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Old 02-02-2012, 12:10 AM
www.GymRatZ.co.uk
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Default One for Gordon Re: 0845 vs Geo. number.

After many years of using Voipfone for incoming 0845 number and 0117 9
numbers for our shop, I finally put the brilliant voipfone call logs
into action and downloaded the incoming call records for January 2012 to
see which was the more popular number.
The Following page http://www.gymratz.co.uk/
Shows where one would have a choice of either number and is the most
influential point of contact as it's on every page on the site
(currently at over 1300 pages I think)

Other significant point of note are that if we have to leave an answer
message on customers voicemail we typically leave the 0845 86 86 888
number as it's easy to remember when spoken blocked as above. However I
have caller I.D. set to 01179 118139 as it's more likely to be answered
than CID of an 0845 so again customer has a greater push to the Geo.
number for calling back of subsequent calls.

B.T. number is listed in ever declining circles, even yell.com now lets
me put the voipfone GEO number but still has it's (small) share of calls
not forming part of this analasys.
http://www.yell.com/b/Gym+Ratz-Fitne...891/index.html

January was a busy month. voipfone call records show 323 calls (having
taken out personal calls)
0845 8686888 recieved 181 calls
01179 118 139 took 142 calls.
Mobile callers numbered 113 with the rest being GEO, International and anon.

Proving clearly that an 0845 number for £1.99 a month is well worth
running alongside a Geographic number. The more memorable the better
though I'd suggest.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:00 AM
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Default Re: One for Gordon Re: 0845 vs Geo. number.

On 02/02/2012 01:10, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

>
> January was a busy month. voipfone call records show 323 calls (having
> taken out personal calls)
> 0845 8686888 recieved 181 calls
> 01179 118 139 took 142 calls.
> Mobile callers numbered 113 with the rest being GEO, International and anon.
>
> Proving clearly that an 0845 number for £1.99 a month is well worth
> running alongside a Geographic number. The more memorable the better
> though I'd suggest.


That doesn't prove anything at all! What evidence do you have that you
would have received fewer calls if everyone had had to use the Geo number?

And I wonder how many of your callers actually realised that (unless
they had a calling plan which included 0845) it was actually costing
them an arm and a leg to call you with that number rather than with the
Geo number.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:38 AM
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Default Re: One for Gordon Re: 0845 vs Geo. number.

On 02/02/2012 10:00, Roger Mills wrote:

> That doesn't prove anything at all! What evidence do you have that you
> would have received fewer calls if everyone had had to use the Geo number?


It does, it proves that more than 50% of incoming calls are by an
old-style 0845 number given the choice of either.

> And I wonder how many of your callers actually realised that (unless
> they had a calling plan which included 0845) it was actually costing
> them an arm and a leg to call you with that number rather than with the
> Geo number.


An "arm and a leg" !
First calling plan I check is Orange "Dolphin" whatever that is.
"standard UK landlines 25p/min"
"calls to 0845 12p/min"

Next one I check Vodaphone mobile
"Calls to any Vodafone UK mobile, standard UK landline (starting 01,02
or 03) and UK voicemail 35p a minute"
"Non-geographic numbers starting 0845, 0870 14p a minute (one minute
minimum call charge)"

B.T.
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...umbers-free%3F
"When are calls to 0845 and 0870 numbers "free"?

Telephone numbers starting with 0845 and 0870 are classed as
'non-geographic' numbers. They're different to 'geographic' numbers,
which are landlines tied to a particular location. 0845 and 0870 numbers
are usually used by large companies, banks and other businesses. Calls
to 0845 and 0870 numbers are free at certain times from your BT landline
- depending on which calling plan you're on."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009...omers-premium-

Best of both worlds. Anyone that doesn't bother to check their calling
plan and use the apropriate number when both are clearly displayed
that's entirely up to them, but given the far higher than expected
percent of callers using the 0845 number it seems most callers actually
do have a clue or really just aren't bothered, but at least we're giving
them the cheapest option either way.

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Old 02-02-2012, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: One for Gordon Re: 0845 vs Geo. number.


"www.GymRatZ.co.uk" <nobody@nowhere.cot> wrote in message
news:4f2a679a$0$2475$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> On 02/02/2012 10:00, Roger Mills wrote:
>
>> That doesn't prove anything at all! What evidence do you have that you
>> would have received fewer calls if everyone had had to use the Geo
>> number?

>
> It does, it proves that more than 50% of incoming calls are by an
> old-style 0845 number given the choice of either.
>
>> And I wonder how many of your callers actually realised that (unless
>> they had a calling plan which included 0845) it was actually costing
>> them an arm and a leg to call you with that number rather than with the
>> Geo number.

>
> An "arm and a leg" !


Well a lot more than calling a geographic.

Mobile

On most contract mobiles calls to geographic will be included, but 0945 will
not and will cost substantially MORE than calling geographic numbers.

Landline

Calls to geographic numbers can be routed by other carriers for ~1p per
minute with no pick up charge. You can do better than BT's rates for calls
to 0845 numbers (usually during the day), but they still cost lots more than
geographic numbers apart from the odd concession (like BT allows some calls
in it all inclusive package).



PS Why don't you admit you are actively selling this?



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Old 02-02-2012, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: One for Gordon Re: 0845 vs Geo. number.

In article <4f29e2ad$0$2501$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>,
www.GymRatZ.co.uk <nobody@nowhere.cot> wrote:
>After many years of using Voipfone for incoming 0845 number and 0117 9
>numbers for our shop, I finally put the brilliant voipfone call logs
>into action and downloaded the incoming call records for January 2012 to
>see which was the more popular number.
>The Following page http://www.gymratz.co.uk/
>Shows where one would have a choice of either number and is the most
>influential point of contact as it's on every page on the site
>(currently at over 1300 pages I think)
>
>Other significant point of note are that if we have to leave an answer
>message on customers voicemail we typically leave the 0845 86 86 888
>number as it's easy to remember when spoken blocked as above. However I
>have caller I.D. set to 01179 118139 as it's more likely to be answered
>than CID of an 0845 so again customer has a greater push to the Geo.
>number for calling back of subsequent calls.
>
>B.T. number is listed in ever declining circles, even yell.com now lets
>me put the voipfone GEO number but still has it's (small) share of calls
>not forming part of this analasys.
>http://www.yell.com/b/Gym+Ratz-Fitne...891/index.html
>
>January was a busy month. voipfone call records show 323 calls (having
>taken out personal calls)
>0845 8686888 recieved 181 calls
>01179 118 139 took 142 calls.
>Mobile callers numbered 113 with the rest being GEO, International and anon.
>
>Proving clearly that an 0845 number for £1.99 a month is well worth
>running alongside a Geographic number. The more memorable the better
>though I'd suggest.


er, me? Not sure what I can add into it.

Personally, I don't like 0845/0844/0871 numbers - I feel there just a
bit old fashioned - however they can have their place - e.g. I recently
got involved with a charity who were looking for a way to fund a new
national phone system and an 0844 number costing the punter 10p a minute
at standard BT rates for a max. call duration of 10 minutes was one of
the proposals - the kick-back from the number would have financed their
system (and more, however)

But it then means that the punters calling it would be helping to
run the service... Which for a charity for what it is might have been
OK.

Things I really object to are things like doctors and dentists where
punters don't have a choice - then you have to pay through the nose
for some of the calls - and that's (in my experience) because they
have been mis-sold the numbers on the pretence of them being more
univerally accepted or some other nonsense like call waiting, queueing,
making life easier for the receptionist and so on - while all the time,
they're charging the doctors through the nose for the priveledge of
having off-site call handling and creaming the revenue return off the
poor people calling in!!!

For your 0845 number - you're actually paying for the priveledge of
having it - which I chuckle at as the number owners (er, Magrathea,
although you're presumably buying it via a reseller like me) get a
kickback on every call placed through it. So they win twice, once from
you and once from the network :)

Also I have the choice and if I were buying the kit you sell, I'd
personally buy from the one who didn't have an 0845 number, but that's
my choice. When I don't have the choice, then I feel it's unfair.

So people are probably dialling the 0845 because it's a memorable number
without thinking. Most people probably don't realise it's a revenue
generating number (for someone). A lot of home calling plans now include
calls to 0845 (or some of them), but not calls to 0844, etc.

You can get memorable geographic numbers though, but they do cost more -
depending on who you buy them from - e.g. I recently got a customer a
number ending in 1111 - that cost them over £500..

Your 0117 911 8139 number is also via Magrathea FWIW.

(I love the numbering range Magrathea has for Bristol 911 ... A lot of
people simply don't believe it - especially the younger folks who think
that 911 calls the emergency services, sadly)

Gordon

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Old 02-02-2012, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: One for Gordon Re: 0845 vs Geo. number.

Gordon Henderson wrote:

> Personally, I don't like 0845/0844/0871 numbers


Me neither, first thing I do whenever I need to call one is search
saynoto0870 etc for a geographic alternative ...

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Old 02-02-2012, 04:04 PM
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On 02/02/2012 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
> Gordon Henderson wrote:
>
>> Personally, I don't like 0845/0844/0871 numbers

>
> Me neither, first thing I do whenever I need to call one is search
> saynoto0870 etc for a geographic alternative ...


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Old 02-02-2012, 04:11 PM
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On 02/02/2012 13:32, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> PS Why don't you admit you are actively selling this?


I'm not "actively selling it"
For me £23 a year for a number that is a hell of a lot cheaper for PAYG
mobiles is a customer benefit don't you think?. Personally I top-up my
mobile phone by £20 every 6 or 9 months and the same for my partners
PAYG phone (perhaps £20 a year on hers). So even if it was just for our
own personal use it pays for it's worth it. No one is forced into using
a more expensive rate and we're not profiteering from it. Plus as we're
a "National" company it fits the profile. We don't "pay" for any part of
the call nor do we get a payment throw-back.
I really don't like being forced to call a non-geo number which is why
both are side by side on the web site. Likewise now I know that calling
a Geo. number from my mobile is TWICE as expensive as calling an 0845
(which I wasn't aware of until this morning) I'd call an 0845 every time.
It's still an extra "service" for anyone with half a brain to decide
which number is more cost effective to call.
At least this thread MIGHT prompt PAYG mobile users into checking how
much they are being ripped off by calling a Geographical number rather
than an 0845 alternative.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:35 PM
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On 02/02/2012 10:38, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
> On 02/02/2012 10:00, Roger Mills wrote:
>
>> That doesn't prove anything at all! What evidence do you have that you
>> would have received fewer calls if everyone had had to use the Geo number?

>
> It does, it proves that more than 50% of incoming calls are by an
> old-style 0845 number given the choice of either.
>
>> And I wonder how many of your callers actually realised that (unless
>> they had a calling plan which included 0845) it was actually costing
>> them an arm and a leg to call you with that number rather than with the
>> Geo number.

>
> An "arm and a leg" !
> First calling plan I check is Orange "Dolphin" whatever that is.
> "standard UK landlines 25p/min"
> "calls to 0845 12p/min"
>
> Next one I check Vodaphone mobile
> "Calls to any Vodafone UK mobile, standard UK landline (starting 01,02
> or 03) and UK voicemail 35p a minute"
> "Non-geographic numbers starting 0845, 0870 14p a minute (one minute
> minimum call charge)"
>


But those are both mobiles! I'm interested in the cost of calling from a
landline - for which I use either voip.co.uk or 18866.

Calls via 18866 to an 01/02/03 number cost 5p per *call* regardless of
duration. Calls to an 0845 number cost 4ppm plus a 5p setup fee in the
daytime.

Calls via voip.co.uk cost 1.6ppm with no setup fee to 01/02/03 or 5ppm
plus a 5p setup fee to 0845.

Maybe "an arm and a leg" is a slight exaggeration, but the difference
mounts up if you make a lot of calls to 0845 numbers.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:46 PM
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Roger Mills (for it is he) wrote:

> the difference mounts up if you make a lot of calls to 0845 numbers.


....so we should be thankful to Mr Ratz for actively offering a choice of
numbers, rather than having one hunt for it on a third party's website.

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Old 02-02-2012, 09:13 PM
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In article <jgeg46$djq$1@dont-email.me>,
www.GymRatZ.co.uk <nobody@nowere.into> wrote:

>At least this thread MIGHT prompt PAYG mobile users into checking how
>much they are being ripped off by calling a Geographical number rather
>than an 0845 alternative.


Have you considered the use of an 03 number? They are the same to call
from mobiles and landlines and should be included in inclusive minutes
from them too.

Gordon

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Old 02-03-2012, 12:07 AM
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Gordon Henderson wrote:

> Have you considered the use of an 03 number? They are the same to call
> from mobiles and landlines and should be included in inclusive minutes
> from them too.


And IIRC, all 03xx numbers are reserved for use by the corresponding
08xx owner?

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Old 02-03-2012, 09:23 AM
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Andy Burns <usenet.aug2009@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
> And IIRC, all 03xx numbers are reserved for use by the corresponding
> 08xx owner?


The reserved blocks are 0370, 0371, and 0345, mapped 1:1 from 0870, 0871,
and 0845, respectively. (So if you already had 0845 123 4567 then 0345
123 4567 would be reserved for you.)

http://www.windsor-telecom.co.uk/03-...on-numbers.php

Chris

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Old 02-03-2012, 10:31 AM
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Chris Davies wrote:

> The reserved blocks are 0370, 0371, and 0345, mapped 1:1 from 0870, 0871,
> and 0845, respectively. (So if you already had 0845 123 4567 then 0345
> 123 4567 would be reserved for you.)
>
> http://www.windsor-telecom.co.uk/03-...on-numbers.php


I had a <shudder> for a moment there, thought it might be Wnzrf Jvafbne


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Old 02-03-2012, 12:48 PM
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Andy Burns <usenet.aug2009@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote:
> I had a <shudder> for a moment there, thought it might be Wnzrf Jvafbne


Puleeze !!! :-(
Chris

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Old 02-07-2012, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: One for Gordon Re: 0845 vs Geo. number.

In article <9ovtvtF36vU1@mid.individual.net>, watt.tyler@gmail.com
says...
>
> On 02/02/2012 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
> > Gordon Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> Personally, I don't like 0845/0844/0871 numbers

> >
> > Me neither, first thing I do whenever I need to call one is search
> > saynoto0870 etc for a geographic alternative ...

>
> +1


+1 here too

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