50%
student houses most of which using VM.
but this being originally a nynexx area may have somthing to do with it
> I think it had more to do with me living on a street with over 50%
> student houses most of which using VM.
> but this being originally a nynexx area may have somthing to do with it
Oh dear, that's exactly what I advised my son to sign up at his digs in Liverpool L7
I have absolutely no idea where this router is geographically or if it has any significance for my son's case
There are 5 of them in the house, on my recommendation they went for the XXL 50Mb/s product.
Speed test results vary much more than my ADSL2+ for example.
The fastest I have seen is 4 or 5Mb/s down and almost 1Mb/s up, but even then the packet-loss
makes VoIP break up etc.
At its worst, the sub-dialup speed is so slow the thinkbroadband and speedtest .net checkers refuse to load.
My strong suspicion is if he had taken the 10Mb/s service instead his connection would be no worse. In a word ripoff.
Any ideas about how I should tackle VM about this?
What I might do is set up an 0151 Sipgate voicemail line and leaflet the entire street (it's not very long)
Something on the lines of "Are you being ripped of by Virgin Media? Call this number with your experience"
Oh I nearly forgot, when reported , VM claim they know about the issue and it will be fixed in about a week.
Well that's what they say, but if, heaven forefend, they are not telling the whole truth, I thought a a plan B might be useful.
Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.voip Job Justification Hearings, Graham. chose
the tried and tested strategy of:
> I have absolutely no idea where this router is geographically
The 'know' bit in the reverse DNS for the IP is a geographic indicator. Eg,
'gate' for Gateshead, 'newy' for New York [no, the one in North Tyneside],
'uddi' for Uddingston, etc.
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