On May 12, 4:33*pm, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> <voiptal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:17037739-f4c9-4251-b1b1-280c0d99a2e5@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 11 May, 21:46, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If anyone would like to take part in a field test, wander over
> > tohttp://www.resources.org.uk/cybuerke/and just leave your sip addy.
>
> **
> Any chance of adding a text field to that form for additional info
> like best time to call or other relevant notes?
>
> **
> Excellent wheeze, but that would infer some kind of organisational method on
> my part. *Not knowing if the phone will arrive when promised, or indeed
> whether some calamity might interfere with my own plans, I'd rather not
> commit myself too much.
Fair enough. Just thought that as you'd gone to all the effort of
setting up a form that already has 2 text fields, it wouldn't be too
much to add another. I'm sure you'll understand I'd rather not post
personal details to the group. Never mind.
The phone arrived just before mid-day as promised. The packaging was
excellent, the outer box being over twice the length of the display box
containing the gubbins. Not a dent or a crease to be seen, so kudos to
Sipgate and UPS. Just to knock the Teutonic efficiency a little bit
though - my phone number was displayed on the outer box for the benefit of
the courier, but it was in international format with a '49' country code.
("Nein, nein, zer iz no Herr Cybuerke at zis nummer".)
According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but
inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a 24
hour charge had been applied. Not a big problem in itself, but I'm
wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have
something to do with this? There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead
that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains plug)
at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself. The
euro plug felt very hot after a few minutes, so I'll be checking on that.
I've parked a smoke detector and a dry powder extinguisher nearby just in
case. (Wotdya mean, paranoid?)
One more thing. I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get
past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted, it
looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part. I'll see if I
can scrounge one to try.
On May 14, 2:20*pm, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but
> inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a 24
> hour charge had been applied. *Not a big problem in itself, but I'm
> wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have
> something to do with this?
Maybe.
> There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead
> that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains plug)
> at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.
The usb lead is one way to charge the phone but not recommended. See
this site: http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php?t=140439 where
they say:
""Don't charge with the USB cable, or be careful not to overcharge the
battery.""
Oh and that link above is the page with instructions on firmware to
set up to 5 SIP profiles - which I mentioned earlier in the thread.
> One more thing. *I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get
> past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted, it
> looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part. *I'll see ifI
> can scrounge one to try.
EH? The WAP part has nowt to do with the VOIP configuration. WAP CAN
be used via the WLAN connection without a SIM. One of ours doesn't
have a SIM card in it.... That said WAP surfing is pretty dire on this
display, but not something we use, so not an issue here....
Or did you mean the WEP security settings part of a WLAN connection?
<voiptalker@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 14, 2:20 pm, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but
> inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a
> 24
> hour charge had been applied. Not a big problem in itself, but I'm
> wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have
> something to do with this?
Maybe.
> There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead
> that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains
> plug)
> at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.
The usb lead is one way to charge the phone but not recommended. See
this site: http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthread.php?t=140439 where
they say:
""Don't charge with the USB cable, or be careful not to overcharge the
battery.""
****
The proverbial rock and hard place then - damned if I do and damned if I
don't.
****
Oh and that link above is the page with instructions on firmware to
set up to 5 SIP profiles - which I mentioned earlier in the thread.
****
Didn't mention this before, but there's a mini CD enclosed with a firmware
upgrade on it. It's not available just now, but I'll look out the version
no. later.
****
> One more thing. I'm not yet ready to put in a SIM card, but I can't get
> past the WAP configuration part of the menu, so until a sim is inserted,
> it
> looks as though I won't be able to configure the voip part. I'll see if I
> can scrounge one to try.
EH? The WAP part has nowt to do with the VOIP configuration. WAP CAN
be used via the WLAN connection without a SIM. One of ours doesn't
have a SIM card in it.... That said WAP surfing is pretty dire on this
display, but not something we use, so not an issue here....
Or did you mean the WEP security settings part of a WLAN connection?
****
My mistook - the battery showed up as being fully charged within an hour,
and only then was I able to enter the VOIP Settings. I've now got it
configured for Sipgate because those nice people in Dusseldorf published a
web page with the settings laid out a la Janet and John.
On May 14, 7:01*pm, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> <voiptal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cfed5275-a6be-425a-b0e3-db1a753232bb@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 14, 2:20 pm, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > According to the manual, the battery should go on charge for 8 hours, but
> > inside the box was a Sipgate flyer forbidding me to use the phone until a
> > 24
> > hour charge had been applied. Not a big problem in itself, but I'm
> > wondering whether the reports of the battery being rubbish might have
> > something to do with this?
>
> Maybe.
>
> > There is no charging cradle, just a usb lead
> > that plugs into a euro mains plug (that in turn plugs into a UK mains
> > plug)
> > at one end, and a baby usb connector that goes into the phone itself.
>
> The usb lead is one way to charge the phone but not recommended. See
> this site:http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/showthr...?t=140439where
> they say:
> ""Don't charge with the USB cable, or be careful not to overcharge the
> battery.""
>
> ****
> The proverbial rock and hard place then - damned if I do and damned if I
> don't.
I'm quite surprised it doesn't come supplied with a cradle. Maybe the
euro mains plug you mention has some kind of "limiter" to protect
against overcharging?
The bit I quoted above refers to, I think, charging with just a normal
USB lead (normal USB plug one end and a mini USB the other end)
connected to a computer. Always handy for a quick charge if you're out
at a friend's or the office and you done have the normal charger
cradle with you.
EDIT: Having just written the above, I decide to take the cradle apart
to see what is inside. See this pic: http://redy.net/voiptalker/DCP03869.JPG
As you can see there is a small circuit board inside the cradle -
maybe this is what stops overcharging?
<voiptalker@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The bit I quoted above refers to, I think, charging with just a normal
USB lead (normal USB plug one end and a mini USB the other end)
connected to a computer. Always handy for a quick charge if you're out
at a friend's or the office and you done have the normal charger
cradle with you.
EDIT: Having just written the above, I decide to take the cradle apart
to see what is inside. See this pic: http://redy.net/voiptalker/DCP03869.JPG
As you can see there is a small circuit board inside the cradle -
maybe this is what stops overcharging?
As you say - rock and fireplace syndrome
****
It looks as though we have the same kind of 2 pin euro plug, which looks to
be larger than is necessary for connecting two wires to two pins. Maybe
there's some kind of resistor in that to control the power supply? (Note to
the uninitiated in the ways of sparkery here - I could be talking complete
cods at this point, so pay no attention.)
Any road up - I intend to leave it on charge for 24 hours as per the
destructions, and if I'm not left with a pile of melted plastic by noon
tomorrow, that'll be a bonus.
In news:g0fca3$1l3l$1@energise.enta.net,
cybuerke <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
[snip]
: It looks as though we have the same kind of 2 pin euro plug, which
: looks to be larger than is necessary for connecting two wires to two
: pins. Maybe there's some kind of resistor in that to control the
: power supply? (Note to the uninitiated in the ways of sparkery here
: - I could be talking complete cods at this point, so pay no
: attention.)
:
: Any road up - I intend to leave it on charge for 24 hours as per the
: destructions, and if I'm not left with a pile of melted plastic by
: noon tomorrow, that'll be a bonus.
I wouldn't worry too much, plug-top PSU's often get rather warm, I've had
a few that you could hardly touch, but I'm still here ;-)
I'll hopefully be in until noon if you have a working phone to call..!
Just taken the plunge and ordered one so we'll see how it goes......
"Ivor Jones" <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't worry too much, plug-top PSU's often get rather warm, I've had
> a few that you could hardly touch, but I'm still here ;-)
>
> I'll hopefully be in until noon if you have a working phone to call..!
> Just taken the plunge and ordered one so we'll see how it goes......
>
>
> Ivor
The 24 hours charge seems to have been OK. The euro plug didn't become any
hotter than it was after the first few minutes.
I did notice that the battery level indicator showed a full charge very
early on, but while I was faffing about with the settings this morning, it
reverted back to showing a 'charging' status. I pulled the plug anyway
after the 24 hours was up, and it showed a full charge on battery power. It
still does after an hour and a half of setting and resetting the voip
connection from Sipgate to Voxalot where I've got 5 different accounts to
play around with. You wouldn't believe how many different status and echo
tests you can make if you really put your mind to it. Not to mention the
'Tellme' service news, sports and weather updates from the states! It
performed well through all this, and even when the signal strength was only
2 bars out of 6, strength and clarity was very good.
What I thought was a firmware upgrade on a mini cd actually turned out to be
a 'utility' programme. I think the idea is to configure the phone from the
computer, but although the proggy installed ok on Windows XP and the phone
shows up correctly on the task bar, I get a box popping up asking for the
handset number, which at the moment I don't have a clue where to find. When
I feel the need, I'll look for it.
On May 15, 1:28*pm, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> What I thought was a firmware upgrade on a mini cd actually turned out to be
> a 'utility' programme. *I think the idea is to configure the phone from the
> computer, but although the proggy installed ok on Windows XP and the phone
> shows up correctly on the task bar, I get a box popping up asking for the
> handset number, which at the moment I don't have a clue where to find. *When
> I feel the need, I'll look for it.
The utility program is what you need to upgrade firmware, download
hpotos off the phone, etc.
The phone code by default is 4 zeros - 0000 to connect via the utility
<voiptalker@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The utility program is what you need to upgrade firmware, download
hpotos off the phone, etc.
The phone code by default is 4 zeros - 0000 to connect via the utility
--
Ah - righty ho, thanks for that.
One more thing. I lost wireless signal on wifi a couple of times this
afternoon, even though I was almost on top of the router. Have you had
probs with this? Or perhaps I may have been covering the antenna with my
hand. Would you know if that lives behind the little holes that are
alongside the camera?
"cybuerke" <cybuerke@PLMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> One more thing. I lost wireless signal on wifi a couple of times this
> afternoon, even though I was almost on top of the router. Have you had
> probs with this? Or perhaps I may have been covering the antenna with my
> hand.
Happened again last night, and this time I was able to track it down to a
failed WPA passphrase handshake with the router.
I've really got far too much hanging off this router. Four eth. ports +
four wireless connections including this phone. Summats gonna have to go...
On May 16, 10:54*am, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> I've really got far too much hanging off this router. *Four eth. ports +
> four wireless connections including this phone. *Summats gonna have to go...
Doesn't sound that much to me. We have 4 ethernet, 1 USB and 5
wireless connections to our router here with no issues of that
type.... Don't know what router you use, but I thought most of the
newish ones (at least 5 years or so) can handle up to 254 connections.
<voiptalker@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 16, 10:54 am, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> I've really got far too much hanging off this router. Four eth. ports +
> four wireless connections including this phone. Summats gonna have to
> go...
Doesn't sound that much to me. We have 4 ethernet, 1 USB and 5
wireless connections to our router here with no issues of that
type.... Don't know what router you use, but I thought most of the
newish ones (at least 5 years or so) can handle up to 254 connections.
--
Well, it's a Belkin (love 'em or hate 'em) F5D8630. I do get the occasional
blip on the network front. Can more or less rule out the cabling to the
exchange as that was renewed a couple of years back. The internals are
good - filtered face plate and a very short run to the modem/router. New
Cat 5e cables.
When I run Wireshark, the scrolling of traffic is frightening. I mean, I
know that electronic switching is done at the speed of light, but Gordon
Bennett, it's an almighty blur. And you're saying it can handle 254
connections? Blimey.
On May 16, 12:44*pm, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
> <voiptal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:179fd0a7-e170-4025-8457-9dbf854136f4@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 16, 10:54 am, "cybuerke" <cybue...@PLMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've really got far too much hanging off this router. Four eth. ports +
> > four wireless connections including this phone. Summats gonna have to
> > go...
>
> Doesn't sound that much to me. We have 4 ethernet, 1 USB and 5
> wireless connections to our router here with no issues of that
> type.... Don't know what router you use, but I thought most of the
> newish ones (at least 5 years or so) can handle up to 254 connections.
>
> --
>
> Well, it's a Belkin (love 'em or hate 'em) F5D8630. *I do get the occasional
> blip on the network front. *Can more or less rule out the cabling to the
> exchange as that was renewed a couple of years back. *The internals are
> good - filtered face plate and a very short run to the modem/router. *New
> Cat 5e cables.
>
> When I run Wireshark, the scrolling of traffic is frightening. *I mean, I
> know that electronic switching is done at the speed of light, but Gordon
> Bennett, it's an almighty blur. *And you're saying it can handle 254
> connections? *Blimey.
Well, I assumed that most modern routers could handle "loads" of
connections. Can't find confirmation right now, but I believe the
Speedtouch 780wl can handle 254 connections and it's hardly the
highest spec piece of kit around..
Cybuerke:
>Happened again last night, and this time I was able to track it down to a
>failed WPA passphrase handshake with the router.
Little while ago I asked Zyxel if they going to provide firmware update with
WPA/2 for their WiFi phone.
The answer was: No, the WPA regular handshake cuts of the phone connection.
On the other hand the Senao has WPA, as do mobile / WiFi / VoIP phones.
So what is the full SP ?
Regards,
Martin
"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
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> Cybuerke:
>>Happened again last night, and this time I was able to track it down to a
>>failed WPA passphrase handshake with the router.
>
> Little while ago I asked Zyxel if they going to provide firmware update
> with WPA/2 for their WiFi phone.
> The answer was: No, the WPA regular handshake cuts of the phone
> connection.
>
> On the other hand the Senao has WPA, as do mobile / WiFi / VoIP phones.
> So what is the full SP ?
> Regards,
> Martin
Can't find an answer anywhere about this. Maybe it's one of those things
that 'just happens'. I had a series of dropped connections yesterday - not
all on account of the phone though. All wireless was dropped at one point,
although the wired connections were still up. At another time everything
went, and not even a power cycle of the modem restored it. I don't think
it's owt to do with the ISP or BT as nothing's been reported. I know a lot
of ISPs will lie through their teeth, but the Entanet crowd are up front
with their problems, so I tend to trust them.
Anyway I pulled what I didn't need off the network, so I'm left with a
wired PC and the Pirelli, and everything's been sweet over night. I'll just
leave it as is today and see what occurs.
>
> Anyway I pulled what I didn't need off the network, so I'm left with a wired
> PC and the Pirelli, and everything's been sweet over night. I'll just leave
> it as is today and see what occurs.
Mine arrived yesterday & is now fully charged.
It took all of 2 minutes to set the wifi up & connect it to my Asterisk
server as an extension.
Very pleased with it.....except for one thing:
For anyone else reading this, there's no Bluetooth support.
In news:mn.a4b97d854997d9a1.88534@blueyonder.invalid,
Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: cybuerke expressed precisely :
:
: >
: > Anyway I pulled what I didn't need off the network, so I'm left
: > with a wired PC and the Pirelli, and everything's been sweet over
: > night. I'll just leave it as is today and see what occurs.
:
:
: Mine arrived yesterday & is now fully charged.
:
: It took all of 2 minutes to set the wifi up & connect it to my
: Asterisk server as an extension.
:
: Very pleased with it.....except for one thing:
:
: For anyone else reading this, there's no Bluetooth support.
Or infrared, but for the price, very good. All I need now is DECT
support..!
Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like my Nokia
and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the dictionary.
On 20 May, 20:50, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>
> Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like my Nokia
> and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the dictionary.
>
> Ivor
I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
user-defined words?), just some spelling rules
In news:97b5eec5-7e35-4532-8527-984db2aebe61@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
andy <andy.ggrps@googlemail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
reason:
: On 20 May, 20:50, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
: >
: > Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like
: > my Nokia and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the
: > dictionary.
: >
: > Ivor
:
: I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
: user-defined words?), just some spelling rules
Yes, my Nokia 6310i has a user dictionary that stores words you add that
it didn't previously know. However there must be a base dictionary for
common words or how would it know what spelling rules are..?
But with the Pirelli I can't seem to add words to the user defined list,
if indeed it has one. It decides that my mate's name Colin is in fact
"Bolivia" and won't let me select any alternatives or add the name Colin
manually.
On 20 May, 23:43, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> Innews:97b5eec5-7e35-4532-8527-984db2aebe61@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
> andy <andy.gg...@googlemail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> :
> : I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
> : user-defined words?), just some spelling rules
>
> Yes, my Nokia 6310i has a user dictionary that stores words you add that
> it didn't previously know. However there must be a base dictionary for
> common words or how would it know what spelling rules are..?
>
I don't know how it works, maybe only in groups of 4 or 5 letters, but
in a bored moment, you might start a new game by doodling in a few
words like kohlabbalvsfalllllty or wadouioubabacbali or klinkabdoteidu
or even copy down the word in the image that Google now wants me to
enter to post on here ...
On 21 May, 10:38, mym...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 23:43:31 +0100, "Ivor Jones"
>
> <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> >But with the Pirelli I can't seem to add words to the user defined list,
> >if indeed it has one. It decides that my mate's name Colin is in fact
> >"Bolivia" and won't let me select any alternatives or add the name Colin
> >manually.
>
> So Ivor has you have said in another posting "Or infrared, but for the
> price, very good." may be but had you paid the asking price elsewhere
> for these phones I wonder if you would be saying the same ? .
> Personally the more I read what others have to say about them
> including yourself the more I am thinking they are a load of crap
> considering the asking price elsewhere. *
no reason to assume that, maybe just superseded models at clearance
prices
You might also find the UT Starcom F1000G for £40, Siemens S450IP for
£50
maybe they don't have the latest features, but I didn't notice anyone
saying those 2 are junk
{{{{{Welcome}}}}} wrote:
> In news:97b5eec5-7e35-4532-8527-984db2aebe61@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
> andy <andy.ggrps@googlemail.com> typed, for some strange, unexplained
> reason:
> : On 20 May, 20:50, "Ivor Jones" <i...@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
> : >
> : > Oh, I don't like the way the predictive text works, it's not like
> : > my Nokia and there doesn't seem an easy way to add words to the
> : > dictionary.
> : >
> : > Ivor
> :
> : I'm not sure that predictive text has a dictionary (unless only for
> : user-defined words?), just some spelling rules
>
> Yes, my Nokia 6310i has a user dictionary that stores words you add that
> it didn't previously know. However there must be a base dictionary for
> common words or how would it know what spelling rules are..?
>
> But with the Pirelli I can't seem to add words to the user defined list,
> if indeed it has one. It decides that my mate's name Colin is in fact
> "Bolivia" and won't let me select any alternatives or add the name Colin
> manually.
>
> Ivor
>
I've been having a spot of bother with mine.
I managed to set it up at home and it works fine (including registering
with the asterisk server that it is intended for).
This is using an old 3-com dual-band AP.
I can't get it working with the inteded site, I get errors like WPA
negotiation failed. (irrespective of which verion of WPA is used on the
AP and handset).
I am using v3.99d of the handset firmware and at the site the APs are
Linksys WAP54Gs(3.1) running DD-WRT. (i've tried the existing v23 and v24).
The only way that the handsets seem to be able to log into these Access
Points is if it is configured as an open network.
Re: Pirelli DP-L10 phone. 
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