My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
And which cables & ends do I need?
Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable, but the ATA is
only 10Mbps is this a problem?
"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
> short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
> other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
> cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
> better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
> cables & ends do I need?
Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically see
the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever. Otherwise it doesn't really make a
lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5 ethernet
cable is 100m.
> Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
> but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
>> short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
>> other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
>> cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
>> better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
>> cables & ends do I need?
>
>Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically see
>the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever.
Now you mention it I suppose it might be better to leave the ATA with
the router for that purpose, but not that important. What cable would
I need to go from ATA to phone, it has the clear plastic connections
like on the handsets, as opposed to the ordinary telephone extension
leads.
> Otherwise it doesn't really make a
>lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5 ethernet
>cable is 100m.
>
>> Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
>> but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
>
>No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:5gk99qF3fktlhU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
> > My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
> > short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
> > other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
> > cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
> > better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
> > cables & ends do I need?
>
> Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically
see
> the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever. Otherwise it doesn't really
make a
> lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5
ethernet
> cable is 100m.
>
> > Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
> > but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
>
> No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
>
> Ivor
>
>
>
To clarify the last query, pretty well all routers do 100Mb or 10Mb -
some do 1Gb - but if there is a mixture both sides will work at the
lowest common speed. In this case your router that is <capable> of
100Mb will self-set to 10Mb to match the ATA - which as Ivor says is
more than fast enough for speech!
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:21:40 GMT, "harrogate3" <nospam3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
>"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5gk99qF3fktlhU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
>> > My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
>> > short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
>> > other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
>> > cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
>> > better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
>> > cables & ends do I need?
>>
>> Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically
>see
>> the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever. Otherwise it doesn't really
>make a
>> lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5
>ethernet
>> cable is 100m.
>>
>> > Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
>> > but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
>>
>> No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
>>
>> Ivor
>>
>>
>>
>
>To clarify the last query, pretty well all routers do 100Mb or 10Mb -
>some do 1Gb - but if there is a mixture both sides will work at the
>lowest common speed. In this case your router that is <capable> of
>100Mb will self-set to 10Mb to match the ATA - which as Ivor says is
>more than fast enough for speech!
It has four ports in use, three showing as 100 Mbps and the ATA
showing as 10Mbps. I presume each is handled individually, ie it wont
drag the 100Mbps connections down?
Brian wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:11:02 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
>>> short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
>>> other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
>>> cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
>>> better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
>>> cables & ends do I need?
>>
>> Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically
>> see the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever.
>
> Now you mention it I suppose it might be better to leave the ATA with
> the router for that purpose, but not that important. What cable would
> I need to go from ATA to phone, it has the clear plastic connections
> like on the handsets, as opposed to the ordinary telephone extension
> leads.
>
The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master socket. Chop off one end
and wire the inner two pins to the master socket A/B (2/5).
I have some 10 metre RJ11 - RJ11 leads for sale.
£3 inc P&P each.
>> Otherwise it doesn't really make a
>> lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5 ethernet
>> cable is 100m.
>>
>>> Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
>>> but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
>>
>> No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
>
> Great.
Brian wrote:
> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
> length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
> What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
> ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
> And which cables & ends do I need?
Hi Brian,
Have you not considered getting a DECT phone(s)
You can pick up a base station plus multiple handsets for very little
these days.
That way you just plug the base station into the ATA you don't even
need to put a phone on the carrier so don't need easy access to it,
plus, these days, many handsets give full answer machine capabillities
from the hand set rather than having to play messages from the base station.
A holder/charger plugged into any convienient mans socket is far less
messy than running a wire round the room and being restricted by a wired
hand-set.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:34:01 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Brian wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:11:02 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
>>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
>>>> short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
>>>> other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
>>>> cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
>>>> better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
>>>> cables & ends do I need?
>>>
>>> Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically
>>> see the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever.
>>
>> Now you mention it I suppose it might be better to leave the ATA with
>> the router for that purpose, but not that important. What cable would
>> I need to go from ATA to phone, it has the clear plastic connections
>> like on the handsets, as opposed to the ordinary telephone extension
>> leads.
>>
>
>The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>
>You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master socket. Chop off one end
>and wire the inner two pins to the master socket A/B (2/5).
Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version of the cable
supplied?
>I have some 10 metre RJ11 - RJ11 leads for sale.
>
>£3 inc P&P each.
>
>
>>> Otherwise it doesn't really make a
>>> lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5 ethernet
>>> cable is 100m.
>>>
>>>> Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
>>>> but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
>>>
>>> No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
>>
>> Great.
>Brian wrote:
>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
>> length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
>> What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
>> ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
>> And which cables & ends do I need?
>
>Hi Brian,
>Have you not considered getting a DECT phone(s)
>You can pick up a base station plus multiple handsets for very little
>these days.
>That way you just plug the base station into the ATA you don't even
>need to put a phone on the carrier so don't need easy access to it,
>plus, these days, many handsets give full answer machine capabillities
>from the hand set rather than having to play messages from the base station.
>
>A holder/charger plugged into any convienient mans socket is far less
>messy than running a wire round the room and being restricted by a wired
>hand-set.
>
>Worth a look IMHO.
Thanks Pete,
Got enough *waves* running around as it is, don't want any more ;-(
Brian wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:34:01 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
> <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Brian wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:11:02 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
>>>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
>>>>> short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
>>>>> other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
>>>>> cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
>>>>> better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
>>>>> cables & ends do I need?
>>>>
>>>> Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically
>>>> see the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever.
>>>
>>> Now you mention it I suppose it might be better to leave the ATA
>>> with the router for that purpose, but not that important. What
>>> cable would I need to go from ATA to phone, it has the clear
>>> plastic connections like on the handsets, as opposed to the
>>> ordinary telephone extension leads.
>>>
>>
>> The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>
> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>
>>
>> You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master socket. Chop off
>> one end and wire the inner two pins to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>
> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version of the cable
> supplied?
>
How is your phone connected to the PAP2 at the moment?
Is it a RJ11 to BABT socket and then the phone connected to that?
Or is it RJ11 from the PAP2 to an RJ11 on the phone itself?
The problem you have RJ11 from PAP2 to RJ11 direct to phone is that in the
UK various ways or wiring the RJ11 are using, instead of the usual standard.
You could plug RJ11 to RJ11 and see if it works, if not then it's going to
be a case of swaping some of the wires around the phone end.
Some designed for UK use only phones don't have a ring capacitor built-in,
hence some phones require a master socket (or with ATAs the RJ11 to BABT
adapter with ring capacitor). Though not usually an issue with DECT phones
unless they have decided to leave the ring capacitor out in the base station
and is a base station the usually rings too.
>> I have some 10 metre RJ11 - RJ11 leads for sale.
>>
>> £3 inc P&P each.
>>
>>
>>>> Otherwise it doesn't really make a
>>>> lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5
>>>> ethernet cable is 100m.
>>>>
>>>>> Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
>>>>> but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
>>>>
>>>> No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
>>>
>>> Great.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:57:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Brian wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:34:01 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>> <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Brian wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:11:02 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>>>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:96r9a39mojvg95ju80gjlagp6allmnenei@4ax.com
>>>>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the
>>>>>> short cable length, but I really need the phone over the
>>>>>> other side of the room. What's the best way to extend the
>>>>>> cable, is it the Ethernet cable ATA/Router or would it be
>>>>>> better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone? And which
>>>>>> cables & ends do I need?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really, It depends on whether you want to be able to physically
>>>>> see the ATA to watch any LED's or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Now you mention it I suppose it might be better to leave the ATA
>>>> with the router for that purpose, but not that important. What
>>>> cable would I need to go from ATA to phone, it has the clear
>>>> plastic connections like on the handsets, as opposed to the
>>>> ordinary telephone extension leads.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>>
>> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>>
>>>
>>> You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master socket. Chop off
>>> one end and wire the inner two pins to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>>
>> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version of the cable
>> supplied?
>>
>
>How is your phone connected to the PAP2 at the moment?
RJ11 plug from line one of ATA to RJ11 plug connected to back of
phone.
>
>Is it a RJ11 to BABT socket and then the phone connected to that?
>
>Or is it RJ11 from the PAP2 to an RJ11 on the phone itself?
>
>The problem you have RJ11 from PAP2 to RJ11 direct to phone is that in the
>UK various ways or wiring the RJ11 are using, instead of the usual standard.
>
>You could plug RJ11 to RJ11 and see if it works, if not then it's going to
>be a case of swaping some of the wires around the phone end.
>
>Some designed for UK use only phones don't have a ring capacitor built-in,
>hence some phones require a master socket (or with ATAs the RJ11 to BABT
>adapter with ring capacitor). Though not usually an issue with DECT phones
>unless they have decided to leave the ring capacitor out in the base station
>and is a base station the usually rings too.
>
>
>>> I have some 10 metre RJ11 - RJ11 leads for sale.
>>>
>>> £3 inc P&P each.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Otherwise it doesn't really make a
>>>>> lot of difference. Bear in mind the maximum length of a Cat5
>>>>> ethernet cable is 100m.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whilst I'm here, my Netgear router is 100Mbps capable,
>>>>>> but the ATA is only 10Mbps is this a problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, 10Mbps is plenty fast enough for a phone call ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Great.
>
Brian wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:57:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you mention it I suppose it might be better to leave the ATA
>>>>> with the router for that purpose, but not that important. What
>>>>> cable would I need to go from ATA to phone, it has the clear
>>>>> plastic connections like on the handsets, as opposed to the
>>>>> ordinary telephone extension leads.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>>>
>>> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master socket. Chop off
>>>> one end and wire the inner two pins to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>>>
>>> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version of the
>>> cable supplied?
>>>
>>
>> How is your phone connected to the PAP2 at the moment?
>
> RJ11 plug from line one of ATA to RJ11 plug connected to back of
> phone.
>
The RJ11 leads I have are the standard straight through version.
"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:bpt9a3lh714p8l0birtduthdi8bvspt0uh@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:38:32 +0100, "Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
> <gymratz@biggassmusclebuildingshop.gym> wrote:
>
>>Brian wrote:
>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
>>> length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
>>> What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
>>> ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
>>> And which cables & ends do I need?
>>
>>Hi Brian,
>>Have you not considered getting a DECT phone(s)
>>You can pick up a base station plus multiple handsets for very little
>>these days.
>>That way you just plug the base station into the ATA you don't even
>>need to put a phone on the carrier so don't need easy access to it,
>>plus, these days, many handsets give full answer machine capabillities
>>from the hand set rather than having to play messages from the base
>>station.
>>
>>A holder/charger plugged into any convienient mans socket is far less
>>messy than running a wire round the room and being restricted by a wired
>>hand-set.
>>
>>Worth a look IMHO.
>
> Thanks Pete,
>
> Got enough *waves* running around as it is, don't want any more ;-(
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:44:32 +0100, "Graham" <me@privacy.com> wrote:
>
>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:bpt9a3lh714p8l0birtduthdi8bvspt0uh@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:38:32 +0100, "Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
>> <gymratz@biggassmusclebuildingshop.gym> wrote:
>>
>>>Brian wrote:
>>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
>>>> length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
>>>> What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
>>>> ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
>>>> And which cables & ends do I need?
>>>
>>>Hi Brian,
>>>Have you not considered getting a DECT phone(s)
>>>You can pick up a base station plus multiple handsets for very little
>>>these days.
>>>That way you just plug the base station into the ATA you don't even
>>>need to put a phone on the carrier so don't need easy access to it,
>>>plus, these days, many handsets give full answer machine capabillities
>>>from the hand set rather than having to play messages from the base
>>>station.
>>>
>>>A holder/charger plugged into any convienient mans socket is far less
>>>messy than running a wire round the room and being restricted by a wired
>>>hand-set.
>>>
>>>Worth a look IMHO.
>>
>> Thanks Pete,
>>
>> Got enough *waves* running around as it is, don't want any more ;-(
>
>So you and Lenny have already been introduced?
No. My partner had a brain tumor many years ago, and whenever she used
a cordless phone she developed an even worse headache then she usually
suffered. So if in doubt, leave it out.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:12:37 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Brian wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:57:29 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you mention it I suppose it might be better to leave the ATA
>>>>>> with the router for that purpose, but not that important. What
>>>>>> cable would I need to go from ATA to phone, it has the clear
>>>>>> plastic connections like on the handsets, as opposed to the
>>>>>> ordinary telephone extension leads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>>>>
>>>> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master socket. Chop off
>>>>> one end and wire the inner two pins to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>>>>
>>>> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version of the
>>>> cable supplied?
>>>>
>>>
>>> How is your phone connected to the PAP2 at the moment?
>>
>> RJ11 plug from line one of ATA to RJ11 plug connected to back of
>> phone.
>>
>
>The RJ11 leads I have are the standard straight through version.
>
>You'll need to check how your RJ11 lead is wired.
Looking at this lead it looks like there are two wires red/green, and
if I place the two plugs side by side, with the fitting tab at the top
on both, the wires are in opposite sides, so I presume crossed over?
"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:sv4aa3llrvhu0o8pr0rrcj9196e5jb0irp@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:44:32 +0100, "Graham" <me@privacy.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:bpt9a3lh714p8l0birtduthdi8bvspt0uh@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:38:32 +0100, "Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
>>> <gymratz@biggassmusclebuildingshop.gym> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Brian wrote:
>>>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
>>>>> length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
>>>>> What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
>>>>> ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
>>>>> And which cables & ends do I need?
>>>>
>>>>Hi Brian,
>>>>Have you not considered getting a DECT phone(s)
>>>>You can pick up a base station plus multiple handsets for very little
>>>>these days.
>>>>That way you just plug the base station into the ATA you don't even
>>>>need to put a phone on the carrier so don't need easy access to it,
>>>>plus, these days, many handsets give full answer machine capabillities
>>>>from the hand set rather than having to play messages from the base
>>>>station.
>>>>
>>>>A holder/charger plugged into any convienient mans socket is far less
>>>>messy than running a wire round the room and being restricted by a wired
>>>>hand-set.
>>>>
>>>>Worth a look IMHO.
>>>
>>> Thanks Pete,
>>>
>>> Got enough *waves* running around as it is, don't want any more ;-(
>>
>>So you and Lenny have already been introduced?
>
> No. My partner had a brain tumor many years ago, and whenever she used
> a cordless phone she developed an even worse headache then she usually
> suffered. So if in doubt, leave it out.
Don't you feel instinctively that if (a big if) a few mW of non-ionising
radiation
was harmful, it would cause chronic rather than acute symptoms?
I don't doubt that using a phone makes her perceived symptoms worse,
but I *very* much doubt its caused by the radiation.
Notwithstanding that, I do understand why you would rather avoid them.
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:15:37 +0100, "Graham" <me@privacy.com> wrote:
>
>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:sv4aa3llrvhu0o8pr0rrcj9196e5jb0irp@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:44:32 +0100, "Graham" <me@privacy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>news:bpt9a3lh714p8l0birtduthdi8bvspt0uh@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:38:32 +0100, "Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
>>>> <gymratz@biggassmusclebuildingshop.gym> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Brian wrote:
>>>>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
>>>>>> length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
>>>>>> What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
>>>>>> ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
>>>>>> And which cables & ends do I need?
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Brian,
>>>>>Have you not considered getting a DECT phone(s)
>>>>>You can pick up a base station plus multiple handsets for very little
>>>>>these days.
>>>>>That way you just plug the base station into the ATA you don't even
>>>>>need to put a phone on the carrier so don't need easy access to it,
>>>>>plus, these days, many handsets give full answer machine capabillities
>>>>>from the hand set rather than having to play messages from the base
>>>>>station.
>>>>>
>>>>>A holder/charger plugged into any convienient mans socket is far less
>>>>>messy than running a wire round the room and being restricted by a wired
>>>>>hand-set.
>>>>>
>>>>>Worth a look IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Pete,
>>>>
>>>> Got enough *waves* running around as it is, don't want any more ;-(
>>>
>>>So you and Lenny have already been introduced?
>>
>> No. My partner had a brain tumor many years ago, and whenever she used
>> a cordless phone she developed an even worse headache then she usually
>> suffered. So if in doubt, leave it out.
>
>Don't you feel instinctively that if (a big if) a few mW of non-ionising
>radiation
>was harmful, it would cause chronic rather than acute symptoms?
>I don't doubt that using a phone makes her perceived symptoms worse,
>but I *very* much doubt its caused by the radiation.
>Notwithstanding that, I do understand why you would rather avoid them.
I can only tell it like it is. Using cordless phones caused her
problems, this was long before the fuss about radio waves as well,
before mobiles even.
As a curiosity, mobiles don't appear to have the same effect apart
from the heat.
"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:34:01 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
> <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> > The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>
> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
Maybe (see below).
> > You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master
> > socket. Chop off one end and wire the inner two pins
> > to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>
> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version
> of the cable supplied?
Because not all phones will ring on just two wires. Some require the
capacitor in the master socket.
"harrogate3" <nospam3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> To clarify the last query, pretty well all routers do
> 100Mb or 10Mb - some do 1Gb - but if there is a mixture
> both sides will work at the lowest common speed. In this
> case your router that is <capable> of 100Mb will self-set
> to 10Mb to match the ATA - which as Ivor says is more
> than fast enough for speech!
I have a couple of Sipuras (1001 & 2000) plugged into one of the switches
on my network. The rest of the network runs at 100 but the links from the
switch to the Sipuras are at 10. That's why you should use a switch and
not a plain hub.
"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:21:40 GMT, "harrogate3"
> <nospam3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
[snip]
> > To clarify the last query, pretty well all routers do
> > 100Mb or 10Mb - some do 1Gb - but if there is a mixture
> > both sides will work at the lowest common speed. In
> > this case your router that is <capable> of 100Mb will
> > self-set to 10Mb to match the ATA - which as Ivor says
> > is more than fast enough for speech!
>
> It has four ports in use, three showing as 100 Mbps and
> the ATA showing as 10Mbps. I presume each is handled
> individually, ie it wont drag the 100Mbps connections
> down?
>"Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:fkt9a35n5otca93oiecqpup5ndi2ttvv1d@4ax.com
>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:34:01 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>> <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> > The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>>
>> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>
>Maybe (see below).
>
>> > You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master
>> > socket. Chop off one end and wire the inner two pins
>> > to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>>
>> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version
>> of the cable supplied?
>
>Because not all phones will ring on just two wires. Some require the
>capacitor in the master socket.
The cable that came with the PAP2T to connect it to the back of a
phone is a two core into RJ11 plugs, and it looks like the wires are
crossed over as each end is different.
I have just disconnected the wire from my old ADSL modem, which is a
four wire with RJ11 on both ends, and this seems to work fine for
incoming and outgoing, although the wiring looks like it is straight
through!
Brian wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:15:37 +0100, "Graham" <me@privacy.com> wrote:
>
>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:sv4aa3llrvhu0o8pr0rrcj9196e5jb0irp@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:44:32 +0100, "Graham" <me@privacy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:bpt9a3lh714p8l0birtduthdi8bvspt0uh@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:38:32 +0100, "Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
>>>>> <gymratz@biggassmusclebuildingshop.gym> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian wrote:
>>>>>>> My PAP2T needs to be quite close to my router due to the short cable
>>>>>>> length, but I really need the phone over the other side of the room.
>>>>>>> What's the best way to extend the cable, is it the Ethernet cable
>>>>>>> ATA/Router or would it be better to extend the phone cable ATA/Phone?
>>>>>>> And which cables & ends do I need?
>>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>> Have you not considered getting a DECT phone(s)
>>>>>> You can pick up a base station plus multiple handsets for very little
>>>>>> these days.
>>>>>> That way you just plug the base station into the ATA you don't even
>>>>>> need to put a phone on the carrier so don't need easy access to it,
>>>>>> plus, these days, many handsets give full answer machine capabillities
>>>>> >from the hand set rather than having to play messages from the base
>>>>>> station.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A holder/charger plugged into any convienient mans socket is far less
>>>>>> messy than running a wire round the room and being restricted by a wired
>>>>>> hand-set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worth a look IMHO.
>>>>> Thanks Pete,
>>>>>
>>>>> Got enough *waves* running around as it is, don't want any more ;-(
>>>> So you and Lenny have already been introduced?
>>> No. My partner had a brain tumor many years ago, and whenever she used
>>> a cordless phone she developed an even worse headache then she usually
>>> suffered. So if in doubt, leave it out.
>> Don't you feel instinctively that if (a big if) a few mW of non-ionising
>> radiation
>> was harmful, it would cause chronic rather than acute symptoms?
>> I don't doubt that using a phone makes her perceived symptoms worse,
>> but I *very* much doubt its caused by the radiation.
>> Notwithstanding that, I do understand why you would rather avoid them.
>
> I can only tell it like it is. Using cordless phones caused her
> problems, this was long before the fuss about radio waves as well,
> before mobiles even.
>
> As a curiosity, mobiles don't appear to have the same effect apart
> from the heat.
I use a DECT set with a corded headset and my mobile with a corded
headset. Placing a radio transmitter next to your head is never a good
idea no matter how low the power. These days its hard to get away from
radio signals and minimising ones exposure is the best you can do.
Brian wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:30:50 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:fkt9a35n5otca93oiecqpup5ndi2ttvv1d@4ax.com
>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:34:01 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>> <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>> The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>>>
>>> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>>
>> Maybe (see below).
>>
>>>> You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master
>>>> socket. Chop off one end and wire the inner two pins
>>>> to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>>>
>>> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version
>>> of the cable supplied?
>>
>> Because not all phones will ring on just two wires. Some require the
>> capacitor in the master socket.
>
> The cable that came with the PAP2T to connect it to the back of a
> phone is a two core into RJ11 plugs, and it looks like the wires are
> crossed over as each end is different.
> I have just disconnected the wire from my old ADSL modem, which is a
> four wire with RJ11 on both ends, and this seems to work fine for
> incoming and outgoing, although the wiring looks like it is straight
> through!
Yeah, as long as the middle 2 pins connect to the middle 2 pins the other
end and the phone itself uses the middle 2 pins all should be fine. (Though
ideally you don't normally crossover the A-B line, more important on 'real'
lines).
The problem is when the phone doesn't use the inner two pins.
Your phone seems to be using the inner 2 pins as standard.
> I use a DECT set with a corded headset and my mobile with a corded headset.
> Placing a radio transmitter next to your head is never a good idea no matter
> how low the power. These days its hard to get away from radio signals and
> minimising ones exposure is the best you can do.
.....and shoving the aerial in your lughole does that, how?
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:26:25 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
<bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Brian wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:30:50 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>> <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "Brian" <rates11@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fkt9a35n5otca93oiecqpup5ndi2ttvv1d@4ax.com
>>>> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:34:01 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>>>> <bhx___spam@trapped___hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> The PAP2's use RJ11 sockets / leads.
>>>>
>>>> So an RJ11 plug both ends will do it?
>>>
>>> Maybe (see below).
>>>
>>>>> You could buy an RJ11 lead and buy a BABT master
>>>>> socket. Chop off one end and wire the inner two pins
>>>>> to the master socket A/B (2/5).
>>>>
>>>> Why not just an RJ11 plug both ends, and extended version
>>>> of the cable supplied?
>>>
>>> Because not all phones will ring on just two wires. Some require the
>>> capacitor in the master socket.
>>
>> The cable that came with the PAP2T to connect it to the back of a
>> phone is a two core into RJ11 plugs, and it looks like the wires are
>> crossed over as each end is different.
>> I have just disconnected the wire from my old ADSL modem, which is a
>> four wire with RJ11 on both ends, and this seems to work fine for
>> incoming and outgoing, although the wiring looks like it is straight
>> through!
>
>
>
>Yeah, as long as the middle 2 pins connect to the middle 2 pins the other
>end and the phone itself uses the middle 2 pins all should be fine. (Though
>ideally you don't normally crossover the A-B line, more important on 'real'
>lines).
>
>The problem is when the phone doesn't use the inner two pins.
>
>Your phone seems to be using the inner 2 pins as standard.
Yes, but the cable that came with the ATA is crossover, whereas the
ADSL cable wasn't! Beats the hell out of me.
"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
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> Desk Rabbit was thinking very hard :
>
> > I use a DECT set with a corded headset and my mobile
> > with a corded headset. Placing a radio transmitter next
> > to your head is never a good idea no matter how low the
> > power.
Why not..? What *hard immutable EVIDENCE (not conjecture) do you have to
back this up..? Are you related to Lenny on uk.telecom.broadband..?
> These days its hard to get away from radio
> > signals and minimising ones exposure is the best you
> > can do.
You can't. RF of one form or another is everywhere on the planet. There
are other things far more dangerous, such as direct sunlight.
> ....and shoving the aerial in your lughole does that, how?
In message <WNCdnUYgTIuETDjbnZ2dnUVZ8qfinZ2d@pipex.net>
Desk Rabbit <nospam@example.com> wrote:
> I use a DECT set with a corded headset and my mobile with a corded
> headset. Placing a radio transmitter next to your head is never a good
> idea no matter how low the power. These days its hard to get away from
> radio signals and minimising ones exposure is the best you can do.
It's been hard to get away from high power radio signals for
something like 80 years now.
I remember years ago having to visit some people near Crystal
Palace to cure a TV interference problem. The replay preamp
of their cassette recorder was being completely overloaded by
the TV signal from... yes, just look out of their window, and
there was a huge mast with a very high power transmitter right
underneath. But they suffered no health problems; because, in
those days, no-one had suggested to them that they should.
"Dave Higton" <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> In message <WNCdnUYgTIuETDjbnZ2dnUVZ8qfinZ2d@pipex.net>
> Desk Rabbit <nospam@example.com> wrote:
>
> > I use a DECT set with a corded headset and my mobile with a corded
> > headset. Placing a radio transmitter next to your head is never a
good
> > idea no matter how low the power. These days its hard to get away
from
> > radio signals and minimising ones exposure is the best you can do.
>
> It's been hard to get away from high power radio signals for
> something like 80 years now.
>
> I remember years ago having to visit some people near Crystal
> Palace to cure a TV interference problem. The replay preamp
> of their cassette recorder was being completely overloaded by
> the TV signal from... yes, just look out of their window, and
> there was a huge mast with a very high power transmitter right
> underneath. But they suffered no health problems; because, in
> those days, no-one had suggested to them that they should.
>
> Dave
>
No-one here ever seems to have seen the free space path loss formula.
The loss in dB is
36 + 20(log frequency in MHz) + 20(log distance in miles)
The formula is the same for Km but replace 36 with 32.5
Start at 1Km from the mast (easier for the maths) and work on the
basis of the received signal power doubling for every time the
distance reduces to a quarter of the previous. Also assume the mast
antenna to have 5 degree downtilt.
Thus at the (60m or so) ground-strike point for a 15m mast the signal
loss will be in excess of 90dB, or 10E9. For a 100W cellular mast (few
are anything like as high as that) that indicates an arriving signal
of 0.1uW or less. Put that against 4mW as the lowest transmitter power
of a mobile phone at the side of your head....................
Jono wrote:
> Desk Rabbit was thinking very hard :
>
>> I use a DECT set with a corded headset and my mobile with a corded
>> headset. Placing a radio transmitter next to your head is never a good
>> idea no matter how low the power. These days its hard to get away from
>> radio signals and minimising ones exposure is the best you can do.
>
> ....and shoving the aerial in your lughole does that, how?
>
>
Are you suggesting that a *corded* earpiece acts as a transmitter aerial?
Loving VOIP on my ATA, but which cables? 