"Herman" <whitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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> "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote in message
[snip]
> > Trouble is, many people are brainwashed into spending
> > money to get so called free calls, that spending of
> > money is several times more than they would pay on a
> > call by call basis.
>
> Sipgate 1000, for example.
I don't know anyone who uses that tariff, but if you do make enough calls
for it to be viable, why not..? I don't, so I don't use it. There's no way
I would allow myself to be ":brainwashed" into using any system I hadn't
thoroughly researched first, though.
<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:14:22 GMT, "Herman"
> <whitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > > Trouble is, many people are brainwashed into spending
> > > money to get so called free calls, that spending of
> > > money is several times more than they would pay on a
> > > call by call basis.
> >
> > Sipgate 1000, for example.
> >
> And someone here is continually trying to brain wash
> people into signing up with Sipgate <spit> .
If you mean me Ron, please state exactly where I have done this. I have
never forced anyone into using any system they don't want to, I do and
will continue to recommend Sipgate as a provider for those whose calling
patterns it favours, such as my own, if you don't like it, tough, you are
free to leave this group and go and moan elsewhere, I doubt anyone will
miss you.
> This guy talks about spending money several times more
> than they would pay on a call by call basis hell I have
> no doubt people spend more money on car tax and insurance
> than what it would cost to use public transport but they
> spnd the money for the conveanance of having a car be
> that car travel 20 miles in a week or 200.
To use that analogy, you have to have reliable public transport available.
If you live somewhere where it isn't, then it's of no use to you. It would
take me well over an hour and a half and three buses to get to work from
here, and it would be a long walk home afterwards as they finish running 6
hours before I finish work when I'm on the late shift.
> I would sooner pay Vonage their 7.99 once every month and
> not have to be checking my account to see how much credit
> I have left or whatever.
I have £12 left of £20 I put on Sipgate two years ago. Why should I pay
more..? You seem to think spending more money than you need to is some
kind of virtue, me, I call it stupid, along with those that do it.
"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
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> Brian A wrote:
>
> > 25/10/2006:Symantec charge exactly as much in GB pounds
> > as they do in US$ for the same Norton DOWNLOAD.
> > It's goodbye Norton - hello free AVG until they stop
> > ripping us off. Why should we be ripped off in the UK?
>
> Because people are willing to pay it.
No, because people who need it have no option but to pay it. Why are we
discussing someone's signature anyway..? Except to say that it should have
the -- (space) separator before it but doesn't.
<M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:11:48 GMT, "Herman"
> <whitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Remember, most of the ATAs require some knowledge of SIP and network setup
>>(and patience!).
> Linksys PAP2 don't take much setting up.
>> Vonage is the provider that has come closest to the
>>usability and reliability of a standard fixed line IMHO. It may cost a
>>lot
>>in VoIP terms, but is half the price of fixed line. Little things like
>>remote configuration, 1471/999/118 xxx access make it a more user-friendly
>>and less technically challenging solution that some people will pay more
>>for.
> One must always remember you have to first buy yourself an ATA even to
> subscribe to Sipgate <spit> and they don't come exactly cheap unless
> of course you want to use headphones and microphone and have a
> computer running 24/7.With Vonage you get a 4 port router with two
> phone ports which is yours to keep after 12 months all for 7.99 a
> month.
>>Of course for those that want to tinker and save a few more bob
> Pence more like when everything is taken into consideration ,having
> looked around all the various options over the passed month my
> freetalk/ Vonage account came to and end at the end of last month I
> decided to stick with Vonage safe in the knowledge that I had a proven
> reliable service with people on the end of the phone line 24/7 if
> anything should go wrong that I could call for free .
>
They aren't perfect though - I have a ticket outstanding from a year ago.
They have never managed to get caller id fixed on forwarded calls - still
puts in an extra 0.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> <M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:c21lk2dr1drmqveiq1iohuvmtlmdsc138b@4ax.com
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:14:22 GMT, "Herman"
>> <whitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > > Trouble is, many people are brainwashed into spending
>> > > money to get so called free calls, that spending of
>> > > money is several times more than they would pay on a
>> > > call by call basis.
>> >
>> > Sipgate 1000, for example.
>> >
>> And someone here is continually trying to brain wash
>> people into signing up with Sipgate <spit> .
>
> If you mean me Ron, please state exactly where I have done this. I have
> never forced anyone into using any system they don't want to, I do and
> will continue to recommend Sipgate as a provider for those whose calling
> patterns it favours, such as my own, if you don't like it, tough, you are
> free to leave this group and go and moan elsewhere, I doubt anyone will
> miss you.
>
>> This guy talks about spending money several times more
>> than they would pay on a call by call basis hell I have
>> no doubt people spend more money on car tax and insurance
>> than what it would cost to use public transport but they
>> spnd the money for the conveanance of having a car be
>> that car travel 20 miles in a week or 200.
>
> To use that analogy, you have to have reliable public transport available.
> If you live somewhere where it isn't, then it's of no use to you. It would
> take me well over an hour and a half and three buses to get to work from
> here, and it would be a long walk home afterwards as they finish running 6
> hours before I finish work when I'm on the late shift.
>
>> I would sooner pay Vonage their 7.99 once every month and
>> not have to be checking my account to see how much credit
>> I have left or whatever.
>
> I have £12 left of £20 I put on Sipgate two years ago. Why should I pay
> more..? You seem to think spending more money than you need to is some
> kind of virtue, me, I call it stupid, along with those that do it.
>
> Ivor
Oops, sorry guys. Didn't mean to start anything off...
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:57:52 GMT, "Herman"
<whitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>> <M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:c21lk2dr1drmqveiq1iohuvmtlmdsc138b@4ax.com
>>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:14:22 GMT, "Herman"
>>> <whitehousemadhouse-2005@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Trouble is, many people are brainwashed into spending
>>> > > money to get so called free calls, that spending of
>>> > > money is several times more than they would pay on a
>>> > > call by call basis.
>>> >
>>> > Sipgate 1000, for example.
>>> >
>>> And someone here is continually trying to brain wash
>>> people into signing up with Sipgate <spit> .
>>
>> If you mean me Ron, please state exactly where I have done this. I have
>> never forced anyone into using any system they don't want to, I do and
>> will continue to recommend Sipgate as a provider for those whose calling
>> patterns it favours, such as my own, if you don't like it, tough, you are
>> free to leave this group and go and moan elsewhere, I doubt anyone will
>> miss you.
>>
>>> This guy talks about spending money several times more
>>> than they would pay on a call by call basis hell I have
>>> no doubt people spend more money on car tax and insurance
>>> than what it would cost to use public transport but they
>>> spnd the money for the conveanance of having a car be
>>> that car travel 20 miles in a week or 200.
>>
>> To use that analogy, you have to have reliable public transport available.
>> If you live somewhere where it isn't, then it's of no use to you. It would
>> take me well over an hour and a half and three buses to get to work from
>> here, and it would be a long walk home afterwards as they finish running 6
>> hours before I finish work when I'm on the late shift.
>>
>>> I would sooner pay Vonage their 7.99 once every month and
>>> not have to be checking my account to see how much credit
>>> I have left or whatever.
>>
>> I have £12 left of £20 I put on Sipgate two years ago. Why should I pay
>> more..? You seem to think spending more money than you need to is some
>> kind of virtue, me, I call it stupid, along with those that do it.
>>
>> Ivor
>
>Oops, sorry guys. Didn't mean to start anything off...
Don't worry Ivor amd Dex are regular sparring partners when it comes
to Sipgate and Vonage. Say something about Sipgate and you've lit the
blue touchpaper. :-)
Remove 'no_spam_' from email address.
25/10/2006:Symantec charge exactly as much in GB pounds as they do
in US$ for the same Norton DOWNLOAD.
It's goodbye Norton - hello free AVG until they stop ripping us off.
Why should we be ripped off in the UK?
<snip>
>>Oops, sorry guys. Didn't mean to start anything off...
> Don't worry Ivor amd Dex are regular sparring partners when it comes
> to <censor>provider a </censor> and <censor>provider b </censor>. Say
> something about <censor>provider a </censor> and you've lit the
> blue touchpaper. :-)
Yes I already have experience of their tiffs. Should've known really...
I solemnly promise not to mention the S word or the V word ever again...
>
>
> "alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
> news:1585034.ygz8FTn9eI@ale.cx
>> Brian A wrote:
>>
>> > 25/10/2006:Symantec charge exactly as much in GB pounds
>> > as they do in US$ for the same Norton DOWNLOAD.
>> > It's goodbye Norton - hello free AVG until they stop
>> > ripping us off. Why should we be ripped off in the UK?
>>
>> Because people are willing to pay it.
>
> No, because people who need it have no option but to pay it.
I haven't paid it. I'm still living and breathing. What's your point?
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"Ian Smith" <uce.bin.104@which.net> wrote in message
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> M.Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
>
> > >
> > And someone here is continually trying to brain wash
> > people into signing up with Sipgate <spit> .
>
> Strange idea.
>
> I reviewed the market and sipgate suited me perfectly.
>
> I've found it 100% reliable so far.
>
> I'd recommend them to anyone.
>
> regards, Ian
Same here. I've been with Sipgate since they first started in the UK over
2 years ago. Yes they've had problems but that's to be expected with new
technology in an emerging market. I'm an experimenter so I don't care too
much if things play up, part of the interest is getting it working..!
Take no notice of Dexter, Ian. He had a bad experience over 18 months ago
and won't let go. Most people here ignore him. I confess I do bait him
from time to time, but that's my warped sense of humour ;-)
"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
> > news:1585034.ygz8FTn9eI@ale.cx
> > > Brian A wrote:
> > >
> > > > 25/10/2006:Symantec charge exactly as much in GB
> > > > pounds as they do in US$ for the same Norton
> > > > DOWNLOAD.
> > > > It's goodbye Norton - hello free AVG until they stop
> > > > ripping us off. Why should we be ripped off in the
> > > > UK?
> > >
> > > Because people are willing to pay it.
> >
> > No, because people who need it have no option but to
> > pay it.
>
> I haven't paid it. I'm still living and breathing. What's
> your point?
You have it but haven't paid for it..? Or you don't need it so don't have
it..? The point is if you *do* need it you have to pay the asking price.
>> > No, because people who need it have no option but to
>> > pay it.
>> I haven't paid it. I'm still living and breathing. What's
>> your point?
> You have it but haven't paid for it..? Or you don't need it so don't have
> it..? The point is if you *do* need it you have to pay the asking price.
I don't need it so I don't have it. If I did need it and I wasn't happy with
the price it was available at, I wouldn't buy it - I'd either buy a similar
product from one of their competitors [Norton aren't in a monopoly position
AFAIK] or I'd do without. To go back to the original point:
>> > > > 25/10/2006:Symantec charge exactly as much in GB
>> > > > pounds as they do in US$ for the same Norton
>> > > > DOWNLOAD.
>> > > > It's goodbye Norton - hello free AVG until they stop
>> > > > ripping us off. Why should we be ripped off in the
>> > > > UK?
If it costs Symantec more to do business in the UK than the US, why should
their US customers subsidise their customers in the UK?
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"alexd" <look@my.sig> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
[snip]
> > You have it but haven't paid for it..? Or you don't
> > need it so don't have it..? The point is if you *do*
> > need it you have to pay the asking price.
>
> I don't need it so I don't have it. If I did need it and
> I wasn't happy with the price it was available at, I
> wouldn't buy it - I'd either buy a similar product from
> one of their competitors [Norton aren't in a monopoly
> position AFAIK] or I'd do without.
But if nothing else served your needs, you'd have to buy it. Going
without (on a broadband connection, at least) isn't an option IMHO.
> If it costs Symantec more to do business in the UK than
> the US, why should their US customers subsidise their
> customers in the UK?
I agree entirely, but again if you need it you have to pay what they want.
Market forces etc.
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