"BT made communications history today with the transfer of the first
customer lines to its 21st Century Network (21CN), the world's most advanced
next generation network. As planned, BT has started to move customers in the
village of Wick, near Cardiff, to the next generation infrastructure. The
upgrade, which took place without the need for an engineer visit, new
telephone, or a new telephone number, is part of the first phase of the
national roll-out of 21CN.
21CN will bring a range of benefits to businesses and consumers over years
to come. New voice, data, broadband and multimedia services will be
delivered quicker and cheaper than before, including faster broadband. 21CN
will also give customers more control over the way they use their services.
The migration of the first customers to 21CN is a landmark event in BT's
next generation network programme. To reach this important milestone BT has
re-built around ten per cent of the UK's core national communications
infrastructure, installed 21CN equipment at over 100 sites across the UK,
and laid more than 2,300 kilometres of new fibre optic cable in South Wales.
BT has also invested more than 1,500 man years in developing new IT systems
to support the new network.
Reaching this major milestone has also been the result of pan-industry
collaboration through Consult21, a forum which provides a regular open
platform for all communications providers to understand and influence BT's
plans for 21CN. This includes the details of the roll-out programme, as it
affects hundreds of communications providers across the UK.
Paul Reynolds, chief executive of BT Wholesale and BT board sponsor for the
21CN programme said, "Today marks a symbolic and momentous occasion for BT,
the communications industry and for the UK as 21CN, over three years in the
making, starts to become real for customers. Alexander Graham Bell made the
first telephone call 130 years ago - we are also making history with the
first live UK customer calls using a carrier class, all IP network. Years of
research and development, network build and design, rigorous trials and
testing, together with open collaboration with the communications industry
have culminated in this historic moment. A network transformation on this
scale has not been attempted anywhere else in the world - it's happening now
in South Wales, and the rest of the UK will follow over the next few years."
Following the first phase of customer migrations in Wick, customers in
Cardiff, Bridgend and the Pontypridd area will be the next to have their
voice and broadband services transferred to 21CN. By the end of summer 2007,
around 350,000 customer lines in South Wales are expected to have been
migrated to the new infrastructure.
When complete, 21CN will deliver existing and new converged communications
services to homes and businesses nationwide. BT believes that the underlying
network and the new services it will create, including the first nationwide
wholesale broadband service offering planned speeds of up to 24 Mbit/s, will
make converged communications faster, more efficient and more cost effective
than ever before."
>Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the link
>and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
Where copyright of a "magazine" item is involved a precis of the item
and a web link might be enough. However, for those who have no easy
access to a browser, but read the newsgroup, or for those who later
happen to read the newsgroup, and the web link fails (eg because of
a reorganisation of all pages on the website, perhaps 5 years down
the line) then having the article posted is a reasonable thing. If
you don't want to download it, then your newsreader might be able to
simply not download any post of 50+ lines, for example. This post,
at well under 100 lines, is far from excessive, IMO, and whilst in
some cases one would like the web link to be able to confirm that
something posted is as is seen on the website, I for one, knowing
that what Sunil posts is nearly always 100% correct, would prefer
to be able to read the whole thing here (I didn't, but I've set my
newsreader to keep anything posted by Sunil anyway, so it will be
held on my HD for years, with posts from Phil Henry and others)
rather than have to go off to some website (some of which 'force'
their own 'musical' output on visitors) to get the full story.
> [snip massive copy]
>
>>From
>> http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...b49fd423335%7d
>
> Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the link
> and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
You are new here? Sunil provides very useful postings and I for one
like plenty of detail. I often read postings offline and can't
automatically link.
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:27:21 -0000, [Sunil Sood] said :-
>or what BT were calling '21CN day'
>
>"BT made communications history today with the transfer of the first
>customer lines to its 21st Century Network (21CN), the world's most advanced
>next generation network. As planned, BT has started to move customers in the
>village of Wick, near Cardiff, to the next generation infrastructure. The
>upgrade, which took place without the need for an engineer visit, new
>telephone, or a new telephone number, is part of the first phase of the
>national roll-out of 21CN.
Anyone from Wick 'here' ?
Anyone know the size of the transfer? Wick appears not to be a very
large place, so just wondering.
In message of Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Richard Oliver writes
>Copy Right wrote:
>
>> [snip massive copy]
>>
>>>From
>>>http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...leid=%7b900187
>>>09-f48e-409a-a1e4-9b49fd423335%7d
>> Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the
>>link
>> and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
>
>You are new here? Sunil provides very useful postings and I for one
>like plenty of detail. I often read postings offline and can't
>automatically link.
>
As a casual reader, with casual interest, I found Sunil's post
interesting. If he had posted as you suggest I probably wouldn't have
bothered to go to the link.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:55:09 +0000, Spin Dryer <me2@privacy.net>
wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:27:21 -0000, [Sunil Sood] said :-
>
>>or what BT were calling '21CN day'
>>
>>"BT made communications history today with the transfer of the first
>>customer lines to its 21st Century Network (21CN), the world's most advanced
>>next generation network. As planned, BT has started to move customers in the
>>village of Wick, near Cardiff, to the next generation infrastructure. The
>>upgrade, which took place without the need for an engineer visit, new
>>telephone, or a new telephone number, is part of the first phase of the
>>national roll-out of 21CN.
>
>Anyone from Wick 'here' ?
>
>Anyone know the size of the transfer? Wick appears not to be a very
>large place, so just wondering.
>
I'm from Wick but the last time I looked out of my window I was in
Caithness and not in deepest Wales.........................
<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lg5sm29or0alvgsvk5lsavt9ki7dou2del@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:20:09 +0000, jasper
> <jasper.williams@nospam.mynet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:55:09 +0000, Spin Dryer <me2@privacy.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:27:21 -0000, [Sunil Sood] said :-
>>>
>>>>or what BT were calling '21CN day'
>>>>
>>>>"BT made communications history today with the transfer of the first
>>>>customer lines to its 21st Century Network (21CN), the world's most
>>>>advanced
>>>>next generation network. As planned, BT has started to move customers in
>>>>the
>>>>village of Wick, near Cardiff, to the next generation infrastructure.
>>>>The
>>>>upgrade, which took place without the need for an engineer visit, new
>>>>telephone, or a new telephone number, is part of the first phase of the
>>>>national roll-out of 21CN.
>>>
>>>Anyone from Wick 'here' ?
>>>
>>>Anyone know the size of the transfer? Wick appears not to be a very
>>>large place, so just wondering.
>>>
>>I'm from Wick but the last time I looked out of my window I was in
>>Caithness and not in deepest Wales.........................
> You maybe but there are more in the UK than yours in fact all the ones
> below ..........................
> Wick, Caithness
> KW1 (UK)
> West Wick
> Weston-Super-Mare, Avon
> BS24 (UK)
> Hampton Wick
> Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey
> KT1 4 (UK)
> Wick
> Bristol, Avon
> BS30 (UK)
> Eton Wick
> Windsor, Berkshire
> SL4 6 (UK)
> Wick
> Littlehampton, West Sussex
> BN17 (UK)
> Wick
> Salisbury, Wiltshire
> SP5 3 (UK)
> Wick
> Cowbridge, South Glamorgan
>
It's enough to get on your wick!
David Floyd <david@floyd.org.uk> writes:
>Richard Oliver writes
>>Copy Right wrote:
>>>>From
>>>>http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...leid=%7b900187
>>>>09-f48e-409a-a1e4-9b49fd423335%7d
>>> Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the
>>> link and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
>>
>>You are new here? Sunil provides very useful postings and I for one
>>like plenty of detail. I often read postings offline and can't
>>automatically link.
>
>As a casual reader, with casual interest, I found Sunil's post
>interesting. If he had posted as you suggest I probably wouldn't have
>bothered to go to the link.
>
>So, keep it up, Sunil, please.
hear, hear.
i can set my newsreader to a size that's convenient for me. i've just
gone to the bt site and it's too small so that i had to spend time
adjusting before i could read it.
as a general rule, i don't go to commercial sites if i can avoid it.
while bt's a lot less bloody stupid than it used to be, the droids who
design web sites seem far too often to like flashing graphics -- which
hurt my eyes and drive me away at first glance.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge
>In message of Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Richard Oliver writes
>>Copy Right wrote:
>>
>>> [snip massive copy]
>>>
>>>>From
>>>>http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...leid=%7b900187
>>>>09-f48e-409a-a1e4-9b49fd423335%7d
>>> Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the
>>>link
>>> and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
>>
>>You are new here? Sunil provides very useful postings and I for one
>>like plenty of detail. I often read postings offline and can't
>>automatically link.
>>
>
>As a casual reader, with casual interest, I found Sunil's post
>interesting. If he had posted as you suggest I probably wouldn't have
>bothered to go to the link.
>
>So, keep it up, Sunil, please.
>
My sentiments exactly.
--
Thoss
"Monty" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:57prm21r48lij6dcgu3lankt5i7bsaj9vr@4ax.com...
> I think Sunil Sood and Phil Henry are one and the same robot.
lol - I'm afraid not.. though I am wondering where Peter Morgan has got to..
"Spin Dryer" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:eaprm2dhvcfjcbmilphmiplrnn3tu1urtq@4ax.com...
> Anyone know the size of the transfer? Wick appears not to be a very
> large place, so just wondering.
I believe the Wick telephone exchange is also very small and only serves
about 450 premises though reports say that just over "100 consumers" were
switched over - though BT managed to cram in 10 staff during the migration
exercise. I believe these customers lost the ability to dial out for 2/3
minutes and receive calls for upto half an hour as part of the migration
process.
The idea is to monitor these lines before migrating the remaining customers
linked to the Wick exchange and then carry out a 'lessons learned' exercise
before the next stage of the migration programme in the Cardiff area -
scheduled for the end of February 2007.
I note BT arranged a photo-op 'crediting' a 11 year old girl (Laura Wess,
from Wick and Marcross Church in Wales Primary School) as making the first
live telephone call over 21CN - to the Rt Rev John Davies, the Bishop of St
Asaph in North Wales.
Also, BT marked the occasion by donating a wireless mobile information
technology suite with 16 laptops and curriculum software to the school.
On 2006-11-29, Copy Right <=?x-user-defined?Q?> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:27:21 -0000, Sunil Sood wrote:
>
> [snip massive copy]
>
>>From
>>http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...b49fd423335%7d
>
> Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the link
> and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
In what way would that be more convenient for anyone?
"Sunil Sood" <news@soods.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4t2oauF11rpg9U1@mid.individual.net...
> or what BT were calling '21CN day'
>
> "BT made communications history today with the transfer of the first
> customer lines to its 21st Century Network (21CN), the world's most
> advanced next generation network. As planned, BT has started to move
> customers in the village of Wick, near Cardiff, to the next generation
> infrastructure. The upgrade, which took place without the need for an
> engineer visit, new telephone, or a new telephone number, is part of the
> first phase of the national roll-out of 21CN.
>
> 21CN will bring a range of benefits to businesses and consumers over years
> to come. New voice, data, broadband and multimedia services will be
> delivered quicker and cheaper than before, including faster broadband.
> 21CN will also give customers more control over the way they use their
> services.
>
> The migration of the first customers to 21CN is a landmark event in BT's
> next generation network programme. To reach this important milestone BT
> has re-built around ten per cent of the UK's core national communications
> infrastructure, installed 21CN equipment at over 100 sites across the UK,
> and laid more than 2,300 kilometres of new fibre optic cable in South
> Wales. BT has also invested more than 1,500 man years in developing new IT
> systems to support the new network.
>
> Reaching this major milestone has also been the result of pan-industry
> collaboration through Consult21, a forum which provides a regular open
> platform for all communications providers to understand and influence BT's
> plans for 21CN. This includes the details of the roll-out programme, as it
> affects hundreds of communications providers across the UK.
>
> Paul Reynolds, chief executive of BT Wholesale and BT board sponsor for
> the 21CN programme said, "Today marks a symbolic and momentous occasion
> for BT, the communications industry and for the UK as 21CN, over three
> years in the making, starts to become real for customers. Alexander Graham
> Bell made the first telephone call 130 years ago - we are also making
> history with the first live UK customer calls using a carrier class, all
> IP network. Years of research and development, network build and design,
> rigorous trials and testing, together with open collaboration with the
> communications industry have culminated in this historic moment. A network
> transformation on this scale has not been attempted anywhere else in the
> world - it's happening now in South Wales, and the rest of the UK will
> follow over the next few years."
>
> Following the first phase of customer migrations in Wick, customers in
> Cardiff, Bridgend and the Pontypridd area will be the next to have their
> voice and broadband services transferred to 21CN. By the end of summer
> 2007, around 350,000 customer lines in South Wales are expected to have
> been migrated to the new infrastructure.
>
> When complete, 21CN will deliver existing and new converged communications
> services to homes and businesses nationwide. BT believes that the
> underlying network and the new services it will create, including the
> first nationwide wholesale broadband service offering planned speeds of up
> to 24 Mbit/s, will make converged communications faster, more efficient
> and more cost effective than ever before."
>
> From
> http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...b49fd423335%7d
>
> Regards
> Sunil
At least the gentle criticism has encouraged Sunil to contribute
a follow up or two to a thread he OP'd.
I suppose Sunil's news posts are in the true tradition of Usenet
and somehow ukt* wouldn't be the same without them.
So keep them coming Snuil.
Polly wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:20:27 -0000, Sunil Sood postulated:
>
>> lol - I'm afraid not.. though I am wondering where Peter Morgan has got to..
>
> It looks like Peter Morgan died:
> http://www.morganwest.net/tribute.html
"Copy Right" <"=?x-user-defined?Q? Þ @ Þ ?="> wrote in message
news:hhkrm255sok7vns945kp1kpmt330vq7c8s@4ax.com...
> Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the link
> and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
Its a judgement call on how important/interesting or historic I think an
item is - and the introduction of BT's new 21CN network ranks high up there
for me.
> Yes, I'm aware that in theory the information is
> available on Google Groups but that's hardly a terribly convenient way
> of finding and viewing the information. In any case why rely on a
> third party who might one day decide to wipe the information?
Or edit it - can't we see a time when Google's owners might be tempted
to edit any inconvenient postings?
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 04:08:32 -0000, "Sunil Sood"
<news@soods.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Copy Right" <"=?x-user-defined?Q? Þ @ Þ ?="> wrote in message
>news:hhkrm255sok7vns945kp1kpmt330vq7c8s@4ax.com.. .
>> Instead of copying the lot off the website why not just post the link
>> and a few words of what it's about - surely that's enough?
>
>Its a judgement call on how important/interesting or historic I think an
>item is - and the introduction of BT's new 21CN network ranks high up there
>for me.
Keep it up, Sunil. Usenet is not the web: some of us use offline
readers, your stuff is well worth a direct read. In time Usenet risks
a decline into a history of broken URLs...
--
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So back to cmylod at bigfoot dot com
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