can you tell me which providers offer a 0207 geographic number for free or
at least with no monthly fees (just the set-up)? I don't live in the UK and
I can't get it from Sipgate (I suppose they check the IP address of my
connection).
"Eliodeo" <eliodeo_NOSPAM@msn.com> wrote in message
news:LMV1f.44441$TR5.26322@news.edisontel.com
> Hi,
>
> can you tell me which providers offer a 0207 geographic
> number for free or at least with no monthly fees (just
> the set-up)? I don't live in the UK and I can't get it
> from Sipgate (I suppose they check the IP address of my
> connection).
Yes, you can only get a UK geographic number from a UK IP address. I
believe there are proxy servers you can use to get around this but I'm not
sure how they work. Alternatively if you know anyone in the UK get them to
set up the account for you.
Eliodeo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> can you tell me which providers offer a 0207 geographic number for free or
> at least with no monthly fees (just the set-up)? I don't live in the UK and
> I can't get it from Sipgate (I suppose they check the IP address of my
> connection).
>
> Thx
> E
>
>
0207 number? They dont exist as such... They are 020 7.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:snegk191shi15psrd4b089g4inifnps99k@4ax.com
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:29:40 +0100, Sean
> <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Eliodeo wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > can you tell me which providers offer a 0207
> > > geographic number for free or at least with no
> > > monthly fees (just the set-up)? I don't live in the
> > > UK and I can't get it from Sipgate (I suppose they
> > > check the IP address of my connection).
> > >
> > > Thx
> > > E
> > >
> > >
> > 0207 number? They dont exist as such... They are 020 7.
> Oh Christ let us not start all that nonsense again please
> 0207 will always be 0207 in many peoples eyes no matter
> what one or two of you correctness merchants think .
It's not a question of correctness, it's getting through or not getting
through..! Try dialling just the last 7 digits in London and see what
happens (or rather doesn't happen..!)
For people to dial a number correctly they must know the correct format.
It doesn't matter outside London I agree but it's *very* important inside
it and for the sake of simplicity alone it's better if a common format is
used.
It's why I believe we'd be better off with a common numbering format for
the whole country, but perhaps uk.telecom would be a better place for that
discussion, although it's already been done to death there.
> Same with 999 and 112 I am not adverse to that
> change 112 is easier to dial than 999 anyway but
> it is far easier to remember 0207 254 7772 than
> 020 7254 7772 .
Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Oh Christ let us not start all that nonsense again please 0207 will
> always be 0207 in many peoples eyes no matter what one or two of you
> correctness merchants think . Same with 999 and 112 I am not adverse
> to that change 112 is easier to dial than 999 anyway but it is far
> easier to remember 0207 254 7772 than 020 7254 7772 .
> Just because someone sat in an office somewhere decides to change
> things around it doesn't mean we all have to follow like a flock of
> sheep .
But why pander to stupidity? Do these people dial the full area code
inside London as well? London has EIGHT DIGIT LOCAL NUMBERS! The whole
point of changing from 7 to eight digits was to increase number
capacity, it would be an utterly pointless exercise if all that happened
was 0171->0207 and 0181->0208.
I guess it will be extremely frightening when numbers beginning with
something other than 7 or 8 start being released as will soon happen,
IIRC numbers beginning with 3 are due to be released shortly. I notice
the same utter stupidity in other parts of the country as well with
Cardiff folk thinking 02920 is their area code and Bristol people
thinking their's is 01179!!!
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 23:02:17 +0100, Anon Y Mous <..@..> wrote:
>But why pander to stupidity? Do these people dial the full area code
>inside London as well? London has EIGHT DIGIT LOCAL NUMBERS! The whole
Sadly, most people in London now appear to dial the full number rather
than the 8 digit local version. People i've shown 8 digit dialing seem
amazed and confused as to how it's possible!
This seems to be due to the fact that for 10 years (from 01 > 071/081
in 1990 to the remerging as 020 7/8 in 2000) it was only possible to
call across town using the full number.
>point of changing from 7 to eight digits was to increase number
>capacity, it would be an utterly pointless exercise if all that happened
>was 0171->0207 and 0181->0208.
It was. It would have been much simpler and cheaper for all if they'd
just added additional overlay codes as they do in the US. Effectively,
as far as most people are concerned that's just what's happening
anyway with 020-3.
These number changes seem to occur around every 5 years so I guess
we're due for another one any day. 01 for London anyone?
"Sean" <seanhardy88NOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:di9do4$hmr$1@news.freedom2surf.net...
> Eliodeo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > can you tell me which providers offer a 0207 geographic number for
free or
> > at least with no monthly fees (just the set-up)? I don't live in the
UK and
> > I can't get it from Sipgate (I suppose they check the IP address of
my
> > connection).
> >
> > Thx
> > E
> >
> >
> 0207 number? They dont exist as such... They are 020 7.
>
Yes, the STD code for London is 020, NOT 0207.
Regards Mike.
> It's not a question of correctness, it's getting through or not getting
> through..! Try dialling just the last 7 digits in London and see what
> happens (or rather doesn't happen..!)
>
> For people to dial a number correctly they must know the correct format.
> It doesn't matter outside London I agree but it's *very* important inside
> it and for the sake of simplicity alone it's better if a common format is
> used.
>
> It's why I believe we'd be better off with a common numbering format for
> the whole country, but perhaps uk.telecom would be a better place for that
> discussion, although it's already been done to death there.
>
>> Same with 999 and 112 I am not adverse to that
>> change 112 is easier to dial than 999 anyway but
>> it is far easier to remember 0207 254 7772 than
>> 020 7254 7772 .
>
> But not to dial if you happen to be in London.
>
> Ivor
>
Ironically sipgate sort of disagree with you Ivor, because they only provide
020 7 numbers and not 020 8. Despite them officially having the same area
code there will always be a distinction between them just because of the
history of 081/071.
So, it seems silly to pe picky when somebody puts 0207 as the description of
a category of numbers, which they clearly are, even if only because of
history and not because of any system in place now.
Mark Adamson wrote:
> Ironically sipgate sort of disagree with you Ivor, because they only provide
> 020 7 numbers and not 020 8. Despite them officially having the same area
> code there will always be a distinction between them just because of the
> history of 081/071.
>
> So, it seems silly to pe picky when somebody puts 0207 as the description of
> a category of numbers, which they clearly are, even if only because of
> history and not because of any system in place now.
I think I'll start writing my number[1] as 02072 221234, then, if it's
all the same to you. I mean, why be picky when the nubmer "still
works"[2], right?
Except Tuesdays, when it will be 02 0722 21234.
[1] Not actually my number, used as an example.
[2] For definitions of still work, i.e. national dialling only.
"If you dial the full number 0207 xxx xxxx in London it will still
connect to the number you want. I seem to remember when the 01
for London was changed BT making a big splash saying for London
we all had to dial 0207 and 0208 instead of 01. Now that it would seem
is not good enough . Why should the rest of us have to change just for
the sake of people in London let them dial the FULL number. This is
like a re run of the change from our old currency to the metric
system and now it is quite likely but heaven forbid we are all going
to have to change to the Euro .
It really is time things stud still for a while all this chopping and
changing just can't be doing anyone any good except for the pillocks
sat in offices dreaming up these changes and getting paid more in a
month than I get paid in a year for doing it . "
There is a reason you are paid so little. Most folks here can figure
out what that reason is. Here are some clues:
The United Kingdom changed from Pounds Shillings and Pence (LSD) to the
DECIMAL currency system in IIRC 1971. Later, the UK changed from the
Imperial system of measurements to the metric system. This was a
lengthy and messy conversion. London, along with several other areas,
has eight digit telephone numbers. Its area code is 20. The leading
"0" is for subscriber acces to the STD system giving an STD code of
020. In the interim London changed from 01 to 071 and 081, then to
0171 and 0181 and finaly to 020.
You don't understand this, but that is not our problem.
"Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in
message news:dibe3v$qq3$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk
[snip]
> Ironically sipgate sort of disagree with you Ivor,
> because they only provide 020 7 numbers and not 020 8.
> Despite them officially having the same area code there
> will always be a distinction between them just because of
> the history of 081/071.
No, Sipgate, along with other providers, provide 020 numbers. If people
can't get their heads round that it isn't my problem, nor is it
Sipgate's..!
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Mark Adamson" <fliblebibble@adamsonfdfgdf.com> wrote in
> message news:dibe3v$qq3$1@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk
>
> [snip]
>
>> Ironically sipgate sort of disagree with you Ivor,
>> because they only provide 020 7 numbers and not 020 8.
>> Despite them officially having the same area code there
>> will always be a distinction between them just because of
>> the history of 081/071.
>
> No, Sipgate, along with other providers, provide 020 numbers. If people
> can't get their heads round that it isn't my problem, nor is it
> Sipgate's..!
>
> Ivor
>
How is the statement "Sipgate provide 0207 numbers" incoreect?
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Sparks" <this@is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4349a3fd$0$38038$bed64819@news.gradwell.net
>
> [snip]
>
>> How is the statement "Sipgate provide 0207 numbers"
>> incoreect?
>
> Because there is no such thing as an 0207 number.
Yes there is, there is no such area code as 0207, but that is not what I
said was it, I simply stated Sipgate provide telephone numbers in the 0207
range.
If I had said, "Do Sipgate provide nubers in the 0207 area code" then that
would have been incorrect.
I could also say "Sipgate provide 0207043 or 011429981 or 012348184 numbers"
"Sparks" <this@is.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3qton7Fgh31vU1@individual.net...
> >
> >
> > "Sparks" <this@is.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:4349a3fd$0$38038$bed64819@news.gradwell.net
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > How is the statement "Sipgate provide 0207 numbers"
> > > incoreect?
> >
> > Because there is no such thing as an 0207 number.
>
> Yes there is
No there isn't.
I can go on like this all day (pulls up comfy chair and coffee/sandwiches
<g>)
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:34:42 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
> No, Sipgate, along with other providers, provide 020 numbers. If people
> can't get their heads round that it isn't my problem, nor is it
> Sipgate's..!
Yes it is, people expect you to have an 020 8 number living in an 020 8
area, so you end up having to explain every time that , yes this is your
home number, no it isn't your work number etc etc etc.
Creating hassle for your customers it not a good business idea.
"Steve Peake" <spam@puppet-head.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5sr6z81mmwgn.8vd9ayr504q9$.dlg@40tude.net
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:34:42 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
> > No, Sipgate, along with other providers, provide 020
> > numbers. If people can't get their heads round that it
> > isn't my problem, nor is it Sipgate's..!
>
> Yes it is, people expect you to have an 020 8 number
> living in an 020 8 area, so you end up having to explain
> every time that , yes this is your home number, no it
> isn't your work number etc etc etc.
>
> Creating hassle for your customers it not a good business
> idea.
As the London code is 020, you have to dial the same thing to call
anywhere, i.e. the 8 digit local number. What digit it starts with is
irrelevant; new numbers starting with 3 are or will be in use soon, these
can be anywhere in London.
In message of Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Steve Peake writes
>On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:34:42 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>> No, Sipgate, along with other providers, provide 020 numbers. If people
>> can't get their heads round that it isn't my problem, nor is it
>> Sipgate's..!
>
>Yes it is, people expect you to have an 020 8 number living in an 020 8
>area,
There is no such thing as an 020 8 area. London numbers beginning with
3, 7, or 8 can be anywhere in London. Just because the original change
over referred to two different areas existing at the time doesn't mean
that it is still confined to those areas - it isn't.
He didn't ask about the area code, did he?
So -- there is a 0207 number. But the area code is still 020.
But now it's completely off topic.
I recommend you to use www.babble.net. You can have your
own telephone number for £10 (setup fee).
I think it would be something like 02071011xxx
The company is located in London, I think so...
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 02:34:37 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> > No there isn't.
> If there isn't then why do companies publish this
> information on the net such has this and this is only one
> of many I have found in the last five minutes
> ............................... .
> ************************************************** ********
> Telephone; UK 0207 254 7772. From abroad 0044 207 254
> 7772.
> Fax: UK 0207 503 2416. From abroad 0044 207 503 2416
> ************************************************** ********
> Are they deliberately misleading their customers so has
> not to get any business.if this is the case then it seems
> a funny way to run a business if you ask me .
I don't think they are *deliberately* misleading people, they are probably
just completely clueless about how numbers should be presented. I have
seen signs over shops like this also.
Londoners have been used to 7 digit local numbers for years, ever since
director working came in in the 50's, for example when I lived there in
the 60's our number was CREscent xxxx (I won't give the full number, it's
still in use by the present occupier..!) which later became 01-550 xxxx
and then 081-550 xxxx before finally becoming 020 8550 xxxx.
The problem is, it's taking some peoplea long time to realise that they
now have 8 digit local numbers. I've seen the same in Coventry, which is
now 024 76xx xxxx instead of the 6 digit numbers they are used to. I often
see numbers written as 02476 xxxxxx. I wonder how many of them try
dialling just the last 6 digits..?!
Of course dialling the whole number including the prefix will always work,
and people are used to doing this from mobiles, so maybe this is the way
forward, but it seems silly to dial 11 digits when 8 will do. I believe
France and some other countries already have all figure dialling from all
phones.
Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>Because there is no such thing as an 0207 number.
>>Yes there is
>No there isn't.
London numbers are now of the form (020) 7xxx xxxx [anywhere in London]
(020) 8xxx xxxx [anywhere in London]
(020) 3xxx xxxx [anywhere in London]
If dialling from outside London the (020) area code is essential
(ditto from cell-phones) but if dialling locally from within London
only the last eight digits need to be dialled.
Historic Note:
In the last century 071 & 081 (later 0171 & 0181) were used
for inner and outer London respectively.
The 21st Century has been with us for a while now
but it seems a few folk are pretending not to notice.
"In many respect it may not be an idea to go back to the
19th century"
There were NO STD codes in the nineteenth century (1801 thru 1900
inclusive). The telephone was invented in the 1870s. All switching in
those days was manual.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]
> And here is the number of the MET 0207 1580010 has given
> out by BT directory enquiries , if this format is good
> enough for the MET and BT it sure is good enough for me .
Try dialling just the last 7 digits when you're in London.
"David Floyd" <david@floyd.org.uk> wrote in message
news:NUFBzYPkYjSDFwW0@127.0.0.1
> In message of Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Steve Peake writes
> > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:34:42 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
> >
> > > No, Sipgate, along with other providers, provide 020
> > > numbers. If people can't get their heads round that
> > > it isn't my problem, nor is it Sipgate's..!
> >
> > Yes it is, people expect you to have an 020 8 number
> > living in an 020 8 area,
>
> There is no such thing as an 020 8 area. London numbers
> beginning with 3, 7, or 8 can be anywhere in London.
> Just because the original change over referred to two
> different areas existing at the time doesn't mean that it
> is still confined to those areas - it isn't.
Indeed it isn't, I am at present over 100 miles from London but my 020
number works fine <g>
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2p9lk1l7g0oed2rsrf8q3lbbk6fnucjp59@4ax.com
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:29:48 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> > Indeed it isn't, I am at present over 100 miles from
> > London but my 020 number works fine <g>
> Well your London 0207 number was working fine the other
> day when I called you .
Indeed, but you're dialling the full number from outside London. Try
dialling just the last 7 from within London. This is what incorrect
formatting implies.
<Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:p4blk19tmdfe7ct4sq36vvib6gto04ij2s@4ax.com
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:55:44 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Indeed, but you're dialling the full number from
> > outside London. Try dialling just the last 7 from
> > within London. This is what incorrect formatting
> > implies.
> But why should the rest of the UK population concern
> themselves with people who live in London they should
> know what they need to dial to call another London number
But they obviously don't, and need to be educated..! Incorrect formatting
isn't helping anybody.
> I know what you are getting at Ivor but it just does not
> matter to those of us who live outside London 0207 will
> do end of story .
But the formatting should not be different for those inside or outside of
London. The adverts you mentioned with the incorrectly formatted numbers
might be seen by people anywhere. They might then think they can dial the
last 7 digits only when they *are* in London.
"Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mark Adamson wrote:
>> Ironically sipgate sort of disagree with you Ivor, because they only
>> provide
>> 020 7 numbers and not 020 8. Despite them officially having the same area
>> code there will always be a distinction between them just because of the
>> history of 081/071.
>>
>> So, it seems silly to pe picky when somebody puts 0207 as the description
>> of
>> a category of numbers, which they clearly are, even if only because of
>> history and not because of any system in place now.
>
> I think I'll start writing my number[1] as 02072 221234, then, if it's
> all the same to you. I mean, why be picky when the nubmer "still
> works"[2], right?
>
> Except Tuesdays, when it will be 02 0722 21234.
>
>
> [1] Not actually my number, used as an example.
> [2] For definitions of still work, i.e. national dialling only.
Did you read my post? My point was that there is a reason why 0207 and 0208
can be considered valid categories, even if they are not the actual area
code. its like people still separate the pairs of 4 digits, despite that no
longer being a strict exchange location (ie people still write 020 8445
1111, even though 8445 no longer strictly means 'hillside').
>> > No there isn't.
>> If there isn't then why do companies publish this
>> information on the net such has this and this is only one
>> of many I have found in the last five minutes
>> ............................... .
>> ************************************************** ********
>> Telephone; UK 0207 254 7772. From abroad 0044 207 254
>> 7772.
>> Fax: UK 0207 503 2416. From abroad 0044 207 503 2416
>> ************************************************** ********
>> Are they deliberately misleading their customers so has
>> not to get any business.if this is the case then it seems
>> a funny way to run a business if you ask me .
>
I should probably make clear that despite my earlier post, these companies
are writing their number incorrectly and this is leading to the confusion
which there is, however, I hold my original point.
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