Freetalk
Annual subscription 79.99 GBP free UK landline calls for 12 months Or
monthly 6.99 GBP free UK landline calls
5p minute UK mobile calls evenings /weekends
2p minute US landline
Independent print edition has DSG MD Simon Turner pictured at press
conference in front of Freetalk banner.
Unfortunately he hasn`t told DSG`s webmasters www.freetalk.co.uk still
just showing Freetalk logo and untitled document. www.dixons.co.uk is
majoring on the iPod Nano.
The Register has some of the responses from Onetel, who again haven`t
got their webmasters in the loop no mention of Voip on Onetel homepage,
and other Voip `me too` players, stories linked at bottom of page.
In article <1127911086.619152.118230@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>, ledlight@gmail.com says...
> Independent 28th September:
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/busine...icle315538.ece
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/c8foj
>
> Headline numbers:
>
> Freetalk
> Annual subscription 79.99 GBP free UK landline calls for 12 months Or
> monthly 6.99 GBP free UK landline calls
> 5p minute UK mobile calls evenings /weekends
> 2p minute US landline
>
> Independent print edition has DSG MD Simon Turner pictured at press
> conference in front of Freetalk banner.
>
> Unfortunately he hasn`t told DSG`s webmasters www.freetalk.co.uk still
> just showing Freetalk logo and untitled document. www.dixons.co.uk is
> majoring on the iPod Nano.
>
> The Register has some of the responses from Onetel, who again haven`t
> got their webmasters in the loop no mention of Voip on Onetel homepage,
> and other Voip `me too` players, stories linked at bottom of page.
>
> http://www.theregister.com/2005/09/28/onetel_voip
>
> Calls can only get cheaper....
>
Can they?
We will wait and see, lets see how many compnies go under first because
they can't compete and the lets see how much choice you get when there
is only a few telecoms companies left.
Anyway according to Ivor and others on here VOIP is not about saying
money.
In article <82glj155vg7i8k95g9cmlg3e7br4l0cq9o@4ax.com>, turtill@hotmail.com says...
>
> And hopefully free from BT for those of us who pay BT £30 pm for a
> broad band connection already. I can see no reason to pay more for
> using the connection I already pay for. If BT got it's act together
> and realised we can already get cheaper calls than they are proposing
> to offer us maybe they will go the free route to attract more BB
> subscribers to them.
You are dreaming, Bt will do the minimum needed to stay comparative and
that is it.
> Anyway according to Ivor and others on here VOIP is not about saying
> money.
After spending ages setting up Asterisk, and buying IP phones, I'd prolly
need 20 years of free calls to make my money back...
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alexd wrote:
|| Ad C wrote:
||
||| Anyway according to Ivor and others on here VOIP is not about saying
||| money.
||
|| After spending ages setting up Asterisk, and buying IP phones, I'd
|| prolly need 20 years of free calls to make my money back...
||
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In article <1127932528.400572.113910@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>, pricefighter@gmail.com says...
> Onetels site is up and running under Justdail brand.
>
> www.justdialvoip.com
>
>
Onetel played a nasty trick on my mate, they signed him up behind his
back to their phone service.
That is not good, so I will avoid Onetel like the plague
"Ad C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da6842afb50df7989681@news.metronet.co.uk
[snip]
> So what is the point?
>
> There are some things I do as a hobby, but mucking around
> with phones is not one of them.
There's the difference. What is a hobby to some isn't to you, and vice
versa. I know people who spend all their spare time flying model
aircraft, but it isn't my cup of tea.
I spent about 6 hours today trying to get a piece of old telephone
equipment working, I still haven't managed it fully, but I'll get there in
the end..!
In article <3880653.6nnjRzeoOv@ale.cx>, look@my.sig says...
> Ad C wrote:
>
> > Anyway according to Ivor and others on here VOIP is not about saying
> > money.
>
> After spending ages setting up Asterisk, and buying IP phones, I'd prolly
> need 20 years of free calls to make my money back...
>
>
So what is the point?
There are some things I do as a hobby, but mucking around with phones is
not one of them.
In article <2bplj15gd2tpopibo9s6973s5ru818bcb6@4ax.com>, turtill@hotmail.com says...
> >You are dreaming, Bt will do the minimum needed to stay comparative and
> >that is it.
>
> You maybe right. However I think they will have to act as they can no
I could also be wrong.
> longer compete and although I have a BT line they get no money off me
> for calls so they would be losing nothing to let me have it as part of
> my BB connection if that generated enough new BB connections to
> replace the line rental especially if a cable firm does something
> similar.
BT do not get any money of me directly for calls, but what ever they do
get, must be a lot less than if I paid directly for them.
What about people who do not want to use BT for their internet and want
to use another ISP? do you think BT would allow me to free line rental,
because I got broadband acess?
In article <3q3aecFd44psU1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
>
> There's the difference. What is a hobby to some isn't to you, and vice
True, but phones as a hobby, would seem a bit sad to a lot of people.
> versa. I know people who spend all their spare time flying model
> aircraft, but it isn't my cup of tea.
Not that is a good idea, That is more interesting, it gets you outside
and meeting people.
>
> I spent about 6 hours today trying to get a piece of old telephone
> equipment working, I still haven't managed it fully, but I'll get there in
> the end..!
I spent four hours on Thursday trying to get my computer working. A
couple of hours before I went to work and a couple of hours when I came
back home.
In article <d4voj154j7jkovh9n5s4hk9fkbfb40fef5@4ax.com>, turtill@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >BT do not get any money of me directly for calls, but what ever they do
> >get, must be a lot less than if I paid directly for them.
> >What about people who do not want to use BT for their internet and want
> >to use another ISP? do you think BT would allow me to free line rental,
> >because I got broadband acess?
>
> If BT were to do it so other ISP's would have to follow. I can see a
> lot of business sense in an ISP saying we will supply you with free
> telephone calls if you subscribe to our service. I don't think BT are
> going to have much choice when folks who do not normally use computers
> start getting Dixons stuff & nonsense. Maybe just wishful thinking I
> suppose;-)
You still got the line rental, you said that Bt should give people free
line rental if they have broadband, but how will another ISP give you
that free line rental, since BT will still be charging them?
As for Dixons stuff, how many people that do not use a computer are
going to get broadband just so they can use VOIP?
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:43:58 GMT, alexd wrote:
>
>>After spending ages setting up Asterisk, and buying IP phones, I'd prolly
>>need 20 years of free calls to make my money back...
>
> You clearly don't make many calls.
Yeah but now I've so many phones I might make a habit of it.
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> In article <3q3aecFd44psU1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
> says...
>>
>> There's the difference. What is a hobby to some isn't to you, and vice
>
> True, but phones as a hobby, would seem a bit sad to a lot of people.
Almost as sad as kicking a pigs bladder around a grass field for 90 minutes
every saturday. Or paying to watch it.
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In article <qquqj1hro6lq418hketmcf903sf0qs0uje@4ax.com>, turtill@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >You still got the line rental, you said that Bt should give people free
> >line rental if they have broadband, but how will another ISP give you
> >that free line rental, since BT will still be charging them?
>
> Well I had to go away and think about that one. How about BT being
> able to attract many other customers by giving their BB subscribers
> free telephone facilities as they are going to route all their calls
> over the www. It doesn't sit well with me that I have to pay BT £30pm
> for internet access and then they want me to pay extra to use the www
> for voip calls when I believe they are planning to route all calls
> over the www. Something like that anyhow. I am sure others could make
> a better argument in favour than me.
But people like myself are still stuck. I still have to pay a line
rental, so if BT offered their customers free line rental, do that mean
I would have to go back to BT?
Remember that Bt still charges line rental to other phone suppliers that
get passed on to people like me.
> All the dummies who buy extended warranties;-)))))
You may be right, but people are getting wise to extended warranties.
In article <m6vrj1hj1rrl78hg2742kl9o4ugf17rb0r@4ax.com>, turtill@hotmail.com says...
>
> It appears that VoIP is not regulated like ordinary telephones so
> there is nothing to stop BT pulling a stroke by offering free VoIP
> with their BB connections and attracting many customers away from
> their ISP as far as I can see.
They can do that, other ISps can give free VOIP calls to customers, but
we still have to pay the line rental.
This is the major problem, people will look at VOIP prices and see that
landline prices are not much different and with less hassle. since most
still have to pay the line rental, they will gain little.
> >You may be right, but people are getting wise to extended warranties.
>
> Quite. It is about time they got wise to PC World type of stores
> too;-)
You can get some stuff for good prices in P.C world sometimes.
In article <ughtj1p8m9plvlo1rtpeq18o5vk0q7g9u4@4ax.com>, turtill@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >They can do that, other ISps can give free VOIP calls to customers, but
> >we still have to pay the line rental.
> >This is the major problem, people will look at VOIP prices and see that
> >landline prices are not much different and with less hassle. since most
> >still have to pay the line rental, they will gain little.
>
> Yes but BT can bundle the telephone line into their BB package and
> maybe cable companies can do too.
But other suppliers won't be able to unless BT drops the line rental
charge to them.
In article <1128204567.020414.115890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>, crystalpoweruk@gmail.com says...
> As if BT will ever drop lone rental and if they do they will make it up
> in other ways.
>
> PS Can you correct your grammar, some of it is appauling.
>
>
Get stuffed
In article <umeuj1lcdqp5cmlj1m2a7o7glb6s2tsers@4ax.com>, turtill@hotmail.com says...
>> >But other suppliers won't be able to unless BT drops the line rental
> >charge to them.
>
> Yes so BT scores as the regulations do not appear to cover VoIP calls.
I think something will be done, because it will come under infair
compatition.
> Anybody not with BT or a cable supplier will be at a disadvantage of
> which there is no present remedy. I think something like this is going
> to have to be sorted out possibly with BT making concessions to other
> ISP's as it is apparent BT are going to route their telephone system
> through the www and as I am already paying them £30pm to be connected
> to the www I cannot see how they can justify charging me for my phone
> calls using the connection I am paying for. I have already paid for
> that and I am using voipbusters free.
I agree, It is the same here, apart from the fact I do not pay £30 a
month for net connection, I pay a lot less than that, I also do not pay
£10.50 or what ever Bt charges for line rental. I pay £9.50 or something
like that.
But I do agree that something needs to be done about the line rental,
but I still can't see it, since BT makes a killing on it.
BT is not going to route their calls though the WWW, they are going to
use an I.P system, something which I am still not sure about.
In article <G380f.104093$387.31603@fe02.news.easynews.com>, steve@nybbles.co.uk says...
> www.crystal-power.co.uk wrote:
>
> > PS Can you correct your grammar, some of it is appauling.
>
> Perhaps he could agree to look at his grammar if you did something about
> your spelling?
>
In article <2336386.2Xd0nu6X8V@ale.cx>, look@my.sig says...
> >
> > True, but phones as a hobby, would seem a bit sad to a lot of people.
>
> Almost as sad as kicking a pigs bladder around a grass field for 90 minutes
> every saturday. Or paying to watch it.
>
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