The Euro debate on this group/Freetalk and Sipgate

I have to say i am shocked by all the debate on this voip group about
the euro and wether its legal tender or not,I for one wouldnt touch a
service that wouldnt let me pay in my own currency which is the BRITISH
pound sterling.

I say lets keep out of the europen union altogether, they have already
forced upon us many things which are blatantly rubbish and are already
effecting the core of the BRITISH heartland, i say brussels keep ot of
the uk, keep your grubby euro currency away from this country,keep all
your euro rules away too and for what its worth stop hoisting your
"immigrants" on the BRITISH public too.

Now back to FREETALK,one of my mates bought the yearly offering and i
have just come off a 1.5 hour call with him and i can honestly say it
was perfect, absolutely no different in terms of quality compared to
BT, i also tried Sipgate today, what a shower of crap that was, echos,
people i called not being able to hear me, what a joke,im not surprised
about the sipgate service either judging by what experiences a poster
called dexter has had and who is this Ivor, if he is really an employee
of sipgate as im lead to believe from reading this group i would like
to ask him a few questions about why the service was complete and utter
tosh for me and how they can claim to provide a good service for
virtually pennies,you pay virtually nothing and you get a piss poor
service.i suppose you get what you pay for dont you.

Personally i WILL be signing up to FREETALK tomorrow,in fact ill be at
the local Dixons as soon as the doors open.

Regards

Crystal

In article <1128201074.618797.241010@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
crystalpoweruk@gmail.com says...
>
> Now back to FREETALK,one of my mates bought the yearly offering and i
> have just come off a 1.5 hour call with him and i can honestly say it
> was perfect, absolutely no different in terms of quality compared to

I find this hard to believe that it was perfect.
There have to be a delay, the quality can not be as good as normal phone
line.


> BT, i also tried Sipgate today, what a shower of crap that was, echos,
> people i called not being able to hear me, what a joke,im not surprised
> about the sipgate service either judging by what experiences a poster
> called dexter has had and who is this Ivor, if he is really an employee
> of sipgate as im lead to believe from reading this group i would like
> to ask him a few questions about why the service was complete and utter
> tosh for me and how they can claim to provide a good service for
> virtually pennies,you pay virtually nothing and you get a piss poor
> service.i suppose you get what you pay for dont you.

I know someone who is using Sipgate, they got it last week and it works
fine. Not perfect but it does the job.
He phoned me today because he thinks his wife have broke their computer,
and the quality was ok, but I have heard better.



>
> Personally i WILL be signing up to FREETALK tomorrow,in fact ill be at
> the local Dixons as soon as the doors open.
>

Are you going to save money by using Freetalk? Is it really worth the
hassle?

"Ad C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da91e632a380449896c3@news.metronet.co.uk ...
> In article <1128201074.618797.241010@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,

> I find this hard to believe that it was perfect.
> There have to be a delay, the quality can not be as good as normal phone
> line.

Why not?

The usual limitation on call quality it good old POTS where typically the
audio bandwidth is limited to 300hz to 3.4Khz.

Depending on the CODEC used VOIP is far more capable then POTS but I admit
that is you are dialling to a conventional landline you are going to hit
that audio restriction.

I use Skype to talk to my Brother in Holland (Skype to Skype), the audio
quality is absolutely awesome, far far superior to a standard phone.

If you are referring to latency then it is very rare I notice an issue
because of this.

Regards,

Paul

"www.crystal-power.co.uk" <crystalpoweruk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Now back to FREETALK,one of my mates bought the yearly offering and i
> have just come off a 1.5 hour call with him and i can honestly say it
> was perfect, absolutely no different in terms of quality compared to
> BT, i also tried Sipgate today, what a shower of crap that was, echos,
> people i called not being able to hear me, what a joke,im not surprised
> about the sipgate service either judging by what experiences a poster
> called dexter has had and who is this Ivor, if he is really an employee
> of sipgate as im lead to believe from reading this group i would like
> to ask him a few questions about why the service was complete and utter
> tosh for me and how they can claim to provide a good service for
> virtually pennies,you pay virtually nothing and you get a piss poor
> service.i suppose you get what you pay for dont you.

I take it he cleared the call down before the hour and redialled? If not I
assume he would be charged 2ppm after 60 minutes?

I'd be interested to know how you get on, looks like a good offering.

Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Who mentioned anything about saving money, money is meant to be spent
> money is totally worthless sat in a bank or in your pocket or wallet I
> am sitting in forty grand of clear profit now and starting looking for
> ways to free some of it up because I am not going and leaving it all
> for someone else to piss against the wall .Oh yes I forgot what hassle

Well said!

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:42:53 GMT, "Paul Westwell" <paul@nospam.me.uk>
wrote:

>
>"www.crystal-power.co.uk" <crystalpoweruk@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1128201074.618797.241010@g14g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>
>> Now back to FREETALK,one of my mates bought the yearly offering and i
>> have just come off a 1.5 hour call with him and i can honestly say it
>> was perfect, absolutely no different in terms of quality compared to
>> BT, i also tried Sipgate today, what a shower of crap that was, echos,
>> people i called not being able to hear me, what a joke,im not surprised
>> about the sipgate service either judging by what experiences a poster
>> called dexter has had and who is this Ivor, if he is really an employee
>> of sipgate as im lead to believe from reading this group i would like
>> to ask him a few questions about why the service was complete and utter
>> tosh for me and how they can claim to provide a good service for
>> virtually pennies,you pay virtually nothing and you get a piss poor
>> service.i suppose you get what you pay for dont you.
>
>I take it he cleared the call down before the hour and redialled? If not I
>assume he would be charged 2ppm after 60 minutes?
>
>I'd be interested to know how you get on, looks like a good offering.
>
Not as cheap to run as using voipbuster.
I don't see that there is any special magic in Freetalk. I am sure
that there are other voip providers that are as good.
There is no reason why voip shouldn't be as good if not better than
POTS as far as quality of audio is concerned.
I have only made one international call on voipbuster - a free call to
Australia, and that was good. A very slight delay but no worse than
when I call via the 0870 operators from my mobile.
For someone, though, who wants an 'out of the box' solution Freetalk
is OK. For those of us who are more technically apt it isn't the best
solution. The same goes for landlines. You can put all your calls
through BT or cable and pay through the nose for it - but it is easy
and convenient. Alternatively, you can use 1899 or similar by dialling
a prefix or using a dialler box. I would go for the dialler box - easy
operation and cheaper - but that requires some technical knowledge -
hence not an 'out of the box' solution.
In summary: Horses for courses!
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.

In article <1NO%e.8204$OC3.7267@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>, paul@nospam.me.uk
says...
> > I find this hard to believe that it was perfect.
> > There have to be a delay, the quality can not be as good as normal phone
> > line.
>
> Why not?
>
> The usual limitation on call quality it good old POTS where typically the
> audio bandwidth is limited to 300hz to 3.4Khz.

What about if you are using the net and downloading a lot? A lot of the
cheaper routers do not have QOS.


>
> Depending on the CODEC used VOIP is far more capable then POTS but I admit
> that is you are dialling to a conventional landline you are going to hit
> that audio restriction.
>
> I use Skype to talk to my Brother in Holland (Skype to Skype), the audio
> quality is absolutely awesome, far far superior to a standard phone.

I have used skype and I have also use MSN messenger to chat with people
in the states, the quality is ok, but it is not great.

>
> If you are referring to latency then it is very rare I notice an issue
> because of this.

I notice it on a normal phone line to the U.S, so over the net it is
going to be worse,