If I dial the PSTN number assigned to a VOIP phone from another VOIP
phone does it know it is IP to IP or would it treat it as a land line
call? Or do you need to set up the call differently?
Dave Saville wrote:
> If I dial the PSTN number assigned to a VOIP phone from another VOIP
> phone does it know it is IP to IP or would it treat it as a land line
> call? Or do you need to set up the call differently?
In most cases, the call will get treated like a landline call. Into
your SIP service provider and back out again.
To me, it doesn't really matter how the call gets there. Whether you
get charged for the call, is a different matter.
Within the same SIP service provider, it is dependant on their policy.
For example, if you dial 01484 840048 from Gradwell you won't get
charged. Gradwell don't charge for internal calls.
There is a system called enum, which isn't officially active in the UK.
This allows you to lookup the SIP address of a phone number, therefore
always routing the call over SIP. Until various people pull their
fingers out for the official service, then you can use enum by
registering on e164.org
"Tim" <nutnews@kooky.org> wrote in message
news:46dbcb77$0$646$bed64819@news.gradwell.net
: : Dave Saville wrote:
: : : If I dial the PSTN number assigned to a VOIP phone
: : : from another VOIP phone does it know it is IP to IP
: : : or would it treat it as a land line call? Or do you
: : : need to set up the call differently?
: :
: : In most cases, the call will get treated like a
: : landline call. Into your SIP service provider and back
: : out again.
: :
: : To me, it doesn't really matter how the call gets
: : there. Whether you get charged for the call, is a
: : different matter.
: :
: : Within the same SIP service provider, it is dependant
: : on their policy. For example, if you dial 01484 840048
: : from Gradwell you won't get charged. Gradwell don't
: : charge for internal calls.
You usually have to dial a prefix code. For example from Sipgate to
Gradwell you dial 000393 then the Gradwell SIP number. The other way
around is a little more complex, you dial **777 then the full PSTN number
in international form but dropping the 00 i.e. **777442070431320 (that's
the number of my speaking clock, feel free to try it..!)
: : There is a system called enum, which isn't officially
: : active in the UK. This allows you to lookup the SIP
: : address of a phone number, therefore always routing the
: : call over SIP. Until various people pull their
: : fingers out for the official service, then you can use
: : enum by registering on e164.org
That's another alternative but I've never managed to get it to work
properly, maybe it's me.
Don't forget also that some VoIP providers block access to SIP calls from
other providers.
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tim <nutnews@kooky.org> wrote:
> Dave Saville wrote:
>> If I dial the PSTN number assigned to a VOIP phone from another VOIP
>> phone does it know it is IP to IP or would it treat it as a land line
>> call? Or do you need to set up the call differently?
>
> In most cases, the call will get treated like a landline call. Into
> your SIP service provider and back out again.
>
> To me, it doesn't really matter how the call gets there. Whether you
> get charged for the call, is a different matter.
>
> Within the same SIP service provider, it is dependant on their policy.
> For example, if you dial 01484 840048 from Gradwell you won't get
> charged. Gradwell don't charge for internal calls.
>
>
> There is a system called enum, which isn't officially active in the
> UK. This allows you to lookup the SIP address of a phone number,
> therefore always routing the call over SIP. Until various people
> pull their fingers out for the official service, then you can use
> enum by registering on e164.org
>
>
>
>
> Tim
What does a SIP address look like? I've got a couple of SIP 6-digit 'user
names' allocated by voip.co.uk - but I assume that they are specific to that
supplier, and not unique in the world?
They seem to be linked to my SIP phone numbers with a string: {SIP#}@{My WAN
IP address}:{Port#}
Is some/all of that my external SIP address?
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Roger Mills wrote:
> What does a SIP address look like? I've got a couple of SIP 6-digit 'user
> names' allocated by voip.co.uk - but I assume that they are specific to that
> supplier, and not unique in the world?
Tim wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>> You might as well wait until turkeys vote for christmas :-(
>
> I know that Nominet have tendered to run the enum service.]
>
I thought they were losing the fight. Wasn't there a closed beta test
where nominet got a number range and so did 2 other companies (finished
in 2004 iirc). I think the whole thing is silly, it's as if there's an
obsession with the need to have as many people trying to make money from
it as possible.
Interesting ... I've just tried a lookup with dig, if +44 116 is a
non-existand domain, does that just mean nobody in Leicester has
registered a number with E164.org?
Is registration normally done by the number block owner (i.e VOIP
gateway owner) or by the individual number owner, in which case how do
you establish "ownership" of the relevant zone underneath
6.1.1.4.4.e164.org?
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tim <nutnews@kooky.org> wrote:
> Roger Mills wrote:
>> What does a SIP address look like? I've got a couple of SIP 6-digit
>> 'user names' allocated by voip.co.uk - but I assume that they are
>> specific to that supplier, and not unique in the world?
>
> like
>
> tim@provu.com
>
>
> Tim
So what distinguishes that from an email address?
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> Is registration normally done by the number block owner (i.e VOIP
> gateway owner) or by the individual number owner
OK, to answer my own question, I see you can register individual phone
numbers, the registration process gives you a PIN on screen, then places
a phone call to the PSTN number you provide, you answer and then respond
with the PIN via DTMF, I'll have to play ...
Andy Burns wrote:
> On 03/09/2007 13:10, Tim wrote:
>
>> In the mean time, e164.org works fine.
>
> Interesting ... I've just tried a lookup with dig, if +44 116 is a
> non-existand domain, does that just mean nobody in Leicester has
> registered a number with E164.org?
You need to lookup a full number.
tim@fred:/tmp$ dig -t NAPTR 8.4.0.0.4.8.4.8.4.1.4.4.e164.org
> Is registration normally done by the number block owner (i.e VOIP
> gateway owner) or by the individual number owner, in which case how do
> you establish "ownership" of the relevant zone underneath
> 6.1.1.4.4.e164.org?
Well that wasn't too hard, the process was the opposite way round to
what I though, you give it your phone number and a SIP address, it makes
a test SIP call to verify it exists, then it makes a phone call to the
PSTN number and dictates a PIN to you and you enter the PIN into the
website to verify (not the other way via DTMF as I though)
I'm surprised it doesn't have some form of PIN verfication on the SIP
part as well as the PSTN part.
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5k25j6F1p1u2U1@mid.individual.net...
> : : There is a system called enum, which isn't officially
> : : active in the UK. This allows you to lookup the SIP
> : : address of a phone number, therefore always routing the
> : : call over SIP. Until various people pull their
> : : fingers out for the official service, then you can use
> : : enum by registering on e164.org
>
> That's another alternative but I've never managed to get it to work
> properly, maybe it's me.
Ivor
What do you mean with you never managed to get it work properly ??
* Are you not managing to get your phone numbers registered to e164.org ?
* Or are you not managing to call a ENUM registered phone number with your
VOIP equipment ?
* Or are you not manging to receive calls via your registeerd sip adress
The first one is very simple: see Andy Burns reply further in this tread how
to register
The second one is also simple: I assume you still use your FritzBox
If "ENUM" is enabled in your FritzBox, then the Box will first check at
e164.org wether the phone number you dialed has been registered.
In this case, the call goes directly to your SIP adress.
To receive "ENUM" calls with your FritzBox, you may want to reserve 1 of
your 10 Sip entries just for this purpose.
Give this entry any number (1234)
you then can receive calls at sip:1234@ivorjones.dyndns.org (example)
Of course, you will need to have your IP adress registered to a dyndns or
similar. The FritzBox can manage the updates to the service
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tim <nutnews@kooky.org> wrote:
>
> There is a system called enum, which isn't officially active in the
> UK. This allows you to lookup the SIP address of a phone number,
> therefore always routing the call over SIP. Until various people
> pull their fingers out for the official service, then you can use
> enum by registering on e164.org
>
OK, I've registered at e164.org and I've added one of my voip numbers
(supplied by voip.co.uk) and have had the call-back and entered the supplied
PIN.
What next? What does that enable me to do - or enable anyone else to do with
my number, for that matter? [Their White Pages looks a bit sparse - only
finding 1 Smith, 3 Browns and no Joneses in the whole of the UK! - am I
missing something?]
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> What next? What does that enable me to do - or enable anyone else to do with
> my number, for that matter? [Their White Pages looks a bit sparse - only
> finding 1 Smith, 3 Browns and no Joneses in the whole of the UK! - am I
> missing something?]
It means if anybody with e164.org on their phone system dials your phone
number, then the call will be placed over SIP and avoid the PSTN.
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Tim <nutnews@kooky.org> wrote:
> Roger Mills wrote:
>
>> What next? What does that enable me to do - or enable anyone else to
>> do with my number, for that matter? [Their White Pages looks a bit
>> sparse - only finding 1 Smith, 3 Browns and no Joneses in the whole
>> of the UK! - am I missing something?]
>
> It means if anybody with e164.org on their phone system dials your
> phone number, then the call will be placed over SIP and avoid the
> PSTN.
>
>
>
> Tim
Thanks. Could you explain a bit further please? Just what does having
"e164.org on their phone system" mean? My 'system' consists of a Linksys
PAP2T connected to my ADSL router, with both its phone ports registered to
voip.co.uk Can I put e164.org on *my* system and, if so, how?
Also, I'm under the impression that voip.co.uk don't knowingly permit voip
to voip calls to and from other companies' customers, and that voip to voip
calls between their own customers can only officially be made by dialling
the geographic number. Does the use of e164.org circumvent that in some way?
Sorry if these questions are naive, but I'm still trying to get my head
around just what e164.org is and does.
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Roger
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