"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3mkoreF1756g0U1@individual.net>,
> ivor@despammed.invalid says...
> >
> >
> > There are many occasions when a written record is
> > desirable. A dispute, for example. "Oh you phoned us
> > complaining about X, did you..?" "Yes, what are you
> > going to do about refunding my money..?" "Nothing,
> > goodbye" Click..
> >
> That is true, mind you all of my phone calls are recorded.
And AFAIK a recording isn't admissible as evidence in court. Certainly it
never used to be, maybe that has changed.
In article <MrjNe.11840$wh6.1516@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>, dollars@pounds.uk says...
> >>
> >> >Yes there are problems now and then but that's
> >> >what developing new technology is all about.
> >> Only with ONE particular provider most VOIP providers have got passed
> >> the beta stage and are now providing excellent service to all their
> >> customers with ALL their services working has they should work
> >> and do not expect their customers to attend collage and study the
> >> German language .
> >>
> >
> > It is a pity thye customer service is not better, typical Amercans, I
> > suppose.
> >
>
> he is talking about sipgate thicko not vonage like you seem to be implying
> with your comments about americans
>
>
He also said the others provide excellent service, hinting at the one he
is also praising, which seems to have a crap customer service.
In article <3mn0c5F17sj42U1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid > >
>
> > That is true, mind you all of my phone calls are recorded.
>
> And AFAIK a recording isn't admissible as evidence in court. Certainly it
> never used to be, maybe that has changed.
>
I think it is as long as you got the beep, because it is difficult to
edit if you got the beep, mind you these days it is easy enough to put
the beep in your self. I do not record them for court use anyway. I got
a refund from a company, because I could prove that they said I would
get one, when they sold me the product if I was not happy with it.
TBH, I do not record all my calls, but if I phone companies, I normally
put the recorder on. I got an old answering machine, that uses full size
cassettes, that is what I use to record. It works better as an ansering
machine than some of the digital crap that is around.
My Dect phone may be a great phone, but the ansering machine on it is a
load of trash. The longest message is 3 mins and it only have the memory
for 15 mins of messages and if I decide to put my own outgoing message
that takes up some space as well. Then their is this quality problem. My
old Pansonic tape based answering machine is much better.
Talking of which, Would a VOIP system activate an answering machine?
In article <feoNe.10464$CM.9749@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, dollars@pounds.uk
says...
> thick c*** i know perfectly well who it is, i was making a point, and why
On about yourself again?
> not travel to see your friends all over the world, so far this year i have
> been to bubai twice, atlanta 3 times, spain inparticular marbella more than
> 10 times so i dont particulary have a problem flying around the world, oh
> and its always club class , you wouldnt belive how many points i have
> accumulated on ba worldpoints :-)
>
>
That is up to you, myself I prefer to keep my feet on the ground. I am
going to Italy next year, but it will be on a ferry. The other problem
is money, it costs money to go to these places and also time.
What the hell is world points anyway? another loyalty card thing, to con
you into giving compnies your information, so they can give that
information to other companies?
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Talking of which, Would a VOIP system activate an
> answering machine?
An analogue port from an ATA behaves in exactly the same way as a physical
landline. Put an answering machine on it and it will work fine. That's
what I did before Sipgate's voicemail system started.
> The thicko is the person who would sooner spend time typing emails
> than pick up a phone and dial an 0800 number, good job he or she does
> not use Pipex for internet connection or they would have to wait at
> least a week for a reply to an email from pipex or 18866 for that
> matter .
>
>
Using the phone is not always the best idea, most componies these days
use Indian call centers, tying to understand some of them is almost
impossible. Also you got to plough though loads of menu options, which
are time wasting and achieve nothing. It was a lort better in the days,
when you just phoned and talked to a British person straight away.
so sending an email is a lot better, unless you want the answer right
away.
In article <3mn88nF17datjU1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
>
> An analogue port from an ATA behaves in exactly the same way as a physical
> landline. Put an answering machine on it and it will work fine. That's
> what I did before Sipgate's voicemail system started.
>
Some people will prefer to use their own answering machine than rely on
another system. I use 1570, well my phone supplier equivalent of it, but
only for when I am on the phone talking to someone, so they can leave a
message instead of getting a engaged tone.
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d70e1b656a7e2fb989696@news.metronet.co.u k
> In article <3mn88nF17datjU1@individual.net>,
> ivor@despammed.invalid says...
> >
> > An analogue port from an ATA behaves in exactly the
> > same way as a physical landline. Put an answering
> > machine on it and it will work fine. That's what I did
> > before Sipgate's voicemail system started.
>
> Some people will prefer to use their own answering
> machine than rely on another system. I use 1570, well my
> phone supplier equivalent of it, but only for when I am
> on the phone talking to someone, so they can leave a
> message instead of getting a engaged tone.
I assume you mean 1571. That's something I hate, it means I pay instead of
getting an engaged tone when someone is on the phone. I'd rather hear the
engaged tone (without paying..!)and try again later. If I get the 1571
system I don't call that person again.
In article <3mo466F17ns3bU1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
>
> I assume you mean 1571. That's something I hate, it means I pay instead of
> getting an engaged tone when someone is on the phone. I'd rather hear the
> engaged tone (without paying..!)and try again later. If I get the 1571
> system I don't call that person again.
>
yep 1571, sorry, that is what I meant. If someone phones me, and leave a
message on 1571, then I can ring them back, after I finished talking to
the last person. A mate of mine says the same thing about answering
machines, that they cost him money. But as I said to him, if he left a
message, I would phone him back, when I got in.
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d71050ebd5189c3989697@news.metronet.co.u k
> In article <3mo466F17ns3bU1@individual.net>,
> ivor@despammed.invalid says...
> >
> > I assume you mean 1571. That's something I hate, it
> > means I pay instead of getting an engaged tone when
> > someone is on the phone. I'd rather hear the engaged
> > tone (without paying..!)and try again later. If I get
> > the 1571 system I don't call that person again.
> >
> yep 1571, sorry, that is what I meant. If someone phones
> me, and leave a message on 1571, then I can ring them
> back, after I finished talking to the last person. A mate
> of mine says the same thing about answering machines,
> that they cost him money. But as I said to him, if he
> left a message, I would phone him back, when I got in.
But a lot of people don't, and I end up spending money to leave messages.
I'd rather try again later. I know of people that don't check their
messages for days, and with 1571 you can't tell there's a message waiting
until you pick up the phone and get the stuttered dial tone. At least with
most answering machines you get a flashing light or something and it
*doesn't* cut in if the line is busy.
Personal opinion of course, but I don't ring a number with 1571 on it
twice.
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <feoNe.10464$CM.9749@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, dollars@pounds.uk
> says...
>> thick c*** i know perfectly well who it is, i was making a point, and why
>
> On about yourself again?
>
>
>> not travel to see your friends all over the world, so far this year i
>> have
>> been to bubai twice, atlanta 3 times, spain inparticular marbella more
>> than
>> 10 times so i dont particulary have a problem flying around the world, oh
>> and its always club class , you wouldnt belive how many points i have
>> accumulated on ba worldpoints :-)
>>
>>
> That is up to you, myself I prefer to keep my feet on the ground. I am
> going to Italy next year, but it will be on a ferry. The other problem
> is money, it costs money to go to these places and also time.
> What the hell is world points anyway? another loyalty card thing, to con
> you into giving compnies your information, so they can give that
> information to other companies?
>
i havent got a problem with ba or any other frequent flyer programmes i use
having information about me or flights, in fact i was recenly offered a free
upgrade becuase of teh amount of travelling i do on ba, as for money well i
earn it, some months can be thousands others just a few hundred but all my
hartd work enables me to enjoy myself very well.
In article <lbENe.12141$wh6.8483@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>, pc999@copspam.uk
says...
>
> i havent got a problem with ba or any other frequent flyer programmes i use
> having information about me or flights, in fact i was recenly offered a free
Good for you.
> upgrade becuase of teh amount of travelling i do on ba, as for money well i
As I said, I prefer to keep my feet where belong, on the ground.
> earn it, some months can be thousands others just a few hundred but all my
> hartd work enables me to enjoy myself very well.
>
Good for you, I also work hard and also enjoy myself, but I do not have
to fly to do that.
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3mog9dF180i79U1@individual.net>,
> ivor@despammed.invalid says...
> >
> > But a lot of people don't, and I end up spending money
> > to leave messages.
>
> I thought your calls was free on VOIP, as long as you pay
> almost £10 a month, or is that just Vonage?
£10 a month isn't free, is it..?! No that's just Vonage, I believe. On the
normal Sipgate system you pay per call, but there's no monthly fee.
> > I'd rather try again later. I know of people that don't
> > check their messages for days, and with 1571 you can't
> > tell there's a message waiting until you pick up the
> > phone and get the stuttered dial tone. At least with
>
> I always check mine, after I finished a conversation. A
> few phones and it is only a few, will flash a light if
> there is a message waiting, I do not know how it knows.
Hmm, not seen any of those, but you're the exception that proves the
rule..! Most people I know who use 1571 have never returned my calls when
I've left a message on it, which is why I now detest the system.
> > most answering machines you get a flashing light or
> > something and it
>
> I got three answering machines here, the one I am using,
> will flash a light and flash up how many messages is on
> the tape. The one built into the Dect phone will just
> flash a light on the base, which is silly since the base
> could be anywhere. I also got a single micro cassette
> one, which will bleep until you check the message.
So why use 1571..?
> > *doesn't* cut in if the line is busy.
>
> At least I do not miss a call, even when I am talking on
> the phone, unless the person do not leave a message. But
> I can also understand what you mean as well.
You wouldn't miss a call from me, I'd call again later.
> > Personal opinion of course, but I don't ring a number
> > with 1571 on it twice.
> >
> Then there must be a lot of people you do not call, I
> hope you are not in business and have to call clients. I
> know very few people who do not have 1571 on their phone.
I honestly don't know many people who use it. Those I do don't get called
twice, as I said, and I make sure to tell them when I do speak to them of
my reasons for not calling them. Actually most people I call regularly I
either call on their mobile or on Sipgate so 1571 doesn't apply.
> My parents have got it because it is a cheap and easy way
> to get messages. It is easy to use and they do not have
> to bother with answering machines. It is one of the
> better things BT have done and with the free one it is
> even better.
As long as you check for messages *regularly* then it's fine. If you
don't, as those I've been unlucky enough to encounter, then it's a damned
nuisance. I also really hate the thing cutting in when a line is engaged.
It may be convenient for the 1571 user, but it's annoying and expensive
for the caller. It's similar to those systems that answer a call and then
say press 1 for this, press 2 for that etc., charging you while it's doing
it. If I call someone and they're on the phone, I prefer to hear an
engaged tone so I can try again later. I don't see why I should pay not to
talk to the person I'm calling..! Ok so you are considerate and regularly
check for messages and always call back the person immediately. Most
people are not so thoughtful.
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d71a78913a12f7e98969a@news.metronet.co.u k...
> In article <lbENe.12141$wh6.8483@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>, pc999@copspam.uk
> says...
>>
>> i havent got a problem with ba or any other frequent flyer programmes i
>> use
>> having information about me or flights, in fact i was recenly offered a
>> free
>
> Good for you.
>
>> upgrade becuase of teh amount of travelling i do on ba, as for money well
>> i
>
>
> As I said, I prefer to keep my feet where belong, on the ground.
>
>> earn it, some months can be thousands others just a few hundred but all
>> my
>> hartd work enables me to enjoy myself very well.
>>
>
> Good for you, I also work hard and also enjoy myself, but I do not have
> to fly to do that.
no adc youre missing the point,i enjoy myself on land far too much as well,
i just happen to fly a lot, you wouldnt belive how attentive the staff are
in some of the executive lounge, not to mention cute lol
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d71a6f8daf3a029989699@news.metronet.co.u k
>> In article <3mog9dF180i79U1@individual.net>,
>> ivor@despammed.invalid says...
>> >
>> > But a lot of people don't, and I end up spending money
>> > to leave messages.
>>
>> I thought your calls was free on VOIP, as long as you pay
>> almost £10 a month, or is that just Vonage?
>
> £10 a month isn't free, is it..?! No that's just Vonage, I believe. On the
> normal Sipgate system you pay per call, but there's no monthly fee.
>
>> > I'd rather try again later. I know of people that don't
>> > check their messages for days, and with 1571 you can't
>> > tell there's a message waiting until you pick up the
>> > phone and get the stuttered dial tone. At least with
>>
>> I always check mine, after I finished a conversation. A
>> few phones and it is only a few, will flash a light if
>> there is a message waiting, I do not know how it knows.
>
> Hmm, not seen any of those, but you're the exception that proves the
> rule..! Most people I know who use 1571 have never returned my calls when
> I've left a message on it, which is why I now detest the system.
>
>> > most answering machines you get a flashing light or
>> > something and it
>>
>> I got three answering machines here, the one I am using,
>> will flash a light and flash up how many messages is on
>> the tape. The one built into the Dect phone will just
>> flash a light on the base, which is silly since the base
>> could be anywhere. I also got a single micro cassette
>> one, which will bleep until you check the message.
>
> So why use 1571..?
>
>> > *doesn't* cut in if the line is busy.
>>
>> At least I do not miss a call, even when I am talking on
>> the phone, unless the person do not leave a message. But
>> I can also understand what you mean as well.
>
> You wouldn't miss a call from me, I'd call again later.
>
>> > Personal opinion of course, but I don't ring a number
>> > with 1571 on it twice.
>> >
>> Then there must be a lot of people you do not call, I
>> hope you are not in business and have to call clients. I
>> know very few people who do not have 1571 on their phone.
>
> I honestly don't know many people who use it. Those I do don't get called
> twice, as I said, and I make sure to tell them when I do speak to them of
> my reasons for not calling them. Actually most people I call regularly I
> either call on their mobile or on Sipgate so 1571 doesn't apply.
>
>> My parents have got it because it is a cheap and easy way
>> to get messages. It is easy to use and they do not have
>> to bother with answering machines. It is one of the
>> better things BT have done and with the free one it is
>> even better.
>
> As long as you check for messages *regularly* then it's fine. If you
> don't, as those I've been unlucky enough to encounter, then it's a damned
> nuisance. I also really hate the thing cutting in when a line is engaged.
> It may be convenient for the 1571 user, but it's annoying and expensive
> for the caller. It's similar to those systems that answer a call and then
> say press 1 for this, press 2 for that etc., charging you while it's doing
> it. If I call someone and they're on the phone, I prefer to hear an
> engaged tone so I can try again later. I don't see why I should pay not to
> talk to the person I'm calling..! Ok so you are considerate and regularly
> check for messages and always call back the person immediately. Most
> people are not so thoughtful.
>
> All the best,
>
> Ivor
>
>
ivor with vongae you pay 9.99 per month for a flawless and reliable service,
also as im on the business package at 18.99 and none of my vonage bills have
ever been over this amount whereas previosuly the largest monthly bill
received for business related calls was 699.87 dont you think their is
some savings to be made with vonage lovey.
In article <3mpko1F17c0cbU1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
> >
> > I thought your calls was free on VOIP, as long as you pay
> > almost £10 a month, or is that just Vonage?
>
> £10 a month isn't free, is it..?! No that's just Vonage, I believe. On the
> normal Sipgate system you pay per call, but there's no monthly fee.
No it is not free, but what I meant was that you are not wasting money,
since it is unlimited calls. Sipgate is the better way to go then, if
you do not want a monthly fee, as long as you are not going to spend
more than £10 a month on calls.
I am lucky if I spend more than £5 a month on calls, the rest of my bill
is line rental. It is about time the line rental was dropped or
incorporated into call charges. Most gas and electric suppliers do not
have a standing charge, they just put a little bit extra on each unit
you use.
> > I always check mine, after I finished a conversation. A
> > few phones and it is only a few, will flash a light if
> > there is a message waiting, I do not know how it knows.
>
> Hmm, not seen any of those, but you're the exception that proves the
I only seen two phones with them on and they was in a news paper advert
or something like that.
> rule..! Most people I know who use 1571 have never returned my calls when
> I've left a message on it, which is why I now detest the system.
I always return calls, It is a polite thing to do.
>
> So why use 1571..?
Because the answering machines do not work, if I am on the phone. I do
not very often get calls, when I am on the phone but it do happen.
Voice mail on VOIP, do that take messages if your phone is engaged?
>
> You wouldn't miss a call from me, I'd call again later.
But some people may not phone up later.
I must admit, if I had to pay for the messaging service, then I would
not bother with it now. When I had a lodger I paid for 1571, because she
found it easier than bothering with an answering machine and since at
that time, we was on dial up internet, it was an easy way for people to
leave messages and save them phoning the mobile.
> I honestly don't know many people who use it. Those I do don't get called
> twice, as I said, and I make sure to tell them when I do speak to them of
> my reasons for not calling them. Actually most people I call regularly I
> either call on their mobile or on Sipgate so 1571 doesn't apply.
People are not going to get rid of it, because you will not call them,
they would just say please yourself. I hate calling people who got call
waiting, but I know two people who uses it, I do not stop calling them.
> As long as you check for messages *regularly* then it's fine. If you
> don't, as those I've been unlucky enough to encounter, then it's a damned
> nuisance. I also really hate the thing cutting in when a line is engaged.
> It may be convenient for the 1571 user, but it's annoying and expensive
> for the caller. It's similar to those systems that answer a call and then
It depends how many people you call. I have not noticed my bill go up
much if at all, because of them.
> say press 1 for this, press 2 for that etc., charging you while it's doing
I hate them.
> it. If I call someone and they're on the phone, I prefer to hear an
> engaged tone so I can try again later. I don't see why I should pay not to
> talk to the person I'm calling..! Ok so you are considerate and regularly
It is called life and it will get worse as technology take over.
> check for messages and always call back the person immediately. Most
> people are not so thoughtful.
>
When I come home, I always check as well, just in case the answering
machine was resetting itself when a call came in. It sometimes happens,
that I get two calls one after the other, before the machine have sorted
itself out. with twin tapes, it is faster than the one with a single
tape.
Another thing I want to ask, if I had a VOIP phone, would the dial tone
and also the incoming ringtone be the same as ours or will it change?
Vonage being American, I would not be surprised if they just had a
single ring, and Sipgate being German, it uses what ever Germany uses.
In article <a%XNe.11868$Ht5.11581@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>, pc999
@copspam.uk says...
> ivor with vongae you pay 9.99 per month for a flawless and reliable service,
> also as im on the business package at 18.99 and none of my vonage bills have
> ever been over this amount whereas previosuly the largest monthly bill
> received for business related calls was 699.87 dont you think their is
> some savings to be made with vonage lovey.
>
>
In article <kZXNe.11857$Ht5.9491@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>, pc999@copspam.uk
says...
>
> no adc youre missing the point,i enjoy myself on land far too much as well,
> i just happen to fly a lot, you wouldnt belive how attentive the staff are
> in some of the executive lounge, not to mention cute lol
>
>
Good for you, I hope you are happy.
II still prefer to keep my feet on the ground. If we was meant to fly,
we would have wings.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:59:32 +0100, AD C <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Nothing is flawless.
> Really you haven't tried Vonage have you so how can you make comments
> about something you don't have any experience of ,when I find a flaw
> in the Vonage service I will let you know in the meantime keep your
> gob shut about subjects you know bugger all about . Get your wallet
> out spend a little money and get yourself a decent telephone service
> provider ,people who make comments about something they know bugger
> all about make me bloody sick .
ditto until one tries the service they can NOT pass comment, still if the do
gooding ,liberal, freeloaders like ivor and his gang of cronies wnat to use
a "FREE" and i say free in the most liberal sesne of the word and put up
with an appauling service, no connection and 100% crap cs well let
them,pissgate have a long way to go before /if they ever each vonages
stable/superior and reliable service.
AD C wrote:
> I am lucky if I spend more than £5 a month on calls, the rest of my bill
> is line rental. It is about time the line rental was dropped or
> incorporated into call charges. Most gas and electric suppliers do not
> have a standing charge, they just put a little bit extra on each unit
> you use.
Yeah, right. BT should provide a national infrastructure for telephony
and more, including connectivity to every household (or thereabouts) and
maintain the entire network FOC so that people can make calls using
other operators and not pay BT a penny for the above.
Certainly - shortly after they leave the private sector and become a
charity or public sector. In the latter case w can all pay additional
tax to pay for the network whether we use it or not.
Personally, I'd like BT to introduce a "line-rental only" tariff which
did not include call packages or discounts but which was cheaper on a
monthly basis than, say, BT Together Option 1. I don't know if this is
economically feasible, though.
> You like helping BT with their crafty way of increasing revenue do you
I am not using BT, and if more people chose other networks, then maybe
Bt will not make the money.
All my calls in the evening and weekends are free.
> tell you what when I get the BT 1571 picking up a call I have made the
> phone goes down and I never ring that number again.
That is up to you, but you will have to cope with it sooner or later as
this is the way things are going.
> When I make a call I either want to here the engaged tone or the
> persons voice on the other end that I want to speak to not robbing
> BT's computers .Besides which when I make a call I withhold my number
> so anyone dialing 1571 or 1471 will gain nothing .
So you want to know the person number who is ringing you and yet you do
not want to give your number away.
My number is withheld, but I got 1470 in front of my contacts numbers in
the phones memory, so I only withhold to people I don't know.
the only reason I had Caller I.D was because of unwanted phonecalls. I
did not think it would go across to my new provider, as they told me to
ring them up to get it reinstalled.
> It will if people like you keep agreeing to use these money making
It will happen, if you want it to or now, because other people find 1571
or answering services of that type useful. since BT made a free version,
the growth have expanded. Yes, I know BT done it to get more money, but
this what companies do, they are there to make money.
I wonder what Voange, sipgate or any other VOIP provider will do,
iif/when they get more established in the U.K.
> services in any case with Vonage there is no need for a service like
> 1571. I have my first line transferred to my second line if it is not
> answered after 30 seconds and if that line is not answered it
> transfers to my mobile which is switched on and in my pocket so where
> I go so I can be reached from noon until 3 am any day of the week.
That is clever, what happens when you are talking to someone on the
other line and your mobile rings? You can not talk to two people at the
same time. That is one thing that bugged me, before I had 1571 and it
still do now. People phone my land line, they find it was engaged, they
they phone my mobile. I am not going to answer the mobile if I am on the
other phone. Now they do it when 1571 cuts in. I told people time and
time again, if the answering service cuts straight in then I will be on
the phone. I solve the problem now, I just turn the mobile off in the
house. I would never have call transferred to my mobile. I am not paying
for other peoples calls. If they want to phone me, then they do the
paying.
> Don't be bloody stupid it is the phone or ATA not the phone company
> that dictates what you here ,are you trying to wind us all up or what
> with your stupid questions and remarks .
>
Do not call me stupid you twat. since I know very little about VOIP, how
can I know what makes the ring or the dial tone.
The phone only makes the sound, but it can only do what it is told.
So is the ring tone a single tone or a normal double British tone?
The dial tone is done though the exchange, since VOIP do not go directly
to the exchange.
"Pc8765" <pc999@copspam.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
> ivor with vongae you pay 9.99 per month for a flawless
> and reliable service, also as im on the business package
> at 18.99 and none of my vonage bills have ever been over
> this amount whereas previosuly the largest monthly bill
> received for business related calls was 699.87 dont you
> think their is some savings to be made with vonage lovey.
As I'm not in business and £699 would pay for all my chargeable calls for
20 years, no.
And stop calling me lovey. I thought you'd killfiled me anyway.
> Really you haven't tried Vonage have you so how can you make comments
> about something you don't have any experience of ,when I find a flaw
Because nothing is flawless, I do nto care if I have never used it or
not.
To be flawless it would be perfect, and that is not possible.
> in the Vonage service I will let you know in the meantime keep your
> gob shut about subjects you know bugger all about . Get your wallet
Look twat, do not tell what to do, You think you are so great. you are
just a right twat, who thinks because you use a VOIP system, you knows
it all.
As I said nothing is flawless. My internet service is great, much better
than BT, but it is not flawless. I have had no real problems with my
telephone provider, but it is not flawless.
They can still do better.
> out spend a little money and get yourself a decent telephone service
> provider ,people who make comments about something they know bugger
Like Vonage for instance? I got a decent telphone provider, and I do not
have to piss around settings and crap like that. I know that if anything
goes wrong, then I am 99% sure that it is not my side.
When anything goes wrong your your so great VOIP it could be any amount
of problems your side, vonage or BT.
Too many things to go wrong, to much crap and at the end of the day, too
much fucking hassle.
But then you are a sad git and seems to spend your whole day pissing
about with little boys toys.
Grow up and get into the real world, you twat.
> all about make me bloody sick .
You know it all, which you don't, because that have been proved on here
many times.
you sad git.
In article <vOZNe.40$s4.29@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, pc999@copspam.uk
says...
>
> ditto until one tries the service they can NOT pass comment, still if the do
> gooding ,liberal, freeloaders like ivor and his gang of cronies wnat to use
> a "FREE" and i say free in the most liberal sesne of the word and put up
> with an appauling service, no connection and 100% crap cs well let
> them,pissgate have a long way to go before /if they ever each vonages
> stable/superior and reliable service.
>
>
>
Another person who likes sticking their tounge up an American compony's
backside.
> Good job we all don't or didn't think like you or we would have
> members of the SS parading up and down our streets now !!!!!!!!!!!.
>
I thought we already did, it is called a police force, they are almost
as bad.
Anyway, if no one flew and planes was not invented, maybe the world
would be a better place.
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d72a65faaa3b48e98969e@news.metronet.co.u k
> In article <u1qgg1t74edsrkb0705p4be058tpknags3@4ax.com>,
> Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk says...
[snip]
> > Don't be bloody stupid it is the phone or ATA not the
> > phone company that dictates what you here ,are you
> > trying to wind us all up or what with your stupid
> > questions and remarks .
> >
> Do not call me stupid you twat. since I know very little
> about VOIP, how can I know what makes the ring or the
> dial tone.
Don't take any notice of him, he's trying to wind you up.
> The phone only makes the sound, but it can only do what
> it is told.
> So is the ring tone a single tone or a normal double
> British tone?
> The dial tone is done though the exchange, since VOIP do
> not go directly to the exchange.
The tones you hear on VoIP are determined by your ATA, they are locally
generated and nothing to do with Sipgate, Vonage, BT or anyone else.
Except of course if you are calling a PSTN number, when you will hear the
ringing tone returned from BT or wherever, but when you pick up the phone
the dialling tone and ringing tone if you're calling another VoIP number
are coming from your adaptor, not Sipgate or whoever. You can set these to
whatever you like on some adaptors like the Sipura, others don't have the
option and you get what is programmed into them, I have one here that
gives a German dial tone, but I'm used to it now..!
"AD C" <graphi47uk@y.a.h.o.o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d726f3e9730214398969d@news.metronet.co.u k
[snip]
> Good for you, I hope you are happy.
> II still prefer to keep my feet on the ground. If we was
> meant to fly, we would have wings.
Ah, you are missing out on so much. The most amazing moment of my entire
life was when I took the controls of a helicopter for the first time.
There's nothing in the world like it, as my instructor said, it's the most
fun you can have with your clothes on <g>
> Ah, you are missing out on so much. The most amazing moment of my entire
> life was when I took the controls of a helicopter for the first time.
> There's nothing in the world like it, as my instructor said, it's the most
> fun you can have with your clothes on <g>
>
A mate of mine ownes a light plane and keeps trying to get me to go on a
flight with him, his wife and his daughter. But I do not like heights
and the thought of being that far up scares the hell out of me.
He have also got a copter license, he got that 2 years ago, but he is
not getting one, but at least he can hire one if he needs to. He wants
to get me in one of them as well.
To be honest, I like oldplanes, I got pictures of old planes all around
the house, but I would never go in one.
In article <3mrjvhF188sv7U1@individual.net>, ivor@despammed.invalid
says...
> Don't take any notice of him, he's trying to wind you up.
>
He is a prat.
>
> The tones you hear on VoIP are determined by your ATA, they are locally
> generated and nothing to do with Sipgate, Vonage, BT or anyone else.
> Except of course if you are calling a PSTN number, when you will hear the
> ringing tone returned from BT or wherever, but when you pick up the phone
> the dialling tone and ringing tone if you're calling another VoIP number
> are coming from your adaptor, not Sipgate or whoever. You can set these to
> whatever you like on some adaptors like the Sipura, others don't have the
> option and you get what is programmed into them, I have one here that
> gives a German dial tone, but I'm used to it now..!
>
Thank you, that is all I wanted to know. My cousin in the states say
her phone rings like the UK ones, she is on cable, she thought maybe it
was because the company is British owned and they just wanted to show
everyone. So I just thought maybe Vonage would do the same, but now I
know they can't
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