I am waiting for my MAC from Pipex with the intention of transferring to O2
which has just become available on my exchange.
I currently use VOIP via a Fritz Box 7140, which works very well and prefer
not to use the O2 router provided (speedtouch 780wl with propriety O2
software) which I understand would not be suitable for us as we use more
than one VOIP provider.
I have the settings for the box from the O2 website, but they do not provide
any support for otehr routers. From a post in an O2/Be forum, it appears
that Fritz Box Fon may not connect at as fast a speed as the proprietary O2
router. I know that I could connect the Fritz Box to the O2 box, but I would
then lose some of the advantages of the Fritz Box VOIP handling.
Does anyone have a Fritz Box working well on O2/Be or should I not choose O2
as my new ISP?
> I currently use VOIP via a Fritz Box 7140, which works very well and
> prefer not to use the O2 router provided (speedtouch 780wl with
> propriety O2 software) which I understand would not be suitable for us
> as we use more than one VOIP provider.
I've got this on Be and the VoIP bit sucks.
> I know that I could connect the Fritz Box to the O2 box, but I would
> then lose some of the advantages of the Fritz Box VOIP handling.
What are they?
I know some Fritz models have an ethernet WAN as well as ADSL. If yours
does, you could put the BeBox in bridge mode and give the public IP to
the Fritzbox. This will eliminate any NAT problems for the Fritzbox.
> Does anyone have a Fritz Box working well on O2/Be or should I not
> choose O2 as my new ISP?
It's hardly likely to be slower than Pipex, is it?
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"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:52:32 +0000, RJ wrote:
>
> What are advantages of the Fritz Box VOIP handling?
I was referring to the bandwidth management which I understand prioritises
VOIP. I believe that if the box is connected via a LAN rather than directly
to the phone line, this won't apply.
> I know some Fritz models have an ethernet WAN as well as ADSL. If yours
> does, you could put the BeBox in bridge mode and give the public IP to
> the Fritzbox. This will eliminate any NAT problems for the Fritzbox.
I am able to select in my software Internet connection via LAN 1 (Select
this kind of connection if FRITZ!Box is to be connected to an already
existing DSL router.) Apart from the lack of bandwidth management, I would
prefer not to have to use two boxes.
>
> It's hardly likely to be slower than Pipex, is it?
I am sure that you are correct - but my problem with Pipex is loss of
services from time to time and ineffective customer service.
> "alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> I know some Fritz models have an ethernet WAN as well as ADSL. If yours
>> does, you could put the BeBox in bridge mode and give the public IP to
>> the Fritzbox. This will eliminate any NAT problems for the Fritzbox.
>
> I am able to select in my software Internet connection via LAN 1 (Select
> this kind of connection if FRITZ!Box is to be connected to an already
> existing DSL router.) Apart from the lack of bandwidth management, I
> would prefer not to have to use two boxes.
Sorry, by ethernet WAN I meant using the Fritzbox as a router, if it's
capable of doing so.
>> It's hardly likely to be slower than Pipex, is it?
>
> I am sure that you are correct - but my problem with Pipex is loss of
> services from time to time
I've had no loss of connection since September 2007 when I joined, but
Be's DNS and SMTP smarthost can be a little flaky from time to time.
> and ineffective customer service.
I've had no problems with Be's eastern-bloc customer services, although
O2's are UK-based so YMMV.
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"RJ" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I am waiting for my MAC from Pipex with the intention of transferring to O2
>which has just become available on my exchange.
>
>
>
> I currently use VOIP via a Fritz Box 7140, which works very well and
> prefer not to use the O2 router provided (speedtouch 780wl with propriety
> O2 software) which I understand would not be suitable for us as we use
> more than one VOIP provider.
>
>
>
> I have the settings for the box from the O2 website, but they do not
> provide any support for otehr routers. From a post in an O2/Be forum, it
> appears that Fritz Box Fon may not connect at as fast a speed as the
> proprietary O2 router. I know that I could connect the Fritz Box to the O2
> box, but I would then lose some of the advantages of the Fritz Box VOIP
> handling.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a Fritz Box working well on O2/Be or should I not choose
> O2 as my new ISP?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Roger
I have a 7050 on O2. I tried connecting the 7050 to DSL but I was
disappointed with the sync (ADSL2+ was an afterthought on this Fritz!Box) I
am sure I could ask O2 to tweak things a bit, but a 1mb drop vs O2 wireless
box was too much for me and I didn't expect much improvement.
So I tried connecting the Fritz as a switch to the O2 wireless box. Big
mistake. The O2 wireless box does something to the network config and I
could not get my e-mail and webserver working... VoIP was fine (remember
that the O2 wireless box is a voip box and so I believe it uses QoS. You
can also get VoIP working on the O2 wireless box with the SuperUser login)
So plan 3 was installing the bridge1.tpl on the O2 box. I have to say this
works a treat as I get all the benefits of both boxes. Only problem is that
the http management interfaces do not work on the O2 wireless box, so I
cannot get onto it to disable WLAN etc. Any tips gratefully received...
Hope this helps you decide the best config. I have found my O2 wireless
does occasionally drop DSL sync, but nowhere near as much as the Fritz (4-5
times a day). Remember to enter the sync speeds into the Fritz to make sure
that it manages bandwidth in the best way.
Make good use of www.beforum.co.uk - they have lots of good tips there too.
If you need the tpl it is on there, or PM me (remember to edit the address!)
and I will send it to you.
I get on well with O2, but some people had problems following an outage
recently. I have found their tech support to be good (and free!) in the
last two months I have been with them.
In message <W-adnXdfDOTpDn7aRVnyhQA@pipex.net>, RJ <nospam@nospam.com>
writes
>
>Does anyone have a Fritz Box working well on O2/Be or should I not
>choose O2 as my new ISP?
>
Yes, working impeccably.
The Fritz box is on Be and the call quality is faultless; no one knows
that my calls are via a voip provider. All calls other than 0800, 1471,
1571, and 999 go via my voip providers (not the plural).
> So plan 3 was installing the bridge1.tpl on the O2 box. I have to say
> this works a treat as I get all the benefits of both boxes. Only
> problem is that the http management interfaces do not work on the O2
> wireless box, so I cannot get onto it to disable WLAN etc. Any tips
> gratefully received...
Mine's in bridged mode, and I can still access it by it's IP address. You
have to have an interface in the same subnet as the Bebox - ie my BeBox
is 192.168.1.254 and my PC is 192.168.1.3.
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"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:30:54 +0000, Herman wrote:
>
>> So plan 3 was installing the bridge1.tpl on the O2 box. I have to say
>> this works a treat as I get all the benefits of both boxes. Only
>> problem is that the http management interfaces do not work on the O2
>> wireless box, so I cannot get onto it to disable WLAN etc. Any tips
>> gratefully received...
>
> Mine's in bridged mode, and I can still access it by it's IP address. You
> have to have an interface in the same subnet as the Bebox - ie my BeBox
> is 192.168.1.254 and my PC is 192.168.1.3.
>
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> Convergence, n: The act of using separate DSL circuits for voice and data
Tried all that. There are two IP addresses I have configured for using on
LAN ports. Configured static IP on the client PC in the same subnet, with
each address to try to access it but to no avail. I have pasted the ip.ini
section of the bridge1.tpl in case that sheds any light...
> "alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47e4e3fe$0$627$bed64819@news.gradwell.net...
>> Mine's in bridged mode, and I can still access it by it's IP address.
>> You have to have an interface in the same subnet as the Bebox - ie my
>> BeBox is 192.168.1.254 and my PC is 192.168.1.3.
> Tried all that. There are two IP addresses I have configured for using
> on LAN ports. Configured static IP on the client PC in the same subnet,
> with each address to try to access it but to no avail. I have pasted
> the ip.ini section of the bridge1.tpl in case that sheds any light...
I'm just using the standard multi-IP 3 ports config, and I've customised
it by enabling SNMP and the fourth port.
In other news, I've given up trying to get the built-in ATA to register
with the Asterisk box plugged into its LAN. However your post has
reminded that me it also has a 10.0.0.0/24 address so maybe I'll give
that a shot. It would be handy to use the ATA on the Bebox and put my
standalone ATA to better use.
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"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm just using the standard multi-IP 3 ports config, and I've customised
> it by enabling SNMP and the fourth port.
Could you let me know where you got your template file from? That might
give me a starting point. I take it you're using a 780 as well? The
template I am using was designed for a 716 which could be the problem.
> In other news, I've given up trying to get the built-in ATA to register
> with the Asterisk box plugged into its LAN. However your post has
> reminded that me it also has a 10.0.0.0/24 address so maybe I'll give
> that a shot. It would be handy to use the ATA on the Bebox and put my
> standalone ATA to better use.
>
I got the voice working with voip.co.uk no probs - but only in router mode.
I tried pasting the appropriate config into the bridge1.tpl file, but it
doesn't seem to like it for some reason.
> Could you let me know where you got your template file from? That might
> give me a starting point. I take it you're using a 780 as well? The
> template I am using was designed for a 716 which could be the problem.
Yeah, 780wl. Template came on the box as shipped from Be, aside from the
aforementioned changes.
>> It would be handy to use the ATA on the Bebox and put my standalone
>> ATA to better use.
>>
> I got the voice working with voip.co.uk no probs - but only in router
> mode. I tried pasting the appropriate config into the bridge1.tpl file,
> but it doesn't seem to like it for some reason.
If you're trying to use the ATA bit in bridge mode with a SIP server out
on the internet, it's never going to work: the box doesn't have a public
IP in bridge mode, so where's the SIP server going to send its replies
to? :-p Hence me mentioning that it also has a 10.0.0.0/24 address - I'll
give my Asterisk box an address in that network and see what happens.
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"Malcolm Loades" <devnull@spam-trap.org.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <W-adnXdfDOTpDn7aRVnyhQA@pipex.net>, RJ <nospam@nospam.com>
> writes
>>
>>Does anyone have a Fritz Box working well on O2/Be or should I not choose
>>O2 as my new ISP?
>>
> Yes, working impeccably.
>
> The Fritz box is on Be and the call quality is faultless; no one knows
> that my calls are via a voip provider. All calls other than 0800, 1471,
> 1571, and 999 go via my voip providers (not the plural).
Thanks. My concern is actually about the ADSL rather than the VOIP. There
have been reports that the Fritz 7140, whilst having ADSL2+ does not sync
well with O2/Be. The firmware upgrade to version 39.04.47 did claim to
improve connections to some ISPs and so might have solved this problem. Are
you using the 7140 or 7170 with updated firmware.
As far as VOIP is concerned, it works very well on my 1 Mbps Pipex
connection and like you I have more than one VOIP number working really
well.
I have not yet completed signing up with O2 and selected them because of
good reviews. If my Fritz Box is going to be a problem then I shall choose
someone else.
> I have a 7050 on O2. I tried connecting the 7050 to DSL but I was
> disappointed with the sync (ADSL2+ was an afterthought on this Fritz!Box)
> I am sure I could ask O2 to tweak things a bit, but a 1mb drop vs O2
> wireless box was too much for me and I didn't expect much improvement.
>
> So I tried connecting the Fritz as a switch to the O2 wireless box. Big
> mistake. The O2 wireless box does something to the network config and I
> could not get my e-mail and webserver working... VoIP was fine (remember
> that the O2 wireless box is a voip box and so I believe it uses QoS. You
> can also get VoIP working on the O2 wireless box with the SuperUser login)
>
> So plan 3 was installing the bridge1.tpl on the O2 box. I have to say
> this works a treat as I get all the benefits of both boxes. Only problem
> is that the http management interfaces do not work on the O2 wireless box,
> so I cannot get onto it to disable WLAN etc. Any tips gratefully
> received...
>
> Hope this helps you decide the best config. I have found my O2 wireless
> does occasionally drop DSL sync, but nowhere near as much as the Fritz
> (4-5 times a day). Remember to enter the sync speeds into the Fritz to
> make sure that it manages bandwidth in the best way.
>
> Make good use of www.beforum.co.uk - they have lots of good tips there
> too. If you need the tpl it is on there, or PM me (remember to edit the
> address!) and I will send it to you.
>
> I get on well with O2, but some people had problems following an outage
> recently. I have found their tech support to be good (and free!) in the
> last two months I have been with them.
Thanks. My 7140 does have ADSL2+ and a recent firmware upgrade (39.04.47)
claimed to improve the connection to some ISPs and so may have solved the
problem with O2/Be. I don't have to switch to O2 and would rather not get
involved in using two boxes (and at the moment I do not have sufficient
understanding to do that) but would like confirmation that my Fritz will
work. I have tried the unofficial be forum and the O2 forum and have now
contacted AVM by email. If I learn anything useful will post the result.
"RJ" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> I have a 7050 on O2. I tried connecting the 7050 to DSL but I was
>> disappointed with the sync (ADSL2+ was an afterthought on this Fritz!Box)
>> I am sure I could ask O2 to tweak things a bit, but a 1mb drop vs O2
>> wireless box was too much for me and I didn't expect much improvement.
>>
>> So I tried connecting the Fritz as a switch to the O2 wireless box. Big
>> mistake. The O2 wireless box does something to the network config and I
>> could not get my e-mail and webserver working... VoIP was fine (remember
>> that the O2 wireless box is a voip box and so I believe it uses QoS. You
>> can also get VoIP working on the O2 wireless box with the SuperUser
>> login)
>>
>> So plan 3 was installing the bridge1.tpl on the O2 box. I have to say
>> this works a treat as I get all the benefits of both boxes. Only problem
>> is that the http management interfaces do not work on the O2 wireless
>> box, so I cannot get onto it to disable WLAN etc. Any tips gratefully
>> received...
>>
>> Hope this helps you decide the best config. I have found my O2 wireless
>> does occasionally drop DSL sync, but nowhere near as much as the Fritz
>> (4-5 times a day). Remember to enter the sync speeds into the Fritz to
>> make sure that it manages bandwidth in the best way.
>>
>> Make good use of www.beforum.co.uk - they have lots of good tips there
>> too. If you need the tpl it is on there, or PM me (remember to edit the
>> address!) and I will send it to you.
>>
>> I get on well with O2, but some people had problems following an outage
>> recently. I have found their tech support to be good (and free!) in the
>> last two months I have been with them.
>
> Thanks. My 7140 does have ADSL2+ and a recent firmware upgrade (39.04.47)
> claimed to improve the connection to some ISPs and so may have solved the
> problem with O2/Be. I don't have to switch to O2 and would rather not get
> involved in using two boxes (and at the moment I do not have sufficient
> understanding to do that) but would like confirmation that my Fritz will
> work. I have tried the unofficial be forum and the O2 forum and have now
> contacted AVM by email. If I learn anything useful will post the result.
I have no reason to suspect your Fritz will not work on O2/BE. This is
assuming you are on their basic service which is annex A. I believe their
more expensive services are annex M and therefore not compatible.
My only doubt is whether the sync speed will be as good as with the O2/Be
provided box, without frequent drops. I believe it should still be better
than ADSL max (which I believe you are on). I was previously on max at
1meg. I'm now on 2+ with almost 4 meg. Even the Fritz provided a better
sync than the speed I was getting with Max.
One thing I did find out today in a separate post is that BE seem to ship
with the Bridge template wizard already installed. That means that it is
easier to configure (just use the wizard).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herman" <whitehouse.madhousetakemeout@bigfoot.com>
Newsgroups: uk.telecom.voip
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: Fritz Box on O2/Be
>
> I have no reason to suspect your Fritz will not work on O2/BE. This is
> assuming you are on their basic service which is annex A. I believe their
> more expensive services are annex M and therefore not compatible.
>
> My only doubt is whether the sync speed will be as good as with the O2/Be
> provided box, without frequent drops. I believe it should still be better
> than ADSL max (which I believe you are on). I was previously on max at
> 1meg. I'm now on 2+ with almost 4 meg. Even the Fritz provided a better
> sync than the speed I was getting with Max.
>
> One thing I did find out today in a separate post is that BE seem to ship
> with the Bridge template wizard already installed. That means that it is
> easier to configure (just use the wizard).
Thanks for that. I'll give them a go, although neither O2 nor AVM have
responded to my question put to them directly. I'll report back with my
speeds once I'm connected.
"RJ" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for that. I'll give them a go, although neither O2 nor AVM have
> responded to my question put to them directly. I'll report back with my
> speeds once I'm connected.
>
I now have my reply from AVM concerning using the Fritz 7140 on O2/Be.
"Thank you for your enquiry. I am not aware of any general problems with
O2/Be, nor could I find a single support case in our data base reporting
problems. In case you encounter problems we will certainly investigate the
problem. If you found reports in newsgroups, possibly those people could let
you know, if assumed problems persist with 39.04.47 or not. Newsgroups may
be helpful, but solely discussing problems amongst users without reporting
the problems to AVM directly will not help anyone."
I use my Fritz Box 7140 (Annex A, Firmware version 39.04.47) as an ADSL
wireless router as well as for two VOIP phone lines as and a printer server.
The ADSL router sent by O2 (TG585) doesn't even have a single VOIP port and
so has not even been taken out of its plastic bag. I received very helpful
advice in advance of activation by O2 and this is summarised here along with
my initial (one day) experience of O2.
Setup
Transferring from previous ISP settings was very simple for my O2 dynamic
IP.
Go to Internet: Account information then
Select: No account information required.
Change: VCI from 38 to 101
Choose: Bridged encapsulation
Tick: obtain IP address automatically
Speed
With Pipex (actually BT Datastream) the Fritz Box showed an attainable
downstream data rate of just over 4Mb/s. (Actual rate was capped at 1 Mb/s)
For O2, attainable is over 5.5 Mb/s with an user rate steady at over 4600
Kb/s. Actual upstream is over 850 Kb/s. (Speedtest.net rates are marginally
slower.) No dropouts or any other problems.
Potential problems
1. Comments in newsgroups and a recent magazine have
suggested that all ADSL routers using the TI AR7 chipset may have sync
problems with Broadcom DSLAMs used in exchanges by ISPs such as O2/Be.
Whilst the Fritz Box is said to use the AR7, it is working fine for me.
2. The Fritz Box does not include Annex M which may permit
uploads to 3 Mb/s. My Fritz box does report Broadcom DSL in the exchange
with max possible uploads and downloads of 24 and 3 Mb/s, but these are not
relevant at my distance from the exchange.
Hope this helps anyone else think of using the Fritz Box.
Fritz Box on O2/Be 
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