I havn't seen a single post yet about the Fritz!Box Fon. I got one to
try, but calls made through it - even straight to the POTS - suffer from
echo. There also seems to be a little attenuation, but it's mainly the
echo I object to.
I have gone back to the BugeTone phone. The quality of that is superb,
I'm just disappointed that I can't integrate my DECT phones into VoIP.
I know there are other options out there, but I have already spent quite
enough on what is after all an immature and less than totally reliable
service.
If anyone has any knowledge on how to get the FritzBox to do a decent job,
I would be grateful. If anyone can catagorically state from personal
experience that it is a heap of junk that will never give me what I want,
then I will still be grateful (and p***ed off), as at least I can feel
good about not wasting my time as well as my money!!
> I havn't seen a single post yet about the Fritz!Box Fon.
Indeed, the Fritz!Box is not a favourite in the UK. However, in Germany it
is.
Every 2dn treat in the german Voip newsgroup is about this device
see: news:://de.comm.internet.telefonie
> If anyone has any knowledge on how to get the FritzBox to do a decent job,
> I would be grateful. If anyone can catagorically state from personal
> experience that it is a heap of junk that will never give me what I want,
> then I will still be grateful (and p***ed off)
in Germany most of the users are very happy with this allround device:
adsl modem + router + ISDN PBX + Voip gateway in one
"Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
news:opstpnif1ma48l90@office...
> Hi
>
> I havn't seen a single post yet about the Fritz!Box Fon. I got one to
> try, but calls made through it - even straight to the POTS - suffer from
> echo. There also seems to be a little attenuation, but it's mainly the
> echo I object to.
>
> I have gone back to the BugeTone phone. The quality of that is superb,
> I'm just disappointed that I can't integrate my DECT phones into VoIP.
>
> I know there are other options out there, but I have already spent quite
> enough on what is after all an immature and less than totally reliable
> service.
>
> If anyone has any knowledge on how to get the FritzBox to do a decent
> job, I would be grateful. If anyone can catagorically state from
> personal experience that it is a heap of junk that will never give me
> what I want, then I will still be grateful (and p***ed off), as at
> least I can feel good about not wasting my time as well as my money!!
I will be getting one in a few days, I'll let you know how I get on. Apart
from the voice quality, how do you find it..? Was it easy to configure..?
Alan Foster:
>If anyone can catagorically state from personal experience that it is a
>heap of junk
Can't say that, but I can tell you I looked at it and rejected it as they
haven't got a wireless version.
I bought Zyxel 2602HWL, which has two VoIP ports that can dial on PSTN line
and it works just fine. Unfortunately broadbandbuyer.co.uk now corrected
their price, so isn't cheap anymore :-(
Regards,
Martin
They seem to know what they are talking about; and let me return my
Fritz!Box through them......they have much more VoIP products and even
suggested me to get some other brand. The Dutch website (Producten =
Products) lists a lot.....but they got more --> just send them an email.
Very good service at Xeloq. Prices also good and quality - very good. I am a
customer there for 1,5 year.....
Henry
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:rgu2d1d12vkcn4oq73fn2uarenva5idbfa@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:40:53 +0100, "Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >I know there are other options out there, but I have already spent quite
> >enough on what is after all an immature and less than totally reliable
> >service.
> To which provider are you are you attributing your above statement
> Alan they aren't all tarred with the same brush you know .
> > If anyone can catagorically state from personal
> >experience that it is a heap of junk that will never give me what I want,
> >then I will still be grateful (and p***ed off), as at least I can feel
> >good about not wasting my time as well as my money!!
> This box of junk has you call it wasn't supplied by a German sip
> provider by any chance !.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:3jdumeFp9eikU1@individual.net...
>
> "Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
> news:opstpnif1ma48l90@office...
>> Hi
>>
>> I havn't seen a single post yet about the Fritz!Box Fon. I got one to
>> try, but calls made through it - even straight to the POTS - suffer
>> from echo. There also seems to be a little attenuation, but it's
>> mainly the echo I object to.
>>
>> I have gone back to the BugeTone phone. The quality of that is superb,
>> I'm just disappointed that I can't integrate my DECT phones into VoIP.
>>
>> I know there are other options out there, but I have already spent
>> quite enough on what is after all an immature and less than totally
>> reliable service.
>>
>> If anyone has any knowledge on how to get the FritzBox to do a decent
>> job, I would be grateful. If anyone can catagorically state from
>> personal experience that it is a heap of junk that will never give me
>> what I want, then I will still be grateful (and p***ed off), as at
>> least I can feel good about not wasting my time as well as my money!!
>
> I will be getting one in a few days, I'll let you know how I get on.
> Apart from the voice quality, how do you find it..? Was it easy to
> configure..?
>
> Ivor
Well I've just received my Fritz!Box Fon this morning and after a little
confusion I have set it up and it seems to work fine.
The only gripe I have is the dial tone sounds like NU tone and the ringing
tone sounds like busy tone. Is there a way to alter the tones..? I can't
find it if there is. Apart from that I'm quite pleased.
"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
news:42d1cd30$0$6309$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
> Alan Foster:
>>If anyone can catagorically state from personal experience that it is a
>>heap of junk
>
> Can't say that, but I can tell you I looked at it and rejected it as
> they haven't got a wireless version.
> I bought Zyxel 2602HWL, which has two VoIP ports that can dial on PSTN
> line and it works just fine. Unfortunately broadbandbuyer.co.uk now
> corrected their price, so isn't cheap anymore :-(
> Regards,
> Martin
According to their website, they will be bringing out a wireless version
soon, if it isn't already available.
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:45:35 +0100, <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:40:53 +0100, "Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> I know there are other options out there, but I have already spent quite
>> enough on what is after all an immature and less than totally reliable
>> service.
> To which provider are you are you attributing your above statement
> Alan they aren't all tarred with the same brush you know .
I am not tarring anyone - I stand by what is a true statement about VoIP
in general. I accept that there are some organisations that give better
service than others, and there are some that offer better cost
effectiveness. As with all technologies (mobile phones/broadband/DVD
recorders etc) it takes some time for the product to mature and costs to
stabilise to reasonable levels. The journey up to this point is not for
the feint-hearted, or those that are not willing to invest some time and
money without guarantee. This journey will only satisfy those who are
willing to accept that there is still a way to go, and who are happy to
make what positive contribution they can in order to help with the
development and adoption of the technology.
>> If anyone can catagorically state from personal
>> experience that it is a heap of junk that will never give me what I
>> want,
>> then I will still be grateful (and p***ed off), as at least I can feel
>> good about not wasting my time as well as my money!!
> This box of junk has you call it wasn't supplied by a German sip
> provider by any chance !.
Read again - I did not say it was a box of junk - nor indeed did I say it
was a heap of junk - I asked if anyone else could call it that from
personal experience!
Like most others on this newsgroup, I am only interested in
positive/qualified/intelligent contributions for the benefit of
like-minded people. I am too mature to join in your hate campaign. As
Thumper said: 'If you can't say something nice - don't say anything at
all'.
Fortunately, I see that there are several positive replies to my post so
if you will excuse me, I will move on to them now.
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:18:03 +0200, Henry F III
<henry.fartknocker@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The MAIN reason that it might NOT work ok is because you probably have
> the
> German version or an old UK version that ONLY has the g711 codec.
>
> In Germany AVM ONLY focusses on the g711 codec.
>
> The new UK version also has the g729 codec but you can ONLY use that on
> ONE
> channel at the same time.
>
> Please check http://www.xeloq.com
>
> They seem to know what they are talking about; and let me return my
> Fritz!Box through them......they have much more VoIP products and even
> suggested me to get some other brand. The Dutch website (Producten =
> Products) lists a lot.....but they got more --> just send them an email.
>
> Very good service at Xeloq. Prices also good and quality - very good. I
> am a
> customer there for 1,5 year.....
>
> Henry
>
Thanks for that Henry. I wondered if it might be a codec thing - it seems
plausible.
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:06:48 +0200, Philippe Deleye
<Philippe.Deleye@advalvas.be> wrote:
>
> Indeed, the Fritz!Box is not a favourite in the UK. However, in Germany
> it
> is.
> Every 2dn treat in the german Voip newsgroup is about this device
> see: news:://de.comm.internet.telefonie
>
> in Germany most of the users are very happy with this allround device:
> adsl modem + router + ISDN PBX + Voip gateway in one
Thanks Philippe. I guess Henry's post may have hit the nail on the head.
If Germany and the UK are using different codecs, it could explain why
Germans are happy and I am not.
"Alan Foster" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
news:opstri5kh3a48l90@office...
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:06:48 +0200, Philippe Deleye
> <Philippe.Deleye@advalvas.be> wrote:
>
>>
>> Indeed, the Fritz!Box is not a favourite in the UK. However, in Germany
>> it
>> is.
>> Every 2dn treat in the german Voip newsgroup is about this device
>> see: news:://de.comm.internet.telefonie
>>
>> in Germany most of the users are very happy with this allround device:
>> adsl modem + router + ISDN PBX + Voip gateway in one
>
>
> Thanks Philippe. I guess Henry's post may have hit the nail on the
> head. If Germany and the UK are using different codecs, it could
> explain why Germans are happy and I am not.
>
> I shall do some more research into this.
What firmware version are you using, Alan..? Also do you have the regional
settings set to UK..? The latest firmware is 06.03.62 which I downloaded
and installed on my Fritz!Box today.
It works fine here with Sipgate, as I said the only gripe I have is the
dial tone and ringing tones generated by the unit are non-standard and
until I get used to them (or figure out how to change them) will continue
to confuse me..!
If you want to compare notes, feel free to email me off the group, let me
know your number if you want to chat.
--
Ivor
(replace 'invalid' with 'com' in sending address to reply direct)
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:02:52 +0100, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid>
wrote:
>> I will be getting one in a few days, I'll let you know how I get on.
>> Apart from the voice quality, how do you find it..? Was it easy to
>> configure..?
Well I would have answered this question but you beat me to it!... see
below:
>
> Well I've just received my Fritz!Box Fon this morning and after a little
> confusion I have set it up and it seems to work fine.
>
See, you didn't need my answer did you? :-)
> The only gripe I have is the dial tone sounds like NU tone and the
> ringing
> tone sounds like busy tone. Is there a way to alter the tones..? I can't
> find it if there is. Apart from that I'm quite pleased.
If you download the manual from the AVM website, you will find it covers a
bit more than the Installation Manual that comes in the box. The tones
are shown graphically on page 12, however I don't think they can be
changed.
To tell the truth Ivor, I haven't really spent any time fiddling about
with it. Because I found the echo so annoying, I discontinued messing with
it until such time as I can get a solution. Haven't you noticed an
echo?... is it just mine? I realise that due to a high frequency hearing
loss, the echo has a greater effect on intellegability to me than it would
others, but the fact is I just cannot work with it and need to find a
solution if I am to be able to use it.
Otherwise, It would seem to be a useful gaget! - I won't give up on it
completely until I have exhausted all avenues towards a solution of the
echo... cho... ho... o.
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:36:45 +0100, Martin² <never@give.one> wrote:
> Can't say that, but I can tell you I looked at it and rejected it as they
> haven't got a wireless version.
> I bought Zyxel 2602HWL, which has two VoIP ports that can dial on PSTN
> line
> and it works just fine. Unfortunately broadbandbuyer.co.uk now corrected
> their price, so isn't cheap anymore :-(
Thanks Martin.
Don't need wireless myself, and as I said in my post, I can't afford to
throw any more money at it just yet. Nevertheless, your comments are
appreciated and noted for future reference.
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:14:08 +0100, Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid>
wrote:
>
>
> What firmware version are you using, Alan..? Also do you have the
> regional
> settings set to UK..? The latest firmware is 06.03.62 which I downloaded
> and installed on my Fritz!Box today.
Firmware up to date - downloaded from AVM... set to UK.
I suspect that it might be a codec problem... unfortunately the pressure
of work means I won't be able to play again until the weekend.
> the only gripe I have is the
> dial tone and ringing tones generated by the unit
See my reply in other post.
>
> If you want to compare notes, feel free to email me off the group, let me
> know your number if you want to chat.
>
I appreciate that Ivor. At the moment my IP phone and computer are in
different parts of the house... believe me, there is some logic in this
(and hence the reason I wanted the Fritz!Box in the first place!).
Alan Foster wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:02:52 +0100, Ivor Jones
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>>> I will be getting one in a few days, I'll let you know how I get
>>> on. Apart from the voice quality, how do you find it..? Was it
>>> easy to configure..?
>
> Well I would have answered this question but you beat me to it!...
> see below:
>
>>
>> Well I've just received my Fritz!Box Fon this morning and after a
>> little confusion I have set it up and it seems to work fine.
>>
>
> See, you didn't need my answer did you? :-)
I wasn't expecting it to arrive so fast, the postal service is working
better than usual ;-)
>> The only gripe I have is the dial tone sounds like NU tone and the
>> ringing
>> tone sounds like busy tone. Is there a way to alter the tones..? I
>> can't find it if there is. Apart from that I'm quite pleased.
>
> If you download the manual from the AVM website, you will find it
> covers a bit more than the Installation Manual that comes in the
> box. The tones are shown graphically on page 12, however I don't
> think they can be changed.
That page just shows the pattern of the tones, it doesn't state their
audio frequency. I am awaiting a reply from AVM to see if this can be
addressed in a future firmware update.
> To tell the truth Ivor, I haven't really spent any time fiddling
> about with it. Because I found the echo so annoying, I discontinued
> messing with it until such time as I can get a solution. Haven't
> you noticed an echo?... is it just mine? I realise that due to a
> high frequency hearing loss, the echo has a greater effect on
> intellegability to me than it would others, but the fact is I just
> cannot work with it and need to find a solution if I am to be able
> to use it.
No, definitely no echo. I have noticed a slight attenuation in received
audio on calls, but not to the extent I can't use it.
> Otherwise, It would seem to be a useful gaget! - I won't give up on
> it completely until I have exhausted all avenues towards a solution
> of the echo... cho... ho... o.
I don't know then, as I definitely don't have an echo..!
Fritz!Box Fon anyone? 
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