Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1 September, it'll
cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems to be per email address
rather than per number of SIP accounts, so mayhap we could all club together
as member(at)utv.org.uk for one humungous FWD sip a/c?
Not in the spirit of commerce I know, but those of you who are as mean as me
will understand.
In news:6fttvtFdc88iU1@mid.individual.net,
cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1
: September, it'll cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems
: to be per email address rather than per number of SIP accounts, so
: mayhap we could all club together as member(at)utv.org.uk for one
: humungous FWD sip a/c?
:
: Not in the spirit of commerce I know, but those of you who are as
: mean as me will understand.
Link to this info please..? Nothing obvious on the FWD site.
<mymail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0u5m94te6o6743rojph5kg8qr0dsrk20bh@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:04:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> Info sent by email to all account holders which is where the poster
> above got the info from .
This is a copy of the email I received today:
Dear FWD'er:
Free World Dialup is implementing a $30 USD annual membership fee during the
month of August after 12 years as a free service.
A startup taking over a decade to reach conviction about a business model
likely sets a record, but we believe $30 USD per year is the magic number.
It is 10% of the cost for Vonage's unlimited usage plan. FWD provided the
inspiration for the founding of Vonage in 2001, and Vonage's hybrid
Internet-PSTN offer now generates nearly $1 billion in annual revenue. FWD's
voluntary paid membership experiment last summer demonstrated the demand for
a complete break from telephone network. FWD's future as a Communication ISP
will include only those services that do not have a per minute charge.
Rather than competing directly with the telco's or even Vonage, the mission
of a Communication ISP is creating new opportunities and modes of
communication. FWD will relaunch the website during August to focus on
services, applications, and content available to people with VoIP SIP
devices connected directly to the Internet.
See FWD CEO, Daniel Berninger's Communication ISP Manifesto.
If you wish to retain SIP registration and support FWD, please click through
the paid membership banner at the top of the home page which links to the
Acteva registration service.
Make sure you use the email associated with your FWD account (the one on
which this message arrived.)
If you lost your FWD account info, you can use the password retrieval
process or simply create a new account.
The first 1000 paid members get "founder" status, but FWD will retain
existing free accounts through August 31, 2008. The new paid membership
requirement allows for associating any number of accounts with the email
address used for payment, so you can keep the free ride alive by finding a
friend with paid membership.
I hope you will join in transforming FWD's nearly one million free accounts
into paid memberships as we work to make the Communication ISP the next big
thing in VoIP.
Best regards,
Jeff
115 Broadhollow Road, Suite 225, Melville, NY 11747
In news:0u5m94te6o6743rojph5kg8qr0dsrk20bh@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.com <mymail@hotmail.com> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:04:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >In news:6fttvtFdc88iU1@mid.individual.net,
: >cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
: >reason:
: >: Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1
: >: September, it'll cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems
: >: to be per email address rather than per number of SIP accounts, so
: >: mayhap we could all club together as member(at)utv.org.uk for one
: >: humungous FWD sip a/c?
: >:
: >: Not in the spirit of commerce I know, but those of you who are as
: >: mean as me will understand.
: >
: >Link to this info please..? Nothing obvious on the FWD site.
:
: Info sent by email to all account holders which is where the poster
: above got the info from .
Funny that because I am an account holder and I haven't had this email.
The FWD site still says it's a free service.
In news:1804246.DU5ydjOqFg@robinton.llondel.org,
Dave {Reply Address in.Sig} <noone$$@llondel.org> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: In message <6fttvtFdc88iU1@mid.individual.net>, cybuerke wrote:
:
: > Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1
: > September, it'll cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems
: > to be per email address rather than per number of SIP accounts, so
: > mayhap we could all club together as member(at)utv.org.uk for one
: > humungous FWD sip a/c?
: >
: > Not in the spirit of commerce I know, but those of you who are as
: > mean as me will understand.
:
: I'm afraid I just rewrote my Asterisk config files last night to
: remove my FWD account. I only ever really used it for testing, so
: it's definitely not worth $30/year to keep it going.
I only use it to terminate my IPKall USA number since Sipgate stopped
doing it. I can easily transfer it to my Gradwell account so no loss
really.
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:25:58 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
<ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>In news:0u5m94te6o6743rojph5kg8qr0dsrk20bh@4ax.com,
>mymail@hotmail.com <mymail@hotmail.com> typed, for some strange,
>unexplained reason:
>: On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:04:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>:
>: >In news:6fttvtFdc88iU1@mid.individual.net,
>: >cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
>: >reason:
>: >: Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1
>: >: September, it'll cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems
>: >: to be per email address rather than per number of SIP accounts, so
>: >: mayhap we could all club together as member(at)utv.org.uk for one
>: >: humungous FWD sip a/c?
>: >:
>: >: Not in the spirit of commerce I know, but those of you who are as
>: >: mean as me will understand.
>: >
>: >Link to this info please..? Nothing obvious on the FWD site.
>:
>: Info sent by email to all account holders which is where the poster
>: above got the info from .
>
>Funny that because I am an account holder and I haven't had this email.
>The FWD site still says it's a free service.
Its odd that if they really have decided to charge for the service
they still have the graphic on the front page saying "FWD let's you
talk... ... for Free... ... for Good"
You'd have thought they would have quietly removed that banner some
time ago.
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:34:24 +0100, steveybar wrote:
> This is a copy of the email I received today:
[...]
> Free World Dialup is implementing a $30 USD annual membership fee during the
> month of August after 12 years as a free service.
Hmm, but what do you actually get for $30 per year?
[...]
> a complete break from telephone network. FWD's future as a Communication ISP
> will include only those services that do not have a per minute charge.
Aehh, but what are those services?
My understanding so far was that FWD was only a free SIP server (similar to
what you can get from iptel.org), so why would you want to pay for it?
Christof
-- http://cmeerw.org sip:cmeerw at cmeerw.org
mailto:cmeerw at cmeerw.org xmpp:cmeerw at cmeerw.org
On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:23:40 +0100, cybuerke wrote:
> Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1 September, it'll
> cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems to be per email address
> rather than per number of SIP accounts, so mayhap we could all club together
> as member(at)utv.org.uk for one humungous FWD sip a/c?
I have my FWD account simply for terminating tollfree calls to Germany,
Norway and the Netherlands. I can do without it other than for that.
Is there any service I could use at no cost to terminate these calls? I
would be interested in such a service for other countries too, but I have
UK and North America already covered.
--
Phil Reynolds
DON'T MAIL IN RESPONSE - I am unlikely to read it
Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/
Waltham 66, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95
On 2008-08-12, Phil Reynolds <phil-news@tinsleyviaduct.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:23:40 +0100, cybuerke wrote:
>
>> Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1 September, it'll
>> cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems to be per email address
>> rather than per number of SIP accounts, so mayhap we could all club together
>> as member(at)utv.org.uk for one humungous FWD sip a/c?
>
> I have my FWD account simply for terminating tollfree calls to Germany,
> Norway and the Netherlands. I can do without it other than for that.
>
> Is there any service I could use at no cost to terminate these calls? I
> would be interested in such a service for other countries too, but I have
> UK and North America already covered.
If there's an operator offering to carry these advertising in e164.org,
then SipBroker will do this.
On 2008-08-13, Soruk <soruk@bitbucket.eridani.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2008-08-12, Phil Reynolds <phil-news@tinsleyviaduct.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:23:40 +0100, cybuerke wrote:
>>
>>> Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1 September, it'll
>>> cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems to be per email address
>>> rather than per number of SIP accounts, so mayhap we could all club together
>>> as member(at)utv.org.uk for one humungous FWD sip a/c?
>>
>> I have my FWD account simply for terminating tollfree calls to Germany,
>> Norway and the Netherlands. I can do without it other than for that.
>>
>> Is there any service I could use at no cost to terminate these calls? I
>> would be interested in such a service for other countries too, but I have
>> UK and North America already covered.
>
> If there's an operator offering to carry these advertising in e164.org,
> then SipBroker will do this.
>
> You can check http://www.enumquery.org/ to see if there's an ENUM
> record.
Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> In news:0u5m94te6o6743rojph5kg8qr0dsrk20bh@4ax.com,
> mymail@hotmail.com <mymail@hotmail.com> typed, for some strange,
> unexplained reason:
> : On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:04:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> : <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> :
> : >In news:6fttvtFdc88iU1@mid.individual.net,
> : >cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> : >reason:
> : >: Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1
> : >: September, it'll cost $30 per year for your account with FWD. Seems
> : >: to be per email address rather than per number of SIP accounts, so
> : >: mayhap we could all club together as member(at)utv.org.uk for one
> : >: humungous FWD sip a/c?
> : >:
> : >
> : >Link to this info please..? Nothing obvious on the FWD site.
> :
> : Info sent by email to all account holders which is where the poster
> : above got the info from .
> Funny that because I am an account holder and I haven't had this email.
> The FWD site still says it's a free service.
Ivor, I have accounts and have received the same notice, maybe
it was in your spam box? FWD is notoriously crap at updating their
website on service problems etc.. and I'm sure they're crap at updating
things such as this. Also not too reliable on keeping the freephone
gateways active and working. As someone else said "Where's the value?"?
I think it's a huge mistake and the end of the usefulness of FWD, there
are many (like relatives) who have no idea they are even using FWD,
or any notion of how "that box" their family member set up for them
works. These type of people surely are not interested in paying
$30/year for it. The fact is, FWD is just a large SIP registrar service
with no direct inbound/outbound PSTN offerings of their own, the one
major cost could be the audio proxy (which, is horrible to use, but can
be a last resort on some networks with NAT traversal problems).
I thought the commercial offerings FWD brought out were supposed
to subsidize the free offering anyway? When it comes down to it, if
they truely disconnect all non-paid users at the end of Aug I think the
user base will shrink by several orders of magnitude and diminish any
value to the service that it had. All you have to do is compute how
much you can call using $30 of credit at somewhere like voicestick.com
which actually has real inbound/outbound PSTN connectivity (and an audio
proxy). Don't forget as well that voicestick (and possibly others)
don't charge for subscriber to subscriber calls. Basically a $10
deposit gets you the same as FWD along with the number, free calls to
others on the network, and ability to PSTN outbound if you need or want
it. Of course you lose on the peering arrangements and other things
but it seems the relationships/fucntioning/usefulness of those comes and
goes at random just like the FWD freephone gateway.
Don't forget voipuser.org either, a great alternative to FWD and
in my experience MUCH more robust/reliable.
In news:g87816$2pq$1@news.xmission.com,
B. Wright <bmwright@xmission.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: > In news:0u5m94te6o6743rojph5kg8qr0dsrk20bh@4ax.com,
: > mymail@hotmail.com <mymail@hotmail.com> typed, for some strange,
: > unexplained reason:
: > : On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:04:29 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: > : <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: > :
: > : >In news:6fttvtFdc88iU1@mid.individual.net,
: > : >cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange,
: > : >unexplained reason:
: > : >: Thats's all folks! Jeff Pulver has just spoken. As from 1
: > : >: September, it'll cost $30 per year for your account with FWD.
: > : >: Seems to be per email address rather than per number of SIP
: > : >: accounts, so mayhap we could all club together as
: > : >: member(at)utv.org.uk for one humungous FWD sip a/c?
: > : >:
: > : >
: > : >Link to this info please..? Nothing obvious on the FWD site.
: > :
: > : Info sent by email to all account holders which is where the
: > : poster above got the info from .
:
: > Funny that because I am an account holder and I haven't had this
: > email. The FWD site still says it's a free service.
:
: Ivor, I have accounts and have received the same notice, maybe
: it was in your spam box? FWD is notoriously crap at updating their
: website on service problems etc.. and I'm sure they're crap at
: updating things such as this.
Possible, I do get around 200 or so spams a day.
: Also not too reliable on keeping the
: freephone gateways active and working. As someone else said "Where's
: the value?"? I think it's a huge mistake and the end of the
: usefulness of FWD, there are many (like relatives) who have no idea
: they are even using FWD,
: or any notion of how "that box" their family member set up for them
: works. These type of people surely are not interested in paying
: $30/year for it. The fact is, FWD is just a large SIP registrar
: service with no direct inbound/outbound PSTN offerings of their own,
: the one major cost could be the audio proxy (which, is horrible to
: use, but can be a last resort on some networks with NAT traversal
: problems).
The only thing I currently use FWD for is terminating my IPKall USA number
but I can point it at my Gradwell account I suppose. The other occasional
useful function is access to US 800 numbers, but I don't need those all
that often.
What would be useful is a US equivalent of Sipgate where I could have a US
number and local call rates there but I don't know of any that are free
like Sipgate. Call me a cheapskate if you like but I don't need outbound
access there often enough to make it worth a monthly charge and it's only
1.5p/min on Sipgate anyway.
Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> In news:g87816$2pq$1@news.xmission.com,
> B. Wright <bmwright@xmission.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : Also not too reliable on keeping the
> : freephone gateways active and working. As someone else said "Where's
> : the value?"? I think it's a huge mistake and the end of the
> : usefulness of FWD, there are many (like relatives) who have no idea
> : they are even using FWD,
> : or any notion of how "that box" their family member set up for them
> : works. These type of people surely are not interested in paying
> : $30/year for it. The fact is, FWD is just a large SIP registrar
> : service with no direct inbound/outbound PSTN offerings of their own,
> : the one major cost could be the audio proxy (which, is horrible to
> : use, but can be a last resort on some networks with NAT traversal
> : problems).
> The only thing I currently use FWD for is terminating my IPKall USA number
> but I can point it at my Gradwell account I suppose. The other occasional
> useful function is access to US 800 numbers, but I don't need those all
> that often.
> What would be useful is a US equivalent of Sipgate where I could have a US
> number and local call rates there but I don't know of any that are free
> like Sipgate. Call me a cheapskate if you like but I don't need outbound
> access there often enough to make it worth a monthly charge and it's only
> 1.5p/min on Sipgate anyway.
Voicestick is next to free you get an incoming number, they
claim there's a min of $1/mo usage but have not charged me. When I
asked their support their say there are no monthly charges (and over
several months I've confirmed this). The only bad parts are small per
minute incoming charges on the number and the US call rates are 2x what
it costs to call UK landline (can't figure that out). I'm sure
freephone 800 are also charged at local US rates (.02/min) but even at
2x the UK rates these are quite cheap. You have to fund the account
with $10USD initially, but, that seems quite low as well and the credit
doesn't have an expiry if not used.
In news:4elja41fsoqemf4qmb2ql4102tetehos33@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:37:03 +0100, B <Á@> wrote:
:
: >On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:23:59 +0100, Ivor Jones said in article
: >
: >>Call me a cheapskate if you like ...
: >
: >Seconded.
: I have had that opinion of him for quite some time .
Hello Ron. Nothing wrong with being a cheapskate; why spend money if you
don't have to..?
In news:946la4594q27g8ma5becbmdhv7ko958smt@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
unexplained reason:
: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:44:39 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
: <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
:
: >In news:4elja41fsoqemf4qmb2ql4102tetehos33@4ax.com,
: >mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> typed, for some strange,
: >unexplained reason:
: >: On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:37:03 +0100, B <Á@> wrote:
: >:
: >: >On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:23:59 +0100, Ivor Jones said in article
: >: >
: >: >>Call me a cheapskate if you like ...
: >: >
: >: >Seconded.
: >: I have had that opinion of him for quite some time .
: >
: >Hello Ron. Nothing wrong with being a cheapskate; why spend money if
: >you don't have to..?
: Why leave it in the bank and let someone else spend it for you when
: you are gone which I have no intention on doing .
You misunderstand, Ron. I'll spend it all right, just not on something I
can get for free.
FreeWorldDialup ends the free ride. 
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